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    Expansion

    The podcast on Modular. Exploring a refreshed vision for building in crypto. Expansion is a podcast exploring the intersection of modular blockchain design and abundant blockspace. We’ll bring on the leading voices from the modular ecosystem to discuss blockchain design, specialization, applications, and the possibilities that cheap, secure blockspace unlocks.

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    Crypto's US Return, Rise of Purpose-Built Infra, and Rethinking Rollups | Nick White & Ezaan "Zon" Mangalji Nov 08, 2024
    Show notes

    In this episode, Mike and Nick are joined by special guest Zon from Initia to discuss the implications of Trump's victory on the crypto industry. Shifting gears they explore Polymarket's remarkable accuracy in predicting the election outcome and what it means for decentralized prediction markets. They also dive deep into Eclipse's groundbreaking launch, examining the future of SVM rollups and alternative VMs. The discussion concludes with an analysis of purpose-built chains versus app-specific chains, and what it means for the future of crypto infra. Thanksf or tuning in!

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    The Aggregation Summit, organized by Polygon Labs, is happening in Bangkok, Thailand, November 10-11, 2024


    Learn more and get your early bird tickets now at https://www.agglayer.dev

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    Timestamps:

    (00:00) Introduction

    (01:41) Thailand's Crypto Scene

    (04:04) Crypto's Post Election Thoughts

    (11:11) Crypto Regulatory Clearance

    (23:15) Eclipse Launch

    (32:45) Will Solana have L2s?

    (39:58) AAS

    (43:09) Purpose Built Chains

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    Disclaimer

    Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation.


    Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Rex, Jon, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.


    L1 Valuations and the Rise of Apps | Chris Burniske & Ryan Watkins Nov 06, 2024
    Show notes

    In this episode, Chris Burniske and Ryan Watkins join us to explore the evolving relationship between applications and infrastructure in crypto's value accrual balance. They dissect the current state of infrastructure premiums, examine how ETFs are reshaping market dynamics, and discuss the emerging opportunities in DeFi and AI integration. Thanks for tuning in!

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    The Aggregation Summit, organized by Polygon Labs, is happening in Bangkok, Thailand, November 10-11, 2024


    Learn more and get your early bird tickets now at https://www.agglayer.dev

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    Timestamps:

    (00:00) - Introduction

    (02:27) - Applications vs Blockchains

    (28:47) - Value Accrual End Game

    (43:32) - Aggregation Summit Ad

    (44:16) - Impact of ETFs

    (1:03:16) - Crypto's AI Intersection

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    Disclaimer

    Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation.


    Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Rex, Jon, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.


    Does Crypto Still have a Blockspace Problem? | Roundup Nov 02, 2024
    Show notes

    In this episode of Expansion, Mike is joined by Nick White of Celestia to explore the fundamental challenges of blockchain scaling. They dive deep into Celestia's approach to abundant blockspace, recent protocol upgrades including Shwab and Ginger, and the engineering tradeoffs between modular and monolithic blockchain designs. The conversation covers everything from fee market dynamics across different chains to the recent launch of Astria's decentralized sequencing layer. Thanks for tuning in!

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    Timestamps:

    (00:00) Introduction

    (06:03) The Lazy Blockchain

    (12:19) Celestia Roadmap

    (19:57) Incoming Celestia Upgrades

    (31:28) Optimizing for Blockspace Demand

    (49:59) Astria Launch

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    Disclaimer

    Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation.


    Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Rex, Jon, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.


    How Celestia's Gigabyte Block Vision Changes Crypto | John Adler & Evan Forbes Oct 30, 2024
    Show notes

    In today's episode John Adler and Evan Forbes reveal how three major breakthroughs at blockchain's data layer may enable truly unstoppable applications. They explain why previous attempts at unstoppable apps have fallen short, and how Big Blocks, Vacuum, and Big Blocks, Slow Squares will finally make internet-scale decentralized applications possible. Thanks for tuning in!

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    Join us at Permissionless III Oct 9-11. Use code: EXPANSION10 for a 10% discount: https://blockworks.co/event/permissionless-iii

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    Timestamps:

    (00:00) Introduction

    (01:20) Schwab Upgrade to Celestia

    (15:24) Compact Blocks Perks & Limitations

    (28:31) Vacuum's Edge Case Solutions

    (40:47) Fast Blocks, Slow Squares

    (57:15) What's Left for Gigabyte Blocks

    (1:01:42) Impact of DA

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    Disclaimer

    Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation.


    Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Rex, Jon, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.


    The Death of Rollup Costs | Matt Katz, Caldera Oct 26, 2024
    Show notes

    Today's episode with Matt from Caldera explores how Rollup-as-a-Service providers are dramatically reducing the cost and complexity of launching L2s, from $15M down to just thousands. Learn about Caldera's strategy for standardizing blockchain infrastructure, their perspective on different rollup stacks (Arbitrum, Optimism, zkSync), and their vision for connecting multiple blockchain clusters through their meta layer. Thanks for tuning in!

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    Join us at Permissionless III Oct 9-11. Use code: EXPANSION10 for a 10% discount: https://blockworks.co/event/permissionless-iii

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    Timestamps:

    (00:00) Introduction

    (01:26) Rollup as a Service Model

    (06:11) True Cost of L2s

    (15:09) End Game of Infra

    (34:15) Pros and Cons of Stacks

    (48:39) Are RAAS Providers Centralizing?

    (57:10) Virtual Machine Inclusion

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    Disclaimer

    Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation.


    Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Rex, Jon, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.



    Why Data Sovereignty Changes Everything | Nick White, Celestia Oct 23, 2024
    Show notes

    In this episode, we explore the concept of sovereignty in crypto with Nick White, examining how it enables users to opt out of oppressive systems and retain control of their assets. We discuss the tension between user and developer sovereignty, diving into how modular blockchain architecture creates new possibilities for both. The conversation then shifts to the intersection of crypto with the increasing importance of peer-to-peer settlement. We explore the fascinating connection between AI and crypto sovereignty, before concluding with thoughts on blockchain's role in establishing verifiable truth in our digital future. Thanks for tuning in!

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    Join us at Permissionless III Oct 9-11. Use code: EXPANSION10 for a 10% discount: https://blockworks.co/event/permissionless-iii

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    Timestamps:

    (00:00) Introduction

    (03:15) Evolution of Sovereignty

    (15:45) System Op-in

    (34:33) Peer to Peer Settlement

    (47:49) The Value of Truth

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    Disclaimer

    Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation.


    Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Rex, Jon, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.



    Saving Crypto from the Hidden Costs of Rollups | Roundup Oct 19, 2024
    Show notes

    In this episode, we dive deep into the creation of Superlane, crypto's first major move into rollup interoperability. We discuss the evolving landscape of rollup costs and solutions, examining the challenges and opportunities in launching sovereign rollups. The conversation then shifts to Celestia's recent performance upgrades and its implications for data availability. We also explore Avalanche's success with Off the Grid and what this means for crypto and gaming. Finally, we touch on the emergence of AI-driven meme coin traders and their implications for the crypto space. Thanks for tuning in!

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    Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/

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    Join us at Permissionless III Oct 9-11. Use code: EXPANSION10 for a 10% discount: https://blockworks.co/event/permissionless-iii

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    Timestamps:

    (00:00) Introduction

    (00:51) SuperLane & Super Chain Interop

    (18:17) Celestia DA Upgrade

    (21:32) The Costs of Rollups

    (37:13) Off the Grid's Growth

    (47:16) AI Crypto Cults

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    Disclaimer

    Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation.


    Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Rex, Jon, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.


    Where is the Killer Payment App of Crypto? | Sid Gandhi & Nick White Oct 16, 2024
    Show notes

    In this episode, Sid Gandhi, co-founder and CEO of Polybase Labs, discusses the payment network, Payy. The conversation delves into the challenges of crypto payments, Payy's approach to solving these issues, and the architectural decisions behind their technology stack. Sid unpacks the future of onchain banking, the importance of self-custody, and the potential for Payy to become a modular platform for building diverse financial services. Thanks for tuning in!


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    Timestamps:


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    Disclaimer

    Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation.


    Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Rex, Jon, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.


    Why Apps Are Going Modular & Fixing Token Launches | Roundup Oct 15, 2024
    Show notes

    In this episode, we dive deep into Uniswap's surprise Unichain announcement and its potential impact on DeFi. We also explore the emergence of Exchange OS and its promise of provable exchanges using ZK proofs. The conversation then shifts to the challenges of accurate metrics in crypto, particularly addressing inflated user numbers. We then discuss Binance's controversial pre-market trading feature and its implications for price discovery. Finally, we reflect on the current state of token distribution methods and potential alternatives to traditional airdrops. Thanks for tuning in!


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    Timestamps:

    (00:00) Introduction

    (01:34) Modular in an Integrated Way

    (06:04) Uniswap's UniChain

    (24:08) Movement Open Testnet

    (29:22) Exchange OS

    (35:37) Binance Pre-Market Trading

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    Disclaimer

    Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation.


    Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Rex, Jon, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.


    L1 & L2 Token Value Capture | Jon Charbonneau Oct 09, 2024
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    In this episode, we’re joined by Jon Charbonneau, Co-Founder of DBA to discuss L1 & L2 token value capture! We discussed measuring profitability of tokens, PoS vs PoW value accrual, and whether or not issuance is a cost. Additionally, we unpacked the economics of L2s, and compared them to L1 economics. Finally, we asked ourselves - can anything flip BTC as money?



    Thanks for tuning in!

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    Resources


    L1 & L2 Token Value Capture: https://dba.xyz/l1-l2-token-value-capture/


    Uncommon Core 2.0 - Ethereum’s Staking Endgame: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ethereums-staking-endgame/id1517659188?i=1000650123776

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    Timestamps:

    (0:00) Introduction

    (2:52) Crypto Networks Are Not Companies

    (10:17) Token Holder P&L

    (14:52) Are Taxes A Cost For Issuance?

    (22:40) Network Sustainability

    (25:57) Supra Ad

    (26:53) Index Coop Ad

    (27:59) How Can We Compare Networks?

    (39:04) Understanding Operator Costs

    (50:13) Network Metrics to Know

    (56:53) Network Valuation Walkthrough

    (59:37) Maintaining Network Security

    (1:09:18) How Does Token Utility Impact Network Valuations?

    (1:17:02) Subsidizing Networks

    (1:30:36) Applying REV to Network Valuation Models

    (1:40:53) Stages of Network Development

    (1:49:16) MEV & Network Fee Durability

    (1:57:58) The Monetary vs Cashflow Camps

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    Disclaimer: Nothing said on Bell Curve is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Mike, Jason, Michael, Vance and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.


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