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    Expansion

    The podcast on Modular. Exploring a refreshed vision for building in crypto. Expansion is a podcast exploring the intersection of modular blockchain design and abundant blockspace. We’ll bring on the leading voices from the modular ecosystem to discuss blockchain design, specialization, applications, and the possibilities that cheap, secure blockspace unlocks.

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    Decentralized AI, Diverging L2 Stacks, and Onchain Governance Struggles | Roundup Mar 14, 2025
    Show notes

    In this week's Roundup, the crew dives into the growing intersection of AI and crypto, and the debate over AI agents transacting onchain. They explore the viability of zkAI, VC interest in crypto amid an AI-driven funding landscape, and the growing divergence between the OP Stack and Arbitrum. Finally, they tackle on-chain governance struggles, the fixation on block times, and why, despite bearish sentiment, the long-term future of crypto has never looked brighter. Enjoy!


    Resources

    OP Stack & Arbitrum Stack diverging: https://x.com/pumatheuma/status/1897746210351726883

    Funding Rounds in Crypto: https://defillama.com/raises

    Mert’s SIMD-228 Post: https://x.com/0xMert_/status/1900172113287565754


    –

    L2s and L3s are history. Supra Containers give you dedicated, customizable AppSpace on Supra’s Layer-1 to rescue you from the costs, complexities, and fragmentation of L2s and L3s.

    Containers help you build with better customization and control than appchains at a fraction of the cost. Use your own token as the gas token, create local fee markets with custom gas amounts or just go gasless, and scale on demand whenever you need to.

    Supra Containers are secured by Supra’s L1 nodes and get access to Supra’s 500k TPS throughput, sub-second consensus latency, and all their built-in services like oracle price feeds and onchain randomness without any overhead. Supra is also MultiVM compatible so you can easily deploy your EVM, Move, and SVM smart contracts here.

    Get all the freedom, control, and tools you need to build super dApps and bring the world onchain. To learn more, visit www.supra.com/blockworks

    - -

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    Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/

    --

    Timestamps:

    (00:00) Introduction

    (02:57) Why Would AI Agents Transact Onchain?

    (07:17) Is zkAI Viable?

    (10:45) Supra Pre-Roll

    (11:10) Does Grok Suck?

    (12:59) VC Interest in Crypto

    (15:30) OP Stack and Arbitrum Orbit Stack Diverging

    (27:02) Are Regulatory Pressures Impacting L2 Models?

    (34:16) Supra Mid-Roll

    (35:00) The Fixation on Block Times

    (40:11) Onchain Governance Struggles

    (55:57) Optimism For Crypto's Future

    - -

    Disclaimer

    Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation.

    Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Michael, Nick, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.


    Celestia’s Tokenomics: What Needs to Change? | Dean Eigenmann & Marko Baricevic Mar 12, 2025
    Show notes

    This episode of Expansion dives into Celestia's latest improvement proposals with Dean Eigenmann and Marko Baricevic. We discuss their proposals on locking staking rewards and decreasing Celestia’s inflation rate, which aim to improve tokenomics and long-term network sustainability. The conversation expands into broader debates on proof-of-stake incentives, inflation models, and Celestia’s relationship with Ethereum. Enjoy!



    Resources

    CIP-29: Decrease Inflation and Adjust Disinflation: https://github.com/celestiaorg/CIPs/blob/main/cips/cip-29.md

    CIP-30: Prevent Auto-Claiming of Staking Rewards: https://github.com/celestiaorg/CIPs/blob/main/cips/cip-30.md

    CIP-31: Treat Rewards as part of the Lockup Account: https://github.com/celestiaorg/CIPs/blob/main/cips/cip-31.md


    –

    L2s and L3s are history. Supra Containers give you dedicated, customizable AppSpace on Supra’s Layer-1 to rescue you from the costs, complexities, and fragmentation of L2s and L3s.

    Containers help you build with better customization and control than appchains at a fraction of the cost. Use your own token as the gas token, create local fee markets with custom gas amounts or just go gasless, and scale on demand whenever you need to.

    Supra Containers are secured by Supra’s L1 nodes and get access to Supra’s 500k TPS throughput, sub-second consensus latency, and all their built-in services like oracle price feeds and onchain randomness without any overhead. Supra is also MultiVM compatible so you can easily deploy your EVM, Move, and SVM smart contracts here.

    Get all the freedom, control, and tools you need to build super dApps and bring the world onchain. To learn more, visit www.supra.com/blockworks

    –

    Ledger, the global leader in digital asset security, proudly sponsors Expansion! As Ledger celebrates 10 years of securing 20% of global crypto, it remains the top choice for securing your assets. Buy a LEDGER™ device now, and build confidently, knowing your BTC, ETH, SOL, and more are safe.

    Buy now on https://shop.ledger.com/?r=1da180a5de00

    –

    Join us at DAS NYC 2025! Use code EXPANSION10 for a 10% discount: https://blockworks.co/event/digital-asset-summit-2025-new-york

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    Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/

    --

    Timestamps:

    (00:00) Introduction

    (04:49) Celestia's Relationship to Cosmos

    (09:28) Changing Celestia's Economics and Incentives

    (13:03) Supra Pre-Roll

    (13:30) Ledger Pre-Roll

    (13:47) Locking Staking Rewards

    (16:45) What is the Ideal Stake Rate?

    (24:49) Lowering Celestia's Inflation Rate

    (33:30) The Inflation Debate

    (42:27) Supra Mid-Roll

    (43:11) Ledger Mid-Roll

    (43:47) Should Celestia Focus on Generating Fees?

    (50:47) Is the L1 Premium Dead?

    (01:00:33) Celestia's Relationship With Ethereum

    - -

    Disclaimer

    Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation.

    Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Michael, Nick, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.


    Base’s Flashblocks, Politicizing Crypto, and L1 Revenue Streams | Roundup Mar 07, 2025
    Show notes

    In this week's roundup, the crew discusses Base’s Flashbocks, and the pushback they received regarding centralization concerns. They also dive into their concerns with the rapid politicization of crypto. Finally, they cover the economic models of blockchains, particularly general-purpose L1s versus L2s. Enjoy!


    –

    L2s and L3s are history. Supra Containers give you dedicated, customizable AppSpace on Supra’s Layer-1 to rescue you from the costs, complexities, and fragmentation of L2s and L3s.

    Containers help you build with better customization and control than appchains at a fraction of the cost. Use your own token as the gas token, create local fee markets with custom gas amounts or just go gasless, and scale on demand whenever you need to.

    Supra Containers are secured by Supra’s L1 nodes and get access to Supra’s 500k TPS throughput, sub-second consensus latency, and all their built-in services like oracle price feeds and onchain randomness without any overhead. Supra is also MultiVM compatible so you can easily deploy your EVM, Move, and SVM smart contracts here.

    Get all the freedom, control, and tools you need to build super dApps and bring the world onchain. To learn more, visit www.supra.com/blockworks

    –

    Ledger, the global leader in digital asset security, proudly sponsors Expansion! As Ledger celebrates 10 years of securing 20% of global crypto, it remains the top choice for securing your assets. Buy a LEDGER™ device now, and build confidently, knowing your BTC, ETH, SOL, and more are safe.

    Buy now on https://shop.ledger.com/?r=1da180a5de00.

    –

    Join us at DAS NYC 2025! Use code EXPANSION10 for a 10% discount: https://blockworks.co/event/digital-asset-summit-2025-new-york

    - -

    Follow Jill: https://x.com/jillrgunter

    Follow Nick: https://x.com/nickwh8te

    Follow Uma: https://x.com/pumatheuma

    Follow Mike: https://x.com/MikeIppolito_

    Follow Expansion: https://x.com/ExpansionPod_

    Subscribe on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3QLwfTs

    Subscribe on Apple: http://apple.co/4bGKYYM

    Subscribe on Spotify: http://spoti.fi/3Vaubq1

    Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/

    --

    Timestamps:

    (00:00) Introduction

    (03:52) Discussing Base's Flashblocks

    (18:29) Supra Pre-Roll

    (18:55) Ledger Pre-Roll

    (19:12) The Politicalization of Crypto

    (31:22) Leadership Changes For the Ethereum Foundation

    (43:51) Supra Mid-Roll

    (44:35) Ledger Mid-Roll

    (45:11) Is DA the Most Sustainable Driver of Flows?

    (55:18) Valuing Blockchain Revenue Streams

    - -

    Disclaimer

    Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation.

    Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Michael, Nick, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.


    ETHDenver Vibe Check: The End of the Beginning? | Roundup Feb 28, 2025
    Show notes

    Live from ETHDenver, this episode dives into the current state of crypto, from the subdued conference vibes to the broader industry sentiment. The crew discusses whether the last cycle truly expanded the ecosystem or if it was just another speculative wave. They explore the rise and fall of meme coins, the shift from idealism to pragmatism in crypto startups, and the growing role of institutions like Bank of America in stablecoins. Finally, they cover the ByBit hack, and the importance of long-term sustainability in crypto. Enjoy!


    –

    L2s and L3s are history. Supra Containers give you dedicated, customizable AppSpace on Supra’s Layer-1 to rescue you from the costs, complexities, and fragmentation of L2s and L3s.

    Containers help you build with better customization and control than appchains at a fraction of the cost. Use your own token as the gas token, create local fee markets with custom gas amounts or just go gasless, and scale on demand whenever you need to.

    Supra Containers are secured by Supra’s L1 nodes and get access to Supra’s 500k TPS throughput, sub-second consensus latency, and all their built-in services like oracle price feeds and onchain randomness without any overhead. Supra is also MultiVM compatible so you can easily deploy your EVM, Move, and SVM smart contracts here.

    Get all the freedom, control, and tools you need to build super dApps and bring the world onchain. To learn more, visit www.supra.com/blockworks

    –

    Join us at DAS NYC 2025! Use code EXPANSION10 for a 10% discount: https://blockworks.co/event/digital-asset-summit-2025-new-york

    - -

    Follow Jill: https://x.com/jillrgunter

    Follow Nick: https://x.com/nickwh8te

    Follow Uma: https://x.com/pumatheuma

    Follow Mike: https://x.com/MikeIppolito_

    Follow Expansion: https://x.com/ExpansionPod_

    Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ExpansionPod

    Subscribe on Apple: http://apple.co/4bGKYYM

    Subscribe on Spotify: http://spoti.fi/3Vaubq1

    Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/

    --

    Timestamps:

    (00:00) Introduction

    (01:21) ETHDenver Vibe Check

    (03:29) Did We Onboard New People?

    (12:00) Supra Ad

    (12:26) Pragmatism vs Idealism

    (15:56) ByBit Gets Hacked

    (26:24) Supra Ad

    (27:08) Celestia's Fees & Valuing Startups

    (33:35) Revenue Generation in Crypto

    (40:26) Value Added Services For Celestia

    - -

    Disclaimer

    Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation.

    Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Michael, Nick, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.



    Crypto’s Momentum Shift, Kaito’s Token Launch, and Bridging UX | Roundup Feb 21, 2025
    Show notes

    In this week's roundup, we discuss crypto’s momentum shift, Ethereum DA, and Kaito’s token launch. We also unpacked the implications of centralized companies operating onchain. Finally, we ended the episode with discussion on the current state of bridging UX. Enjoy!


    Resources

    C-node’s Take: https://x.com/colludingnode/status/1891862449663463506


    –

    L2s and L3s are history. Supra Containers give you dedicated, customizable AppSpace on Supra’s Layer-1 to rescue you from the costs, complexities, and fragmentation of L2s and L3s.


    Containers help you build with better customization and control than appchains at a fraction of the cost. Use your own token as the gas token, create local fee markets with custom gas amounts or just go gasless, and scale on demand whenever you need to.


    Supra Containers are secured by Supra’s L1 nodes and get access to Supra’s 500k TPS throughput, sub-second consensus latency, and all their built-in services like oracle price feeds and onchain randomness without any overhead. Supra is also MultiVM compatible so you can easily deploy your EVM, Move, and SVM smart contracts here.


    Get all the freedom, control, and tools you need to build super dApps and bring the world onchain. To learn more, visit www.supra.com/blockworks

    –

    Ledger, the global leader in digital asset security, proudly sponsors Expansion! As Ledger celebrates 10 years of securing 20% of global crypto, it remains the top choice for securing your assets. Buy a LEDGER™ device now, and build confidently, knowing your BTC, ETH, SOL, and more are safe.

    Buy now on https://shop.ledger.com/?r=1da180a5de00.

    –

    Join us at DAS NYC 2025! Use code EXPANSION10 for a 10% discount: https://blockworks.co/event/digital-asset-summit-2025-new-york

    - -

    Follow Jill: https://x.com/jillrgunter

    Follow Nick: https://x.com/nickwh8te

    Follow Uma: https://x.com/pumatheuma

    Follow Mike: https://x.com/MikeIppolito_

    Follow Expansion: https://x.com/ExpansionPod_

    Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ExpansionPod

    Subscribe on Apple: http://apple.co/4bGKYYM

    Subscribe on Spotify: http://spoti.fi/3Vaubq1

    Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/

    --

    Timestamps:

    (00:00) Introduction

    (02:55) Feeling Optimistic On Crypto

    (10:30) Supra Pre-Roll

    (10:56) Ledger Pre-Roll

    (11:14) Crypto's Momentum Shift

    (18:43) Scaling Ethereum DA

    (35:36) Supra Mid-Roll

    (36:20) Ledger Mid-Roll

    (36:55) Kaito's Token Launch & Centralized Companies Onchain

    (50:57) Bridging UX & Interop

    - -

    Disclaimer

    Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation.

    Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Michael, Nick, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.


    Unichain, Succinct’s Prover Network, and Crypto’s Trust Crisis | Roundup Feb 14, 2025
    Show notes

    In this week's roundup, the Roundup crew discusses the launch of Unichain, Succinct’s Prover Network testnet, and the economics of being a prover. Additionally, they “A Crisis of Trust”, and how ZKPs can be applied outside of crypto. Finally, they end the episode with discussion on BOLD and fault proofs. Enjoy!


    Resources

    Succinct’s Prover Network Testnet Announcement: https://x.com/SuccinctLabs/status/1888999158541087134

    A Crisis of Trust: https://x.com/SuccinctLabs/status/1889749373854294295


    –

    Join us at DAS NYC 2025! Use code EXPANSION10 for a 10% discount: https://blockworks.co/event/digital-asset-summit-2025-new-york

    - -

    Follow Jill: https://x.com/jillrgunter

    Follow Nick: https://x.com/nickwh8te

    Follow Uma: https://x.com/pumatheuma

    Follow Mike: https://x.com/MikeIppolito_

    Follow Expansion: https://x.com/ExpansionPod_

    Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ExpansionPod

    Subscribe on Apple: http://apple.co/4bGKYYM

    Subscribe on Spotify: http://spoti.fi/3Vaubq1

    Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/

    --

    Timestamps:

    (00:00) Introduction

    (02:42) Unichain Goes Live

    (27:00) Succinct's Prover Network Testnet

    (33:07) Economics of Being a Prover

    (43:13) A Crisis of Trust

    (56:55) BOLD & Fault Proofs

    - -

    Disclaimer

    Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation.

    Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Michael, Nick, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.



    Ethereum Interop, L2 Pain Points, and Celestia’s Inflation | Roundup Feb 07, 2025
    Show notes

    In this week's roundup, we discuss current market sentiment, Ethereum interoperability, and L2 pain points. We also cover rollup design, token value accrual, and private vs public companies. Finally, we end the episode with discussion on reducing Celestia’s inflation, and the Ethereum tariff debate.


    Resources

    Solving Ethereum Interop: https://x.com/pumatheuma/status/1886483744053452851


    --

    Join us at DAS NYC 2025! Use code EXPANSION10 for a 10% discount: https://blockworks.co/event/digital-asset-summit-2025-new-york

    - -

    Follow Jill: https://x.com/jillrgunter

    Follow Nick: https://x.com/nickwh8te

    Follow Uma: https://x.com/pumatheuma

    Follow Mike: https://x.com/MikeIppolito_

    Follow Expansion: https://x.com/ExpansionPod_

    Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ExpansionPod

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    Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/

    --


    Timestamps:

    (00:00) Introduction

    (00:49) Market Sentiment

    (10:57) Ethereum Interop

    (26:38) L2 Pain Points

    (32:29) Rollup Designs & Token Value Accrual

    (45:50) Private vs Public Companies

    (54:55) Reducing Celestia's Inflation

    (01:04:06) The Ethereum Tariff


    Disclaimer

    Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation.

    Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Michael, Nick, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.


    Are Apps Parasitic to L1s? Debating Crypto's Value Capture | Roundup Jan 31, 2025
    Show notes

    In this week's roundup, we dive deep into the evolving dynamics between L1s and applications, exploring whether apps are truly "parasitic" to chains like Solana or if this represents a natural evolution of value capture in crypto. The conversation covers Abstract Chain's innovative approach to creator-focused L2s, Rari's strategic stack upgrades, and the latest developments in ZK tech including real-time Ethereum proving. Along the way, we challenge traditional assumptions about protocol value capture and discuss why vertical integration might be the key to crypto's consumer adoption. Enjoy!

    - -

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    Follow Nick: https://x.com/nickwh8te

    Follow Uma: https://x.com/pumatheuma

    Follow Mike: https://x.com/MikeIppolito_

    Follow Expansion: https://x.com/ExpansionPod_


    Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ExpansionPod

    Subscribe on Apple: http://apple.co/4bGKYYM

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    Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/

    --

    Timestamps:

    (00:00) Introduction

    (03:24) Is Crypto Cool Again?

    (07:21) Abstract Chain Launch

    (22:14) DEX Structural Advantage

    (24:11) Are Apps Parasitic to Solana?

    (36:18) Tech Demand Paradox

    (40:59) Rollup Platform Strategy

    (49:27) Rari's Upgrade

    (53:11) State of ZK

    - -

    Disclaimer

    Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation.


    Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Rex, Jon, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.


    Crypto's Speculative Phase & Ethereum's Mass Reform | Roundup Jan 24, 2025
    Show notes

    This week's roundup Trump token phenomenon and its implications for blockchain infrastructure, including analysis of Solana's performance under stress and its competition with Ethereum's rollup ecosystem. We then explore Ethereum Foundation's cultural challenges and potential reforms, including the possibility of a second foundation. To close our we examine new Layer 1 developments emerging from the Solana ecosystem and debate the future of blockchain architecture.

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    Follow Expansion: https://x.com/ExpansionPod_


    Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ExpansionPod

    Subscribe on Apple: http://apple.co/4bGKYYM

    Subscribe on Spotify: http://spoti.fi/3Vaubq1


    Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/

    --

    Timestamps:

    (00:00) Introduction

    (02:57) Trump & Melania Token Launch

    (13:03) Solana's Performance

    (23:14) How People Onboard in Crypto

    (30:30) Native Rollups

    (45:47) Ethereum's Privatization

    (57:16) Ethereum's Leadership

    (01:06:27) Konstantin's Ethereum Foundation

    (01:12:23) Fire Dancer Forks

    - -

    Disclaimer

    Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation.


    Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Rex, Jon, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.


    Inside Coinbase's Bitcoin-Backed Loans | Paul Frambot, Morpho Labs Jan 22, 2025
    Show notes

    In today's episode Morpho CEO Paul Frambot breaks down their partnership with Coinbase that enables Bitcoin-backed loans through DeFi infrastructure. The conversation explores how Morpho's modular architecture allows seamless integration for major institutions while maintaining transparency and risk controls. Paul discusses Morpho's evolution from focusing purely on institutional clients to balancing both retail and B2B strategies. To close Mike and Paul discuss their thoughts on regulation, memecoins, and the challenging balance between innovation and user protection in DeFi.

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    Subscribe on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ExpansionPod

    Subscribe on Apple: http://apple.co/4bGKYYM

    Subscribe on Spotify: http://spoti.fi/3Vaubq1


    Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/

    --

    Timestamps:

    (00:00) Introduction

    (02:08) US Crypto Strategic Reserve

    (15:26) Tether's USDT Zero

    (23:28) USDC vs USDT

    (30:22) Ink vs Base Interop

    (34:08) App Chains vs Gen Purpose

    (38:42) Do Bitcoiners Want L2s?

    (50:12) Solana's Market Share

    (54:29) Coinbase USDC Loans on BTC

    (59:58) Unwarranted Bankless Fire

    (01:03:57) Crypto's Funding Mechanisms

    - -

    Disclaimer

    Expansion was kickstarted by a grant from the Celestia Foundation.


    Nothing said on Expansion is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Rex, Jon, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.


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