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    Grand Canyon Speaks

    Welcome to Grand Canyon Speaks! We are airing live interviews that park rangers had with artists from the 11 associated tribes of Grand Canyon National Park. This series explores the lives and perspectives of people who call Grand Canyon home.

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    Meranden Numkena and Lakin Epaloose Speaks Mar 19, 2026
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    We hope you appreciated the stories shared throughout Season 3! To wrap up this season, Meranden and Lakin were interviewed about their experiences while working at Grand Canyon National Park as interns with Arizona Conservation Corps and Ancestral Lands Conservation Corps. They expressed the importance of highlighting Indigenous voices through Grand Canyon Speaks, event planning, and programming at the Park. Take a listen as Meranden and Lakin share behind the scenes at the canyon and enjoy! ---TRANSCRIPT:--- [Meranden Numkena] And then she looked at me and then all of a sudden she started crying and then she hugged me and she's like thank you so much for like doing what you're doing and that was a really big thing. I was like wow like what I'm doing is really impacting and that youth is very much important to highlight and make sure we're educating them and letting them know how much our culture means to not only us but everybody because they we want people to know we're here and that we're doing stuff to amplify our voices. [Lakin Epaloose] When I thought of the NPS I thought of everyone having like kind of like telling you not to do things. Then they'll be like no don't do that no you can't do that no that's illegal. But actually it's the opposite like the people of not just the Grand Canyon but also other Parks are working to provide those ways to practice culture on government land because of course like the land is that of the ancestors of all our people. [Meranden Numkena] Hello everyone, welcome back to season three of Grand Canyon Speaks. I'm Meranden. [Lakin Epaloose] And this is Lakin. [Meranden Numkena] We hope you appreciated the stories shared throughout season three. Lakin and I have been producing and managing Grand Canyon Speaks throughout our internship at the canyon however this marks the final episode of this season. [Lakin Epaloose] To wrap up season three we have an episode of our own where we share our internship experience with Rangers Dan and Brian. This interview was part of a festival that Meranden and I planned and hosted in celebration of Native American Heritage Month. [Meranden Numkena] We appreciate everyone for tuning in to this season as we highlighted indigenous athletes and coaches of the 11 tribes that connect to Grand Canyon. [Lakin Epaloose] Take a listen as Meranden and I talk about behind the scenes at the canyon and enjoy. [Meranden Numkena] I'm from Tuba City and Moenkopi which is about an hour away from here and I am an intern with Lakin at Desert View and it's been really cool. I feel like one of the questions will tell why I'm here but yeah really excited to be doing this and share a lot of what we've done because we did a lot of cool stuff so happy you guys are here too and more people come in. [Lakin Epaloose] Yeah I'm one of the interns here at Desert View well we are at the village but out at Desert View we do most of our work there our programming our Grand Canyon Speaks podcast editing. Every now and then we'll come to the village to help out with performances or to work the desk or just to come hang out here but yeah I'm one of the interns I'm from Zuni. [Ranger Dan] Alright so this is this podcast has a specific focus and it is about your internship and what you have done in over a year here because you started in August of 2024 in our office and you've seen a couple generations of seasonals in that time frame supervisors even. So you've been here quite a while but it all starts with one thing and that's an application to do this job and so our first question here is what about this internship made you want to apply for it? [Lakin Epaloose] I first found out about the internship through an organization in Zuni called Zuni Youth Enrichment Project. There's a program or an organization in Zuni that provides youth with opportunities to grow closer to their culture and practice their culture in many different ways and so I participated in a hike with them down to Phantom Ranch several years ago and then I kind of kept in close contact with them. I was an art instructor for them so I taught an apprenticeship for watercolor students and after that I saw that they were sharing the opportunity to come out here as an intern at the Desert View office and it was kind of like a last minute decision it was like the night before the closing of the application and I don't know what came over me I just I just decided to do it but I think it was the best decision I've made in the past five years. [Ranger Dan] Very cool, very cool. [Meranden Numkena] So mine goes back to my first time coming to the canyon. I went on this trip with Talent Search with Northern Arizona University and they give students a chance to go like prepare for college so basically we went on a trip to Grand Canyon and the first thing we went to was headquarters because that used to be where like the visitor center was and people would go there first. We parked there and we went to see the canyon for the first time and from that moment I knew I was like okay like when I saw the view I was like okay I want to grow old here and I want to work here so I pretty much worked my way to there to get there. Another thing is my mom she always prioritized our education so she was like no matter what you guys do because I'm the oldest she's like I want all of you guys to go to college it doesn't matter where as long as you go get your education and when you have your bachelor's at least and then you can do whatever you want you can have a family kids whatever but she said as long as you get your education you can do whatever you want. So I was like okay I'm going to college and growing up my mom went to ASU Arizona State University so I went there too because it was a really big thing in our family and also I got really homesick so I wanted to choose something that was close. I knew I was going with the Grand Canyon trip I was going to go into something in that field so I majored in park sports and recreation management at ASU and then I also with that I knew I was going to work at the park. I just didn't know exactly what the purpose was I knew I wanted to be a ranger like okay work with the public let them know who we are and stuff like that and then I started looking at stuff online and then I came across somebody who works here and I noticed how she was working with tribes that called the Grand Canyon home and that's actually Kelki that's here in front row. She became a role model to me from that moment I saw her and online saying how the works that she's doing for the tribes and stuff like that so I knew I want to reach out to her and see how she got to where she was so I was able to talk with her and then she's kind of been a mentor there since then this was probably like my sophomore year in college so we kind of just talked back and forth about different opportunities and then she told me about this internship and I was like she's told me like you should apply they're a pretty cool team out in Desert View and I was like okay so same thing with Lakin a little bit, I kind of took a little while because I don't know what I'm going to do after I graduate from college and then I thought about the interview and then I was like okay we might as well just try it you never know like what if it you never know let's just do the interview. And I did it and honestly it was like the best most perfect thing in the world like we just felt like everything clicked because I was talking with Brian and it's just like everything worked and I felt like I answers the questions like really passionately and I just knew in that moment like this is something that I want to do so and it's been working really good so that's how I heard about this opportunity . [Ranger Brian] It has been working really good this has been a pretty amazing year plus I kind of want to backtrack and ask Lakin because he specified that five-year time frame and like if there was a decision five and a half years ago that was better but I'm not going to put him on the spot I'm going to keep going. You guys have had so many different experiences and done so many different things while you've been here. I'm wondering like what are the things you're going to take away? What are one of the moments that you won't forget? [Lakin Epaloose] I feel like through this opportunity it gave me a greater perspective on how the tribes express their culture and how that's important and when it comes to sustaining their identity because each culture not just ones of the canyon but of Native America have their unique way of expressing who they are where they come from and how they want to cultivate that sense of culture and family. So growing up in Zuni I knew a lot about Zuni I knew some Hopi but it gave me a better idea of how we can better manage the lands that we all share and lands that we have called home forever and so that that's the number one thing that this internship has provided me with, this a position to develop that knowledge and ways to share that knowledge and stewardship. But besides that I would say working with youth more; my favorite part of the internship was going on the river and that gave me a lot of motivation to get back on the river and work with youth and provide them cultural knowledge so that they take care of land when they're visiting whether they're indigenous or non-indigenous so yeah. [Meranden Numkena] When I went to college I didn't really spend a lot of time at home and I would stay in Phoenix because I didn't have a way to come home. Sometimes it would have to be my mom and with that I felt like I kind of became like they call them a city native or urban native and I didn't really get to connect with my culture as much or go home for ceremonies and things like that. So through this internship I feel like with being so close to home I'm able to go there go home more and then also the cultural demonstrators being able to talk to a lot of the Hopi ones they have told me like a lot of different things. There's a lot of them that are really welcoming. I know sometimes some tend to be upset like you don't know what where you come from you don't you spent too much time in the city now you don't know anything but it's like there's people here that have welcomed me and told me like it's okay you can ask these questions there's always going to be some things you don't know you're not going to know everything. So it's good to that you're asking these questions so I think that was one good thing is that they were welcoming and that made me understand like I need to learn my culture more so with that I've been asking those questions and also just learning about all the other cultures and tribes that have a connection to the canyon and understanding also through our presentations or performers or like what we have today just seeing how they celebrate and share this land. Another is like the importance of the Havasupai because they're the main ones here that have the canyon as their home like they're the ones who are here and learning about how they're doing dealing with a lot of different stuff like that. So just really learning about how the tribes connect to the canyon and also me connecting back to my culture. [Ranger Brian] Thanks Meranden and thanks Lakin and yeah you guys have gotten the chance to connect on so many different levels with this place and with the river and with youth and with all those different cultural demonstrators and learn so much from all of them. I'm curious if there's something that that you're thinking about from this internship that it taught you about yourself? [Lakin Epaloose] I feel like it taught me that we can manage money yeah and that we that we're able to utilize the resources of the National Park Service in a way that benefits not only us as a team but also the communities of those tribal nations. When I say that I mean like we can bring out artists youth artists like the youth demonstrators we have outside or inside the visitor center we can bring out performers and connect with people not only in our communities but outside of our communities. Like I was saying connecting with the other cultures and learning more about them and one thing it taught me was just to be just to keep an open mind when it comes to co-managing all of the resources that we share kind of like what I said earlier yeah. [Meranden Numkena] Growing up I like I mentioned I'm the oldest so I've always been the one that needs to take control of everything like I need to make sure my siblings are okay they're fed they're paid for like all this stuff and I kind of brought that to here and I've always felt like I need to be in charge or like I need to it has to go my way and that's a like a hard thing to admit but a hard and also a hard thing to understand and like put it through my mind like you're not the one in charge all the time. There's a whole team that's working here so I think that's one of the biggest ones because I remember talking to Dan about it and he's like I don't know we just talked about it I was like oh yeah that's not good and like we worked through it though like okay you need to make sure you're passing on those certain things to do I guess to other people not just me myself so I think that was a hard thing I had to learn but it's also learning like there's a whole team you need to work together it's not just you and things like that I think it's a hard thing to admit but it was one thing that I really had to work on is like making sure everyone has a piece because that's it's not just me so I think that's probably one of the biggest things I learned. [Ranger Brian] Yeah I guess like when you care about something a lot right and you know you've been really invested with the work and when you care about something that much it can be hard to like hand it off to someone else because you feel that responsibility but then I guess when we bring other people in we can do more and so yeah that's awesome lesson. [Ranger Dan] So yeah there's a lot of learning going on a lot of perspectives have changed is what you're talking about already but this internship is focused on working with the public working with communities it's very public facing and this right now is actually your last biggest event that is public facing as well which is really cool and so I have a question here of how is your view of working in public service changed or working with the NPS changed throughout your internship if so like how is it how has it changed? [Lakin Epaloose] I realize that you'll get a lot of the same questions they'll ask you where the restroom's at but besides that we have an opportunity here to share our voice and our authentic perspective and I think that through that we can provide an authentic representation of our people. When I thought of the NPS I thought of everyone having like kind of like telling you not to do things when they say that I mean like you have the NPS people here and the tribal people here and like tribal people tribal nations and people of those nations want to practice their culture on government land and then they'll be like no don't do that no you can't do that no that's illegal but actually it's the opposite. Like the people of not just the Grand Canyon but also other parks are working to provide those ways to practice their culture on government land…

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    Kelli Jones Speaks (BONUS) Mar 12, 2026
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    Another bonus episode! This one features Kelli Jones, a Diné park ranger at Grand Canyon National Park. Her work consists of working with and inviting tribal members for programs, performances, and more to educate visitors and elevate the voices of those who call the Grand Canyon home. As this interview was conducted in March, which is Women’s History Month, she shares some heartfelt stories about the women in her life and how their support has helped her along the way. ---TRANSCRIPT:--- [Kelli Jones] I learned more about my cultural identity while working here from the affiliated tribes and my affiliated tribe and there's also great people who do work here that also empowers me to learn more about myself. So it's just learning from the people who are taking care of these places that is part of our ancestors and I thought that this is a place to be for sure. [Meranden] Hello, welcome to Grand Canyon Speaks. This is Meranden. [Lakin] And this is Lakin. [Meranden] Although we have been highlighting some amazing athletes, we wanted to provide a second bonus episode for this season. March is Women's History Month so we decided to highlight two indigenous women park rangers who work at Grand Canyon National Park. [Lakin] This episode features Kelli Jones, a Diné Park ranger from Rock Point, Arizona. She talks about the different roles she fulfilled to get to where she is today and how she is bringing in more indigenous representation for the community and thousands of visitors of Grand Canyon. [Meranden] Kelli is actually one of the rangers we work with at Desert View and has provided us with guidance throughout our internships, especially working with tribal members. [Lakin] As we stick to the theme of Women's History Month, Kelli also shares some inspirational women in her life and the important roles they play in her culture. [Meranden] This was an emotional interview for me so just a fair warning to our listeners. [Lakin] Thank you for tuning in to season 3 and here is Kelli Jones. [Kelli Jones] (Introduces self in Navajo) Hello, my relatives and my people. My name is Kelli Jones. I am the Tangle Clan, born for the Towering House people and this is who I am as a Navajo woman. So yeah and I'm really excited to, you know, for this interview have Meranden know a little bit more about me. I think that there was a lot of things that once you started your internship we just kind of rolled into Native American Heritage Month so I'm really excited for this interview. [Meranden] Yeah, me too and if you guys didn't notice like in our clans, my second clan is Kiyaa'aanii and hers is Kiyaa'aanii so we're related like immediately once we met each other we knew like we're related which is really cool. So as we're talking about your experience living here in the in Arizona and working in the Park Service, what sparked your interest to work here and how long have you been an employee for? [Kelli Jones] Yeah, I actually have a slide that kind of just talks a little bit about kind of my my job and how I got here to Grand Canyon. I'm actually from Rock Point, Arizona which is a very small community in the middle of the Navajo Nation. All we have is just literally a gas station and I think our community is even smaller than Grand Canyon here which is interesting because the Grand Canyon is about two to three thousand people living here but it's smaller than that. So I actually graduated from Fort Lewis College which is an amazing college where I met a lot of great indigenous people that are actually doing a lot in their communities as well. So Fort Lewis College is within the Four Corners region. It's actually in Durango, Colorado but it's a place where that college offers free tuition to Native Americans. I took that advantage to you know pursue my college in that area and I didn't know what to do to be honest when I went right after high school. I was like what do I want to do? I want to become a dentist. So I started going to biology and I did really bad in school with biology and I went to my advisor. I'm like this is not for me and she was like what what do you enjoy? And I was like I enjoy the outdoors. I played volleyball and basketball so I was really active in my high school years. I am 5'10 so it's pretty tall Navajo to see in my community but I really enjoyed just being outdoors and that kind of pursued me into exercise science. I wanted to go into a field where I can help my community out fighting epidemic diseases such as diabetes, nutrition, you know getting back to our ancestral sovereign foods. So that was kind of my goal when I went to college was actually focusing on getting the youth outdoors and something in that degree also helped me out to get an internship at Southwest Conservation Corps. I never knew anything about conservation corps in high school or even in college until one of my friends from college actually works for the Southwest Conservation Corps through an administration I guess you can say background and this Corps was actually having a hard time trying to find indigenous young adults to do internships at national parks. So he knew me and he was like I think you would love this job. This job is at Mesa Verde National Park and I was like sure why not? So that kind of started me into opening the doors to conservation world and then just barely starting knowing anything. So that was just something that I learned and I thought that was a very cool experience but the challenge with Mesa Verde is it's a very heavily sacred place for the Diné people, the Navajo people. It's a place where it's hard to have that cultural sensitivity to work at. So for me the challenge there was I couldn't be at these places where I should be working at. So at that time I was like kind of lost in knowing what I could do for interpretation education and that internship. So basically my supervisor at that time was like you should just try to invite the local community out. You know in the community that we have a hard time bringing out to our park is the Ute Mountain Ute Reservation which is really just adjacent to that park. Kind of like the Navajo Nation and the Havasupai Nation and the Hualapai Nations are just surrounded by the National Park Service boundaries and I was like yeah I could try to do that and I thought that was a very challenging job. It felt like a tribal liaisons job. I think yeah that was really hard yeah but yeah I guess that empowered me to want to do something that does focus on working in a place where I do feel like I can talk about you know our history here to the public. So I want to do more active interpretation to the public because that's something I've never done at Mesa Verde and that kind of pursued me into the internship here at Grand Canyon. Word of mouth again people were like this is another opportunity if you want to pursue more in education. So that's something that drove me into wanting to work here to get that experience and that's the picture on to the right of in the red dress where I was during my internship at Desert View and I don't know I'm a very big community person. I have a big community value and I wanted to serve my tribe so I worked with my tribe for two years on the Navajo Nation at Office of Diné Youth which is kind of like a nonprofit program that is similar to Boys and Girls Club. It's a after-school program for kids to come back to to learn cultural education to pursue outdoor education as well. So I was a program manager for that in Shiprock which is a northern part of the Navajo Nation and I really enjoyed that but you know some jobs have their challenges. It was during COVID so that was a bigger challenge with working with the tribe and especially for younger kids it was really hard and I ended up coming back here to Grand Canyon and applying for a seasonal job here so and that kind of was an easy place for me to be. I love this place so went from a seasonal ranger to a permanent ranger and that's where I am today. Kind of a long path to get here. [Meranden] That's good though like you allowed that time to figure out what you really wanted. I think that's good when you know you try something out and you don't think it's a perfect fix so you try something new and it's perfect and it's exactly what you want to do and taking you to new heights and new experiences. So I'm glad you found something that you really want to do now so and as we as you mentioned like you went from all these internships and now a seasonal and then a permanent with the number of years you've been within the Park Service itself how do you feel you have served your indigenous community? [Kelli Jones] I feel like it all started at Mesa Verde working as an intern there and trying to bring in more indigenous representation from a local community level and basically that was all they told me they just want more representation from their local tribes and I'm like cool you know how am I gonna do that I have no idea. So I figured that you know going to the tribal nation which I'm not affiliated with you know I'm Diné and this is the Ute Mountain Ute reservation and that was a challenge itself just to introduce myself to that community letting them know what the goals are for the Park Service and then you know introducing myself as an indigenous woman and coming in letting them know that there is no representation there it does feel you know very lost out there without seeing my own community out there and that was my first time even learning about the Park Service so coming into the Park Service it felt like this place isn't for me because it felt very disconnected and I don't know what that disconnection was at that time so by reconnecting the local community you know to our ancestral land I figured that I would feel a sense a place that this is a right path for me so right when I started my my season here I also felt the same way how I felt at Mesa Verde and then felt that here at Grand Canyon I didn't see the community out here and found out that Grand Canyon community itself has about almost 40% of their community who are tribal representatives so I'm like okay well where are they you know we talk about tribal people and I'm over here like where's my community at and something that I realized like working with the community here at Grand Canyon and just really getting their stories understanding the community out here because when you come out to new places you just don't want to enter it and not understand the meaning behind it and the history I have learned from books and then learning from training through interpreting from other tribes but I think that also what was missing was okay I'm living here now and I want to understand what is this community about here at Grand Canyon and I didn't know that there was a school here a K through 12 school which is one of the only schools that within the Park Service that is within the Park Service boundaries which is really neat and that school is very diverse where we have a lot of kids from different backgrounds and predominantly tribal members as well so and I asked them if they you know feel represented here at Grand Canyon and we even did a school trip up to the rim and it was me and Kelkeana where we did ask like you know do you feel yourself represented here and they said no so and doing these photos was for Native American Heritage Month and asking our local community members to come out to the rim and take their pictures so that our social media and people who come out to visit Grand Canyon can see that there are Native representation here and either you don't see them in the front lines or you know but they are here taking care of this place and they live here and coming to realize that one of the families is actually a sixth generation and now her grandchild is going to be the seventh generation living here so you have these generations of family members still living here and working here at Grand Canyon which is really neat. [Meranden] Yeah it's really cool and like we mentioned we plan Native American Heritage Month and they usually have a community event that happens during that time and we've been able to meet a lot of community members who are indigenous who live here so it's really nice to meet them and then also hear about their experiences working here and I feel more at home when I see that they're also here with me as well. So as we're speaking about the community with your work here I noticed that you're very community based and very passionate about supporting the indigenous youth. What are some projects that you've been able to fulfill not just only as a permanent but just overall your time in the Park Service? [Kelli Jones] Yeah I think that you know something that I really want to focus on and my priorities was the community itself here. Focusing on the kids here at the school, seeing what I could do with them to make themselves feel valued not just them but also their families and from the start of that actually been bringing out tribal I guess you can say performers and presenters from affiliated tribes here and around this region bringing them out to the school and just have the kids be inspired by their identity because of that cultural identity is a challenge you know even for me growing up it was you know my mom was actually going through different families and I didn't really know where my culture was at and all I was told when I was young was go to school get educated you know it's that's that survival technique I felt like and it was just like okay I went to school got my degree now what but I think that just making sure that people from this from this community and the kids themselves are proud of their identity their cultural identity that was my main focus is being proud of who they see you know they want to see themselves represented they never seen a native park ranger sometimes or they never seen themselves being valued in this space so I think that was the one of my goals here was trying to figure out what the kids need here at Grand Canyon but also bringing out people from our 11 affiliate tribes from our reservations and some of our kids from our reservations and our people are really great at educating and expressing their identity in different ways it's very diverse so I want that to be represented here to have that being expressed to the public because our cultures are not monolith so when we see one native person we think of oh we speak all the languages or we all live in teepees you know and I feel like it's exhausting to talk about that sometimes as being always in the front lines getting asked those questions where we can bring in people that educate about that too so I really enjoy that hearing from them and then expressing that to the public. [Meranden] Yeah and I think also our work that we do at Desert View is very indigenous based so we do a lot of bringing out those tribal members so like Kelli has really introduced me to that side of it of like performances that happen out here and she's in charge of that most of the time along with doing the outreach like we've been able to do a lot as interns to go to these tribal reservations for example we were just on the Hopi Day School and just go do some outreach about what we do and explain also the Grand Canyon Speaks what that platform does and then we were able to meet Billy Mills there which is really cool if you're not familiar with him he's an indigenous runner who won the one gold at the Olympics in the 10k race so that was really cool we've been able to learn a lot from Kelli just based…

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    Kelkiyana Yazzie Speaks (BONUS) Mar 05, 2026
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    We’re excited to highlighted Kelkiyana Yazzie (Diné) who works at Grand Canyon National Park under the Tribal Affairs program. She started her career as an interpretive ranger at Navajo National Monument and now continues her efforts to provide Indigenous communities with resources through the National Park Service. Kelki also emphasizes the role that women fulfil in her culture and mentions several women who’ve inspired her journey. Join us as we celebrate Women’s History Month in this episode and enjoy! ---TRANSCRIPT:--- [Kelkiyana Yazzie] I worked at Navajo National Monument, and that place honestly has my heart and soul, and it's actually my career goal to go back as superintendent of that park. But for the time being, this opportunity at Grand Canyon happened. It was actually the manager of the Interpretation Rangers. He was just like, “we need to make this change here at Grand Canyon, and we think you would be a great fit to help us make that happen.” [Lakin] Hello everyone, welcome back to another episode of Grand Canyon Speaks. This is Lakin. [Meranden] And this is Meranden [Lakin] Thank you for listening to Season 3, it’s been great interviewing our Indigenous athletes, however we’d like to feature some bonus episodes that highlight Women’s History Month. [Meranden] In many Indigenous cultures of this region, matriarchy has been the foundation of our traditions and values that we continue to practice as we did long ago. [Lakin] With that being said, we interviewed Kelkiyana Yazzie who works at Grand Canyon National Park under the Tribal Affairs program. [Meranden] Kelki started her career as an interpretive ranger at Navajo National Monument near Shonto, Arizona and now continues her efforts to provide Indigenous communities with resources through the National Park Service. [Lakin] We’re excited to celebrate Women’s History Month and Kelki’s success in this episode. We hope you enjoy! [Kelkiyana Yazzie] [Introduces self in Diné] Hello everyone, my name is Kelkiyana. I go by Kelki for short. I am the Tribal Program coordinator here at Grand Canyon National Park. So what that is, is it's the tribal liaison, one of the tribal liaisons who work with the [Grand Canyon National] Park’s 11 tribes, which Lakin introduced earlier. But yeah, I'm a member of the Navajo Nation. My traditional greeting includes my clan. So, (Navajo clan), that means I am of the (speaks Navajo) clan. (Navajo word) translates to Folded Arm People. I always hope that means a good thing. And then I'm born for (Navajo word), which is my dad's clan. That's to Reed people. And that actually has Hopi origin down the line. So somewhere in my ancestors, I have Hopi ancestors, Hopi relatives, because that's where that clan originated. But yeah, that's a little bit about me, and we can continue on. [Lakin] Yeah, thank you for that introduction, Kelki. So what sparked your interest in the Park Service, and how long have you been an employee for? [Kelkiyana Yazzie] Yeah, so this coming year is actually going to be my ninth year with the National Park Service. I started out as an interpretive park ranger, meaning that I give programs for visitors. And I previously worked at a small park called Navajo National Monument. I don't know if anyone here has heard of it or been there. It's a really small park on the Navajo Nation. It protects three ancestral cliff-dwelling sites. And I'm actually a fourth-generation park ranger. So the photo behind us here is actually photos of my great-grandfathers, Floyd and Hubert Laughter. Hubert was one of the first Navajo park rangers at that small park in the 1950s. So it's kind of astounding to me where that park became a park in 1909, but yet it took until the 1950s to hire local Native people in the Park Service. So yeah, he was one of the first Navajo park rangers. Before that, he was working with the Navajo Nation Police. He's a veteran. And then his brother Floyd there, they're both medicine men, so they conduct ceremonies, healing ceremonies for our local community and our family. So that's what really sparked my interest in the Park Service. I grew up on the Navajo Nation just five miles from this area. And growing up, I would be on the school bus, drive by it all the time, see all the visitors there. And I'm just like, what are they doing? It's just a canyon and a bunch of old houses there. I was just like, why are they coming to visit this area? But after high school, I got to do Youth Conservation Corps, which is similar to what Meranden and Lakin are doing with their internships at Desert View. And that gave me the opportunity to work at this park. And I just saw everyone come from all over the world and have this genuine interest and respect for the landscape, for our people, and our history. So that really reignited in myself my own connection to my culture, my connection to the land, and just started this lifelong passion I have for working with the Park Service. So that's how I ended up working with the park. [Meranden] Nice. That's really good. I think it really relates to why we're here as well. We're here to show that kind of empowerment and be there for our tribes here. Like we mentioned, there's the 11 tribes. I'm Hopi and Navajo and Lakin is Zuni, so we're part of those 11 tribes. And being able to represent and be here to show that we are here to take care of our land and things like that is really important. So with the number of years you've been here in the Park Service and the generations of park rangers in your family, how do you feel you have served your indigenous community? [Kelkiyana Yazzie] Yeah, so a big thing, I'm pretty sure everyone in this room and whoever is listening to the podcast have been to so many National Parks across the country. And when you think about it, you see all these stories, even just looking at these quotes on the wall. They're all from non-Native people. And that's usually the dominant narrative that's told in these National Parks, is that it's coming from a voice that's newer than the voices that have been here for generations. So that's something that I really want to bring forward is we call it first voice interpretation, meaning that our stories are coming from us as Native people. And I really want to help share that. So when I first came here to Grand Canyon in 2021, I started working as a ranger here in the village giving programs. And I talked to the other rangers, and I'm like, what's the indigenous programs look like here or the signs? And they're like, ah, it's non-existent. And that was in 2021. And there's actually signs here in the park. This one actually just got removed back in 2022, where it talks about Native people in the past tense. On the sign, it says prehistoric people used this trail to hunt and gather. But we're like, what? We're not prehistoric. Like, we're still here. So that's just something I'm really proud of working with the Park Service today. And this role is to bring our voices to the forefront. And we're not in the past. We're not past tense. Like, how these dominant narratives have existed. Like, there's that sign if you've been out to Hermit Road. It's at Powell Memorial. And on that sign, it calls him the first explorer of the Grand Canyon. But we're like, what about the Native people that have been here way before the 1800s? So yeah, that's just a big thing I really want to push forward in helping represent our tribes here at the park. Because it's our homelands. And it always will be. [Lakin] In your introduction, you did mention that you're part of the Tribal Affairs Program and we'd like to know more about the Tribal Affairs Program and what some projects and work you've done and accomplished. [Kelkiyana Yazzie] Yeah, so the Tribal Affairs Program is fairly new. When you go to other National Parks, they really don't have a tribal liaison. I actually work with two other people. Vincent, who's a member of the Hualapai Tribe, and Rising Buffalo, who's part Arapaho. And we're the only national park out of the 400-plus units in the country that has three people dedicated to tribal affairs. And usually it's the park's anthropologists or their archaeologists, and it's a collateral duty for them. But here, our superintendent, our park manager, is really dedicated to tribal affairs. It's actually his number one priority as the manager of the park, is to bring these voices forward. And so that's what the tribal program is, is that we work on various things. And just sharing our voices and our presence that has been here for generations. These are actually from the park's museum collection. So there's some split twig figurines that have been found along the river corridor. Pottery. This is like the physical aspects of our presence in the canyon. But we ourselves as tribal people, we have stories through oral history. A lot of tribes, we don't have a written language. If we do, it's fairly new. So a lot of our stories and traditions are passed down through oral history, or through pottery, or pictographs and petroglyphs. Here throughout Grand Canyon, it's over 200 miles long, and there's so many ancestral sites and pictograph and petroglyph panels along the way. But a pictograph is painted onto a rock wall with a plant or mineral dye, and a petroglyph is etched into the rock wall with a sharp object. But yeah, as a tribal program, we're really just trying to bring those voices forward and make it known that this canyon's a living landscape. And a big part of my job is just helping us connect, reconnect to the landscape. Because just like every national park, we do have that story of forced removal. It happened back in the 1920s. The Park Service forcibly removed the Havasupai people from what's now known as Havasupai Gardens to make this a national park. So we're doing what we can to help reconnect that and welcome tribes back to this area, including supporting pilgrimages for ceremonial plant gathering, that the park is free for tribes because we shouldn't have to pay to access our homelands, supporting first voice interpretation. Like I mentioned, the stories being told from Native people ourselves. This is a photo of some Havasupai working on the signage down at Havasupai Gardens from their own words. The cultural demonstration program is another example of that for people to share their crafts here. The Grand Canyon Speaks program, which we're doing right now. This is a little different. We usually do it out at Desert View at the amphitheater there. But it's a little chilly. Supporting tribes coming to the park and seeing what's in the museum collections. One of the curators, Colleen there, she was just like, wow, I didn't know that about this. The tribes were talking about the different artifacts there and she was just learning so much new stuff. Supporting tribal internships. This is a photo from our bison. If you didn't know, we have bison on the North Rim. So we supported live capture and transfer of bison to the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe. Since this project started, we've helped transfer 382 bison to tribal lands. Working with the Intertribal Working Group, of course. That's really important that this working group is made up of tribal community members. And we're the team that helps make it happen. What they want to see in the park. So those are a couple of examples. [Meranden] That's more than a couple. That's so cool. This might be an obvious question just based on how you answered this one. There's so many national parks that are around here. You were able to work close to home and now you're at Grand Canyon. What made you choose Grand Canyon and what is the significance of Grand Canyon to you? [Kelkiyana Yazzie] That's a great question. Like I mentioned earlier, I worked at Navajo National Monument. That place honestly has my heart and soul. It's actually my career goal to go back as superintendent of that park. But for the time being, this opportunity at Grand Canyon happened. It was actually the manager of the interpretation rangers. He was just like, we need to make this change here at Grand Canyon. And we think you would be a great fit to help us make that happen. So that's how I ended up here. It helped me develop in my career. Because at my old park, I was stuck as a seasonal park ranger. But here I was able to get a permanent position. But my own connection to the Grand Canyon, Navajo and the Navajo culture. We have many, many stories that tie back to it. I got to join a river trip with the Navajo Nation a couple years ago. And we were down in the canyon and saw old sheep campsites. Where Navajo families would be camping and tending to their livestock down there. So yeah, we just have this long history and tie to the Grand Canyon. And of course the Colorado River itself. If you ever get an opportunity to go down there into the river, it's a whole other world. And you can truly feel the spiritual presence down there. So that's how I connect to the Grand Canyon. Is spiritually living here. I've lived here for a couple years now. And I never get tired of that view. I always feel like I see it for the first time every time I look at it. We're very, very blessed to have that here. And for us to be able to see it. And yeah, just be here in its presence. [Lakin] And we look forward to you fulfilling those aspirations. And continuing to inspire us and also the indigenous communities at large. So the next question is, as an Indigenous woman, what does Women's History Month mean to you? [Kelkiyana Yazzie] Yeah, so Women's History Month is very important to me. Especially as a Navajo woman because our culture is very matrilineal. Meaning that a lot of our practices, our traditions, even where we live, it's all done through the female side. And that just shows how sacred and how vital and important our Navajo people hold females and women. I introduced my clans at the beginning. And that's how we continue and pass on the clans. If I ever have kids in the future, my first clan that Folded Arm People one will pass down to them. That's my mom's clan, that's my grandma's clan, and so on. So having something like Women's History Month, it really kind of shines like that spotlight on our stories as women and females. Because usually, we just do so much that people may not realize. So I think that's why it's really important to me. And some of the most important people in my life are women. And I think it's really important to show that appreciation to us as females. [Meranden] Yeah, definitely. And speaking of those inspirational and very important women in your life, is there a number of them that mean a lot to you? And is there specific names that you wanted to mention on that? [Kelkiyana Yazzie] Yeah, so one being my mom. My mom's actually here today. She's done so much. She's just the most hardworking person I know. And she's my favorite person who's just really taught me a lot. And I really carry a lot with that with me. And she was diagnosed with cancer a couple years ago. And just seeing that challenge and seeing her go through that really gave me a lot of strength as well. And another important person was my aunt Heather. Unfortunately, she lost her battle to colon cancer back in 2022. And yeah, it's just tough to see these health challenges come to our communities like this. And yeah, see the strength and perseverance that people like my mom and my aunt H…

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    Sierra Klemme Speaks Feb 26, 2026
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    Sierra Klemme grew up in Page, AZ and took her soccer endeavors to the University of Colorado which led her to working as an intern at Grand Canyon National Park. Outside of her internship, Sierra has been carving out her career as a river guide. Take a listen as she shares her journey from soccer athlete to river guide and we hope you enjoy! ---TRANSCRIPT:--- [Sierra Klemme] If something feels bigger than you, don't be afraid to really lean into it, to allow the intensity of those feelings to fully engulf you. You know, those feelings may be things you feel here at the Grand Canyon. I certainly do. It is just something I wanted to say that being a part of something bigger than you is quite wonderful. [Lakin] Hello and welcome back to Grand Canyon Speaks. This is Lakin. [Meranden] And this is Meranden. [Lakin] In this episode, Meranden had a chance to interview Sierra Klemme who was an intern at Grand Canyon National Park and continues to pursue her career as a river guide. As a member of the Navajo Nation, she grew up in Page, Arizona just up the road from the canyon. [Meranden] During her time at Page high school, she played with the girls’ soccer team, however she suffered an injury that caused her to miss out on her junior year of soccer. [Lakin] Despite this injury, Sierra wasn't ready to give up yet, so she continued to play soccer at the University of Colorado and Colorado Springs. [Meranden] Take a listen as Sierra tells us about going from a soccer athlete to a river guide. We hope you enjoy. [Sierra Klemme] My name is Sierra Klemme. I'm a Diné woman from the Navajo Nation, and currently I am an intern with Grand Canyon National Park Fisheries Department, as well as a part-time river guide through the canyon. So this summer, I've been splitting my time between Page, Flagstaff, and the Colorado River. [Meranden] Nice. Dang, that's a lot. Well, first of all, have you been to the canyon before this internship? [Sierra Klemme] I have, yes. I grew up nearby, and so I spent a lot of my childhood visiting the south rim of the Grand Canyon. [Meranden] Nice. But yeah, it's cool that you've been here before. So you mentioned Flagstaff and Page. You did actually grow up in Page, right? [Sierra Klemme] Yes, I did. Yeah, I grew up in Page, which is about an hour north of here. It borders Utah and the Navajo Reservation. Page was established originally because of the construction of the Glen Canyon Dam, which creates the reservoir behind it, known as Lake Powell, and has the Colorado River running below. [Meranden] Nice, yeah. I didn't know the meaning behind it. Yeah, that's cool, because I'm from Tuba City, and we've been there. We go there sometimes, and then we also went there for sports too. And then speaking of sports, which is what we're here for today, is to talk about the meaning of sports towards Native communities. So through this podcast, we've been able to talk to a lot of different athletes that are from the 11 tribes who call the canyon home, and we've been able to talk to people who did basketball running, some things with equestrian [sports] or horses and things like that, and now we have you doing soccer. So, would you like to talk a little bit about how you got into soccer or the inspiration behind it? [Sierra Klemme] Yeah, there's not a specific moment that I can pinpoint as being inspired when I first started playing soccer. I think I was like five or six years old, and my parents honestly just signed me up for city league soccer, but it turns out I was naturally pretty good at it and really enjoyed it. So, as the years went on, my love for the sport grew as well as my skill set, and I later found myself playing for the Page High School soccer team, and that is where I found some inspiration for my later soccer career years. There was this girl named Brittany Tso, she was also a Navajo girl, and nobody was playing soccer like her. It was, yeah, super cool to see her scoring goals left and right, always bringing up team mentality, and yeah, she really set a new standard of sort of what it meant for me to be a soccer player, and I thought it was really cool that this other Native girl was playing soccer, where most people on the reservation in this area play basketball during that season, and so yeah, it was sweet to see her and share that experience. [Meranden] Nice, yeah, and in Page, is there a pretty big Diné population there? [Sierra Klemme] Yeah, so Page is a little border town, and so a lot of students of Page High School come in from the reservation and surrounding areas, and so yeah, the primary student body is Indigenous youth. [Meranden] Nice, that's cool. I can kind of relate with the soccer, like growing up, they used to have like a little, I forgot what it's called, but when we were smaller, we used to play soccer too, and I remember when we were really small, like when you play, like not a lot of kids know how to play super well, and they just like kick your shin guards like really hard. I remember that, like getting kicked like really hard, and then I also got like, one time a ball hit me in the stomach really hard, and it's like, that really knocks the wind out of you. [Sierra Klemme] Right, yeah, I've had it all, kicked shins, black eyes. [Meranden] Really? [Sierra Klemme] Worth it, but yeah. [Meranden] Yeah, so like when you did play in high school, what were some of the teams that you played? Was it like usually on the reservation, or was it like out of, in the Valley or anything like that? Like who did you play against? [Sierra Klemme] It was mainly schools down in Flagstaff and the Phoenix area that were sort of on our same size level. There was not really any schools on the reservation that had girls’ soccer teams, specifically girls’ soccer teams, and so yeah, there was a lot of traveling to play this sport. [Meranden] Nice, yeah, and then like when you played soccer in high school, did you have any plans to play after high school? [Sierra Klemme] When I first started, I didn't know that I would want to play later on, but unfortunately in high school, I suffered a pretty serious knee injury, and so I only got to play three out of the four years of high school, and I kind of felt like I wasn't ready to be done yet, and so yeah, I did decide to pursue soccer after high school at a collegiate level. However, school was more important to me, and so I chose school first and then decided to figure out how I could still play soccer, and I tried out for a team, didn't make it, and then I wound up playing for a club team at the University of Colorado in Colorado Springs, and so I played for about two years for them, and we would travel within Colorado playing other schools. [Meranden] Nice. Is there anybody in your family who also played soccer? [Sierra Klemme] Not in my like immediate family, but I did have a cousin who played in high school as a defender, and you know, got a lot of accolades and everything, and also kind of inspired me and made me want to do that as well, and luckily I was a forward, a striker, and so we got to shine in our different areas. [Meranden] Nice. [Sierra Klemme] But yeah, it was pretty good. [Meranden] As someone that doesn't really understand soccer like positions, what does a forward do? Is it much like like basketball who like shoots, or like what's the, what does a forward do? [Sierra Klemme] Exactly, yeah, pretty much that. The forward is up at the top of the field trying to be available to score goals and everything. [Meranden] Nice, cool. Much like how a forward is important to the soccer, the game of soccer, athletics plays a really important role to a lot of our Native communities. They've been able to help us shine and show that we are here and we can do just as much as anyone else could. What do athletics or sports mean to your Native community, like your own Page community, also your Diné community as well? [Sierra Klemme] So growing up in Page, there wasn't always a lot going on, and honestly sometimes sporting events were the highlights of the week, and so it was a unique opportunity to bring the community together, whether that was a basketball game, a football game, sometimes soccer games, not always, but yeah, it was a great way to be able to celebrate the athlete's individuality, but also support each other in coming together as a team and a community to sort of celebrate the joy, the happiness of motion, and so yeah, I think it really created a lot of deep relationships amongst people living their day-to-day lives together in a really bonded community way. [Meranden] Nice, yeah, I think it does bring a sense of community, allows you to meet a lot of different people, and also gives you the opportunity to try something new and pass it on to your next destination, like you brought it on to college, allowed you to meet more people I bet through playing club, so that's really cool to see how it is a highlight in your Page community. Speaking of the importance of the sports and how it brings community, we've been able to highlight Indigenous athletes in sports, but also in a different way that you've been able to shine. You know, you said Page is near Lake Powell, which then is also connected to the Colorado River itself. You have experience as a river guide, so you mentioned that you were or have been a river guide with the Wilderness River Adventures. Would you kind of like to speak more on what this experience has been like? [Sierra Klemme] Absolutely, yes, I have been a Grand Canyon river guide for about the past six years now. Yeah, but seven years ago, I actually got to go down the river for the very first time with two of my best friends from my childhood from Page, and from the minute that we set off on the trip, I knew it was somewhere that I really wanted to be, and so yeah, through guiding down in the Grand [Canyon], I've gotten to learn a better sense of myself through this wonderful experience getting to know the Grand Canyon. [Meranden] Nice, yeah. Are there many Indigenous river guides that you've met through this past seven, six years you've been doing this? [Sierra Klemme] What a great question. I'm so glad that you brought this up. Well, yes, I'm a part of this really big guiding community down within the Grand Canyon. I'm a part of only a handful of other Native [American] river guides down within the canyon. There's not a super large representation of Indigenous perspectives down there. [Meranden] Yeah, I think there is a lot of Indigenous people who do go down on the river, like I know the other intern I work with, Lakin, he had the opportunity to go on the river. There's also Grand Canyon Trust who has like youth river trips with Indigenous people, but they don't really have the [Native American] river guides there, so it's really cool that you're one of the few who are doing that, but I hope this number continues to grow. However, by being one of the few, what does it mean to represent your tribe by being one of the few Native river guides? [Sierra Klemme] Yeah, first I want to acknowledge that you're totally right. There is an ever-growing population of Indigenous people coming down the river, but those getting to work down there is still quite small, and I think what it means to me to be an Indigenous representative down there is that I get to create these narratives. When I first started, I didn't realize how big of an impact it was of me just being down there was, and so now that years have gone on and I've learned more about it, I understand the importance of being down there, and oftentimes when we go to these ancestral sites or talk about ancient people, it's always referred to in the past, and so being able to be down there, I get to bring it back to the point that there are still 11 tribes that call this place home and hold this place so sacred and high up in their spirits, and that we are still here today and still experiencing the canyon in our own way. Yeah, we've been able to, personally, I've been able to learn a lot about things that are sacred and also like things you can share, and then also just being able to emphasize to visitors how important it is, not just the river itself but the canyon as well, just like to take care of it like your own home. [Meranden] So you being able to do your work as an Indigenous river guide means a lot, and we're really grateful that we have you down there because you're able to share that knowledge to those people who might not know it, and like they'll be able to share it with whoever they encounter who may be going down to the river as well. I know there's also seminars that these different river companies do to make sure that whoever's on the river also acknowledge that this is really sacred to us and there's places they shouldn't go to, so that's really important for them to share, and I'm sure you do that as well, which once again is really, really good that you do that for us. Is there any like really good highlights from being on the river that you would like to share, like any silly moments or any sites you've been to or yeah, just anything down in the river that you like to highlight that you want to share about the river? [Sierra Klemme] Gosh, where do I begin? There's so many things down there that have brought so many good memories, tough memories too, but all in all creating such great experiences. Earlier this year through my internship, it's a different sort of trip than I've become accustomed to with the day-to-day guiding and everything. We got to spend some time, we get to stop and spend time in areas for a few days, and so I got to spend a couple hours at Shinumo Creek and enjoy the pool at the bottom of this beautiful little waterfall created by a chalk stone in the wall, and yeah, it was so wonderful just to watch the different shades of the sun as it went over and where the light was and how the temperature of the pool changed. It was quite special to be able to watch the canyon change in those small ways. [Meranden] Yeah, that's cool. This isn't podcast related, but I have an evening program similar to this, and I do a segment about the river, and it talks about the Humpback Chub, and it's just talking about like their different tributaries, and I remember hearing Shinumo Creek, but yeah, that's really cool. I unfortunately can't go in the river because as a Hopi lady you're not allowed to go down there, so it's really cool that you are fortunate to be able to go down there. Same with Kelli. She is going tomorrow, and then she'll be on the river for a couple days, so it's really nice that you guys are able to do that and then share your knowledge, but anyways, back to this. Yeah, it's really cool, and you mentioned your internship. That's something that you're doing right now, and you work as an intern at the Grand Canyon. What does your work entail? [Sierra Klemme] So this summer I am interning for the fisheries department at the Grand Canyon National Park, and the internship came up so seamlessly. It was an opportunity I couldn't pass up, and so I, yeah, like I said, I'm working with the fisheries department with several different project leads who each have slightly different objectives, but their overarching goal is to restore native fish back into the ecosystem, into the river ecosystem. You mentioned before, yeah, the native fish, the Humpback Chub, and that is one specific species that is really at the top of the priority list for these restoration efforts, and over the past couple years with these efforts, the Humpback Chub has actually been declassified…

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    Lynette Lewis Speaks Feb 19, 2026
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    This episode features Lynette Lewis, a Diné woman who explains her involvement with NABI, the Native American Basketball Invitational. As a businesswoman of LRLewis LLC, she talks about how she is able to provide services to native athletes such as basketball tournaments and skills training. Rez ball is a huge component to her native community and she talks about the efforts she is doing to provide exposure to some very talented athletes. ---TRANSCRIPT:--- [Lynette Lewis] It's been definitely just amazing to see the growth, you know, to keep in contact after they're done when they become NABI alumni and to see their journey. Some of these kids get picked up by a college to play basketball and it's just awesome to see them representing not just NABI but, you know, their community, where they come from and just making a name for themselves. [Lakin] Hello and welcome back to Grand Canyon Speaks. This is Lakin. [Meranden] And this is Meranden. [Lakin] Today's episode is about Lynette Lewis. She is Diné and speaks about her involvement with NABI, the Native American Basketball Invitational, from starting as a volunteer and making her way to becoming the tournament director. [Meranden] She also describes her experience as a business owner where she provides professional services for Native athletes. [Lakin] And reveals that she is working on a film highlighting a very successful girls basketball team on the Navajo Reservation. [Meranden] Thank you for tuning into today's episode and here is Lynette Lewis. [Lynette Lewis] First, thank you for having me. I'm happy to be here and I like to first introduce myself in my Navajo Diné language. Hello everyone. (Introduces self in Navajo) My name is Lynette Lewis. I am from the Bitterwater clan, born for the Mud clan, my maternal grandfathers of the Towering House clan and my paternal grandfathers of the Bear clan. And this is how I define myself as a Navajo woman. [Ranger Eliana] Awesome. Thank you for sharing that with us. I want to ask you, I heard it's your first time coming here to Grand Canyon. What does it feel like to be here for the first time? [Lynette Lewis] It's overwhelming. It is my first time and I think stepping up to the rim, I am actually afraid of heights but this is actually not that bad. I think the first thing I said was it looks like a fake background but it's very beautiful. Just to see nature and see this for the first time, it's amazing. [Ranger Eliana] That's so awesome and just so everyone listening knows, we are looking directly at the canyon right now and you did definitely say that the first time you stepped up to the rim. The canyon is really just so amazing and it's also such a significant place. So Grand Canyon is home to the 11 associated tribes but it also seems like one version of home for you might be on the basketball court or in your work with NABI. Can you tell us about NABI, what it is and how you got started with it? [Lynette Lewis] Yeah, so NABI is the Native American Basketball Invitational. It's been around for 22 years and it started off very, a very small tournament and has grown significantly over the past 20 years plus years. This past year, it is an event that happens every year in July in Phoenix, Arizona. NABI does host Native American tribes from all over the country. It is a high school tournament and does take place over the course of four days and this year, there was 204 teams, boys and girls. There was 508 games total, played over four days and there were 160 plus tribal nations represented. [Ranger Eliana] Wow, that's a huge deal, especially like hearing about how NABI has grown over time. I remember listening to an interview you did a few years ago and I think you said maybe it was like 128 teams or something. It's so cool to hear how much and how quickly NABI has grown. Another big achievement I heard of yours is that you were a commentator for NABI games on ESPN and I was curious what it means for you being an Indigenous woman on one of the largest sporting platforms in the world. [Lynette Lewis] Yeah, so this was back I believe in 2021. We did have the opportunity to go live on ESPN plus which is a big accomplishment for NABI and I was one of several commentators. We were all an Indigenous broadcast and so that in itself was an accomplishment just representing our own tribes on this big platform just being female and in a sports world. You really see that and now with women in sports, it's definitely growing and you know I just wanted to be that person for younger females to see and to know that you know they can also be in this position too. [Ranger Eliana] I remember in the office when I was thinking about what I wanted to ask you, one of my co-workers when I mentioned, oh she did say that you know she was a commentator on ESPN but I'm not sure if we have time for that question. He said definitely ask that you know make sure you ask that and also you know in regards to being a female in a male-dominated field, it's just so impressive and you're definitely a role model. [Lynette Lewis] Thank you. [Ranger Eliana] It's so awesome and I'm sure you're a role model for a lot of the youth as well. I do want to ask you because you mentioned you worked for NABI for 14 years and there's so many young people coming through NABI. Do you keep in touch with any of the players and how do you keep in touch with them? [Lynette Lewis] Yes, as you said 14 years. I have met a lot of players, kept in contact with a lot of coaches that have been coming every year with a new group of players. I think every player will at least play four years in NABI and then a new group of kids will come in but it's been definitely just amazing to see the growth you know to keep in contact after they're done when they become NABI alumni and to see their journey. Some of these kids get picked up by a college to play basketball and it's just awesome to see them representing not just NABI but you know their community where they come from and just making a name for themselves. You rarely see Native American athletes playing at a college level so it's just great to see that you know that's also changing and we're seeing more representation in that too. [Ranger Eliana] Yeah and that's so cool that NABI has such a big role in highlighting young Native American athletes and helping to get them to the college level and that you're also still invested in the players after they come through NABI and seeing their growth over time and celebrating them. That's really awesome and I know that you also have grown a lot with NABI like you said 14 years. Could you tell me a little bit about like your time with NABI because I heard that you started as a volunteer and grew into your current position now you do a lot with the organization. [Lynette Lewis] Yeah so it all started when I was still a student at Arizona State University and it was the summer time so I was on break and I needed something to do so knowing that NABI was coming up my sister and I we decided that we should volunteer and be part of it so that happened the first year and then I was actually asked to come back the following year to do an internship so it kind of started from there and then you know eventually went into a part-time position and then eventually full-time and then came to a point where I was I became the tournament director so this was I think this was my sixth year that just passed in 2025. [Ranger Eliana] Yeah you know that you started out as a volunteer and an intern and you've grown into such an important role with NABI you know I think it's really it's really good for young people to hear as well like I myself was an intern one year ago so it's inspiring to see how far you could go in your life and in your career. [Lynette Lewis] Yeah and if I could add to that you know I always like to share my share this message to a lot of the youth is that it's important to volunteer it's important to take internships because it never know you never know where it's going to take you where you're going to end up and you know look at me and so I'm at a point where I was able to establish my own business and now I'm have the ability to work with other native communities and other organizations which has been great. [Ranger Eliana] Yeah that's so cool and such an important message for young people especially to hear it's like life could take you anywhere but you have to take those opportunities. [Lynette Lewis] Correct. [Ranger Eliana] Yeah that's awesome and I also think like NABI is such a great opportunity for young people because I know you told me that you have teams from all over the country and even some teams from abroad and all over the world and I'm curious what the experience is like for young players who come out to compete in NABI tournament. [Lynette Lewis] Aside from the competition I think it's all about bringing the kids together you know unify them and it's also an opportunity for them to meet other athletes from different parts of the world the other part you know from different tribes and also just to get to learn a different tribe's culture their you know traditions so it's you know educational too and I know a lot of athletes don't have the opportunity to travel even just out of state or to a big city so this is a great opportunity for them and just to meet other kids from different parts of the country from different communities. [Ranger Eliana] Yeah that's so cool and such a good learning experience and like cross-cultural connections for the kids. I want to ask you like maybe a personal question but did you travel much when you were growing up? I know you've traveled a lot now but when you were like maybe their age did did you have that experience traveling? [Lynette Lewis] Unfortunately I didn't. I'm from New Mexico so you know the nearest city was Albuquerque and you know that was big to me and then I think my first time going to traveling to California like that was major and because you know I never really had the opportunity and I just I knew when I had that first time traveling to another place I knew like I wanted to travel to more places outside of you know where I'm from. Now it's like with my work I have the opportunity to do so now and it's been amazing to travel to all these different places and you know see other communities. [Ranger Eliana] Yeah and there's like so much that you learn when you go somewhere that's different from the place that you grew up. It's really wonderful that you're kind of like facilitating and providing that opportunity for young people and you're also getting to learn yourself through your travels. I want to ask you kind of an unrelated random question because we always try to ask this fun question and that is what is your favorite native food? [Lynette Lewis] My favorite native food? Let's see so I am Navajo. Every time I go home I have to have mutton so roast mutton with green chili. That's my go-to every time I go home. I mean there's a lot of other foods but I say you know that for sure. [Ranger Eliana] That sounds so good. I have to I've never actually had mutton and I also don't think I've ever had green chili. Can you describe for the listeners like what does it taste like or like what's green chili like? [Lynette Lewis] I don't know how to describe mutton. I've asked people before I know some people's it's not for everyone but green chili it's a well New Mexico they're known as the green chili capital of the world because you know of hatch green chili it's you know you can find it there in New Mexico. So I've grown up I feel like when we have dinner lunch doesn't matter when you're always have some sort of chili there that you eat with so I love spice I love chili so I know there's different temperature levels you know you can go mild you can go extra hot so it varies. [Ranger Eliana] Okay so Lakin is one of the interns here and he is from Zuni and when he comes home sometimes he brings fried chicken with chili and he let me try the chili sauce but it was red but whatever it was was really good. [Lynette Lewis] Yeah red and green I say it's very similar we call it if you combine the two we call it Christmas. [Ranger Eliana] This is a good learning opportunity. I like that those are definitely the Christmas colors. That's awesome. Now I'm just thinking about food and I'm trying to transition my brain back because I want to ask you now like kind of another question related to where you grew up because you told me that you you're in the process of making a film called Kirtland Dynasty and it's from the area where you grew up so I was wondering if you could tell us about the film what it's been like making the film and also why that story was important to you. [Lynette Lewis] So Kirtland Dynasty we're actually in post-production right now and we're in the process of finding investors to finish the film. It was a two-year project where we followed the girls basketball team over their season and I wanted to tell the story because they are currently 22 time state champions and I want to put it out there because it's unknown to hear well for me I felt it was normal because you know coming from a place where basketball is everything like having that many state championships was normal to hear you know from where I'm from but when I have met people told them about about it people are fairly shocked when I tell them how many state championships they've won and so basketball being huge in the Native community I definitely wanted to showcase this team because of the dynasty they created in Kirtland with their girls basketball program and you know there's talent there in the community and I say in all Native communities but you know in the specific community we've had several girls go on to play college basketball some who have who have made it to the D1 level so you know I want to tell their story and it's not a lot of people know about Kirtland or the program so this is my way of you know showing that and highlighting them and the place where I grew up. [Ranger Eliana] Yeah and it's really important to highlight that because like I definitely didn't know about that and you know it seems like there's so many young girls that give so much of themselves to this sport and and they're so successful and they really deserve recognition. So you mentioned how important basketball is to a lot of Native communities so I've heard that before and I've also heard like about "rez ball" and I'm not really familiar with like what basketball means to Native communities and also like how the style of basketball might be different. Could you tell me like a little bit about that? [Lynette Lewis] Yeah so rez ball it is a style of play it's fast-paced a lot of people call it run and gun so you know make a basket you know you're just constantly running back and forth and and as far as basketball in the Native community I feel like it's like an outlet for a lot of young athletes because when you go to a lot of these tribal communities there's not much around as far as entertainment. So you know basketball being what it is when it comes to basketball season you know you see a lot of the community come together to watch a game to support their local team because I know for me living in New Mexico we never had any major sports teams in the area so basketball high school local high school teams were you know the…

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    Lakin Epaloose Speaks Feb 12, 2026
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    Hunting wildlife has been practiced by Indigenous tribes for hundreds of years in this region and many of those traditions are still practiced today. Although many may see hunting as a sport, it is also regarded as spiritually and culturally significant for tribes and pueblos such as Zuni. In this episode, Lakin Epaloose discusses his hunting experience throughout the years and the traditional-ecological knowledge he’s picked up along the way. Take a listen to this episode and we hope you all enjoy! ---TRANSCRIPT:--- [Lakin Epaloose] I would say that; understand that a lot of the traditional practices that have taken place in this entire landscape, which we call home, those practices are still passed down today. So we still continue to hold the cultural values that have kept our families together and families that support one another. So if you guys have family, then try to connect with them in different ways. Connect with the people you have close with you. [Meranden] Welcome back to Grand Canyon Speaks. I'm Meranden [Ranger Dan] And this is Ranger Dan. [Meranden] Throughout season three, we've been highlighting sports and athletes from the 11 tribes that call the Grand Canyon home. However, this one is a bit different. [Ranger Dan] Yeah, this time I spoke with Lakin, who is an intern here at the Park, and we covered topics revolving around hunting as a sport, but more importantly, hunting as a tradition. [Meranden] Hunting has both evolved and sustained its cultural significance for many of our tribes throughout the region, and Lakin shares his perspective as a Zuni hunter. [Ranger Dan] We hope you enjoy this episode and stay tuned for more of season three. [Lakin Epaloose] Good evening, everyone. My name is Lakin Epaloose. Ho’ Lakin Epaloose le'shinna. Ho’ Dowa:kwe deyan Suski:kwe a:wan cha’le. So Dowa:kwe is my clan, my first clan, and Suski:kwe is my second clan. Dowa:kwe is Corn clan and Suski:kwe is Coyote clan. I'm from the Zuni Pueblo, and that is located four hours east on the road, or 252 miles going on this Highway 89 to I-40, Gallup you head south from Gallup you'll get there yeah I'm from Zuni. Our Pueblo is pretty secluded and our reservation is located in this valley that sits between a mesa the mountains out east called Zuni mountains and some desert hills out to the west. I've been an intern here for about it's about a year now but my previous term was served under Arizona Conservation Corps and I'm an intern under ALCC which is this right here Ancestral Lands Conservation Corps. Because of the work we did we were able to get extended for another year so we'll be here until January [Ranger Dan] So I want to also emphasize the work that Lakin is talking about is normally he's on this side of the microphone where I am, actually doing the interviews with other people here so Lakin and Meranden are in charge of the Grand Canyon Speaks podcast. They've selected people that we do interview throughout the year here and our emphasis this year is actually focusing on sports and why they're so important to Indigenous communities that call the canyon home and hunting can kind of fit into these categories to a certain extent for outdoor recreation. But yeah this is I think this is the first time you've been on the interviewee side of a program here but yeah I'm super excited because I've gotten to know Lakin for over a year now since he started in last August. Yeah we've had a lot of conversations about a lot of different subjects and I think we've been able to identify that hunting is a really important topic especially for you because you go out a lot when you're back home and it's coming to the close of antelope season or pronghorn season too which I know you're hoping to bag one too. So I want to kind of get started with your history with hunting and kind of when did you when were you first exposed to hunting actually out at Zuni? [Lakin Epaloose] So I would say I started hunting around like age like five or six. I remember I would go like out with my dad and I remember the first time he let me shoot a gun which was a 22 rifle and yeah ever since like I've been hunting at that age I feel like I've picked up a lot of knowledge and skill because of my dad. Because he would be the main one I would go hunting with and then later on I would go hunting with my friends and even I would have the opportunity to teach my friends how to hunt and hunt specific things like birds or big game or small game even. [Ranger Dan] Yeah so is this like would you say it's kind of a generational thing where like you're learning from your dad, did he learn from his dad on how to go hunting and learn the landscape as well? [Lakin Epaloose] Yeah he would tell me that he used to go hunting with his dad, specifically deer hunting and so that was one big game that they focused on and then later on he would learn how to hunt turkey. And so after that he taught me how to hunt turkeys which is like I would say it's similar to hunting elk because when you're like hunting turkeys, especially in the spring, you're locating where they're roosting and with elk too, you're locating where they're bugling and where their herds are moving through. So that's pretty much the same approach you take. [Ranger Dan] Okay. How many different seasons do you have to go hunting? Because I know you're into bow hunting but also rifle as well but that takes you into and just long gun I should say and it takes you into a bunch of different animals that you do hunt throughout the year. So how many times how many different animals do you think you go after a year. [Lakin Epaloose] You can go all year round but there's specific times during the year where hunting isn't allowed like during our fasting which occurs in the winter and during the summer. One of the purposes for fasting is to preserve our resources and to give the Earth a time to rest and the wildlife time to rest as well. There's like specific rules when it comes to hunting birds in the summer. So just to let y'all know and to let everyone know listening; Zuni tribal members are allowed to have feathers and hunt specific birds but during the summertime there are specific birds that come into this region, and they're known as migratory birds. In Zuni they're also known as summer birds and the feathers and the birds themselves just represent the monsoon rains that start to come through the region during this time of year specifically like July through late August and during this time year those same birds come up from Central America and Mexico. And it's understood that they travel with the rain so that's why they're important culturally because we rely on the rain for our dry land agricultural practices. So we associate that with the wildlife that inhabit this region during this time year. [Ranger Dan] And so are you also saying that like Zuni has the ability to take different birds that other people don't have the ability to? [Lakin Epaloose] Yeah, like I said majority of the birds that are used for cultural purposes are able to be harvested by tribal members. There are other birds that you can't kill legally like eagles. You keep them as pets and that's the traditional way of taking their feathers. A long time ago they would hike up to cliff sides or into the mountains to look for the eagle nests and they'll find the egg and they'll take that back home and they'll take care of the eagle until it reaches its old age. So the eagle becomes their pet. Same thing with the parrots and macaws. Before we reached Zuni during our migration, we used to inhabit different regions or locations in the southwest that are regarded as ancestral sites and in these ancestral sites we were connected with other Puebloan civilizations and cultures that ended up moving down into Mexico. So we sustained those connections and one of those examples is we would trade feathers and the birds themselves the macaws and so our people took care of macaws and still do to this day. And so if you're ever in Zuni, you might meet a family who has a macaw as their pet or an eagle. So that's pretty cool to know but to go back to your question how many seasons there are, there's winter; so usually during the wintertime you'll find a lot of the birds like Clark's nutcrackers which are located in the Park at Grandview. They're pretty cool when you get up to them they're these in Zuni they're called lohaya bo’ya because their head is gray and their feathers on their wings are black and they have a little white patch on their shoulder. So there's that and there's other birds like flickers, woodpeckers, and bluebirds there's mountain bluebirds and the western bluebirds which kind of have a different color so I'll use you two as an example. The feathers on the mountain bluebird are like that color. Western [bluebird] is more like that blue so that's pretty cool to know and I'm glad you guys wore those shirts. [Ranger Dan] Yeah I think they planned it. [Lakin Epaloose] Yeah. It was a planned thing. Springtime is usually turkey hunting season, so turkeys will breed in the springtime and they will usually be like toms which are the mature turkeys or the gobblers. They'll be with their hens and so you can use different types of turkey calls to lure the toms in and whenever you go turkey hunting you can also go bird hunting. Summertime is like I mentioned a time to hunt the migratory birds like the Orioles or in Zuni they're called Ono’łikya and the different types of buntings like those lazuli buntings, indigo buntings, the grosbeaks and they're all very colorful birds the tanagers too western and summer. Those are yellow red and the summer tanagers are all red. So yeah there's a bunch of different cool birds and each of those birds have unique Zuni names and also like one vision I have is to create a book that has all these names of the birds identified in Zuni and in English and also the ornithological terminology for each of the species. So I feel like that information is important because it not only is significant in identifying birds but also the words themselves carry knowledge. For example there's this one bird that it's kind of leaving now because it's getting to the end of the summer but you might hear it every now and then it's called a violet-green swallow and on their back they're a very vibrant green and on their lower part of their back there it's a very vibrant purple And in Zuni they're called Awisho: Seto which means “algae back” and the reason why algae is important is because it resembles places where bodies of water are located for example springs and ponds and those springs and ponds are usually used as places of offering or collecting water for cultural purposes. So it's like you can connect the identification of a bird with specific locations that contain water or can contain other elements of nature that are culturally important. [Ranger Dan] And these birds also hang around these areas too they're skimming the water catching the insects that are off of them and so it's all connected into one location with this identification of the bird itself. So yeah you're talking about knowledge. From one bird we just got that much knowledge. [Lakin Epaloose] Yes exactly yeah and I'll go to the next season. That's fall season. That can kind of be my favorite because that's when big game hunting usually opens. So like Dan mentioned earlier, I have a antelope archery tag to fill. And for those who know about hunting and archery hunting antelope or pronghorn antelope is one of the hardest animals to hunt because not only do they have a good sense of smell like elk and deer but they're the fastest land mammal in North America and they have the eyesight almost as good as a hawk. So they can see you I believe up to five miles away. So usually with deer you do this technique called spot and stalk. You'll find a place where they're going to bed or rest in the shade and then you'll kind of creep around to make your way closer to it based on the wind direction. So you go against the wind so that it won't catch your scent but the thing with pronghorn is they're usually located in vast open areas. The wind can be tricky in those open areas and they have good eyesight and they bed down kind of like how cats do. If you guys know how cats loaf, that's how pronghorn kind of bed down and also they'll spot you if you walk standing straight up they'll spot you easily so you're out of luck if you mess up. [Ranger Dan] Yeah [Lakin Epaloose] And they'll take off [Ranger Dan] Yeah it's a pretty quick animal. [Lakin Epaloose] Yeah so usually when you see people hunting them with bows and with a bow you can get up to I would say anywhere between 30 and 60 yards is a good shot. So that's about from here to Eliana back there that's about 30 yards or even like 25. 60 yards is about that bush halfway down that way so you kind of have that room to work with. But yeah I do like hunting pronghorn it's a very challenging hunt but when you fulfill it that satisfaction is there. Deer hunting is also my favorite because they're kind of in between elk and antelope they're pretty tough to hunt but when you do get it, it’s a nice feeling. And elk is also a fall animal that is hunted. It's funny because they're kind of stupid like I mean they're big and they'll come into pretty much anything especially if they're in the rut. Like I can do an elk call right now I'll do one. That's how a cow elk sounds. So like if you do that in the morning they'll bugle easily and that's during the fall time during their rut. [Ranger Dan] We got tp do that outside the apartment I want to hear this in the morning. [Lakin Epaloose] Yeah yeah that's one of my favorite animals to hunt because when they are coming in you can hear them crashing through the trees and it gets your adrenaline going especially in the morning after you wake up. So that's one cool thing to wake up to is the crashing and the bugling and they're very loud especially if you're in their area where there's like five bulls fighting that's one cool experience. [Ranger Dan] Yeah yeah that's cool. [Lakin Epaloose] But if you do get one I'll say like when you're field dressing an elk it's it smells. [Ranger Dan] Yeah. [Lakin Epaloose] Yeah like it just smells like elk pee. [Ranger Dan] That's nice. Yeah you got to be ready for that to get dirty when you're hunting especially dressing it out. Yeah you've touched upon a couple different topics along the way describing the seasons and what's available for hunting and one of the things that I would like to kind of take it back to you is I mean you're talking about information that's one of it's a huge thing within Zuni culture where you can pick one thing and there's so much to talk about it because that one object carries so much information. But if we start thinking about it, this is all passed down knowledge. This is traditional knowledge so what is the the history of Zuni and hunting altogether and like how is it important within the culture? [Lakin Epaloose] Yeah so hunting from the Zuni perspective isn't just harvesting game for the meat and for the parts but it also has a spiritual aspect. So one example is when you're hunting you're not just hunting like I said for the meat you're also... there's like this saying that it…

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    Malia Ukestine Speaks Feb 05, 2026
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    A small number of our Indigenous athletes are fortunate enough to showcase their talents at a collegiate level, and Malia Ukestine is one of those athletes! After overcoming an ACL injury in high school, she received a scholarship to play at Scottsdale Community College and shares this experience in this Speaks episode. Malia also describes details regarding traditional Zuni connections to Grand Canyon and how it’s carried on by today’s generation. Tune in to season 3 and enjoy this episode!

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    [Malia Ukestine]

    I feel like a lot of Native American people are overlooked just because of how small our community is, especially Zuni. So, me being in that positive light, it showed that we are resilient and that we are deserving of a chance to show our talents and abilities.

    [Lakin]

    Welcome back to Grand Canyon Speaks. This is Lakin.

    [Meranden]

    And this is Meranden.

    [Lakin]

    In this episode, I interviewed former Scottsdale Community College basketball athlete Malia Ukestine.

    [Meranden]

    Malia, who is from Zuni, described the journey of overcoming a torn ACL in high school to winning playoff games with her college team.

    [Lakin]

    She also discussed the traditional connections that the Zuni people have with Grand Canyon, namely Ribbon Falls and Whitmore Wash.

    [Meranden]

    Take a listen and enjoy.

    [Malia Ukestine]

    Keshi. Ho’ Malia Ukestine le’shinna. Hom annodi: Dowa:kwe deyan Donashi:kwe a:wan cha’le.

    Hello, everyone. My name is Malia Ukestine, and my clans are Corn and child of a Badger. I am currently 22 years old, and I graduated with my Associates at Scottsdale Community College with my general studies.

    And I am currently just working in the business industry. But yeah, I played basketball for two years at Scottsdale Community on a basketball scholarship.

    [Lakin]

    Nice. Is this your first time to the canyon?

    [Malia Ukestine]

    Well, I've been here when I was younger, but I don't really remember much. But yeah, it was very surreal. Like, I wasn't expecting it to be like this beautiful.

    And overlooking, you can see all the rivers and stuff, which I wasn't expecting. So that was pretty cool.

    [Lakin]

    Yeah, right now the river is running red because of the sediments being washed into the Colorado. So yeah, I'm glad that you find this place special. But we also want to know more about what does the canyon mean to you? And also, what does it mean to Zuni?

    [Malia Ukestine]

    Yeah, so the canyon is important to me and my people because it's where we originated from. There are petroglyphs, I believe, in the canyon where it tells how we came about and like the stories and our Zuni prayer as well.

    Some of the petroglyphs show how we came from the Zuni emergence, which I believe was from the Ribbon Falls. And that would be our fourth world under the Grand Canyon. So, it shows like how we came from underneath with our toes and tails and hands.

    So, we have a special and deep connection where some of our group leaders traveled down there and get materials that we use for our Pueblo for the same purposes as our ancestors did.

    [Lakin]

    So I believe you're referring to the Whitmore panel. And so for those listening, there's a petroglyph panel.

    And so it's way down on that end of the canyon. And Ribbon Falls is on the north corridor. So like Malia mentioned, there's some imagery that depicts the emergence story of our people.

    But circling back to your experience in college athletics, you did mention that you went to Scottsdale College for basketball. And we just want to know, like, what were some highlights of that experience?

    [Malia Ukestine]

    Yeah, I would say definitely meeting new people and getting a new experience outside the Pueblo, since that's where all I knew and where I was from. So definitely meeting new people.

    They became my second family, especially my roommates and my coaches. Like, if I call them, then I know they'll always be there for me. And I would definitely say, we made it to the finals.

    So, we won against one of our rivals, Mesa. And that was probably one of the best games that I played at SCC. And the crowd was so into it as well, which I love, like, every second of it.

    So I would say those would be one of my best experiences there from SCC.

    [Lakin]

    Yeah, and it's pretty exciting getting to hear the crowd get louder as the game gets into the fourth quarter. So that's pretty cool that you got to not only be in those moments but also be a participant in the actual game.

    So yeah, that's, that's cool that you got to be there. But did you have anyone that inspired you to pursue collegiate basketball? Or did you have moments in your life that inspired that?

    [Malia Ukestine]

    I from a younger age, I always knew that I wanted to go at a higher level and play. But I would say who inspired me the most would be my sisters, because they are younger than me.

    So, I wanted them to have someone to look up to and to show them that whatever you work at, you can get done in life with dedication. And also a point in my life, in my high school career, my basketball coach, coach Joshua Dupont, I would say he was one of my inspirations. Because during my junior year, I had torn my ACL.

    And that's when COVID was happening as well. So, it was just a tough mental space for me. And just having him like having my back and him always being there for me and just pushing me to be my best was very, very inspiring to me.

    And just he was, he always knew that I would be special and the next level. So just have him having my back, and him going through that whole experience with me. And so that would probably be one of my inspirations.

    And also my mom, she, she sacrificed a lot for me and my siblings. And she gave up a lot as well. And just her showing us that we can do it like on the next level by ourselves and just being ourselves and we can do whatever with hard work and dedication and just putting our time into whatever we want.

    [Lakin]

    Yeah, and it's always good to have those people close to you that always want to uplift you, especially family. And so that's why our community is we still sustain those cultural values is because our families are so connected in that way that you described. But also like the challenges that we experience, kind of help inform how we approach challenges in the future.

    Yeah. So as an athlete, and also a student, you represented the Zuni community in a positive light. Why is indigenous representation important in collegiate sports?

    [Malia Ukestine]

    I would say it's important because not many of us get to experience that college experience or definitely not playing sports while in college.

    So I feel like me having that representation gave Native athletes inspiration to grow into that light and to show them that they are capable of going on to the next level. And also, I feel like a lot of Native American people are overlooked just because of how small our community is, especially Zuni. So me being in that positive light, it showed that we are resilient and that we are deserving of a chance to show our talents and abilities.

    [Lakin]

    Yeah, and I definitely feel like every small effort to improve this representation matters, whether it's like, not only being an athlete, but also going to college and obtaining your degree in whatever it is that you find interest in. But I want to know, what message do you have for youth back at home who wish to pursue collegiate athletics?

    [Malia Ukestine]

    I would say to trust the process and that everyone is on their own path. Because for me personally, I was always overthinking and being like, why ain't I already at this level? Or just comparing myself to others.

    So I would just say, just trust the process and believe that everything happens for a reason and everyone is on their own pace on their own path. And if you are wanting to do collegiate sports, I would say definitely take the time to perfect your craft and take care of your body mentally and physically. Because it is a lot with school and like keeping your grades up and being with practice and wanting to perform great.

    So I would say definitely just keeping your mental at a good state and just getting that extra work in and keeping your body good. I mean, I was in the training room like 24-7. That was my second home.

    So yeah, that would be my advice.

    [Lakin]

    Nice. And so anyone listening to this, we hope that you do that.

    So yeah. Thank you, Malia. And we always throw in a fun question for our interviewee, but also for the audience.

    And our fun question is, it's pretty big. What's your favorite indigenous food?

    [Malia Ukestine]

    My favorite indigenous food? Hmm, well, probably the red chili soup with our Zuni bread. That would probably be my favorite.

    Or Chuleya:we, so pozole. But that would definitely be my top two. There's too many I can't pick.

    [Lakin]

    Do you like your red chili stew hot or mild?

    [Malia Ukestine]

    Hot. I definitely like it hot.

    [Lakin]

    Nice. Okay, we're kind of getting to the end of the program here. But did you have a message that you want to leave the audience with here in person, but also listening?

    [Malia Ukestine]

    I would just say thank you for tuning in with me and showing support. It was great talking about my community and where I came from.

    I would also like to see more Native athletes succeed. Just because like I said, we are a small community. And I feel like as a community, we are one.

    So definitely just going out there and experiencing the world or going to college, whatever you may do, it's always a good light.

    [Lakin]

    Nice. So we'll open questions up to the audience here.

    [audience member]

    Okay. You talked about you spent a lot of time in the training room, then that was like your second home in a way. I bet that was a lot of work.

    I actually have two. It's like, what did you what were some like things you did during training? And then I feel like that was a lot of work. So how did you like specifically take care of yourself?

    Because you said like, you'd take care of yourself mentally and physically. How did you like really achieve that yourself?

    [Malia Ukestine]

    Yeah, so like I said, I tore my ACL. So that training went to my knee and just getting it stronger. So we did lots of weightlifting, and just building my knee up back to where it was.

    And so after that, some treatment we will do would be ice baths or heating pads. And also we would, I forgot it was like these air compressions where they would go on the legs and just compress your legs. So that was probably one of my favorite ones.

    But other than that, for mentally, I would say just going out and just hanging out with my friends and being around my family that really helped me mentally. And even like, even though my family wasn't with me physically, I was, I always knew that they were a call away. So I will always call my family and like just check up on them.

    So I would say that really helped me mentally. And just being around like my friends and family.

    [audience member]

    I know this probably goes into the category of questions that you get a lot. Because you just graduated recently, right with the associate's degree. What are you because you're talking about business and like, what are you hoping to do with your career?

    [Malia Ukestine]

    Yeah, so I work in the car business.

    But right now, I do want to go back to school to go into nursing. So right now I'm just working. But once I go back, I do plan on going into the nursing program to be a travel nurse, RN travel nurse, I do want to travel the world and help people.

    So yeah, those are my plans.

    [Lakin]

    I kind of have a question. Since you work in the car business, do you have a favorite car or dream car?

    [Malia Ukestine]

    Yeah, Acura TLX.

    That'd be my mom's car.

    [Lakin]

    Okay, cool. That's it, everyone. Thank you all for coming. And thank you guys for tuning in online as well.

    [Ranger Jonah]

    Grand Canyon Speaks is a program hosted by Grand Canyon National Park and the Grand Canyon Conservancy.

    A special thanks to Aaron White for the theme music. This recording reflects the personal lived experiences of tribal members and do not encompass the views of their tribal nation or that of the National Park. To learn more about Grand Canyon First Voices, visit www.nps.gov/grca.

    Here at Grand Canyon National Park, we are on the ancestral homelands of the 11 associated tribes of the Grand Canyon. These being the Havasupai tribe, the Hualapai tribe, the Navajo Nation, the Hopi tribe, the Pueblo of Zuni, the Yavapai Apache Nation, the Kaibab Band of Paiute Indians, the Las Vegas Paiute Tribe, the Moapa Band of Paiutes, the Paiute Indian Tribe of Utah, and the San Juan Southern Paiute Tribe.


    Wendi Lewis Speaks Jan 29, 2026
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    Nahongvita! Askwali! Kwa’kwa! Just some of the words you may hear if you ever run a race at one of the Hopi villages. Wendi Lewis describes her running journey which ultimately influenced her to become a cross country and track coach. Now a head coach at Tuba City High School, she incorporates the cultural aspects of running for her team. She also tells us about her apparel business and how she uses it to help the community through fundraisers. ---TRANSCRIPT:--- [Wendi Lewis] The whole point of me starting the apparel company was that I wanted to do things for the community. I wanted to help, you know, people, like she said, kids need to go somewhere to run. I'll try to fundraise for them through the apparel, hosting races, with the apparel being, you know, the prizes that people tend to really like. And I finally was able to establish my own nonprofit based on the experiences that, you know, I was given when I was little. [Lakin] Hello everyone. Welcome back to Grand Canyon Speaks. This is Lakin. [Meranden] And this is Meranden. [Lakin] We really appreciate you all for tuning in to this podcast, especially this season. [Meranden] Today's episode is about Wendy Lewis. She is Hopi and from the village of Kikotsmovi, who is the boys cross-country and track coach at Tuba City High School. [Lakin] She talks about her business and how she uses it to help fundraise for her runners, how time culture into running is part of her coaching philosophy, and tells us about what you may experience if you ever run a race at one of the Hopi villages. [Meranden] It was a pleasure to speak with Wendi this past summer, and I'm excited for all of you to hear her story. [Lakin] Here is Wendi Lewis. [Wendi Lewis] Good evening, everybody. My name is Wendi Lewis, and I am from the village of Kikotsmovi. I'm Hopi. I'm Tawawungwa. My Hopi name is Kuwanhaysi That was given to me by the Coyote Clan. I'm very honored to be here, so. [Meranden] Awesome. [Wendi Lewis] Yeah. Thank you for inviting me. [Meranden] Of course. And in similarity, I am also Hopi as well. My clans are Piikyaswungwa and Tsuwungwa. Those are my Hopi clan, so both corn and snake. And then my Hopi name is Siikyatsumana, which means yellow snake girl. So those are some of our relations here with our tribes, and I'm very welcome to be joined here with Wendi because she's actually someone that a lot of people in our community look up to. But first of all, have you been to the Grand Canyon before? [Wendi Lewis] I've actually lived in the Grand Canyon for a brief period of time. I went to school here for part of my fourth grade year. Yeah, so my family has all of my grandma and grandpa raised their kids here. So I still have family that live here in the village. [Meranden] Nice. Yeah, and then you reside in Tuba City, which is also where I'm from. But you are a coach at Tuba City High School, and I just wanted to ask, how did you start your running journey? [Wendi Lewis] I've been running for as long as I can remember. I feel like my running journey started when I got entered into a race and won it when I was like six years old. My mom married a coach for the Hopi High girls cross country team, and I had no choice. I just ran with them all the time, and that's been my life. That's how it started. And then you ran in school throughout high school? [Meranden] How far did you run? [Wendi Lewis] I ran all the way through junior college, Paradise Valley Community College. [Meranden] I ran two years there. Nice, and then that running seemed to have stuck with you to where you are now a coach. But what made you decide to coach high school cross country and track? [Wendi Lewis] I had a rocky journey trying to attain my bachelor's degree. In between all of that, I did coach at Hopi High School. I was an assistant coach for the junior high track team, high school girls cross country team, the team I used to run for, and then took a very long break. About four years ago, I started volunteering at Tuba City High School. The last couple of years, or I want to say last year, I finally got hired as the head coach for the for the boys program, and I just recently got approved to be their coach again this fall. [Meranden] Nice, and I know through this school, it's on the reservation, and you've been able to coach a lot of indigenous students. Through running, has it helped connect your runners to their culture? [Wendi Lewis] Yes, that's a big part of my coaching philosophy because that's how I was coached. And I just had this conversation. I was just volunteer coaching at a Hopi running camp out home, and you know, talking to them about how I was coached by my stepfather. I didn't realize until way later how important it was, the connection between life, between our culture as Hopi people, and the underlying reward of being a good runner. Like, you know, the emphasis was not on winning trophies. It was always about being respectful of tying in our culture into what we did at practice, and that's what I try to do now. As a head coach, it's a little bit tricky because I was raised traditionally at home, and coming into this this new community where there's a village right across the street from Tuba City, or two villages I should say, and so we have a mix of Hopi and Navajo, and it's, you know, I have to pay attention. You also have people who go to church, you know. Out home on Hopi, it was just Hopi, and it was easy, you know, but now it's about like finding a balance and trying to learn about their culture too, and trying to, you know, make those connections between how I coach the Hopi kids. I mean, and I try not to single them out, but I try to make that connection with all of them. It's a little tricky, but I'm trying. [Meranden] Yeah, and I know you said there's emphasis on the culture, and you were able to do that with the kids in Hopi. What is the importance of running to Hopi? [Wendi Lewis] The importance of running for Hopi is just getting our kids, our youth, our people to understand that we don't run for ourselves. We run for life. We run for rain. It's an interesting cycle of, you know, land farmers, and we rely on the rain to grow our corn. Our corn is very important for us in ceremony. Like all of the things we do, we rely on those things, and then just the respect for life, all living things. These are all like key things that we try to emphasize to our people on, you know, when we go out to run. It's a form of prayer. It's not physical activity, and so I think that's what makes it so important and special to us. There's so much more that we want to get out of it, and we recognize that just in general, and Hopi, I mean, you could be running down, just going for a run, and you know, we thank, we always thank. You ever run on Hopi, they'll thank you in our language, because we recognize that as prayer. So, Askwali is the version for a female, and Kwa’kwa is the version for a male. Anytime, you could, you don't even have to be racing. They'll see you, and somebody will yell that out to you, because that is what we believe running is about. [Meranden] Yeah, we see that really often when we have like any kind of race that's happening back home in Tuba, or pretty much, yeah, also there's another race that happens out more in the Hopi villages, whether it's the Lewis Tewanima race, there's people scattered all over thanking you for running. So, like she mentioned, it's prayer, and it's, we tried to continue explaining the importance of running, and what it means to us, and I know that you also are a business owner, and it does incorporate a lot of the importance of running, and what running means to us. Would you be able to explain a little bit more of what your business entails? [Wendi Lewis] Yeah, so I started a long time ago, and I have to give credit to, you know, someone who I know, I think I have to mention a little bit later, but I grew up running with her from high school on, and one of the comments one time was that, you know, I wish, you know, because we're so prideful in our running, and what we run for, and when we make it to another level of running, it was like, I wish we had something that we could, you know, that would show that we're Hopi, if we're running in California, or in the Boston Marathon, or, you know, anything like that, and it was, it was just something that stuck in my head, and then one year, my daughter was running high school, Hopi High, and they wanted me to design a shirt for them, so that they could wear it at state, and I really wanted that shirt to be something that, if any Hopi could see that shirt, they would know without words that it was Hopi, so, and I wanted to symbolize the strength of females, because females have this really strong role in our culture, especially our youth, you know, we consider them at their purest, in their youth ages, so I wanted to incorporate all of that. I came up with a shirt with some Hopi girls, all in the position of, like, holding hands, their eyes closed, and that was just based on my upbringing from my coach. Prayer was a big part of, in, in running, and so it's supposed to, like, symbolize that she's in prayer, and there's seven of them all in a circle, because seven compete in a race at the state meet, and so I just kind of put them all in the circle, and that's kind of what started it, and you guys can pass that around, that's her right there, just call her the mana, and so that kind of started everything, and from then, I just kept trying to figure out ways to make different types of designs that reflected our culture, trying to explain, you know, the importance, there's the shirt there that, you know, talks about prayer, or running is prayer, and so it's in the formation of a rain cloud using feet and heart, because there's a word of encouragement that you'll also hear people yell out to you, it's, you know, Nahongvita, it's a, it's a word of self-encouragement and strength, and so the heart, it talks about, you know, digging deep with your heart, and so that's why I wanted to incorporate feet and heart in that design, as a symbol of prayer that we hope would bring the rain, so that's my company now, it turned, I try really hard to keep it going, I do also have a little boy, so I wanted the female to represent Hopi, certain aspects of Hopi female strength, and it took me a few years to do a boy, to figure out how I wanted to represent the boy, and like I said, you know, farming is so important to us, it is our culture, and I wanted the boy to reflect that, I hear, listen to stories about the history of our, the strength of our men, back when they used to run to the fields instead of drive their trucks, back when they ran from village to village, but ultimately highlighting the importance of farming, so the little boy there is, you can see him, he is represented carrying a soya, which is a planting stick, and then in his hand is posume, it's a bag of seeds that is used for planting, so I shared this with my boys cross-country team this past year, and I explained to them the importance of, you know, even the Navajo, my Navajo boys, I don't think I have, I think I just have Hopi and Navajo boys running for me, but, you know, explaining the importance of the strength of what you believe in, and the things that you're taught and raised, giving them that to use as a reminder for what they're running for, more than just time and medals, yeah, but that's the business, I have little accessories and stuff that, I have a, I opened up a shop in Tuba City across, at the Tuuvi Travel Center, and when I'm able to open it, it's open, but yeah, so that's my business in a nutshell. [Meranden] Yeah, and I noticed that you have a couple different things in there, you sell shirts, leggings, what are some other things that you sell? [Wendi Lewis] Stickers, everybody loves stickers, I have running tops, some lightweight jackets, pullovers, girl pullovers, I do have running shorts that just have the design, whether it's the logo, or if it's a little boy, with the word run on it. A funny story, I forgot my running shoes a few years ago when I was running, registered to run a 10k in Sedona, and I had to run in my Crocs that I was wearing, and it was not an easy course either, it was very technical, but I just decided to make Croc charms, you know, if I, in case I ever have to run in my Crocs again, I will represent my apparel through, with the Croc charm, so I have those two, just keychains, little accessories, and things like that, yeah. [Meranden] I actually do own one of your leggings, because you do a lot of fundraisers for the students too, like that you're athletes, and I ran one, I wasn't supposed to, I wasn't going to, and then my mom's like, you should just go run, it was the morning of, and it's, my sister, I was supporting my sister, and then my mom's like, you should just go run, so I was like, okay, I'll pay the, I paid the fee, and then I was like, I don't have any shoes, and then my mom's like, I looked at my mom and she had tennis shoes, I was like, let me use your shoes, so I used her shoes and I ran, and then I did pretty good to where I got one of the prizes, which was one of her leggings, so yeah, I have something that's hers, but yeah, there's a lot of inspiration behind your business, and the clothing that you make, and running all together, who are some runners, or people that you look up to? [Wendi Lewis] Well, like I said, I, you know, my, my friend, her name is Caroline Sekaquaptewa, she's been running for, I mean, like, I met her in junior high, because, like I said, my stepdad dragged me to all his practices, and she, she had graduated already, but she started helping him, and I really connected with her at that young age, and she would take me everywhere to run with her. She runs to this day, I think she was, this past year was her 14th consecutive qualification for Boston. She's done three Ironman triathlons, and she's just, like, you know, she's just such a hard worker, so she's a big inspiration to everything I do, like, everything I want to make, I think of her, like, will she wear this, you know, would she wear this when she's running? Yeah, I have to say, like, I have to give her credit as, you know, my biggest inspiration for the apparel line, and things that I come out with. I run ideas by her. I have brothers who are artists. I really value their artistic skills, so I, you know, reach out to them, and then my coaches, you know, my coaches that have supported me for as long as I can remember. Every time I do anything associated with running, I think of them, and hope that I'm making them proud. [Meranden] It's good that you have those people that you look up to, and then also, like you mentioned, she's helping you figure out items that you want to have included in your business, which is really nice. Much like how running is very important to Hopi, what importance does the Grand Canyon have to Hopi? [Wendi Lewis] The Grand Canyon is, it's very important to us. For me and, I mean, for Hopi, of course, but there was a lot of Hopis that grew up here, here in the village. I remember looking at my mom's yearbooks, and I see all these Hopi last names in there. I don't know what made them, you know, settle in this area, but I feel like, you know, they kind of were taking care of the area, and I, my grandpa was kind of like my father figure, and he raised me, but, you know, I feel like when I come here, I'm kind of connected w…

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    Kyle Awelagte Speaks Jan 22, 2026
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    In this episode, Ranger Grace interviewed Kyle Awelagte to discuss his cross country and track experience as a collegiate athlete. As Kyle is from the Zuni Pueblo, he describes the cultural significance of running and shares that his family has a multi-generational history of running in Zuni. Not only is he an athlete, but he is an artist: Kyle shares his work as a fetish carver and the spiritual connections that revolve around this ancestral form of creativity. Tune in to this episode and enjoy! ---TRANSCRIPT:--- Kyle Awelagte: I want to be able to teach the younger generation more about like the traditional and spiritual aspect of running and different art forms. I think that's my way of giving back to my community and keeping it thriving and living for as long as it goes Lakin: Hello everyone, welcome back to season three of Grand Canyon Speaks. My name is Lakin. Meranden: And this is Meranden. Lakin: In this episode, Ranger Grace interviewed Kyle Awelagte from Zuni Pueblo. Meranden: Kyle, who runs cross-country at Fort Lewis College, has centered his focus on passing down traditional teachings revolving around athletics and art. Lakin: From hosting a running event in his community to providing Zuni artists with business resources, Kyle looks forward to expanding on these endeavors in the future. Meranden: Take a listen to this episode and we hope you enjoy. Kyle Awelagte: Keshi, ko' don la:k'yadik'yana:we. Ho' Kyle Awelagte le'shinna. Hom annodi:we Dowa:kwe deyan K'yak'yali:kwe a:wan cha'le. Kyle Awelagte: Good afternoon, my name is Kyle Awelagte. My clans are Corn and Child of the Eagle, and I am from the Zuni Pueblo. And this is my first time here, so it's exciting. Kyle Awelagte: Thank you guys for all coming out and listening. Ranger Grace: Yeah, and thank you so much, Kyle, for being here. It's really cool to have you out here. Ranger Grace: And it's kind of hard to ignore the setting we're at. We are at the canyon, and the canyon's right behind us for those of you who are listening and not in the audience right now. And I do want to ask, just to get started, how does it feel to be at the canyon? Kyle Awelagte: When I first got here, me and Shanoah were driving late at night, and we happened to see cloud storms like this, and a thunderstorm really hit. And at one point, I was kind of scared, but I knew that my ancestors were looking down on me. That was kind of like a signal that I'm back where we emerged from. Kyle Awelagte: So I feel really connected to this place. It feels good to be here. Yeah, that's great. Ranger Grace: That's a good example of how sneaky those thunderstorms can be when they show up, but a good sign at the same time. We like rain out here a lot. So part of the reason you're at the canyon is not just for the Grand Canyon Speaks. Ranger Grace: Earlier today, you were demonstrating in the [Desert View] Watchtower as part of our cultural demonstration program, and there you were doing some, had some of your Zuni fetish carvings there. And to kind of let people who don't know, know about that, what is Zuni fetish carving? What were you doing at the time? Kyle Awelagte: Zuni fetish carving is a form of art and also a way of expressing Zuni storytelling and tradition. It's typically used from natural stones and seashells and sometimes some elk antlers. So what Zuni fetish carving is, is an artist creates an animal or a spiritual, so what I like to make is called corn maidens. Kyle Awelagte: So they have significance within our culture and the Zuni religion. A lot of it's used for some ceremonial practices and religious practices. And a lot of those pieces are for good omen. Kyle Awelagte: A lot of them hold significant power in them. And a lot of people back home say that they're alive and which they are alive. They're living creatures, or not living creatures, but like a living spirit within that rock in that stone. Kyle Awelagte: So that's why I do it just because of my culture and historical background on Zuni carving. Ranger Grace: Yeah. And what got you into Zuni carving? Like what was the moment you were like, I'm going to do this. And when did you start? Kyle Awelagte: I remember when I was like 11 years old, my dad, he had his little motor set up inside the house and he was blasting music at one point while I was taking a nap. And I went to go check in on him on what he was doing. And I saw that he had a piece of stone. It was angelite. Kyle Awelagte: It was a really bright blue, kind of like a baby blue stone. And he was creating something out of it. And I asked like, “what are you doing?” And he said, “just watch this.” And he made a bear in like 20 minutes, 10 minutes. And I thought that was like the coolest thing ever. Kyle Awelagte: So just from him explaining over the years, like what the purpose is and what like Zuni carving is, I saw that as like opportunity to learn and also opportunity to grow in my culture. So yeah, that's when I started really learning about Zuni fetish carving at age 11. And ever since then, he's brought me to trips like Santa Fe and different places. Just like, I just love the environment, like being able to be creative and have deeper meaning behind the art we make. Ranger Grace: Yeah. And when you say trips like Santa Fe, what do you mean with that? Kyle Awelagte: So usually in Santa Fe, New Mexico, they have like a big open like Indian market and a bunch of shops over there that sell like a bunch of Native American, different like jewelry, fetishes, just different stuff. And just being surrounded in that environment and looking what a lot of artists produce is something to be proud of. Just having that symbolism and different craftsmanship in like a big city is pretty cool to see. Ranger Grace: Yeah, it sounds like a really inspiring environment to be in, especially with those crafts. And speaking of environment, I feel like you really set the scene with the story of your dad kind of with the loud music waking you up. And you mentioned like having the tools for fetish carving. Ranger Grace: What is that process like? What goes into making a fetish? Kyle Awelagte: So they tell you to have good thoughts and good spirit when you're doing fetish carving, because that's what you ultimately want to put into the rock. Just good, good spirit into it. So you start off by getting your raw materials, like your rock you find. So it can be like turquoise, serpentine, marble, just whatever you have. Kyle Awelagte: And with that, we have a motor set up. So it's like, imagine like a motor that's in the middle, and that's the battery. And on the sides, there's a grinding stone. And with that grinding stone, what I do is I like to look at the rock and visualize what I want. Because if you force it, it's not going to want to go that way. You kind of just have to work with the rock and like the shape and what you see in it. Kyle Awelagte: So that's my second process. And I like to turn on music to like, make my spirit more happy. So I'll turn on like reggae or whatever I liked on the radio. And yeah, I'll just get like getting like good vibes going. And having like the people around me that I love, just watching me create something. But other than that, you create the stone using the grinding wheel. Kyle Awelagte: And my dad taught me to always like round it first and see what it comes out to. And a lot of the times it usually comes out to eagles. So I think eagles really speak out to me, and even bears. And with that, you kind of, you make the face for it. And you make the eyes because at the end of the product, it's living. So you want it to see. Kyle Awelagte: And you create these bundles. So I use like wax to wrap it around and put little pieces of turquoise or coral. It's a offering to it. Or you can either sprinkle cornmeal on it, just to give appreciation for what you created. Yeah, so it's really just working with the stone and using your grinding wheel to create what you want, or what it wants to become. That's why I always say because you can't force it. Kyle Awelagte: It's kind of a simple but kind of like a kind of joyful experience with it. It's also very dangerous too. Because you can like, sometimes I clip my finger with the grinding stone. And that's not too fun. But the music part is fun. And having my family and my dad teach me, that's the fun part. Yeah. Ranger Grace: Yeah, it feels better to focus on the fun than the dangerous part. Kyle Awelagte: Yeah. Ranger Grace: And you've been doing that for a long time then. Because you said you started at 11. You're 21. So about 10 years. Kyle Awelagte: Yeah. Ranger Grace: Which is a long time to be doing a craft like that. So how have you seen that process change over time? Kyle Awelagte: When I was 11, it took me like, probably like two weeks to like a month to even like, create something. Just because I didn't know what I was doing and how to work like the wheel and motor. Kyle Awelagte: But ever since like, just watching my dad and him telling me stories about like, you can't force what you want to make. Because that's what I would do at a young age, I would try to force it and the rock would just crumble and not go the way I want it and make me frustrated and not want to do it. But he just told me to have that patience and time and always come in with good spirits and listen to what the rock wants to have you make out of it. Kyle Awelagte: So just using those tellings from my father. So it really helped me develop as an artist and just a person in general, just life lessons and how I go about my heart and yeah, just my approach on it. So over the years, I've gotten better. Kyle Awelagte: I've never had like opportunities like this where I've been able to demonstrate to people like around the world or anything. I've always just did it just out of like habit, because it was always fun to me, just growing up, not really having anything to do besides sports. So when I have like, any like something on my mind, and I just want to take it off my mind, I just like to turn on the music and just go to work on my craft. Kyle Awelagte: So yeah, so over the years, it's really developed. Now I can like carve like with it like 30 minutes to an hour, depending on the stone. So I've gotten really better. Ranger Grace: Yeah, yeah, it's cool to be able to kind of give yourself to the process. Kyle Awelagte: Yeah. Ranger Grace: And really bring that energy to it and the intention. You mentioned there, sports as well. So not only do you do this craft and this art, but you're in sports as well. What sports do you do? Kyle Awelagte: Yeah, so ever since I was in elementary school, I've ran for the public school district for Zuni. And I started off when I was nine years old, is when I really started running. Kyle Awelagte: I started, yeah, I started to just run out of like, because my mom told me to, to get out of the house and do something. So I just started running. I thought I was going to be a basketball player. I mean, I was a basketball player, but I'm not, I'm not good. And then my direction was mainly towards running just because over the years I've learned that Zunis and other Native American tribes are really good in running. And they've always used that way, even back then, to get to places. Kyle Awelagte: They would travel long distances on their feet or even have like moccasins if they're lucky to run with. But I think just having that background in running is what really inspired me to go further and beyond than what I thought I could be capable of. So running's my, running's my thing. Ranger Grace: Yeah, and with running, you kind of lean towards this a little bit with what you just said. Like fetish carving, that also has really big cultural significance. So what is the cultural significance in the historical context of running for Zuni? Kyle Awelagte: So running is like just a way of life. I say it's a way of life of being able to, well, this is my perspective on running, being able to spiritually connect and mentally being able to get through things. So when I'm running, I usually pray in the morning to ask Sun Father for strength and guidance during like my runs. Kyle Awelagte: And yeah, so I would say that's like a cultural teaching I've put into running. So it's just, it's more than, I feel it's more than running, like just, you know, getting hyped for a race and being like, let's go, let's go run, like in that competitive era. But I see it more as like a way of healing, like being able to know I work for something and work for a group of people that are known, like being able to just to represent something bigger than myself through running. Kyle Awelagte: So like having that, having that background is something special and amazing. So yeah. Ranger Grace: Yeah, I've heard other interviewees use the phrase running with purpose. Kyle Awelagte: Yeah. Ranger Grace: That same thing of like having it be meaningful. Ranger Grace: And for you both running and the art you do, you started doing very young. And you've mentioned to me your kind of involvement and passion for Indigenous youth getting involved in cultural tradition. So what's the importance of that involvement for youth and cultural tradition? Kyle Awelagte: Just being able to continue the tradition through the younger generation, I think is important because grandparents and those with knowledge tend to pass down those teachings to younger people. And just having that ability to do that is what keeps your people alive and your way of living, I would say. Yeah, just that's, that's really important because in ancient times, that's all anyone had. Kyle Awelagte: We didn't have like a phone or text messages or like files or like, you know, iPads to like record anything. It was just orally taught, verbally or shown, like demonstrated towards the younger audience. So I really think it's important that our youth get involved with their ways of living or their traditional practices. Kyle Awelagte: Because when I was little, my mom and like my grandparents and just community members would just tell me these random stories and like what to do and what not to do. And I think that's the most important thing that someone can do to the younger generation. So with that, I want to be able to teach the younger generation more about like the traditional and spiritual aspect of running and different art forms. Kyle Awelagte: I think that's my way of like giving back to my community and keeping it thriving and living for as long as it goes. Yeah. Ranger Grace: Yeah. And on that note, like with all you've already been doing and with starting both your art and your running so young, you kind of already have implied in a way you are, but like, do you see yourself as a role model for Indigenous youth? Kyle Awelagte: Sometimes, sometimes I can be like, not really like a role model. I mean, I'm still like a, I'm like a young adult still living in this world and it's kind of hard to, but I try to be, when I go back home and the things I do, I'm careful with how I represent myself because I was, I was also that like little, little kid, like check, like looking at like the stars of like running and like the hardest, like I want to be like them. Kyle Awelagte: So sometimes I feel like a role model and sometimes I don't, but a lot of times I, I look back at my community and I think I've become a role model, a pretty good role model for the youth. Yeah. Ranger Grace: You make a good point. You're st…

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    Jason Amador Speaks Jan 15, 2026
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    This episode features Jason Amador, a member of the Colorado River Indian Tribes. ALCC Intern, Meranden, interviews Jason about his basketball career filled with highs and lows. Making his first appearance at March Madness was only one of the many accomplishments of his journey. With these experiences, he explains how he shares his story with native youth to provide them with motivation to go after their dreams, just like he did. ---TRANSCRIPT:--- [Jason Amador] Still the fact that, you know, playing in front of 12,000, 14,000 people, all the media coverage, seeing all the celebrities walk by, seeing, you know, where you came from at NEI, a school you never heard about. To now, Grand Canyon [University] playing against Maryland, and, you know, we're in the same venue spot as Oregon, U of A, Colorado State, and all these big time schools. It was just such an awesome and amazing season looking back at it now. [Lakin] Hello and welcome back to Grand Canyon Speaks. This is Lakin. [Dan] And I'm Ranger Dan. [Lakin] This episode features Jason Amador, a member of the Colorado River Indian Tribe, who is an athlete at Grand Canyon University. [Dan] He takes us through his basketball journey, where he faced injuries, the shutting down of his college, and family hardships. [Lakin] Through these difficulties, he was reminded by many support systems of how determination and discipline will strengthen him to better days. [Dan] Jason shares the triumphs of his career, going from his small hometown to D1 basketball, and how he uses his story to inspire Native youth of different tribal communities. [Lakin] And here is Jason Amador. [Jason Amador] Before I introduce myself, I just want to say thank you to the Grand Canyon National Park and the staff and Meranden for allowing me to come out here and speak to you guys today. So my name is Jason Amador. I'm a member of the Colorado River Indian Tribes, which is located in Parker, Arizona. It is the western side of Arizona, close to Lake Havasu. On my mom's side, I'm Navajo. My clans are Coyotes Pass Clan and Two Came to the Water. And on my dad's side, I'm Mojave and Quechan. I went to Parker High School, where I graduated. And then from there, I got a scholarship to go play basketball at the University of St. Catherine, which is an NEI school located in San Marcos, California, which is San Diego County. And from there, I got a chance to go play over at Grand Canyon, where now I'm studying for my Master of Science in Leadership. [Meranden] Awesome. Okay, and a quick question. Have you been to the Grand Canyon before? [Jason Amador] I have been to the Grand Canyon before when I was young with my family and a couple years ago. And it feels like every time when I visit the Grand Canyon, it looks like a perfect picture. For me, I'm not too fond of heights, so I kind of stay away from the rim. But every time I come, it's just super beautiful, and it just always takes my breath away when I look at it. [Meranden] We're really interested in just understanding how you got into basketball and what really kicked off your basketball journey. [Jason Amador] So for me, growing up, I had a best friend. His name was Damian, and I consider him a brother now. So when I was in kindergarten, it was a funny story. I had no friends the first day, and I remember Damian was sitting on the bench outside of our class. I didn't know him at the time. I sat on the bench with him, waiting for class to start, and he had a Pop-Tart. And any other Pop-Tart comes with two pieces, so he gave me one, I gave him one. And that's kind of how our friendship started. So from there, like any other brother, you want to be close with them and spend time with them. So for me, I was always into football, but he loved basketball so much, he got me into basketball. So we created a local reservation team called the Arizona Outlaws, and Damian's mom and my dad actually worked together at the Special Diabetes Project on a reservation. So we made an AAU team called the Arizona Outlaws, and we played in all these local tournaments all over. And me and Damian every day always were brothers. We pushed each other every day. We worked out, played basketball all the time, spent the night at each other's houses, did Halloween together. We did everything together. But unfortunately, the day before sixth grade starts, me and my dad were out in Vegas getting hats made for the whole team to surprise them. And I remember sitting in the store, and I remember my dad gets a phone call, goes outside, and I'd never seen him act this way. So I was kind of surprised and kind of like, what's happening? So I just remember he told me, came to the side and said, hey, Damian and his family, they got in a car accident. And unfortunately, they didn't make it. So for me, from that moment and that day on, I knew I wasn't playing for myself no more. I was playing for something bigger than myself. And that's what made me and kicked off my journey to go do what I do now. So for every day, whenever I wake up, that was something that instilled a spark in me. And for me, whenever we played a tournament from that day moving on, it rained. And for us in Native American culture, when it rains, it means something sacred. It means they're kind of watching over you. And literally for like two, two and a half years, every time we had a tournament, it always rained. And for me, that's something that always kicked off my basketball journey. And that's where it got me in today. And just kind of knowing that he's up there and his family and he's watching over me. And I know he's proud of me. And I'm trying to do my best to make him proud. [Meranden] Yeah. Wow. That's a really great way to keep you inspired. You know, and I know that this started really young and you made your way to high school. And how did you go? How did your basketball journey continue after high school? [Jason Amador] Yeah. So after high school, you know, growing up in Parker High School, I'm pretty sure a lot of you guys haven't heard of Parker. So knowing that when I was going into my sophomore, junior and senior seasons, I wasn't getting recruited a lot. I had all these accolades. I was Player of the Year, Offensive Player of the Year, First Team All-State. I was a McDonald's All-American nominee. I had all these thousand points, club, had all these accolades, first team, everything. I wasn't getting looked at. No schools were reaching out to me. And looking back at it now, what I know now is that a lot of these recruiters and a lot of these college coaches, they don't go out to the reservations to seek and recruit kids. They go to the big cities like Phoenix, Las Vegas, California, all these big-time cities. So for me, going into it, I was like, why am I not being recruited? And I just remember going into my senior season, reaching out to all these schools, sending out my tapes and everything like that. I got reached out to by a coach, Kevin Williamson, at a D2 camp called Cal State San Marcos in San Diego County. This camp was the day after my graduation from high school. And this was my last chance to go play college basketball. So we woke up at 4 in the morning, took off to the camp, drove there. And getting there, I always think about it, too, because it's always crazy to look back and think about the journey along the way. And I know when I got there, I had my best performance. I knew that this was my last chance to go try to make the college basketball team, pursue my dream. This was my last chance. Going through all the drills, I couldn't miss a single shot. My family came up to me, like, have you missed? I'm like, I have not missed, you know, going off screens, you know, like dunking the basketball, like everything like that. I was doing everything I could to stand out. And I remember it came down to the All-Star game. A lot of these college coaches and camps host an All-Star game where the seniors and juniors play against each other, and they see who they want to recruit, and the freshmen and the sophomores. And I remember when it was time to get picked, I was going into it. And I remember the coach looked at me, and he put me with the freshmen and the sophomores. And for me in that moment, it was really, like, looked upon like that was the first time I ever had my confidence taken away from me, because I worked so hard. I had all these accolades. I knew I was a good basketball player. But for a coach to look at me and to say, hey, you're going to be the freshmen and the sophomores, I remember my family saying, like, yeah, go out there, you know, make sure you kill it. But for me in that moment, it was a lot of hard. It was really hard for me to do that, because that was the first time I ever had anything taken away from me like that. So I just remember, like, I didn't want to, like, play my hardest. I was like, this is it. And then after the camp, I talked to the head coach, and he was like, yeah, like, we could try to make something work, enroll into school, and come to me on the first day, and we could see what we can do. So it didn't work out, and I remember I was in the parking lot. The assistant coach that invited me out, he was walking away, and my dad told me, he was like, I did everything I could for you up to this point. You know, I can't talk for you anymore. Like, you're a grown man now. Like, it's time for you to go speak up for yourself, and this is your dream. You have to go chase it. And for me, I was always a shy kid. I never liked talking to people. I always shied away. So for me in that moment, I knew my dream was walking out the door. So I chased after him, said everything I could in a minute, and I got his contact information. He actually knew a former player of mine that came out from Parker. His name was Vegas Davis, and we made that connection really well. He ended up leaving Cal State San Marcos, and he became the head coach at the University of St. Catherine. And going into the summer, I remember getting a phone call from him, and he said, yeah, Jason, I want you to be my first recruit. So he gave me a scholarship, and that's where I ended up going after high school. [Meranden] Wow. So all the determination, all that work, it really paid off, right? Yeah. And then, like, after that, you were able to go to something greater, like going from that to now GCU. What made you choose GCU? [Jason Amador] So what made me go to GCU, I wish I could say, you know, it was as simple as they reached out to me. They got my film. They reached out to my coach, and it was simple as that. They wanted me. It was not the case. So I ended up going to the University of St. Catherine, which was an NEI school, and it was the smallest Orthodox Christianity school in the country. And when you think of university, you think of, like, tens of thousands of students, all these big resources, everything. So I ended up going there. It was about 150 kids, and they were 90 to 95 percent all athletes. It was an all-athlete school. So when I went there, it was literally like a two-story building when I first got there. So going there, you know, I was just so grateful for the opportunity to go play another four years. So I had a great time doing that. Played against a lot of great D1 schools, San Diego State, Long Beach State, Utah State, Cal State Fullerton, Arizona State. But along the way, I noticed I had some pain in my hips. So at the age of 20, after my first year of college basketball, everyone was telling me, oh, like, you probably got tight hips, keep stretching. So I kept doing that. I kept playing through it. And I got to a point where I noticed I couldn't play defense no more. I couldn't sit in the car for too long. Like, it just started hurting. So finally, I go get an MRI, and they tell me that I need double hip surgery and that all my ligaments, most of them, have been torn. So for me, I had to get double hip surgery at the age of 20. And trust me, that's not any way how you want to spend your summer is when you get double hip surgery, you're in a bed for two months. You can't walk. You're in a wheelchair having to have your parents, you know, wheel you around the house and help you shower and help you go to the bathroom. I won't go too far into that because I don't want to think about that anymore. But it was just a lot of adversity along the way. We don't have the resources as the big schools, you know, like our coach had a saying, and it was FIO. It was figure it out. And that came to, like, rooming, being cramped in, like, little small vans, going to away games, only getting one meal a day. So going into that, you know, after my surgery, I was out for a year and a half. A year and a half is a long time in college basketball. It's like dog years. Like, you have a certain clock when it comes to basketball and college basketball. So for me, I was out for a year and a half. The first day I came back, I was rushing to get back. I was telling the doctors, like, I'm good. My hips are good. Like, I'm ready to play. So the first day I come back and the first practice, literally five minutes into our first drill, we're doing a post-up drill. And I remember I'm guarding my defender, and I had my hand on his back. As soon as I moved to put my hand away, he backed up into my hand, and I ended up breaking my finger. So after a year and a half of being out, first day I come back, I break my finger. So now I'm out, like, two more months. And for me in that moment, it's like I developed, like, a why me attitude. Like, why did this happen to me? Like, why do I have to go through all this stuff? And later I learned, like, God will humble you before he elevates you. And these are all tests along the way to make sure that you're capable and strong for it. So going into it, I go into my senior season. You know, I play. I had a great season. I had my career high on senior night. And a month before graduation, I knew I wanted to play. I had an extra grad year. I wanted to get my master's and play another year. I remember a month before graduation, I'm working on my senior thesis, and I get an e-mail from the school, and it's from the president of the school. And it says the University of St. Catharines has shut down effective immediately. And I'm looking at that. It looks like spam. Spam e-mail. So then all of a sudden my phone starts blowing up, and I look at my phone, my coaches. It's my teammates. It's my classmates. And I'm looking at it, and literally it's this e-mail right here, and that's how I found out my school shut down. Literally the grades were posted the same day. And I'm looking at it like, I've got to find a new school to play at. And I'm like, this doesn't seem real. Like, how did your school just shut down? So at that point, I'm wondering, like, if I'm going to get my credits, if I'm going to get my diploma. Like, what's going to happen to all the guys? Like, all my coaches, everyone's got to find a new school, a new home to play at. So going into it, I had to find a new home. And for me, I reached out to a lot of schools. I had a dream of playing Division I. And for me, I was fortunate enough to reach out to all these schools. And looking back on it now, it's pretty cool. As a kid from a reservation, talking to schools like San Diego State, Long Beach State, Washington State. GCU, you know, it didn't really cross my mind. But looking back at it, I knew I wanted to play in front of my family. And the year before GCU, I spoke to Bryce Drew, who's the head coach at a summer…

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