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    Finding Your Summit

    Mark Pattison is a former NFL player, entrepreneur, philanthropist and mountaineer who is now climbing the Seven Summits. Through his life’s journey, business, sports & charity work, Mark has been fortunate to meet some of the world’s most incredible people who share their stories of how they overcame obstacles to succeed and what their driving force was.

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    Josh Sprague: Founder of Orange Mud talks about the challenges of work, play & life after starting a succesful startup and what it takes to succeed! Apr 24, 2020
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    148: Josh Sprague: Founder & CEO of Orange Mud talks about the struggle of trying to live a balanced life outside of the usual 9-to-5 workflow, while being a husband and father that is simultaneously running a company.

    Josh Sprague

    Like most every brilliant business idea, there is an initial spark, a pain point that needs to be soothed. For Josh Sprague, it wasn't just the typical focus on making money. He explains that it was the value that he placed on his time and his wife's time. "We started Orange Mud about 8 years ago. It was actually on an adversity note. It was after we had our first boy, and he was 3 months old at the time. I had just finished an Ironman, and I basically wanted a way that, forgetting Orange Mud or anything else, I wanted a way that my wife or I both didn't have to work mad hours. She was a corporate lawyer and I was a vice president of a medical device company."

    On this episode of Finding Your Summit Podcast, we talk with Josh Sprague, Founder and CEO of Orange Mud who gets into the nuts and bolts of his business. "Life is a special thing and you don't want to screw it up by just never being around. It really kind of forced me to kick off an idea that I had set back in my head for a really long time which was a bottle-based hydration pack that would allow me to carry my fluids, my cash for the Beer Garden after a race, some electrolyte gels and maybe other back-up nutrition, and my car keys so when I train or race I had just the bare essentials."

    What You Will Learn:

    How long has Orange Mud been a reality for Josh Sprague? "I thought that would be a cool little product to at least have as a side hobby. I thought at least it would keep my wife busy or myself busy. Who ever quit their day job? Then 8 years later as of January 2012, is when we started, as of January of this year we have been in business 8 years and man, we've got over 100 SKUs on the market, and we have two kids now, and no more for sure. It has been a wild ride, designing packs for runners and cyclists all around the world."

    Orange Mud clearly has the mind of an active athlete begin it. What do Josh Sprague's own athletic interests consist of? "My background was adventure racing, it was kind of the core of what one of my favorite sports is. I love to trail run. I love to mountain bike. But, adventure racing combines them both, plus navigation and rope work and all kinds of fun stuff.

    Why did Josh Sprague decide to design the hydration packs for Orange Mud to be worn over the shoulders as opposed to around the waist? "The really cool part of all of that as a designer, even when I wasn't a designer, is that I stared at my teammates' backs. You're racing with a team, always, in adventure racing. You are only as fast as your weakest link, and that is just the way it is in adventure racing. I spent just tons of time behind my teammates running because I was usually one of the weaker runners, and paying attention to how the pack moved and where it moved. Something that I consistently noticed is that your upper torso just doesn't move very much. It is basically just a slight up and down movement, and I always hated waist packs, like despised waist packs."

    Josh Sprague digs into the practical and health benefits of not utilizing a waist pack. "I cut a waist pack with water bottle holders apart. I took a ratchet strap from the back of my truck and I took a hotel sewing kit from one of my travels, and I sewed together this crude little concoction that was in my form that I wanted and mounted the bottle high up on my back. I believe that fluid should be stored on your back because that is where we carry weight. It doesn't make sense to carry weight on your chest. It is pulling your neck down. It is pulling your spine down."

    If you are wondering how much money it cost Jeff to get started with Orange Mud, he has the answer. "It took $54,000, if I remember right, that first year, of investment between just trademarks and patents and design and all that stuff. But, we got our product launched. It took 10 months. We launched our first pack in October of 2012. In the end of 2012 at the Somo Half Ironman, and man, it just spiraled from there in the triathlon trail-running world."

    Going Full-time with Orange Mud

    Josh worked his day job for the first three years of launching Orange Mud and his wife worked the first year and a half of the company being started. What was the conversion like for Jeff when he doubled down on Orange Mud and made it his full-time effort? "When I quit, I budgeted $100,000, and I had it just sitting. I'm like, you know what, we burn through this, there is a Plan B. Not sure what the Plan B was going to be. I would probably be going back to work. I wasn't going to burn more than that. But, I knew if I could actually work 100 hours a week on Orange Mud as opposed to 80 at one company and 60 and nights and never sleep, I thought, surely I can actually make this more profitable."

    Market Growth

    During this episode of Finding Your Summit Podcast, Josh Sprague also talks about the ways in which Orange Mud has grown exponentially. "We are distributed in about 40 countries now. I haven't done the latest count. But, somewhere in that range. Mostly internationally it's all packs, which is awesome, and then in the U.S. it's mostly towels and packs of course, and the whole product line. So, the Running World article was a turning point for us, and again, managing that cash flow and staying on it like a hawk. It's not that we don't gambles. But, we are cautious as we grow."

    Links to Additional Resources:

    • Mark Pattison: markpattisonnfl.com
    • Emilia's Everest for the Epilepsy Foundation: markpattisonnfl.com/philanthropy-wb/
    • Orange Mud Website: orangemud.com
    • Contact Orange Mud: sales@orangemud.com
    • Orange Mud's Social Media: YouTube Instagram Twitter Facebook

    Kenyon Salo: How this public speaker & professional skydiver for the Denver Broncos helps us to navigate the Coronavirus. Apr 17, 2020
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    147: Kenyon Salo: Lead Trainer and Keynote Speaker of Kenyon Salo Speaking, 'Checklist Destroyer' and Founder of The Bucket List Life, and Denver Broncos Skydiver, talks about overcoming the fears that hold us back and embracing and committing to the unknown to reach our peaks of being phenomenal.

    Kenyon Salo

    Learn from Kenyon Salo how he embraces the mindset of looking uncertainty right in the face and pushing right through it. "I've always decided that nothing happens to me. It is how I react to it. And sure, I have my days where I am like, whoa, this is nuts and I'm being challenged by it. But, at the same time, I'm saying, well, what is the opportunity? And it is like something you said, the opportunity here. What is the opportunity to succeed? What is the opportunity to learn today? What is the opportunity to help somebody? What is the opportunity to make myself a better person? And just take a look at the world because, at the end of all of this, it will still be a shared experience that we will all talk about for years and decades to come, and it will be something like, wow, remember when? What did you do to get through it?"

    On this episode of Finding Your Summit Podcast, we talk with Kenyon Salo, Lead Trainer and Keynote Speaker of Kenyon Salo Speaking, 'Checklist Destroyer' and Founder of The Bucket List Life, and Denver Broncos Skydiver, talks about what it means to him to be phenomenal. "Every single day we have an opportunity to decide how we are going to participate in that day. We can show up at 50%, 75%, or 100%. Ultimately, the way I look at it is, I'm alive. I have a day ahead of me. It is a day I didn't know I had, and all of a sudden, my eyes open up. I've got a chance to take advantage of it."

    What You Will Learn:

    Kenyon Salo is one of five members of the Denver Broncos Thunderstorm Skydiving Team, which means he has done over 6000 skydives. He discusses the significance of this opportunity. "We've been doing it for over 10 years now and we are the only team that is associated with an NFL football team. Sometimes there is military, sometimes there is Red Bull for other stadiums. But, no other NFL team has a dedicated skydive team for every single home game, and we jump in coming in at 50 miles-an-hour, 60 miles-an-hour, down the stands, straight down the field and then landing right before the endzone and it is really all for the fans."

    What does skydiving do for Kenyon's mindset in terms of the way he approaches his life? "Basically, what happens is, once we have exited the plane, that is the commitment. Well, what does that really say? It is really coming down to the fact that, all of our fears and all of our things that are keeping us from doing what we want to do in life is the story we create prior to the execution. Prior to the commitment. It is all 'what if, what if, what if?' But, what if you just took a leap and then let it all unfold?'

    Where does Kenyon's confidence to take a leap of faith time after time come from? "You say 'yes' and you let the 'how' figure itself out later. And so, that's what happens. We exit the airplane, and it's like, Bam! It's game time. It's a mindset. You know about game time. You know what it takes to have that winning success, and that is really what it comes down to, is that we exit, game time, go, land on the field, high-five the fans on the way out, and we're fired up, and that energy is there. So, they're fired up. We're fired up. Everybody wins."

    Kenyon Salo expresses what he means by living a 'bucket list life.' "The bucket list life is the concept that I came up with. It's how I live my life and additionally it's the exact concept that I share from the stage with audiences around the world. It has three very basic parts to it. The first part is, if you ever feel stuck in life, you just need to create an experience. Say 'yes.' Let the 'how' figure itself out later and create an experience.

    What are the other two elements of Kenyon's Bucket List Life philosophy? "The second part is to share more stories and share more stories is about connection. It is the opportunity to connect, to bond. It is about friends and family and relationships, and I believe that is really important because that is how we feel like we are somebody and we are able to learn, and we're also able to share what we learn. Then it rolls into the last part which is living more fulfilled, and the way we live more fulfilled is by helping others."

    The Daily Bucket List Life

    Kenyon Salo gives some insight into how he applies the Bucket List Life to his own life on a regular basis. "Ultimately, what it comes down to for me to feel phenomenal, like you said, not that many people are phenomenal, is that I need to be doing one, two, or three of those things at any given time and in any possible way. So, being on a podcast is sharing a story. I'm sharing my story and I'm able to share with you and hear your story and that type of thing. Now it is quite possible that this podcast could help somebody else. It is quite possible that somebody listening right now is going, that is exactly what I needed."

    When Skydives Stop

    During this episode of Finding Your Summit Podcast, Kenyon Salo also talks about the circumstances that have prevented a few of his potential skydives from taking place. "In that scenario, we shouldn't be there if that's the case. So, have there been times when we have been over the stadium and we have had to back out of the jump and not actually get out of the plane and go back to the drop zone and land the plane? Yes, and that was because of weather conditions. Whether the clouds became too low all of a sudden, or there was a thunderstorm, or the winds gusted up, or for whatever reasons, we are unable to exit. You know, that usually happens about once a season when that becomes a factor. Sometimes we don't even take off in those scenarios."

    Links to Additional Resources:

    • Mark Pattison: markpattisonnfl.com
    • Emilia's Everest for the Epilepsy Foundation: markpattisonnfl.com/philanthropy-wb/
    • Kenyon Salo's Website: kenyonsalo.com
    • Kenyon Salo's Social Media: Linkedin | Facebook | Twitter | Instagram

    Rocky Bleier: Former NFL great who served in Vietnam, was shot and then hit with a mortar and then came back to win 4 super bowls for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Apr 10, 2020
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    146: Rocky Bleier: NFL Running Back with the Pittsburgh Steelers, Owner and President of Rocky Bleier Inc, and Managing Member of Bleier Insurance Group talks about going from getting drafted to play football in the NFL and suddenly getting drafted into the U.S. Army to serve in the Vietnam War.

    Rocky Bleier

    Rocky Bleier is from Appleton, Wisconsin, and was raised by his dad and lived above his family bar. "We also got a great coach which becomes important, a mentor, being at the right place at the right time, a guy by the name of Torchy Clark, who was a grade school basketball coach and had continuous winning records, got the high school job. He took a bunch of guys and in that period of time that we were in the conference we never lost a football, and we lost four basketball games. We became the number one team in the state of Wisconsin in football and the number one team in basketball."

    On this episode of Finding Your Summit Podcast, we talk with Rocky Bleier, NFL Running Back with the Pittsburgh Steelers, Owner and President of Rocky Bleier Inc, and Managing Member of Bleier Insurance Group. "All we can ask for in our lives is a chance and an opportunity and it is what you do with that opportunity and it is like the luck of the luck. Luck is based on what? Preparation, which means opportunity, it's called luck."

    What You Will Learn:

    Rocky Bleier explains how it was possible that he made the Pittsburgh Steelers team after being selected in the 16th round of the NFL draft. "I really, truly believe that the reason was primarily the fundamentals that I learned while I was at Notre Dame, how to read defenses, more importantly, how to block, pick up blitzes, and the thought process on the running ball. I wasn't a fast guy."

    What was it like to make it to the Pittsburgh Steelers and then get drafted into the U.S. Army? "I got drafted by the military, it was December 2nd, 1968. So, I got a chance to play 10 of 14 games. We were getting ready for the 11th game and all of a sudden, Boom, I got that draft notification report the next morning at 7am to be inducted into the armed services."

    Rocky Bleier paints the picture of when he got wounded during the Vietnam War. "I see a hand grenade flying through the air and it hits my commanding officer right in the middle of the back. You could see it in slow motion going over and over and over and boom! Hits off of his back, bounces off of him and rolls towards me and I'm but three feet from him and I get up to jump and it blows up and it blows up through my right foot, knee, and thigh and it gets him between both legs. Then we were in another fire fight until a platoon finally fought its way down. The enemy retreated, maybe because we either wounded and/or killed their leader. But they all of a sudden withdrew. Thank God for whatever reason that happened."

    Rocky expresses what it felt like to get shot. "It was like, adrenaline took over. You get shot. Bam! It was a hit. It was like somebody punching you as hard as they could in your arm or your leg, and the second thing is that when the grenade went off, it blew me up in the air, you know, and I came down. My first thought was, is everything alright? My leg was there. Ok, fine. My foot hurt. My knee hurt. A guy came over. Nobody could give you anything. Nobody could give you a morphine shot at that time."

    Rocky Bleier shares a highly emotional story of revisiting Vietnam 50 years later where he was shot. "Wow, all of a sudden Mark, out of left field I get this emotional reaction from the bottom of the soles of my feet. I could just feel it coming up through my body. I'm confused. I don't understand where it is coming from or why. It's there. There is nothing that triggered it...except for the question of, how do I feel? I couldn't help myself. I started to cry. All of a sudden I became kind of sick. It was like it was flushing my system."

    From the Battlefield to the Football Field

    Coming back to football wasn't as easy as it may have seemed. "I asked if I could go to training camp. Maybe I went back too soon. Who knows. And it took its toll and it took its beating. They kept me to the last cut. Chuck Knoll said, 'We release you. Go home. Go do what you need to do. Come back next year. We will give you another shot at this. The next day I got a call from Dan Rooney who was then the president of the football club and he said, 'I'm sorry I wasn't there.' He said, 'I talked to Chuck. We aren't going to take any room in his roster.' He said, 'But, we're going to put you in injured reserve. I want our doctors to take a look at you again, and I think maybe there is something they can do. Hopefully you can help us at the end of the season.' So, they bought me a year."

    Playing for the Pittsburgh Steelers

    During this episode of Finding Your Summit Podcast, Rocky Bleier also talks about the importance of recognizing your talent and personalized skillset. We all have a talent, of one nature or another of how we can achieve and get to that point, and you have to understand what that talent may be. Different from anybody else's. But, it is yours, especially in what you do with it. Because of that one talent, my life came full circle. I got that opportunity to play and end up on one of the all-time great football teams."

    Links to Additional Resources:

    • Mark Pattison: markpattisonnfl.com
    • Emilia's Everest for the Epilepsy Foundation: markpattisonnfl.com/philanthropy-wb/
    • Rocky Bleier: Linkedin

    Kevin Rutherford: Chief Eternal Optimist (CEO) of NUUN Hydration tabs and the keys to happiness. Get inspired... Apr 03, 2020
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    145: Kevin Rutherford: CEO and Chief Eternal Optimist of Nuun hydration talks about growing his business insights and bouncing back from getting let go from one CEO position to landing his current role at Nuun and helping to spur its steady impressive financial growth.

    Kevin Rutherford

    Nuun is the second company where Kevin Rutherford has held the job title 'Chief Eternal Optimist.' He shares with Mark Pattison what this label means to him. "The truth is, we need to find the issues and fix them, and so I think sometimes when people see a title like 'Chief Eternal Optimist,' self-proclaimed by the way, I don't know if my team agrees with me, hopefully they do, it doesn't mean that everything is rosy, right? I think that is the myth. An optimist believes that we can solve it and we can continue to move forward. But, it doesn't mean that everything is always great. In fact, far from it on many occasions. But, it takes the optimist to see the solutions. Otherwise, you're only going to see the problems and you're only going to stay stuck there."

    On this episode of Finding Your Summit Podcast, we talk with Kevin Rutherford, CEO and Chief Eternal Optimist of Nuun hydration. Hear how he explains the philosophy of having an 'attitude of gratitude.' "The attitude in going in with this 'I've got this abundance mentality.' So, a lot of gratitude becomes contagious within a team. And so, the reason I think that it is bigger than that is you can't accomplish really almost any goal, including what you are about to take on right now. So, Everest is the last of the climbs that you are going to do. You couldn't do it without a team to help you prepare and get ready for that."

    What You Will Learn:

    Kevin Rutherford shares the importance of maintaining a strong team. "In my mind, culture is the single biggest advantage in any team. Business, sport, doing your case studies in grad school or something like that. Like, truly, the single most biggest advantage is all about the team. There is plenty of data that shows the accumulative IQ of a team is always much greater than an individual. And so, that is the greater part that truthfully gets me fired up. The product is one thing. What gets me fired up actually is getting the team rallying behind our cause."

    Was there a moment in time that Kevin Rutherford had in his past prior to Nuun, where the impact of gratitude struck him clearly? "I need to be part of a team as opposed to consulting because I'm not getting energy from that. I realized that I think I have a gift of connecting people and helping people and helping them accomplish maybe more than what they thought they could. I realised I didn't know that until I really reflected, and an abundance mentality and gratitude gave me more confidence and then I stepped forward and put myself out there. So, I didn't actually start Nuun. But, I did take over well over six years ago."

    Does Kevin find pleasurable fulfillment in solving problems instead of being stuck in the office all day? "I didn't realise it at the time when I first started moving forward in the Triathlon world with swim and bike and run. It is so meticulous, especially swimming for me, it is so technical in that you are always trying to perfect it, and the repetition. So, what ends up happening is by refining this skill to get fine-tuned to get more efficient at everything you are doing, over and over and over, and over again. It is these incremental gains and what ends up happening is you end up becoming sharper and your head becomes clearer because you are just so focused on that moment in time. I have found that it actually helps me in my work life. Because that sharpness, that ability to focus and concentrate then translates to when I'm in a discussion with somebody directly across me."

    Why can unplugging from technology strengthen our ability to focus? "The phones we have, the smart phones, are basically connected to us. They are an extension of our person. So, we've got all of this clutter, and imagine if you could take that completely away for 2, 3, or 4 hours depending, even longer if it is a weekend day actually. It is close to eight hours in a day. So, you take that and you are full-on focused. Like, the muscle that you are building with your brain by not getting all of this clutter of the world really does translate well. I'm a massive believer in integrating sports into your life and that will help you in your business."

    What exactly does Kevin Rutherford mean when he says, 'culture is alive.' "When I think about a thriving team and culture, there are many things that come into play. By the way, my belief on this one is 'culture is alive,' meaning, it is a living ecosystem that changes all the time. A person leaves your team, comes on the team. Culture is changing. An issue happens. A new competitor comes in. Something went wrong. Something is going right. It is changing. You have to feed it. It is not a checklist.

    Adapt or Die

    Kevin Rutherford gives us his perspective on being nimble enough in your field to adapt in our ever-changing world. "You need to adapt a little bit. Or, if you don't adapt, you'll die. So, in the business context, I love using the example of Kodak. Actually, do you know this? Kodak actually invented the digital camera. But, yet where is Kodak today? Because they basically had it but they kind of held on. They didn't adapt as to where it was going, and so they thought well, if we hold onto this we are good to go. Then sure enough, the digital camera went and catapulted. They couldn't actually get theirs on track because they waited."

    Projecting

    During this episode of Finding Your Summit Podcast, Kevin Rutherford also talks about his career transition at Nuun and the business growth that flourished after his hiring, "I actually came in and said, I'm not changing anything right away. I need to figure out first of all what is going on and first and foremost, what is working. Because there is something that got us here to this spot. So, this is what I find really cool about the power of people and culture. Within the first two months, 60 days, I personally cannot do anything to change this. To be clear, I might be at the helm. It's a mindset that then drove execution and changed the trajectory of the company. Within 60 days we were already starting to truck long and grow faster, and we actually never slowed down since that point."

    Links to Additional Resources:

    • Mark Pattison: markpattisonnfl.com
    • Emilia's Everest for the Epilepsy Foundation: markpattisonnfl.com/philanthropy-wb/
    • Kevin Rutherford: Linkedin
    • Nuun: nuunlife.com

    Shawn Richardson: Through divorce, this amazing woman found her way back through the clarity she found in the mountains. Psst: Sounds like me!! Mar 27, 2020
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    144: Shawn Richardson: Life Coach for parents of special needs kids and an avid Mountaineer discusses how she managed to overcome an emotionally shattering unexpected divorce and arrived on the other side through the clarity that came with mountain climbing and being a heroine for her son Charlie who has autism.

    Shawn Richardson

    Shawn Richardson is a super woman who found her superpowers through the transformative clarity that comes with her passion for climbing mountains. But before this metamorphosis took place, first Shawn was married for over 23 years to a successful man that graduated from Harvard and managed a hedge fund, with whom she had three sons in high school with. What happened in 2008 when his hedge fund was decimated and much of their capital disappeared along with it? "It's five years after 2008...I'm not seeing it happening and I'm not thinking about the end of our marriage. But, I'm getting resigned to the fact that life doesn't feel so great. So, anyway, we are still very married at this point. He goes on a business trip to check on some residual investments in Thailand and came home and immediately told me that he wanted a divorce, and I was so surprised by this news, and I thought that it would pass, that it was just a moment of fear or something, a reaction that he was having and he would come down in the following days and come to his senses so to speak. It never happened. He kept saying every day, 'I want a divorce. I'm actually moving to Thailand.'"

    On this episode of Finding Your Summit Podcast, we talk with Shawn Richardson, life coach for parents of special needs kids and an avid mountaineer. Shawn discusses what pushed her to step into the fear of her situation and face it head-on. "I was trying to repair and prevent the divorce from happening and there was a very clear moment when I made the decision to not protect the marriage but protect myself and my children. So, that was a clear decision. I think a lot of people may face that moment when they're trying to prevent a divorce from happening. Then there is that moment when they say, the divorce is going to happen, and I must think and make my decisions accordingly."

    What You Will Learn:

    How did mountain climbing play a role in Shawn Richardson's revitalisation process after the pain of her divorce? "I'm a big mountain climber like you. So, I grew up in Montana and climbed a lot during my college years. But, then I stopped all throughout my marriage, and after my divorce I ran into an opportunity to climb Whitney, and I just did it, just to get back into the mountains. No particular drive. Just to pursue the experience. I got on the summit and I stood up there and I was reminded after 25 years or however long it had been, how great it is, how amazing it feels to be on top of a mountain, and I said, 'why aren't I doing this all the time?'"

    What was a pivotal moment in Shawn Richardson resetting her mindset into a more positive direction? "I studied spiritual psychology in L.A. for three years and the very first night of my very first class the teacher said, basically, that we are all divine souls using human experience for our learning and that everything happens for us, not to us, and that, in fact, we have chosen these experiences for our learning. That whole reframing, moving from victim consciousness I'm here to heal from a divorce, into how is this happening for me? What is my opportunity here? Moving into empowerment. That night was the moment, I drove home and I said, I can build whatever life I want for myself, and I set out to do that, and I have been doing that."

    Shawn Richard talks about the tumultuous elements of fear that bubbled up to the surface during her shock of divorce that she would later face directly. "I saw a very large transfer of money, six figures, leave our account and go to Thailand, and it was in that moment where I was WTF, yikes. So, I got to get a lot smarter here and I need to protect myself and my kids. I don't know what is happening. I don't know what is going on. So, that was the moment. You know, I didn't even know how divorce worked. I knew nothing. While processing all the emotions of what was going on, my children not knowing what was happening at all. They knew nothing at this point. I also had to do the legal study of, what do you do? How do you get control over money so that it doesn't all disappear?"

    What is it about mountain climbing in particular that makes it such a force of healing for Shawn? "For me, the whole physicality of climbing, it is just a massive movement of energy. You are moving and processing so much energy when your body is traversing a mountain. Just that alone is an incredible experience. Anything stagnant in you, any feelings that are stuck, you just get agitated and move. So, I also find in the meditative movement, the step after step after step and the beauty of Mother Nature, just clarity, descends in my thinking. I am so clear in my priorities."

    Shawn Richardson has a 25-year-old son named Charlie that is autistic who is the lead singer in a band where every member has autism. What has this experience been like for her? "I think part of the reason that happened, my divorce, and everything that happened in my life actually, was to set me up for the new way in which I see Charlie and experience Charlie and know myself as his mother, and it is a way that I want to help others that are parenting children with special needs, if they are interested."

    Charlie's Autism Diagnosis

    Shawn walks us through that moment in her life when Charlie's autism diagnosis became a reality. "There was very much a message given to me that I needed to fix him, and I actually had a very successful business that I was running, and the day that he was diagnosed, I closed down my business to fix Charlie. Nobody really knew what autism was or what you could do about it or what caused it. So, I went into a big learning mode, which is my M.O.. I went to work fixing him, pursuing every kind of therapy, trying everything. We homeschooled. It was insane."

    Projecting Unhappiness

    During this episode of Finding Your Summit Podcast, Shawn Richardson also talks about the work she does as a life coach for mothers and fathers of special needs sons and daughters and how she realised that she was projecting her own unhappiness onto Charlie. "I started thinking, why did his soul choose such a difficult existence? I was awed. Then I spent several weeks thinking about that as I was hiking, training for my next climb. I really came to the awareness that in fact, Charlie is not unhappy at all. He is a very happy person, and the happiest person I know, and that all the unhappiness that I was perceiving was frankly and quite truthfully was unhappiness that was living inside of me., and that is called projection. It is a psychological defense mechanism and it is when you take things that you cannot or will not accept inside yourself and you place them on others."

    Links to Additional Resources:

    • Mark Pattison: markpattisonnfl.com
    • Emilia's Everest for the Epilepsy Foundation: markpattisonnfl.com/philanthropy-wb/
    • Shawn Richardson: shawnrichardsonglobal.com

    Alan Arnette: Former Everest summiter talks about Coronavirus in Nepal and the challenges of climbing the mountain.. Mar 20, 2020
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    143: Alan Arnette: Mountaineering Expert who has climbed Mt. Everest four times, summiting it the fourth time, has reached the peak of K2 and has climbed with Garrett Madison, who Mark Pattison will be climbing Everest with in 2020, discusses what it is like to attempt a summit climb during disease concerns like the ones we find ourselves in with coronavirus and the precautions to be aware of.

    Alan Arnette

    Alan Arnette has the vast knowledge and experience to aid mountain climbers to be at their very best as they reach towards finding their summit. But what separates Alan from many other climbers is that he knows what it is like to be pushing towards an expedition during a widespread public virus dilemma. He speaks to the growing concerns arising from the spread of the coronavirus labeled COVID-19. "It's obviously a global tragedy, getting close to 100,000 cases and over 3000 people have lost their lives to this disease. So, it is certainly not something to ignore or to make light of. There was a similar experience back in 2002 with the SARS virus. It was a similar respiratory virus and it just so happened that I did go to Everest in 2002."

    On this episode of Finding Your Summit Podcast, we talk with Alan Arnette, Mountaineering Expert who has summited Mt. Everest upon his fourth expedition and has also climbed up to the top of K2. Alan returns to the show after having appeared on episode 115 and shares his experience of traveling to climb during the time of the SARS virus spreading. "That was my first time and it was smack dab in the middle of the SARS and I remember walking through the airports. I think I connected through Bangkok and having my temperature taken and an infrared scan of my face to see if I had a fever or not. I guess there is a precedent for this. That year nothing happened at base camp, which is certainly what we hope will happen this year."

    What You Will Learn:

    What are Alan's main concerns about Everest as it pertains to the coronavirus? "But the concern. Mark, that I think everybody should have that is going to Everest, and we will just stay focused on the very narrow area of Everest relative to this virus, is that you know, base camp on both sides is a very intimate environment. The camp itself, Garrett Madison runs an outstanding base camp. So, I have no doubt that things like hygiene and all of that will be doubled and tripled up in terms of washing hands and washing dishes and those types of things. But, all it takes is one person to get sick."

    Alan Arnette mentions how even the normal flu sickness has impacted mountaineering in the past. "It was three years ago that the common flu had an outbreak on the Nepal side and practically everybody at camp got that and it actually took out a number of climbers that year. So, this does happen, and it is an environment where disease is spread very, very quickly. So, if one person comes in that has it, you know, it can take out everybody at camp. But 'taking out' I mean in the season. Everybody would have to go home."

    Mark Pattison and Alan Arnette talk about how many people live in a state of fear and that 350,000 to 400,000 die every year of the flu from influenza and fortunately we haven't reached those types of numbers with the coronavirus. Alan talks about how this COVID-19 virus has still caused many mountain climbing expeditions to be canceled, leading to less people and traffic on the mountains. "I was forecasting this year that we were going to see over 1000 total summits. Last year we approached that. We were in the 970 range, on both sides, all routes, all people. This year, I think it is going to be half of what it was last year. I think we are looking at like 600. The number of permits I think are going to be on the Chinese side cut in half. I only think we are going to see about 50 members and then additional 50 support people. So, maybe a total of 100 on the Tibet side. On the Nepal side, instead of the normal 1000 that is at base camp I think this year we will probably see close to maybe 500 or 600, which translates into maybe 250, maybe 300 at the most that will summit, and that is compared to the over 600 that summited last year."

    Alan Arnette breaks down some of the changes that are taking place in the mountain climbing industry that could be attracting many inexperienced and unprepared climbers. "Now, you've got the sherpas, they are running Everest basically, and we've always been the guests in their country and now they are just taking over and running it. So, now it is that 80% of the clients are guided by these Nepali companies and they have cut out the middleman. They've cut out the western guides. So, as a result, they are competing primarily on price because their cost structure is so much lower. As a result, that is attracting a new class of clientele, people that don't have the experience and they are going for 'the t-shirt' in many cases."

    What are some of the contributing factors to people taking the skill and endurance needed to summit Mt. Everest for granted? "There is an arrogance associated with it, because the press has for years, especially after Into Thin Air came out in the late '90s, just demonized the mountain. They think it is so easy to go up and down it. There is a McDonalds at the top. There is a Starbucks...and on, and on, and on, and so you read that anybody can summit Everest, and anybody can go. Typically, the line that I always read is, you pay your $65,000 and a sherpa hauls your a*s up to the top. It couldn't be further from the truth, as evidenced by last year when 11 people lost their lives."

    Summit Coach

    Alan Arnette talks about the importance of knowing why you want to climb Mt. Everest before you even attempt it, to keep you focused and give you the inspiration you may certainly need. "I had this consulting business called Summit Coach where I consult with people. I don't sell any products. It is just information based on the experience on how to prepare and what to expect. And one of the first things I spend time with a new client on is, what is their motivation?"

    Climbing Garrett Madison

    During this episode of Finding Your Summit Podcast, Alan Arnette also talks about Garrett Madison's professionalism and what Mark Pattison can expect while working with him to climb Mt. Everest in light of the coronavirus. "What you can expect from Garrett is a world-class guy. Just a consummate gentleman. His attention to detail is outstanding."

    Links to Additional Resources:

    • Mark Pattison: markpattisonnfl.com
    • Emilia's Everest for the Epilepsy Foundation: markpattisonnfl.com/philanthropy-wb/
    • Alan Arnette: alanarnette.com
    • Alan Arnette Social Media: Linkedin Twitter

    Ronnie Lott: Former USC All American, San Francisco Hall of Famer, now champions All Stars helping Kids. Inspirational dude... Mar 13, 2020
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    142: Ronnie Lott: Former NFL player, Hall of Fame Inductee, 4-Time Super Bowl Champion with the San Francisco 49ers and 10-Time NFL Pro Bowl All-Star discusses how he grew up into being a champion on the professional football field and is now championing the lives of others through All Stars Helping Kids.

    Ronnie Lott

    Ronnie Lott talks about not just his early athletic influences of greatness, but also other examples of a winning attitude that literally hit home for him while growing up. "It starts with the people that you are around and the people that you have a chance to interact with. I think one of the great things that it started with, with me was my parents. I have two incredible parents that shared with me the things that they did to do and create a dynamic around our family and that was, we are going to go out and we are going to do the best that we can do. We are going to work hard. We are going to find ways to add value to our community."

    On this episode of Finding Your Summit Podcast, we talk with Ronnie Lott, Former NFL player, Hall of Fame Inductee, 4-Time Super Bowl Champion with the San Francisco 49ers and 10-Time NFL Pro Bowl All-Star. Ronnie Lott explains why his best time in all of sports was when he was going to Eisenhower High School in Rialto, California. "There were things that you didn't think about, meaning the stakes at that time were just the stakes of joy. The stakes were not around the consequences of whether you are going to win the Pac-12 or whether you are not going to win the Pac-12. The stakes were just totally different. They were totally innocent."

    What You Will Learn:

    Was there ever a point in time when Ronnie Lott didn't want to go to USC for college and play football there? "No, I never had that moment in my life. The only time I had a moment before that was, there was a period where I wanted to go to UCLA and the reason I wanted to go there was because I was a big fan of John Wooden. I was a big fan of a lot of the players that had gone to school there. Growing up in Southern California watching John Wooden, watching that whole run that he had and the philosophies and the way that they went about it, I was drawn to even thinking about the possibilities of even being near him."

    What prevented Ronnie Lott from pursuing a college career at UCLA and going to USC instead? "Unfortunately, in life you find sometimes things are said, in this case one of the coaches said, 'Freshmen can't play.' In those moments when somebody says that, you are kind of like, 'What?' The next thing you know, John Robinson says, 'Hey, if you think you are good enough, give it a shot.' To me, life is when people tell you, give it a shot and you are giving it a shot."

    Ronnie Lott discusses his freshman year on the USC football field and exhausting all opportunities to make the most out of life. "There is a movie called, Everybody's All American and in that movie he is trying to figure it all out. He is trying to figure out what he is going to do. He's trying to figure out his life and trying to figure out a lot of things and I think we all go through those journeys in life of what we are trying to do, what we're trying to achieve. We make choices and sometimes those choices become choices that are good, and then we make choices that sometimes are not the best choices in life."

    Ronnie's college success at USC led to him becoming an NFL first round draft pick with the San Francisco 49ers, a team surrounded by strong teammates. "When you are built to be something and people know that you are built to be something, very seldom do you find ways to not allow that person to do his job."

    Out of the four Super Bowls that Ronnie Lott won with the San Francisco 49ers (XVI, XIX, XXIII, XXIV), which team did he feel was the strongest? "I think the '84 team is the strongest team we had just because we had so much depth on the defensive line. We had so many different weapons on our offense. Roger Craig was playing really well. We had Wendell Tyler who was a phenomenal running back that did so many different things. We had Charley Young as a tight end. He was really amazing. We had Freddie Solomon who was an incredible wide receiver. We had Dwight Clark who was really an excellent wide receiver."

    Being a Source of Assistance

    Ronnie Lott has continued to be of service to others, carrying on that compassionate family tradition that he was raised with. "What can you do for others? What my dad taught me is what he did so many times and continues to do, and that is, there is always somebody that needs something. There is always some way that helps, somebody. There is always some way to figure out that you can play a role in somebody's life. I've always been curious about that capability because that is kind of what my mom and dad do. They still go to church and they still serve. They still help people."

    All Stars Helping Kids

    During this episode of Finding Your Summit Podcast, Ronnie Lott also talks about the ways that he feels compelled to live his best life and give back to others. "All Stars Helping Kids, it started in 1989. It still exists. It is still going and it is all due to the fact that everybody has a chance to be an all star and hopefully working with all stars you get a chance to do that."

    Links to Additional Resources:

    • Mark Pattison: markpattisonnfl.com
    • Emilia's Everest for the Epilepsy Foundation: markpattisonnfl.com/philanthropy-wb/
    • All Stars Helping Kids: allstarshelpingkids.org

    Matt Millen: Former NFL great, NFL executive & longtime broadcaster who overcame a near death experience! Mar 06, 2020
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    141: Matt Millen: Former NFL player and 4-Time Super Bowl Champion with the Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders, the San Francisco 49ers, and the Washington Redskins and previous President and CEO of the Detroit Lions talks about overcoming the rare amyloidosis disease that affected his heart.

    Matt Millen

    Matt Millen is a past teammate of Mark Pattison with the Los Angeles Raiders NFL team as a line-backer. After being diagnosed with the rare disease amyloidosis that impacted his heart to the point of needing a heart transplant, Matt was happily surprised by the well-wishes he received from past teammates. "When I got sick with this disease, it was shocking to me how many guys from our Raider team, it was an outpouring. It was overwhelming. They just came out of the woodwork, heard from guys that I hadn't heard from in years. But it's weird, because everyone is trying to keep up with one another. They are trying to keep tabs on you or they talk to someone who has talked to you. It was really amazing. It was really phenomenal. And that's really the power of the team."

    On this episode of Finding Your Summit Podcast, we talk with Matt Millen, 4-Time Super Bowl Winner with three different teams, the Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders, the San Francisco 49ers and the Washington Redskins as well as the previous President and CEO of the Detroit Lions. Matt Millen speaks about the competitive nature of the NFL. "Here is the hard truth about making it in the National Football League. So, Mark you had more than enough talent to be able to play for a long time and have a longer career than you did in the NFL. There are a lot of different things that come into it. So, you had requisite speed, you ran great routes, you loved to play, you weren't afraid to go across the middle. So, you had all of those things and the problem is, you can have a great skill-set and if you get there at a time when there is no other skill-set like that, you are in great shape. You can take off with your career and show exactly what you have. Or, you can show up on a team like the Raiders when you did, when there were a bunch of guys who have the same skill-sets. Some have already established themselves and you are trying to scratch your way into that place and it is tough to do."

    What You Will Learn:

    Matt Millen shares some wise words of wisdom that he has learned along the way while overcoming his adversities. "The bottomline is always this, in the end, we're all are just people living, trying to get by in this life and there are a lot of things that help. But the main thing that helps people is people. It is not money. It is not fame. It is not anything other than a person taking time to take time."

    When Matt Millen was diagnosed with amyloidosis disease, he was understandable shocked and concerned, especially after it had not been recognized by previous physicians that he had visited. "The disease is called amyloidosis. It is a disease that there is no cure for. They don't really know what causes it. It is an autoimmune disease and so it is one of those that I never heard or ever knew existed."

    What was the process like for Matt Millen to finally have the disease determined? "I went on a 7-year hike so-to-speak, from doctor to doctor all across the country. From Los Angeles to New Jersey, to you name it I was there. The Mayo Clinic up in Rochester, Minnesota, down in Florida, out in Arizona. I was all over the place. I saw lots of different people and finally at the Mayo Clinic after 7 years of seeing doctors and getting to the point where I could walk maybe 25 feet and then I had to stop, they finally determined what it was. I was down in the Mayo in Jacksonville. I walked into a guy who that was what he specialized in and they finally found it and then it was a matter of time before I had a heart transplant. But I had to go on chemo. I was on chemo for 10 ½ months."

    How did being faced with his own mortality strip things down in his life and did it create an awakening in his life? "I've had faith for a long time. I became a Christian, and I mean a bible-believing conversion Christian. I grew up Catholic. I always had knowledge and a kind of thirst for it. But then when I went to Penn State and i got into the bible, then I made a profession of faith, that was in 1976. From '76 until 'the heart' things were simple. Then when that happened, thankfully, I was actually pretty good. I was like, ok, this is the way I go, this is the way I go. At least I know it."

    Matt Millen shares a story of his experience in the hospital regaining his strength. "They put these drugs, they put them right in your jugular. So you are walking around with this pole and the medicine being dumped right into your heart and all they said to me was, they said look, the better shape you are in going in, the further along you will be coming out. So I was like, look, how much do you want me to walk? Because I will walk all day if you need me to."

    Penn State and Notre Dame

    As a Penn State University alumni, was Penn State always the college that Matt Millen wanted to attend and the college team that he wanted to play for? "It was a town that was dominated by two teams, the Penn State Nittany Lions and Notre Dame. And because you're inundated with hearing about Penn State and Notre Dame growing up, I could not stand either of those teams. It used to drive me nuts. It was all I ever heard. It was Notre Dame and Penn State and I was like forget it."

    Super Bowl Success

    During this episode of Finding Your Summit Podcast, Matt Millen also talks about making the conversion from the Raiders to the 49ers team, and recognizing the internal player dynamics that he was entering into. "I walked into the 49er locker room and I immediately saw one thing, this is Ronnie Lott's team. I knew the Raiders were my team. I knew I ran everything down there. But I walked into San Francisco, it would have been a huge mistake for me to try to do anything there. So, I just blended in, let Ronnie do his thing because it's his show and that's fine."

    Links to Additional Resources:

    • Mark Pattison: markpattisonnfl.com
    • Emilia's Everest for the Epilepsy Foundation

    140: Mark Pattison + Jim Mora: Former NFL Player turned mountaineer + Former Head Coach of UCLA, Seahawks and Falcons discuss Mt Everest and what it takes to be a champion in life... Feb 28, 2020
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    140: Jim Mora: Dad, Football Coach, ESPN Analyst, and Philanthropist talks about going from coaching in the NFL for the Chargers, Saints, 49ers, Falcons, and Seahawks, at the college level at UCLA, and finding fulfillment after coaching football.

    Jim Mora

    Jim Mora is not just an alumni who earned a living working in the NFL like Mark Pattison, he is also a personal friend of Mark who met him in their senior year of high school in the summer before they went to the University of Washington. Jim discusses the positive attitude that Mark continues to carry. "I think this whole thing with Everest started when he was going through some changes, some extreme changes in his life. He was going through separation and divorce. He was struggling with his daughter Emilia, who he mentioned earlier, and her bout with epilepsy, which he is working hard to overcome. He was at a point in his life that wasn't really bright at the time. Mark has always had a real positive outlook on things."

    On this episode of Finding Your Summit Podcast, we talk with Jim Mora, Dad, Football Coach, ESPN Analyst, and Philanthropist. Jim discusses his own career as well as Mark Pattison's evolution as a man and a mountain climber. "It is impressive how you stuck to it because a lot of people would start the journey, would get to a better spot, like you did, and then might say, I'm ok now, I'm good now. But your will to complete the journey, to complete the seven summits, to keep pushing for Emilia, to find your way out of the darkness, to invite happiness back into your life, to completely restructure everything about yourself has been inspiring. But anyone that knows Mark, would understand what I'm saying because he is incredibly positive about everything. It's never a can't. It's always a can"

    What You Will Learn:

    What does Jim see as Mark's advance when it comes to mountain climbing? "Some people walk up a mountain. Some people attack a mountain. Mark attacks a mountain. When he gets on Everest he will be paying respect to Everest. But he will be in a mode where he is being safe. He is being smart. But he has a relentless attitude, and that is what you've always been. Relentless."

    Jim Mora tells the story of a special football player he mentored named Cody Ennis. "Cody (Ennis) went from a 310lb offensive lineman to a 185lb, now as a member of the United States Navy Seals team. I got a text from him two days ago. It's a picture on my phone. I screenshotted it. He's in a helicopter. He is in deployment, I believe in Afghanistan and he goes, 'Coach Mora, I just want to thank you so much for shaking the sickness of complacency from me when I got to UCLA. I would never be where I am now without that. It just meant so much to me."

    Jim talks about the importance of loving the process that is involved in whatever your goals or journeys consist of. "People that are in love with the process find success. People that are relentless like you (Mark Pattison) they find success because they are doing it for the right reasons and what you've done Mark over and over is, and you said it, the top pyramid on John Wooden's Pyramid of Success' is competitive greatness is. And his definition of competitive greatness is, being at your best when your best is needed."

    Jim shares how coaching felt when he went from the NFL to UCLA. "Coaching changed for me dramatically when I went to UCLA, the purpose of my coaching. The purpose in the pros was only to win. That is all they cared about in the pros, and the definition of winning was winning the game on Sunday. The definition of winning for me changed when I went to UCLA and certainly it was winning on the field because winning on the field allows you to continue to do what you love to do, which is coach these young men and help them in life. But it also became about these young men getting an education and graduating, which is two different things."

    While talking about the late great Kobe Bryant's 10 elements that make a champion, Jim Mora expounded on the first one on the list. "A champion's mentality means doing things that others won't. It means being fully committed. There's different levels of commitment. There is someone who is fully committed. There is conveniently committed. There is partially committed. But having a champion's mentality, that means no matter what, no matter why, no matter how, no matter what the circumstances, you are committed to being a champion."

    Just Keep Going

    Motivation comes and goes. But dedication can help you reach the peak of your personal summit. "Just take the next step. Just keep walking. Just keep breathing. Keep hoping and you will get where you are supposed to be, you know? And that is number seven on Kobe's thing. Just keep going. You are going to get hit with adversity. You are going to get hit right in the face with things that challenge you on a daily basis and you can either turn around or you can keep going."

    Athletes

    During this episode of Finding Your Summit Podcast, Jim Mora also talks about how playing the blame game gets in the way of people taking responsibility for accomplishing their own prosperity. "I think it's human nature when you have a failure, and I will just relate it to my job, when you are a football coach and someone fires you, your first instinct is to find someone to blame to relieve the angst that you feel. 'It was their fault. It was their fault. Why did they do this? It was a bad decision.' That is not productive at all. That is counterproductive and we all go through it. But the quicker you go through that and then turn the attention towards yourself and say, 'OK, what decisions did I make that led to this failure?'

    Links to Additional Resources:

    • Jim Mora's Website:
    • Jim Mora's Social Media: Linkedin
    • Mark Allen's Email: mark@markallencoaching.com
    • Mark Pattison: markpattisonnfl.com
    • Emilia's Everest for the Epilepsy Foundation: markpattisonnfl.com/philanthropy-wb/

    Jason Schechterle: Jason's dream was to become a Phoenix police officer. 14 months into the job, he was hit by a taxi driver going 115 MPH. His car burst into flames and burned a significant part of his head + body. He feels blessed to lead the life he Feb 21, 2020
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    139: Jason Schechterle: Keynote Speaker and subject of the book, Burning Shield. Co-Host of Badge Boys on StarWorldWideNetworks.com, shares his personal and professional journey of going from being a dedicated

    Jason Schechterle

    Jason Schechterle takes us back to March 26th, 2001 when he was just 28-years-old, 14 months as a Phoenix police officer in his hometown during a 10-hour-shift. With about one hour and a half left in his shift, he decided to take an emergency call that was out of his range near downtown Phoenix. "When you are running what we call Code 3, lights and siren, if you have a red light, you still have to come to a complete stop to make sure that people are seeing you from the other directions. They are going to yield to your vehicle. And it only takes a second to clear an intersection and just as I was going to proceed, my patrol car was struck from behind by a taxi cab."

    On this episode of Finding Your Summit Podcast, we talk with Jason Schechterle, Keynote Speaker and subject of the book, Burning Shield. Co-Host of Badge Boys on StarWorldWideNetworks.com, Jason describes the aftermath of his car collision. "I was knocked unconscious so, you get to erase the fear. You get to erase the chaos. You get to erase any of those memories. And even more importantly, my car burst into flames. It traveled 270 feet through the intersection and miracle upon miracle, twist of fate. You can put a lot of labels on it. But I came to rest 50 feet from a fire truck."

    What You Will Learn:

    What was the first 'aha! moment' that Jason Schechterle had prior to his injury? The first happened exactly two years to the day of Jason's injury, when a Phoenix police officer was shot and killed in the line of duty, inspiring Jason Schechterle to be a police officer just like him. Jason also discusses the second event. "I think I have always been inclined to a call-of-service. I joined the air force out of high school, did my four years, really loved it. It gave me exactly what I needed in life, a little structure, a little discipline. I was very proud to have served in the places that I did. When I came home at 22-years-old, I wanted to be a cop."

    Jason shares exactly how blessed he feels to be alive after this ordeal, and the outcome of events that were involved in his survival. "It took so many little pieces and little precious seconds and effort, different effort. One person couldn't help me. It took a lot of people to get me, not only out of that car but, to what I am going to argue, is the best burn center in the United States. The Maricopa County Hospital, on their trauma table in less than eight minutes."

    Jason Schechterle talks about his initial burn injuries and the impact that he experienced in his body physically. "I know with my injuries, from the neck up it was fourth degree, which like you said, down to the last layers of muscles and into the bone. My shoulders to my hands were third degree later. But probably in the initial stages they were severe second degree burns. Burns will keep on burning until a doctor gets all that dead bacteria tissue off of you, they will continue to get worse and deeper. That's probably why burn victims end up with severe scarring."

    Jason Schechterle discusses how his eyesight was affected by his burns. "I currently don't have my full sight. They were able to get me back, I was 100% blind for about 9 months...they actually covered my corneas with skin grafts because my corneas were severely damaged by the heat and fire and then, through a lot of medical procedures, even using my own blood as eye drops because your body heals itself so well, I was able to regain a lot of my sight."

    Jason Schechterle talks about what his wife went through during his recovery, including giving up her career. "I don't think I will ever fully understand or appreciate what she went through in those first couple of months while I was asleep. We had two kids at the time, a seven-year-old daughter and we had a son who turned three while I was in my coma. So she had her hands full and she had to make all the decisions."

    Becoming an Agent for Change

    How did Jason Schechterle make the mindset shift to be strong for himself and others? "I need to be accountable and when I recognized that, I understood that if all these choices got me here, then every choice I make starting now will take me where I need to go. Of course there were a lot of dark days. There was so much fear, so much pain, so much, 'How are we going to get through this? How am I going to get through this?' But the beautiful thing about positive momentum is once it gets going, it can be a powerful force if you just get out of the way and let it go."

    The Fight Worth Having

    During this episode of Finding Your Summit Podcast, Jason Schechterle also talks about starting Burning Shield and transitioning from being a police officer to being a public speaker. "We aren't all going to catch on fire. We aren't all going to play in the NFL. We aren't all going to have children with diseases. Life happens to all of us. But the one guarantee is it is non-stop; life is going to try to take you out mentally, spiritually, physically, emotionally and the fight that is so worth having is how do you not let one of those get too far down?"

    Links to Additional Resources:

    • Jason Schechterle: Linkedin | Twitter
    • Burning Shield: burningshield.com
    • Book: Burning Shield: The Jason Schechterle Story by Jason Schechterle
    • Mark Pattison: markpattisonnfl.com

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