A weekly conversational comedy show where Isaiah and Jon talk about life, popular culture and the constant battle to produce movies in ever-changing Hollywood.
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A weekly conversational comedy show where Isaiah and Jon talk about life, popular culture and the constant battle to produce movies in ever-changing Hollywood.
Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Copyright: © 2018 Mama Bear Studios
Mc Hammer is selling gold... with a gold hammer.
Titanium rings CAN be dangerous // Most jewelers and hospitals apparently don't have the necessary tools to cut them
15:00 // Our intro BS ends and we finally start talking about locations!!
Avengers Infinity War Behind the Scenes Video
Black Narcissus (1947)
This is how "Wild horses" should actually sound
Zeppelin is so damn good //
A Mama Bear Studios Production // Mama Bear Studios’ Website
Produced and edited by: Isaiah Smallman
Executive Producer: Jon Schimpf
Opening music: "The Get Down," Produced by Summer Dregs
Outro music: Composed and Recorded by Tom Paulus and Max Belz
Cover Art by: Nate Giordano
Show Website | ThatWay.fm
Show Twitter | @ThatWayPod
Isaiah’s Twitter (which he never uses)
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Hint: if you want to skip right to the giveaway jump ahead to 17:00 into the episode!
Egg cooker timer thing
Ben and Jerry's "The Tonight Dough,” AKA the greatest ice cream flavor ever conceived by human hands.
Nailed it on Netflix
The Dark Ages on via the Encyclopedia Britannica (NOT wikipedia)
1491: New Revelations of The Americas Before Columbus (on Amazon) // This is basically a textbook, but it will blow your mind nonetheless.
The “Nashville” episode of Drunk History on Hulu.
Miley and Dolly rock out on “Rainbowland”
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The War on Drugs // Here’s the music video for “Pain,” a song from his new album Thinking of a Place. Adam Granduciel, the main creative force behind the band happens to be from Philadelphia, which is also Zay’s home town and right across the river from Jon’s.
“Good artists borrow, great artists steal” - Pablo Picasso (?)
Robert Altman on Wikipedia
Oliver Stone (not Robert Altman) directed Born on the Fourth of Julyin 1989. It stars, guess who? Tommy Cruise himself.
Mumblecore // It’s fine. It’s also not technically a thing. It’s just a sub-genre.
52:00 // We’re launching a new show within a show! It’s called This is What You Should Watch!
Bo Burnham // Amazing young director of Eighth Grade
@DadBoner AKA Karl Welzein // One of the greatest comedy experiments ever done on social media. Here’s his Twitter account.
Here’s the link to the police station castle, which really does look like a castle!!!
Michael Arndt, the patron saint of Mama Bear Studios // Here’s his IMDB. He was nominated for an Oscar for Toy Story 3 (2010) and won the oscar for best original screenplay for Little Miss Sunshine (2006).
Austin Film Festival // Easily one of the best festivals I’ve ever attended (especially for screenwriters). It starts Thursday, October 25, 2018.
The Driskill Hotel, where Michael Arndt bought Zay drinks with his Star Wars money.
1:11:00 // Time for the Mail Bag (subject to change)
“The Fever” // The song that turned Jon into a Bruce Springsteen fan (at least for now)
Squatty Potty // Their video is amazing and informative.
Indonesian bathrooms are a little tricky for westerners
Wes Anderson // Zay’s earliest cinematic influence
FilmGrab // An amazing resource for finding film stills online
This is how Wild Horses, by the Rolling Stones is supposed to sound.
Here’s a link to a full concert of Led Zeppelin Live in 1970. It just doesn’t make sense how powerful and creative these guys were. Also, how do they make that hair look cool?
A Mama Bear Studios Production // Mama Bear Studios’ Website
Produced by: Isaiah Smallman
Edited by: Roger Middenway (rogermiddenway.com)
Executive Producer: Jon Schimpf
Opening music: "The Get Down," Produced by Summer Dregs
Outro music: Composed and Recorded by Tom Paulus and Max Belz
Cover Art by: Nate Giordano
Show Website | ThatWay.fm
Show Twitter | @ThatWayPod
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The Donner Party on Wikipedia
20:00 Zay doesn’t want to make what he doesn't want to make. And yes he realizes how spoiled that makes him.
Walker Percy On Wikipedia // The Second Coming (1980) on Amazon
“How did it happen that now he could see everything so clearly. Something had given him leave to live in the present. Not once in his entire life had he come to rest in the quiet center of himself but had forever cast himself from some dark past he could not remember to a future that did not exist. Not once had he been present for his life. So his life had passed like a dream. Is it possible for people to miss their lives the way one can miss a plane?” - The Second Coming
A Confederacy of Dunces on Wikipedia // By John Kennedy Toole // Buy it on Amazon
Fellini on Wikipedia
48:00 - Isaiah and Jon get real about if they have (thus far) done their lives "right."
Submit your answers to the "did you do life the right way" discussion!
Credits and Personal Links:
A Mama Bear Studios Production // Mama Bear Studios’ Website
Produced and Edited by: Isaiah Smallman
Executive Producer: Jon Schimpf
Opening music: "The Get Down," Produced by Summer Dregs
Outro music: Composed and Recorded by Tom Paulus and Max Belz
Cover Art by: Nate Giordano
Show Website | ThatWay.fm
Show Twitter | @ThatWayPod
Isaiah’s Twitter (which he never uses)
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00:00 // Intro talk. Are we out of topics!? Nope. As Jon’s wife says, “only boring people are bored.”
5:30 jumping into the episode! (We’re talking about Sundance)
Robert Redford is a good looking man.
“Old Man And The Gun” // Watch the trailer
Mr. Show // Watch this episode on YouTube // Feat: David Cross and Bob Odenkirk)
Mitch Hurwitz on IMDB
13:15 Time for the MAIL BAG
Justin Bieber’s pastor (apparently they had a falling out)
Lisa (Left Eye) Lopez // “Don’t Go Chasin’ Waterfalls”
23:20 / That was interesting story add space
24:00 // We solve the age-old question… What was in the head in the box???
28:30 // Steve helps us with the school-arson fact check
Northern district police station PICTURE // Spoiler: it really does look like a castle
39:00 // Back to stories of Sundance!!!
James Schamus on Wikipedia
An exterior picture of our house at Sundance
A picture of the deadly fireplace
Marcus Cox On IMDB
Tangerine // Watch it on Netflix
Credits and Personal Links:
A Mama Bear Studios Production // Mama Bear Studios’ Website
Produced and Edited by: Isaiah Smallman
Executive Producer: Jon Schimpf
Opening music: "The Get Down," Produced by Summer Dregs
Outro music: Composed and Recorded by Tom Paulus and Max Belz
Cover Art by: Nate Giordano
Show Website | ThatWay.fm
Show Twitter | @ThatWayPod
Isaiah’s Twitter (which he never uses)
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00:00 // Jon didn’t actually see the movie. Is it weird that Tom Cruise is a scientologist?
11:30 // Does JJ Abrams have any actual influence over the Mission Impossible Franchise? And does Tom Cruise doing his own stunts have a net positive or net negative impact on the financial health of the series?
Tom Cruise being a complete BAMF and flying a helicopter through a canyon.
16:00 // Award Nominations. The “FACE HOT” Award and the “OH SHIT I'M IN NOW” award.
17:00 // Quick PLOT OVERVIEW for Jon since he didn’t see the movie.
38:00 // Mail Bag:
41:00 // Zay's Big Confession!!
45:30 // A little more Mission Impossible and some Wrap Up
Credits and Personal Links:
A Mama Bear Studios Production // Mama Bear Studios’ Website
Produced and Edited by: Isaiah Smallman
Executive Producer: Jon Schimpf
Outro music: Composed and Recorded by Tom Paulus and Max Belz
Cover Art by: Nate Giordano
Show Website | ThatWay.fm
Show Twitter | @ThatWayPod
Isaiah’s Twitter (which he never uses)
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Watch the Never Goin’ Back Trailer!
Listen to the Never Goin’ Back Soundtrack on Spotify
Lefty Frizzell (Augustine's grandad!) // Check out his wikipedia situation
13:00 // How Do Film Festivals Work? (Specifically how do they schedule screenings?)
19:00 // Greta Zozula DP of Never Goin’ Back AND Rollers!! Check out her on IMDB.
Tarantino’ Editor. Unfortunately she died in 2010. Check her out on IMDB.
Leni Riefenstahl, the Nazi director of Triumph of the Will.
Wagner’s opera, Parsifal
How did we get involved with Never Goin’ Back?
Sailor Bear on IMDB
A Ghost Story // Starring Rooney Mara and Casey Affleck // Watch the trailer
30:00 // Mail Bag (Also write a review by August 27 for a chance to win a free t-Shirt!) You might even get your shirt signed by our former producer, the unnamed cat.
34:00 // What was in the Central Park mystery box?!
36:00 // Adventures with fire.
53:00 // More talk about Never Goin’ Back. Kids will be kids!
A Smattering of "Never Goin' Back" Reviews
Superbad(2007) // Dumb and Dumber(1994)
Credits and Personal Links:
A Mama Bear Studios Production // Mama Bear Studios’ Website
Produced and Edited by: Isaiah Smallman
Executive Producer: Jon Schimpf
Opening music: "The Get Down," Produced by Summer Dregs
Outro music: Composed and Recorded by Tom Paulus and Max Belz
Cover Art by: Nate Giordano
Show Website | ThatWay.fm
Show Twitter | @ThatWayPod
Isaiah’s Twitter (which he never uses)
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0:00 // Opening Conversation
3:20 // Rollers Project Update
Zay attached a casting director!!
8:20 // The search for a great co-producer continues
An amazing documentary about the making of The Shining, made by Stanley Kubrick’s daughter. Watch it on YouTube.
10:00 // New series announcement! Our next episode will be a discussion about a classic movie, Ace In The Hole!
Watch Ace In The Hole and TONS of other stuff on FILMSTRUCK
19:20 // What do producers do contd.
22:45 // Time to answer the mail!
30:30 // How do Executive producers differ from regular producers?
Roger Corman // Wikipedia
Tyler Perry // Main Website
37:00 // When we finally get to talking about exec producers
Hunter Gatherer Executive Producers
40:20 // Wrap up
A Mama Bear Studios Production // Mama Bear Studios’ Website
Produced and Edited by: Isaiah Smallman
Executive Producer: Jon Schimpf
Opening music: "The Get Down," Produced by Summer Dregs
Outro music: Composed and Recorded by Tom Paulus and Max Belz
Cover Art by: Nate Giordano
Show Website | ThatWay.fm
Show Twitter | @ThatWayPod
Isaiah’s Twitter (which he never uses)
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0:00 - 9:00 | Jon and Zay cover Broadway and Jon’s NYC exploits.
9:00 - 33:26 | Zay and Jon cover Zay’s responds to the theoretical haters. What if you’re you’re good enough to make it? What does success look like? What are Zay’s weaknesses as a director? Is there a difference between films and movies? Is it more important to make a critically or financially successful movie? Do you have to choose? How do you cover important issues in movies in a way that has staying power?
33:30 - The Mail Bag (and a little salute to Teddy Bronson)
35:00 - Where do ideas and inspiration come from?
37:05 - 42:10 - Zay recounts his wonderful experience at David Chang’s Restaurant, [Majordomo](https://www.majordomo.la/)
42:10 - 46:15 - Jon and Zay’s Adventures with the homeless (and not-homeless)
46:15 - 57:00 - Project update on Rollers / Zay’s almost got a casting director and he’s talking to producers (and more adventures with the homeless)
59:20 - Zay (who just started playing guitar) plays a horrible cover of “Take Me Home, Country Roads.” This is how the song is supposed to sound.
Rodgers and Hammerstein’s Carousel on Broadway | Website
The Play That Goes Wrong | Website
Hunter Gatherer | Director: Josh Locy
Annihilation| Trailer
Monster Trucks | Trailer
"Friday" Music Video | Side note: the video has 123,120,758 views as of today’s date
A Confederacy of Dunces by John Kennedy Toole | Buy it on Amazon!
“HBO Must Get Bigger and Broader, Says Its New Overseer” | Read it on the New York Times
Barry on HBO | Watch the Trailer
Operation Midnight Climax | This is some crazy shit
Won’t You Be My Neighbor | Watch the Trailer
The David Chang Experience
The Balthazar Cookbook | Buy it on Amazon
An excellent international organization that helps people with mental illness | Website
Harmony Korine | IMDB | Correction: The film is called Fight Harm | Wikipedia
Santa Sangre | IMDB
The Great Comet | Produced by Tara Sickmeier and others
Bruce Springsteen has been married for 27 years | "Bruce Springsteen and Patti Scialfa's Love Story Proves They Were Always Meant to be Together"
A Mama Bear Studios Production // Mama Bear Studios’ Website
Produced and Edited by: Isaiah Smallman
Executive Producer: Jon Schimpf
Opening music: "The Get Down," Produced by Summer Dregs
Outro music: Composed and Recorded by Tom Paulus and Max Belz
Cover Art by: Nate Giordano
Show Website | ThatWay.fm
Show Twitter | @ThatWayPod
Isaiah’s Twitter (which he never uses)
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Great World Cup Dives (Feat. Neymar of Brazil)A list of the best LA Donut ShopsDon’t Think TwiceDir. Mike BirbigliaCasting Dir. Jessica Kelly, Kate GellerWatch the TrailerLady BirdDir. Greta GerwigCasting Dir. Heidi Giffiths, Allison Jones, Jordan ThalerWatch the TrailerDid Stanley Kubrick try to break up Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman's Marriage?“Was ‘Eyes Wide Shut’ merely an elaborate, expensive way for Stanley Kubrick to toy with Tom Cruise?”“Nicole Kidman Admits That Stanley Kubrick Based 'Eyes Wide Shut' On Her Marriage With Tom Cruise”P.S. We have no idea if these articles are legit...PETA Abuse HotlineCharlie Smallman, the new producer of I Guess We’ll Do It That Way and Olive, the runner up. Charlie is the bigger oneDrake’s New Album, ScorpionDrake’s Rant to the haters Which some people say is complete a joke. Who knows.Euro Stepping Explained (Finally)Lance Stephenson, “A garbage pail kid”Lance Stephenson Blows Carbon Dioxide in Lebron’s EarLance vs. Lebron CompilationFollow Nate Drexler on Twitter // @NateDrexPopulation of Iceland: 334,000 Official Rules about World Cup NationalityCredits and Personal Links:A Mama Bear Studios Production // Mama Bear Studios WebsiteProduced and Edited by: Isaiah SmallmanExecutive Producer: Jon SchimpfOpening music: "The Get Down," Produced by Summer DregsOutro music: Composed and Recorded by Tom Paulus and Max BelzCover Art by: Nate GiordanoShow Website | ThatWay.fmShow Twitter | @ThatWayPodJon TwitterIsaiah InstagramIsaiah IMDBIsaiah’s Twitter (which he never uses)Isaiah LinkedInTRANSCRIPT (Probably a mess)so I have to pay is this a a small man you're listening to I guess we'll do it that way podcast right call my buddy John each week to check in on my progress as a direct my first feature film Senate by mama bear studios mama there's mission is to create entertaining works of art that explore he made it alright hears of the so to Hey Johnny mayor living it up in the city my man here in New York are you I am indeed the city that never sleeps the Big Apple the big easy those are not the same places very very different places vague the New York is the least easy place I've ever heard of in my entire life people are meeting New York I mean I love I love New York but they're they're mean they're mean to you of old because they smell my fear they see your weekend they're trying to weed you out of me food that is it is there yeah yeah a works works like a charm how do people respond to you I'm toting around little junior so the reception is always great there like I yes more people that we can corrupt from the young age just impressed you know anytime you see a kid doing something difficult like if you were hiking up a mountain and there were a ten year old next you trying his hardest to do it you be impressed and the same sort of thing happens here in old grizzled New Yorker sees a ten and a six year old hoofing it down the street right and he he says feel some mutual respect for that kid and as soon as I must be a good guy that I bred them to be this way but whatever I wasn't really know is that they're just walking because of the threat of spanks O. so they're terrified I had a I had a real New York moment the other day actually I was crossing the street because I kind of live in the city I mean I I live in the city it's right city it's the city and I was walking to get it done not with my uncle who is visiting %HESITATION LA is big downtown unlike New York that's one major bonus every New York there's not a Dunkin donuts in sight it's all local places that mostly also sell Lotto tickets and %HESITATION you know Chinese food or burgers but their donuts are good these are help homemade doughnuts very delicious homemade donuts I mean kind of in the classic style of a Dunkin donuts they're not like their fancy done it's too button for the most part that the other they're pretty basic pretty basic style raised fried doughnuts and they are bang in how to the top them %HESITATION any any way you want but I'm kind of a classic I like I like glazed I like %HESITATION glaze twist like Bavarian cream with chocolate %HESITATION yeah I'm pretty to I'm a pretty straight straight down the middle guy as long as the quality of the day I was there do you have any apprehension about eating a doughnut and public zero so you get these donuts also you get six doughnuts twelve donuts you'll walk out of Kelly's donut shop Sally's donut shop and there's a bench outside and people are sitting out there in donuts you'll join them you'll sit out there and you'll eat it down out in front of everybody %HESITATION hundred percent you get some custard on your face a little powdered sugar in your beard you're not afraid I was wondering if your worry I was a I was wondering if the root of that question was more that like some some donuts are sort of phallic in shape this says a lot about your personality in your file your private mental life and I'm still kind of working through some repressed feelings apparently towards donuts mainly no I mean the shame of getting sugar and Greece so I get that and I get that %HESITATION I mean it's kind of a car town so you honestly I take my daughter back to my car and eat in the car yeah is there shame involved here I mean usually the first one I feel fine and then once I've gone I've left got on the interstate turned around and come back for the fourth time to get another Donna that's usually when I start feeling some shame you think any director casting director has ever asked an actor to eat a doughnut in front of them just to see how they eat it down at the role requires you eating a doughnut so safe here and the defenses of that not having happened are the same as the chances that someone hasn't climbed a palm tree naked and take any **** from the top in Los Angeles I've done that so there we go out then I think it's pretty safe to say that someone has asked a someone in casting session to you don't have you ever seen someone eat it down and a casting session I've never now I've ever asked I should though but then again if there's a role involves eating it done and I'm casting myself we're here in town I were you I would pay you to get that role how much would you pay me a dollar fifty better rice with down to three Bucks yeah the price of a fancy Dona yeah I think that seems reasonable so last time we talked we were gonna go real quick I want to tell you I want to tell you my New York moment %HESITATION yet hit me so I was walking down the street to go get it done out right now and a guy in a cab which made it even more of a New York minute because there's not that many cabs in LA again handicap I'm crossing the crosswalk heat big dumb dumb pulls away too far on the interstate intersection any start backing up over me and my dogs he literally almost ran me over and I started banging on his hood and I was like dude what are you doing you don't back up in the middle of a crosswalk that's like number one rule of driving everyone knows that anyway it was a pretty classic New York moment there was a guy walking in there that's kind of how did you resolve that situation I was like get your **** together your professional driver and I walked it was just a yellow cab like a typical taxi cab resident who were left yeah yeah I expect this kind of the S. from a left no it was a yellow cab this guy is like supposed to be a true professional I was ticked I think a lot of people in that situation let the car hit them and sue I think I should have done it I coulda made rollers even bigger could be huge right now I should have made sure that my neck was very very staff you have some acting experience so you could really pull this off that was a major missed opportunity could sell a hand this is a bummer I'm gonna go find another cab we sat down and watched a few minutes of the World Cup which is %HESITATION it's excellent soccer and excellent acting I know I feel like you really can't play at that level as you were terrific actor these guys flop rubbing their muscles screaming five minutes later they're kicking goals and I mean it's unreal well and honestly to these guys are so strong I mean eat it took to play at that level for ninety consecutive minutes your muscles are so resilient they they you know I mean they are not going to get hurt that easily but I I mean Hey like this is a game it's not without it's not outside the rules you got to do everything we possibly can to win to take a break to you know get somebody else Yellowcard whatever it's got to be what's funny is that the refs don't put an end to it yeah they reward this behavior feels like they should have a panel up without score cards to put up the for how well that player and then when the film instead of penalty kicks a precisely acting points yeah I like that %HESITATION cool we should pray reintroduce the show because I'm sure everyone's already forgotten about it %HESITATION this is I guess we'll do it that way a show where I I say a call you Johnny there once a week to talk about the making of rollers among many other things as you probably already know John where did we leave off last week who knows it's been an entire week I think we decided that we were going to end up talking today about casting directors which incidentally has already sort of come up that's very true casting directors oh yeah because this week that was kind of the next big big thing for me wall what's happened this I mean honestly if not much is happening as we are now I think this is gonna be recover occurring theme no it actually some stuff started to come together this morning tele minutes minutes before we start recording no I think this is this is probably a good time to address it though that is going to be a recurring theme of this podcast for sure I think we can change that the theme of the theme of things not happening as quickly as I want them to but you're right maybe we can change it you need to change it maybe this will spur you on ten make more content by causing drama you know yeah tell some actors that they got the job in column back in town they didn't get the job who would see some heartache some drama John you should be a producer I like the way you think it's because I sound like Weinstein now earn a you don't sound rape you to sound smart keep manipulative so yeah so basically the casting director %HESITATION I'm not gonna drop any names because she has not attach yourself yet but got a very positive email back we're going back and forth we're kind of talking about you know the size and scope and type of the project and what my expectations are in the woman I'm talking to a super super cool and %HESITATION yeah I hope she hopes she gets excited about the project wants to do it she read it last week so %HESITATION but she's traveling so we're just kinda emailing at this point we might we might end up on the phone later today so I might actually have a more exciting update next week **** hole but I might have had on a promise everybody how did you even get hooked up with this person in the first place that is good question okay you know I started going through a lot of decent sized in the movies that I've liked from the last X. number of years five six three names three names three names of casting directors now of movies all movies okay one that I really like don't think twice he seen that one might perfectly it's about an improv troupe in New York now it's really really good it's okay so part of the reason that was interesting to me is it's very funny but it's very dramatic it's a little dark %HESITATION that is something that I think homely I'm trying to achieve with rollers and so I looked at that I was like boom that movies freaking great who brought all those people together well I'm assuming maker Biglia had a lot to do with it but at the same time I'm sure the casting director had a lot to do with it %HESITATION another one would be labor from last year GC labor now John we gotta get you in more movies and now if John doesn't even like movies %HESITATION herbal I've heard lady bird is good I've heard of Burr Biglia because he'd this is on NPR all the time who are used to be I don't even know that he was one of the city is a really great comedian %HESITATION you should look up the stuff he's he's amazing I'll link to some of his his definition of it's we know Mike listen so Hey Mike Mikey boy he our to our to listeners we are now up to we've got teddy Bronson of Wisconsin and Mikey bored labor big cleo from right here in New York City yeah baby I think does live in New York I think I heard an interview with him or that you want to go track them down I'm already working on it he's probably busy listening to our podcast so you know it's at home he sleep walking around the city mmhm nice reference I like so he but here's the real question so you have a movie you say okay this is of similar size as to what I'm making and you look at the credits and you find the casting director but you said earlier find a casting director who I like and I think most people out there like how would you know if what they did was good or not don't they aren't they really just going out and saying who can we get in our price range for this type of movie and they're just basically selecting the people who say yes I think that's a good yeah that's a really good question I hate I think it probably really depends on the type of project I think it depends on the casting director themselves and yet the people that I started calling it taints your previous question basically what I did is there's a website called IMDb there's a version of I am to be caught I'm DB pro which you know you pay like a very small annual fee and you just get a little bit more information and so some people will include you know contact information for either their company or themselves or whatever's necessary and so when I when I did create this list identify these people and some of them didn't have any information up so I just had to track it down you know by if say they have a name of their company but not %HESITATION you know not actual phone number or an email I would just kind of do some internet research and and find it and you know call them or email them and just say Hey here's the years just the project here's what I've done before is this the kind of thing you'd be interested in talking about and they say yes or no and yes it's kind of hit or miss from there once they're attached to what I actually do what are they actually doing okay well again it okay so that's where it comes into it depends on the project as a casting director in this case what I'm really excited about is finding someone who is going to have great ideas about people that I haven't thought of like Hey there's this actor that is in this show where there's this actor who's in this movie a couple years ago that you may not know and you should really think about that or what if we went to this person who is a little bigger but like we can maybe find a connection to them or hear someone that no one's ever heard of it all but I saw them in this thing and they are incredible let's have them in and talk to them and see if they'd be a fit for the role I think in my mind that's with perfect casting director does and then b…
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