Grow Law Podcast

• Email: info@growlaw.co

• Phone: (312) 854-7724

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How to Be “One Handshake Away” From Everyone in Town — with Morris Lilienthal Nov 12, 2025

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Imagine being so well-connected that you’re one handshake away from knowing everyone in your city. That’s not a fantasy… that’s what Morris Lilienthal built in Huntsville, Alabama! In this episode, Sasha Berson explores how Morris took his law firm from old-school “grin and grip” networking to a modern marketing machine that doubled revenue, and captured 4% of their entire market.

📰 About Morris Lilienthal:

Morris is a partner at Martinson & Beason, a Huntsville-based firm founded in 1937. Over the last 17 years, he’s spearheaded the firm’s marketing evolution — building a database of 10,000+ clients, racking up 500+ Google reviews, hosting his own podcast, The Mo Show Live, while mastering both grassroots and digital strategies.

👉 Sasha and Morris explore:

— Why staying “top-of-mind” beats top-of-Google

— How 10,000 football magnets turned into endless referrals

— The #1 rule that freed Morris from perfectionism with video marketing

— Why lawyers can’t rely on one channel (and what to do instead)

👉 Main Takeaways from the Episode:

— Don’t wait for perfect: 80% done > 0% published

— Build systems early, from client lists to repurposing content

— Stay visible everywhere: social media, community events, email, and even physical mailers

— Diversify your marketing: if one channel dries up, you’re sunk

📞 Connect with Morris Lilienthal:

• Website: https://www.martinsonandbeason.com/attorneys/morris-h-lilienthal/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alabamacaraccidentattorney/

📞 Connect with Sasha Berson:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grow-law/

• Email: info@growlaw.co

• Phone: (312) 854-7724

#LegalMarketing #LawFirmGrowth #BusinessGrowth #LegalIndustryInsights

How to Beat “Goliath” Law Firms In Your Local Market (On a Budget!) — with Ron Latz Nov 05, 2025

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Forget the Yellow Pages. Law firm marketing is now a digital jungle! In this episode, Sasha Berson welcomes Ron Latz, a 15-year legal marketing veteran and the founder of LegalFenix. Ron has worn every hat in the industry, and today, he unpacks how your firm can outsmart big-budget competitors, while prepping for the AI-first future of client acquisition.

📰 About Ron Latz:

Ron Latz is a legal marketing industry veteran with over 15 years of experience. As founder of LegalFenix, he helps law firms scale from $3M to $10M+ in revenue by acting as their vendor-neutral CMO. Unlike most consultants, Ron doesn’t “sell” SEO, PPC, or websites — instead, he gives firms the clarity they need to invest wisely and grow consistently.

👉 Sasha and Ron explore:

— Why today’s client journey is more complex than ever

— How to avoid “shiny object syndrome” in your marketing

— The comeback of newsletters (and why they beat algorithms)

— How small firms can beat big-budget “Goliaths” locally

— What GEO and AI search mean for the future of leads

👉 Main Takeaways from the Episode:

— Audit your marketing spend: cut one channel that isn’t producing ROI.

— Build your referral circle: add 3 local pros (therapist, realtor, CPA) to your network this month.

— Launch or revive a newsletter (email or print) to stay top of mind without fighting algorithms.

— Test your AI visibility: see if ChatGPT or Gemini recommends your firm

📞 Connect with Ron Latz:

• Website: https://legalfenix.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ronlatz

📞 Connect with Sasha Berson:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grow-law/

• Email: info@growlaw.co

• Phone: (312) 854-7724

#LegalMarketing #LawFirmGrowth #BusinessGrowth #LegalIndustryInsights

The $10M Law Firm Blueprint: How One Hire Changed Everything — with Tim Semelroth Oct 29, 2025

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Most law firms never crack $10M. Tim Semelroth did. In this episode, Sasha Berson unpacks how Tim went from college mock trial student to managing partner of a 17-lawyer, multi-office PI firm. Along the way, Tim ran his own PPC and TV ads before making a game-changing hire that scaled RSH Legal into one of Iowa’s top firms.

📰 About Tim Semelroth:

Tim Semelroth is the trail–blazing managing partner of RSH Legal, Iowa’s largest PI firm with 17 attorneys across three offices. A board-certified truck accident lawyer and lifelong trial advocate, Tim turned three “lucky strikes” into game-changing opportunities — streamlining his marketing, building systems, and scaling through acquisitions.

👉 Sasha and Tim explore:

— The three “lucky strikes” that shaped Tim’s career and firm growth

— How hiring a full-time marketing director became a major turning point

— The acquisitions and systems that helped RSH Legal scale past $10M

— How trial lawyers can balance case work with building a business

👉 Main Takeaways from the Episode:

— Stop doing all your own marketing. Identify one task that you can delegate this week.

— Audit your caseload: if trial work is putting marketing on the back burner, it’s time to hire or outsource.

— Build systems that run without you (from intake to marketing) so your firm isn’t capped by your personal bandwidth.

📞 Connect with Tim Semelroth:

• Website: https://www.fightingforfairness.com/

• LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timsemelroth

📞 Connect with Sasha Berson:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grow-law/

• Email: info@growlaw.co

• Phone: (312) 854-7724

#LegalMarketing #LawFirmGrowth #BusinessGrowth #LegalIndustryInsights

From Burnout Lawyer to 3-Day Workweek CEO (Making Millions) — with Jordan Ostroff Oct 22, 2025

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Failure — true failure — is staying stuck doing what you don’t love. That’s the trap Jordan Ostroff found himself in: running a 6-lawyer firm, $200K in debt, and every problem landing on his desk. In this episode, Sasha Berson and Jordan discuss how he rebuilt everything, scaling to 25 employees, raking in millions, while allowing him to work three days a week.

📰 About Jordan Ostroff:

Jordan Ostroff is the brilliant founder of Driven Law and author of Love Your Law Firm. A former prosecutor turned business owner, Jordan knows firsthand what it feels like to be crushed by a law firm that’s successful on the outside but chaotic on the inside. After a breaking point when his wife became pregnant, he rebuilt everything. Today, he works three days a week and successfully runs a multi-million-dollar practice.

👉 Sasha and Jordan explore:

— Why staying miserable is the true definition of failure.

— The “bullseye org chart” mistake that made Jordan the bottleneck for everything.

— How cutting $130K in marketing spend made his firm more profitable.

— Key systems and delegation shifts that create freedom and profit.

👉 Main Takeaways from the Episode:

If every problem lands on your desk, start by listing recurring tasks and delegating them.
Look at your marketing budget with a critical eye; if dollars don’t tie directly to signed cases, cut the spend.
Decide how many hours you actually want to work, then build the systems and staff to make that schedule possible.

📞 Connect with Jordan Ostroff:

• Website: https://www.jordanostroff.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordan-ostroff/

• Jordan’s Book: https://www.amazon.com/Love-Your-Law-Firm-Roadmap/dp/B0CZLPJ8TH

📞 Connect with Sasha Berson:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grow-law/

• Email: info@growlaw.co

• Phone: (312) 854-7724

#LegalMarketing #LawFirmGrowth #BusinessGrowth #LegalIndustryInsights

Scaling to 15 Attorneys in 7 Years: A Journey of Faith, Family & Service — with John Cannon Oct 15, 2025

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A remarkable man on a remarkable journey! In this episode, Sasha Berson swaps insights with John Cannon, the brilliant founder of Cannon & Associates. John breaks down how he scaled a criminal defense and family law firm to 15 attorneys in under 7 years… while serving in the National Guard, raising a family of three, and running a successful home building business.

📰 About John Cannon:

John Cannon is the founder of Cannon & Associates, a thriving Oklahoma City law firm specializing in criminal defense and family law. In just 7 years, John scaled his practice to 15 attorneys and 800+ cases with the right systems, while staying true to his mission of faith, family, and country.

👉 Sasha and John explore:

— How John built a 15-attorney, 30-staff firm in under 7 years while also serving in the National Guard.

— Why “shiny object syndrome” almost derailed his firm, and how hyper-focus became the key to growth.

— How the Cannon & Associates’ website generates 20K–40K monthly visitors through free, useful content.

— Why AI and video are the “next wave” for law firm marketing, and how to stay ahead of the curve.

👉 Main Takeaways from the Episode:

— Don’t chase every practice area: get really good at one thing before adding the second or third.

— Content compounds: write, record, and publish useful content consistently (it will snowball into cases!)

— Invest in your staff with clear roles and responsibilities. It’s the most profitable “marketing investment” you’ll ever make.

— Use AI today: spend at least 8 hours testing how chatbots rank firms in your niche and adjust your strategy to match.

📞 Connect with John Cannon:

• Website: https://jpcannonlawfirm.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/legal-cannon

📞 Connect with Sasha Berson:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grow-law/

• Email: info@growlaw.co

• Phone: (312) 854-7724

#LegalMarketing #LawFirmGrowth #BusinessGrowth #LegalIndustryInsights

The #1 Law Firm Time Killer and How to Escape It – with Manny Griffiths Oct 08, 2025

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What if you could handle 50% more cases without hiring? In this episode, Sasha Berson chats with Manny Griffiths, co-founder of Hona, a game-changing communication tool for busy law firms. Most attorneys waste 2-3 hours a day on status calls, emails, and repetitive updates. Manny reveals how smart firms are clawing back nearly 10 weeks a year with Hona.

📰 About Manny Griffiths

Manny Griffiths is the co-founder and CEO of Hona, a game-changing legal tool. After nearly a decade in legal tech, he grew tired of watching attorneys burn hours on mind-numbing client updates. He built Hona, a brilliant tool that streamlines client communications, saving firms up to 400 hours while redefining their profits (and sanity).

👉 Sasha and Manny explore:

— How lawyers and staff lose 2–3 hours every day on repetitive client updates.

— The shocking thing that causes 44% of negative law firm reviews (are you guilty of this?).

— How Hona helps firms handle up to 50% more cases without adding headcount.

— How automating communication boosts referrals and client satisfaction.

👉 Main Takeaways from the Episode:

— Audit how much time your team really spends on client communication; chances are it’s higher than you think!

— Remember, the most unhappy clients complain about communication, not results, so fix that first.

— Streamline repetitive updates with tech tools, so your staff can focus on higher-value work while clients still feel cared for.

— Use the time you free up (8 hours a week, per staff member) to either take on more cases or enjoy the downtime.

📞 Connect with Manny Griffiths:

• Website: https://www.hona.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/manny-griffiths

📞 Connect with Sasha Berson:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grow-law/

• Email: info@growlaw.co

• Phone: (312) 854-7724

#LegalMarketing #LawFirmGrowth #BusinessGrowth #LegalIndustryInsights

The Legal AI Tool That 2X’d His Revenue — with Travis Easton Oct 01, 2025

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A must-hear AI story for the ages! Travis Easton, attorney-turned-founder of AI Demand Pro, cut demand letter prep from 3 days to just 10 minutes, and doubled his firm’s revenue. In this Grow Law Podcast episode, Travis reveals how his AI-powered system generates emotionally compelling demand letters that read like a “John Grisham novel”. Catch Travis’ fascinating insights today.

👉 Sasha and Travis explore:

— The exact moment Travis realized demand writing was crushing his firm’s growth.

— How AI Demand Pro reduced 3-day demand letter prep to just 27 minutes.

— Why AI now writes more persuasive pain-and-suffering sections than most associates.

— How one attorney used AI to produce 50 demands in a month… solo!

— The real reason law firms will lose profitability if they don’t automate in 2025.

👉 Main takeaways from the episode:

— Pinpoint where your demand process is leaking time, money, and top talent.

— Calculate how much revenue you’re losing by sticking with manual drafting.

— Run one real case through an AI tool like AI Demand Pro and compare results.

— Shift your team’s focus from repeatable work to growth tasks like case management.

— Turn your best demand letter into a scalable template for automation.

📰 About Travis Easton:

Travis Easton is Co-Managing Partner at Easton & Easton, LLP and the Founder of AI Demand Pro. With over a decade in personal injury law, he built AI Demand Pro to streamline demand letter creation, helping firms cut prep time from days to minutes. AI Demand Pro helped double his own firm’s revenue without increasing headcount.

📞 Connect with Travis Easton:

• Website: https://www.demandpro.ai/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travis-easton-19111154/

📞 Connect with Sasha Berson:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grow-law/

• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/growlaw

• Email: info@growlaw.co

• Phone: (312) 854-7724

#LawyerWebsite #LawyerSEO #LawFirmMarketing

The “Banking” System Used by the Top 1% to Get Filthy Rich — with M.C. Laubscher Sep 24, 2025

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What if your money could grow, stay liquid, and pay you interest… at the same time? In this eye-opening Grow Law Podcast, M.C. Laubscher, CEO of Producers Wealth, breaks down the exact financial system ultra-wealthy families have used for 170+ years. Discover a smart way to multiply your cash, without losing control of your capital. And no, you don’t need millions to start!

👉 Sasha and M.C. unpack:

— How the “family banking” system works and why it beats the S&P.

— Discover the strategy the Rockefellers use (and you can, too).

— How M.C. turned life insurance into a cash-flowing investment engine.

— The strategy used to buy real estate without using the bank’s money.

— Why most financial advice is built to keep you average.

👉 Main takeaways from the episode:

— Stop giving your best capital to Wall Street.

— Learn how to earn 6% tax-free, while borrowing at 5% to scale your firm.

— Turn your life insurance into a profit center for your law firm.

— Build a financial engine that compounds forever, and pays your family back.

📰 About M.C. Laubscher:

M.C. Laubscher is the CEO of Producers Wealth and creator of the Cashflow Ninja podcast. He helps business owners build “family banks” using high-cash-value life insurance, unlocking tax-free growth, control, and generational wealth. With 20+ years of experience, he’s helped 500+ families escape the Wall Street casino and create financial systems that compound for life.

📞 Connect with M.C. Laubscher:

• Website: https://producerswealth.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mclaubscher/

📞 Connect with Sasha Berson:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grow-law/

• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/growlaw

• Email: info@growlaw.co

• Phone: (312) 854-7724

#LawyerWebsite #LawyerSEO #LawFirmMarketing

From $3M to $12M: How to Scale Your Law Firm — with Keith Dyer Sep 17, 2025

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What does it take to 4X your law firm’s revenue in just three years? Join Sasha Berson as he speaks with Keith Dyer, founder of LEXGRO, who helped one firm scale from $3M to $12M with bold marketing, smart budgeting, and a full-funnel strategy. Keith breaks down the biggest growth mistakes law firms make, and how to turn your spend into a consistent caseload.

👉 Sasha and Keith explore:

— How much it took to grow one law firm from $3M to $12M in under three years

— Why digital marketing alone won’t scale your firm

— How to avoid “traffic hijacking” when your brand isn’t visible enough

— Why most firms succumb to “shiny object” syndrome instead of mastering the basics

— How to see huge revenue gains with focused, full-funnel marketing

👉 Main takeaways from the episode:

— Set aside 20–30% of your revenue specifically for marketing to unlock predictable law firm growth

— Run regular audits to spot when your digital strategy is plateauing, and shift your budget to higher-performing channels

— Protect your lead flow by building a strong digital footprint so competitors can't hijack your traffic

— Refine your messaging to speak directly to your niche; use their language, pain points, and goals to boost conversions

📰 About Keith Dyer:

Keith Dyer is President and Fractional Chief Marketing Officer at LEXGRO, specializing in rapid law firm growth. With over 30 years of experience driving major revenue wins, Keith helps firms scale by investing 20–30% of revenue into full-funnel marketing, building brand equity, and executing strategies that move the needle.

📞 Connect with Keith Dyer:

• Website: https://lexgro.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/keithdyercmo

📞 Connect with Sasha Berson:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/grow-law/