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    Drummers on Drumming

    A podcast for drummers who think too much. Ben Hilzinger talks to the greats about creativity, identity, staying sane, and finding purpose behind the kit.
    Powered by Big Fat Snare Drum. For more inforamtion, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram.

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    Big Fat Five: Fred Eltringham (Sheryl Crow) Shares His Top 5 Influential Records Mar 05, 2025
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    This week’s guest is Fred Eltringham! If you listened to our recent episode with Sterling Laws, you heard Fred get a lot of love as one of Sterling’s five picks—so it was an honor to finally have him on the show himself.

    And I gotta say…his voice is so soothing and calm. Puts mine to shame.

    Fred has been playing with Sheryl Crow since 2012, but his résumé also includes The Wallflowers, The Chicks, kd lang, Willie Nelson, Gigolo Aunts, Juliana Hatfield, Ben Kweller, and plenty more. He’s a steady, calm ship at sea behind the kit, and it seems like songwriters line up around the block to work with him.

    In addition to his international touring with Sheryl, you can catch him on Instagram whenever he’s doing something cool in Nashville—especially with Jules Belmont, as part of their tasty little instrumental group.

    So, please enjoy my chat with Fred Eltringham about the five records that shaped him into the musician he is today.

    As promised…CLICK HERE for Fred’s current play-along playlist…

    Cheers!

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    Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit.


    FRED'S BIG FAT FIVE:


    Artist - Led Zeppelin

    Album - Led Zeppelin I

    Release Year - 1969

    Key Track(s) - "Good Times, Bad Times," "Dazed and Confused"

    Drummer - John Bonham

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    Artist - The Beatles

    Album - Abbey Road

    Release Year - 1970

    Key Track(s) - "Come Together," "You Never Give Me Your Money," "Polythene Pam," "She Came In Through The Bathroom Window," "Golden Slumbers," "Carry That Weight," "The End"

    Drummer - Ringo Starr

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    Artist - Squeeze

    Album - Singles

    Release Year - 1989

    Key Track(s) "Pulling Mussels," "Tempted"

    Drummer - Gilson Lavis

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    Artist - Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers

    Album - Greatest Hits

    Release Year - 1993

    Key Track(s) "The Waiting," "Last Dance With Mary Jane," "Free Fallin"

    Drummers - Stan Lynch, Phil Jones

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    Artist - Sheryl Crow

    Album - Sheryl Crow

    Release Year - 1996

    Key Track(s) - "If It Makes You Happy," "Sweet Rosalyn," "Home"

    Drummers - Michael Urbano, Brian Macleod, Jim Keltner, Pete Thomas

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    Any Honorable Mentions?

    Lucinda Williams - Car Wheels on a Gravel Road (Donald Lindley on drums) / Essence (Jim Keltner on drums)

    Mitch Mitchell - The Jimi Hendrix Experience

    Buddy Miles - Band of Gypsys

    Jim Keltner - All things: Steely Dan, Leon Russell, John Lennon, George Harrison, Traveling Wilburys

    Jim Gordon - Sessions, Leon Russell, Harry Nilsson

    Harry Nilsson - The Point (John Guerin on drums), Nilsson Schmilsson (Jim Gordon on drums)

    Charlie Watts - All things Rolling Stones

    Keith Moon, Kenny Jones (The Faces) - The Who: Who's Next, Tommy, Live from the Isle of Wight, It's Hard

    Nick Mason - Pink Floyd

    Gary Mallaber - Steve Miller Band Greatest Hits 1974–78

    Levon Helm - The Band

    Alex Van Halen

    Dave Houghton - Joe Jackson's Look Sharp

    Dave Grohl - Anything he drums on

    Queens of the Stone Age - First 3 albums: Nick Lucero, Gene Trautmann, Dave Grohl, Alfredo Hernández

    Steve Jordan / Charley Drayton - X-Pensive Winos: Live at the Palladium, Main Offender

    Stevie Wonder - Songs in the Key of Life, Innervisions

    Prince - Dirty Mind through Diamonds and Pearls

    Roger Hawkins - Muscle Shoals / Sessions / Aretha Franklin: The House That Jack Built, Respect

    Russ Kunkel - Joni Mitchell, James Taylor, Linda Ronstadt, Carole King

    The list goes on and on and on...I've reached max characters!


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    Records That Define the 70's Drum Sound Feb 26, 2025
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    This week’s episode is going to be a little different. I’m starting a new, perhaps self-indulgent series where I pose a question on the Big Fat Snare Drum Instagram and make an episode out of your responses. Maybe it’ll stick. Who knows?…but these are the conversations I have with my musician friends anyways, so now I’m just pushing record. The first question posed was “which records helped define the 70’s drum sound?”. We got A LOT of responses and opinions were certainly shared (THANK YOU!) Ihad to shave a 5,000 hour playlist down to a handful of songs. Then, I called up my good buddy and amazing drummer, Jake Reed, to chat with me about his views on 70’s recording techniques and listen to the songs with me. Please enjoy!

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    For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, and TikTok.

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    Big Fat Five: Chris "Woody" Wood (Bastille) Shares His Top 5 Influential Records Feb 19, 2025
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    Welcome back to Drummers on Drumming, the podcast powered by Big Fat Snare Drum. This is another segment of Big Fat Five, where I invite my favorite drummers to break down the five records that shaped their approach to the instrument.

    Today, I’m joined by my friend Chris “Woody” Wood, drummer for the internationally loved band, Bastille. Since exploding onto the scene with Bad Blood in 2013, Bastille has become a staple of modern alt-pop—balancing sweeping, atmospheric moments with massive sing-along choruses.


    Woody’s playing is a perfect example of how space, groove, and feel can elevate a song without ever getting in the way—something especially crucial in an arena-sized band like Bastille. But make no mistake, he still finds his moments, keeping his playing fresh, musical, and relevant for well over a decade.


    Beyond the kit, Woody is just a hilarious and thoughtful dude. He even co-hosts his own podcast, Away Days w/ Woody and Piers, a comedic deep dive into the world of away football fandom. We get into all of that and more—while uncovering the five records that shaped him into the drummer he is today.

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    Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit.


    CHRIS' BIG FAT FIVE:


    Artist - Red Hot Chili Peppers

    Album - Californication

    Release Year - 1999

    Key Track - "Scar Tissue"

    Drummer - Chad Smith

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    Artist - Queens Of The Stone Age

    Album - Songs For The Deaf

    Release Year - 2002

    Key Track(s) - "Hangin' Tree," "Millionaire"

    Drummer - Dave Grohl

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    Artist - Smashing Pumpkins

    Album - Mellon Collie and The Infinite Sadness

    Release Year - 1995

    Key Track(s) - "Jelly Belly," "Bullet With Butterfly Wings"

    Drummer - Jimmy Chamberlin

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    Artist - Mars Volta

    Album - Deloused In The Comatorium

    Release Year - 2003

    Key Track(s) - "Inertiatic ESP," "Cicatraz ESP"

    Drummer - Jon Theodore

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    Artist - Nate Smith

    Album - ANYTHING HE PLAYS ON


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    The Drum Panel: Mental Health > Paradiddles, Signature Sticks and Dream Lessons Feb 12, 2025
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    Episode 11 of The Drum Panel

    Welcome to The Drum Panel—a show where a rotating group of professional drummers engages in roundtable discussions pertaining to all things DRUM.

    For today's panel, we have my co-host Eric Urrea and special guest, Britt Bowman (Demi Lovato, KiNG Mala, Meg Myers, Royal and the Serpent, Toni Cornell).

    Today we discuss:

    • What’s the one piece of gear you’ve held onto the longest—and why?
    • Are signature drumsticks a genuine advantage or just a marketing ploy?
    • If you only had one hour per week to practice, how would you maximize your progress?
    • Is it more beneficial for your creativity to immerse yourself in one album for a full week or explore a new record every day?
    • Why every drummer needs a creative outlet outside of their career.
    • How mental health directly impacts your drumming—and what to do about it.

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    For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram.

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    Big Fat Five: Ian Matthews (Kasabian) Shares His Top 5 Influential Records Feb 05, 2025
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    Welcome back to Drummers on Drumming, the podcast powered by Big Fat Snare Drum. This is another segment of Big Fat Five, where I invite my favorite drummers to break down the five records that shaped their approach to the instrument.


    Today, I’m joined by Ian Matthews, drummer for the "future rock" band Kasabian—a group that, like many of the greats, enjoys massive success outside the U.S. while somehow remaining criminally underrated stateside. With eight studio albums and a reputation for explosive, anthemic live shows, Kasabian has been shaping the sound of modern rock for decades. And at the heart of it all? Ian Matthews—the powerhouse engine behind their dynamic and electrifying sound.


    We cover a lot in this conversation—stuff that will help any drummer level up their playing and presence on the kit. I also want to mention something special: If you've listened to The Drum Panel recently, you know I’ve talked about a certain project from November 2024 that I was really stoked about. Well, Ian was one of my main inspirations for those sessions.


    This one meant a lot. Enjoy the five records that shaped Ian Matthews into the drummer he is today.

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    Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit.


    IAN'S BIG FAT FIVE:


    Artist - Buddy Rich

    Album - Live At Ronnie Scott’s

    Release Year - 1972

    Key Track - "Time Being"

    Drummer - Buddy Rich

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    Artist - Leo Sayer

    Album - Endless Flight

    Release Year - 1976

    Key Track - "When I Need You"

    Drummer - Jeff Porcaro, Steve Gadd, Rick Shlosser, Nigel Olsson, Ed Greene,

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    Artist - Dave Brubeck

    Album - Time Out

    Release Year - 1959

    Key Track - "Take 5," "Blue Rondo á la Turk"

    Drummer - Joe Morello

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    Artist - Iron Maiden

    Album - Live After Death

    Release Year - 1985

    Key Track - "Aces High"

    Drummer - Nicko McBrain

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    Artist - Steely Dan

    Album - Aja

    Release Year - 1977

    Key Track - "Aja," "Home At Last"

    Drummer - SteveGadd, Bernard Purdie, Jim Keltner, Rich Moratta, Ed Greene

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    Big Fat Five: Jason Gerken (Shiner, Hum, Molly McGuire) Shares His Top 5 Influential Records Jan 29, 2025
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    Today, we’ve got another segment of the podcast called Big Fat Five. This is where I invite my favorite drummers on the show to break down the five records that helped shape their approach to the instrument.

    Our guest today is Jason Gerken, a Kansas City-based drummer known for his work with Molly McGuire, Shiner, Open Hand, Project 86, and most recently, Hum. After our episode with Jared Shavelson a few weeks ago, I got a flood of DMs from people thanking me for introducing them to Jason’s drumming on The Egg by Shiner. I knew I had to get him on ASAP. Jason’s drumming carries so much weight—in every sense of the word. I know a lot of my friends were especially looking forward to this one, so here you go. I hope you all enjoy the five records that shaped Jason Gerken into the drummer he is today.

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    JASON'S BIG FAT FIVE:

    Artist -Chicago

    Album -IX

    Release Year -1975

    Key Track -Beginnings

    Drummer -Danny Seraphine

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    Artist - Rush

    Album -Moving Pictures

    Release Year -1981

    Key Track -Red Barchetta

    Drummer -Neil Peart

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    Artist -Jimi Hendrix Experience

    Album -Essentials 1&2

    Release Year -1967

    Key Track(s) - "If 6 Was 9" and other B-sides

    Drummer -Mitch Mitchell

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    Artist -Yes

    Album -Fragile

    Release Year -1971

    Key Track -Heart of the Sunrise

    Drummer - Bill Bruford

    -

    Artist -Government Issue

    Album -You/Crash

    Release Year -1987

    Key Track - Jaded Eyes

    Drummer -Peter Moffett

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    HONORABLE MENTIONS:

    Artist - Bitch Magnet

    Album - Umber

    Release Year - 1989

    Key Track - Navajo Ace

    Drummer - Orestes Delatorre

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    Artist - Steely Dan

    Album - The Royal Scam

    Release Year - 1976

    Key Track - Green Earrings

    Drummer - Bernard Purdie

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    Artist - Bastro

    Album - Diablo Guapo

    Release Year - 1989

    Key Track - Sing the Troubled Beast

    Drummer - John McEntire

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    Artist - Helmet

    Album - Strap It On

    Release Year - 1992

    Key Track - FBLA

    Drummer - John Stanier

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    The Drum Panel: Defining Success, Underrated Drummers, and the Gear We Love (That’s Not a Drum) Jan 22, 2025
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    Episode 10 of The Drum Panel

    Welcome to The Drum Panel—a show where a rotating group of professional drummers engages in roundtable discussions pertaining to all things DRUM.

    For today's panel, we have my co-host Eric Urrea and special guest, Jessica Burdeaux (Covet, City Mouth, Host of Reverb.com's "What's That Sound?" series on YouTube).

    Today we discuss:

    • How do we get into the mindset of authentically emulating grooves?
    • Thinking like a producer: Approaching drumming with overdubbing and auxiliary percussion in mind.
    • What’s a style of music you feel you should know more about?
    • How do you decide when to cut yourself off from outside influences?
    • What’s your favorite piece of music gear that isn’t a drum or cymbal?
    • If you could play one iconic groove perfectly, what would it be?
    • Who are some drummers you think are underrated right now?
    • How do you currently define success as a drummer?
    • Are koalas marsupials?


    As promised...

    Josh Freese

    Jason Gerken

    Casey Deitz

    Valerie Franco

    Ulf Mickael Wahlgren

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    Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit.

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    Big Fat Five: Jared Shavelson (Joyce Manor, Seal, Mariachi el Bronx, Ways Away, The Hope Conspiracy, Boysetsfire, Paint It Black, Chuck Ragan) Jan 15, 2025
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    Today, we’ve got another segment of the podcast called Big Fat Five. This is where I invite my favorite drummers on the show to break down the five records that helped shape their approach to the instrument. This format also inspired my book, Drummers on Drumming, which is available now as a paperback or ebook on Amazon.

    Today’s guest is Jared Shavelson. I met Jared through a mutual buddy and Big Fat Five alum, Mike Robinson. Jared is the real deal. He studied jazz in college but left early to kickstart his career—and it’s safe to say that decision paid off. Over the years, he’s played with Seal, The Bronx, Mariachi El Bronx, Joyce Manor, The Hope Conspiracy, Paint It Black, The Aquabats, and so many others.

    I just saw him perform with Mariachi El Bronx on New Year’s Eve, opening for Morrissey at The Palladium. He was playing a cocktail kit, and the Afro-Cuban rhythms he was laying down were absolutely insane—I was completely blown away.

    Now, we were supposed to record this a few days ago, but life in LA had other plans. Between the fires and travel chaos, it was hard to pin down a time. Jared ended up flying out of Los Angeles Thursday night, only to get stuck in Atlanta during a snowstorm when his flight was canceled. After being stranded at the airport for 18 hours, he decided to help pass the time by hopping on the mic with me. That’s why the audio in this episode might be a little rough—picture Jared huddled in the corner of a busy terminal while we recorded.

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    Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit.


    JARED'S BIG FAT FIVE:

    Album - Led Zeppelin 1

    Artist - Led Zeppelin

    Release Year - 1969

    Key Track(s) - Good times bad times / How Many More Times

    Drummer - John Bonham

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    Album - Time Out

    Artist - Dave Brubeck

    Release Year - 1959

    Key Track(s) - Take Five / Kathy’s Waltz

    Drummer - Joe Morello

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    Album - Alice In Chains Unplugged

    Artist - Alive in Chains

    Release Year - 1996

    Key Track(s) - Nutshell / No Excuses / Down in a Hole

    Drummer - Sean Kinney

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    Album - Out of Step

    Artist - Minor threat

    Release Year - 1984

    Key Track(s) - Betray

    Drummer - Jeff Nelson

    -

    Album - The Egg

    Artist - Shiner

    Release Year - 2001

    Key Track(s) - The Egg / Surgery / Andalusia

    Drummer - Jason Gerken


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    The Drum Panel: 2024's Biggest Wins, Unexpected Lessons, and the Stack Debate Jan 08, 2025
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    Episode 9 of The Drum Panel

    Welcome to The Drum Panel—a show where a rotating group of professional drummers engages in roundtable discussions pertaining to all things DRUM.

    For today's panel, we have my co-host Eric Urrea and special guest, Kris Mazzarisi (owner/founder of Big Fat Snare Drum & drummer for Winnetka Bowling League).

    Today we discuss:

    • What was the most game-changing moment in your drumming or musical journey this year?
    • Which performance, session, or project from this year holds a special place in your heart—and what made it so meaningful?
    • What’s one surprising thing you discovered about yourself as a musician this year?
    • Did any piece of gear or tool unexpectedly transform your playing this year? Share your story!
    • Hot take: Is spending more than $100 on a stack just plain unnecessary?
    • Time to settle the debate—Is Buddy Rich a legend or just overhyped?
    • Let’s get it out there: What are some of your biggest drumming pet peeve?


    Listen to 500 Anõs by La Armada HERE

    Check out Kris' cute little digital recorder HERE

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    Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit.

    For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram.

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    Excerpts from My Book: Drummers on Drumming, Part 1 Dec 25, 2024
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    Ok, I promise I won’t be promoting my book forever—but give me at least a few weeks to talk about it (I’m proud of it!). And hey, the sooner you grab a copy, the sooner you’ll stop feeling guilty... and, well, left out.

    In this episode, I read a few excerpts from my new book, Drummers on Drumming. You’ll hear stories and song choices from incredible drummers like Jason McGerr, Madden Klass, Jojo Mayer, Noa Kahn, Andrew Marshall, Michael Benjamin Lerner, and Brendan Buckley. These highlights give you a taste of the insights and inspiration you’ll find in the book. I hope you enjoy these glimpses into the creative minds of today's top players.

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    Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit.

    For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram.

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