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    Drummers on Drumming

    A podcast for drummers who think too much. Ben Hilzinger talks to the greats about creativity, identity, staying sane, and finding purpose behind the kit.
    Powered by Big Fat Snare Drum. For more inforamtion, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram.

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    Copyright: © Ben Hilzinger

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    Latest Episodes:
    The Drum Panel: You’re totally not a mound of dirt Jul 23, 2025
    Show notes
    • Ben (me..hi!), Mark Stepro (The Wallflowers) and Eric Urrea (Marina City) talk about the gear that go away...
    • Our favorite BAD recordings
    • How to stay in love with drumming when it’s also your job
    • When to say yes to a gig—and when to walk away
    • Should you charge for prep time? And how much is your time actually worth?
    • Why some “Instagram drummers” aren’t your competition—and that’s fine

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    Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today!

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    Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit.

    For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.bigfatsnaredrum.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠, Twitter, and TikTok.

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    Big Fat Five: Marcus Finnie (Drummer/Composer/Educator) Shares His Top 5 Influential Records Jul 16, 2025
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    This week’s installment of Big Fat Five features Marcus Finnie…a proud Memphis native now based in Nashville and he’s one of the most respected session drummers and educators around. His credits span genres and include icons such as Donna Summer, Billy Preston, Larry Carlton, Keb Mo, Taj Mahal, Lady A, and many more. He’s also played on multiple grammy winning and grammy nominated records.

    I recently went down a rabbit hole watching his clinics and he was too insightful and talented NOT have on the show. So here we go. I hope you enjoy the records that helped shape Marcus Finnie into the impactful musician he is today.

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    Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today!

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    Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit.

    For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.bigfatsnaredrum.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠, Twitter, and TikTok.

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    The Drum Panel: Gunnar Sounds Great! Jul 09, 2025
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    In this PART 2 episode of The Drum Panel, I’m yet again joined by drummers Gunnar Olsen (Puscifer, Big Data) and Eric Urrea (Marina City) for a deep dive into the internal lives of drummers — the anxiety, the self-doubt, the flow states, and the fears we rarely talk about.

    Today we discuss:

    • The adrenaline of live shows
    • How we learn songs
    • Reoccurring drummer nightmares
    • The power of simple praise
    • Content creation as practice
    • Drummer swap fantasies
    • The burden drummers carry
    • Looking ahead for The Drum Panel

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    Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today!

    🎯⁠⁠⁠⁠Click here to order now!⁠⁠⁠⁠

    Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit.

    For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.bigfatsnaredrum.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠, Twitter, and TikTok.

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    The Drum Panel: Debby Boone Pat Pat Jul 02, 2025
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    In this episode, The Drum Panel returns with ME (Ben Hilzinger), alongside my co-host Eric Urrea (Marina City), Gunnar Olsen (Puscifer, Bruce Springsteen, Mother Feather) for a roundtable discussion on all things drum.

    Today we discuss:

    • How Gunnar personalizes drum parts for legacy bands like Eve 6 while still respecting the original recordings
    • The balance between improvisation and replication—what “respecting the instrument” really means
    • Dream gear: Lars Ulrich’s ...And Justice for All Tama kit and Herb Alexander’s wild setup from “My Name Is Mud”
    • Behind the scenes of the Primus / Puscifer / A Perfect Circle tour and being at the center of major drum world headlines
    • Josh Freese’s quiet exit from Foo Fighters mid-tour and what Gunnar learned from watching him handle it with grace and intensity
    • The surreal story of getting the call to play on a Bruce Springsteen record
    • How much creative freedom Gunnar gets with Puscifer and how each tour takes on its own sonic identity
    • Navigating feedback in the studio vs. live gigs—and why the context always matters
    • Gunnar’s candid reflection after a rough wedding gig and how it reignited his desire to practice
    • Blending live drums with electronic stems: what Gunnar calls the “hip-hop show” approach
    • The mysterious phenomenon of “next day clarity” when learning new songs and why the brain needs rest
    • Overcoming overthinking, performance anxiety, and “the yips”—and the importance of showing yourself grace
    • Why not playing for a while might be the best practice you didn’t know you needed

    'My Name Is Mud' Video - DRUM PICS

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    Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today!

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    Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit.

    For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.bigfatsnaredrum.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠, Twitter, and TikTok.

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    The Drum Panel: The Schelp is Real...I'm Happy? Jun 25, 2025
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    In this episode, The Drum Panel returns with ME (Ben Hilzinger), alongside my co-host Eric Urrea (Marina City), Cain Daniel (Jesus Molina, Derek Hough) for a roundtable discussion on all things drum.

    Today we discuss:

    • How we get out of a creative rut
    • Redefining success — how your goals change as you grow
    • Self-work — therapy, breathwork, and staying sane on the road
    • Live performance as meditation — the balance between awareness and letting go
    • Gear stories that hurt
    • Pushing back on bad adviceIf your younger self saw you now… — the reality vs. the fantasy
    • Insurance tips every musician should know (seriously)

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    Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today!

    🎯⁠⁠⁠⁠Click here to order now!⁠⁠⁠⁠

    Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit.

    For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.bigfatsnaredrum.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠, Twitter, and TikTok.

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    The Drum Panel: Taste Is Fake, but My Feelings Are Real Jun 18, 2025
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    In this episode, The Drum Panel returns with ME (Ben Hilzinger), alongside my co-host Eric Urrea (Marina City), Max Flanders (Lukas Nelson), and Dean Sinclair (Capital Soirée, Worry Club, Ostin) for a roundtable on the ever-fragile topic of taste.

    Today we discuss:

    • How to handle unsolicited feedback without spiraling into existential dread
    • The delicate balance between self-expression and being hireable
    • Whether “good taste” is something you're born with—or can develop
    • That awkward moment when a producer tells you to “play something you’re already playing”
    • Learning to interpret non-drummer feedback without losing your mind
    • The anxiety of showing people your work… and how to move past it
    • Whether your teenage influences are a crutch… or your secret weapon
    • Developing your own voice in a world full of technically perfect drummers—and incoming AI
    • Overcoming “red light syndrome” in the studio and learning to groove under pressure

    This one is for anyone who's ever questioned their taste, their technique, or their place in the industry. It’s funny, raw, and packed with perspective.

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    Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today!

    🎯 ⁠⁠Click here to order now!⁠⁠

    Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit.

    For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out ⁠⁠www.bigfatsnaredrum.com⁠⁠ and follow us on ⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠, ⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠, Twitter, and TikTok.

    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices


    Big Fat Five: Ari Hoenig (Drummer / Educator) Shares His Most Influential Records Jun 11, 2025
    Show notes

    My guest today is Ari Hoenig — drummer, composer, educator, and all-around wizard behind the kit. Ari is known for his melodic, almost vocal approach to the drums, especially his ability to bend pitch and bring out distinct note choices on the instrument in a way that sounds nearly impossible. He’s collaborated with artists like Chris Potter, Kurt Rosenwinkel, Joshua Redman, and many others, but it’s his own solo work that really puts a spotlight on his creative spirit.

    In this episode, Ari walks through five records that helped shape his unique voice — from the expressive swing of Papa Jo Jones to the unconventional phrasing of Thelonious Monk. We also dive into Ari’s early classical roots, why Keith Jarrett changed his musical DNA, and how he began developing his signature melodic drumming approach.

    Hope you enjoy the five records that shaped Ari Hoenig into the deeply expressive and fiercely original musician he is today.

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    ARI'S BIG FAT FIVE:

    Artist – Keith Jarrett
    Album – Belonging
    Release Year – 1974
    Key Track – "Spiral Dance"
    Drummer – Jon Christensen

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    Artist – Jo Jones
    Album – The Jo Jones Trio: The Everest Years
    Release Year – 1959
    Key Track – "Philadelphia Bound"
    Drummer – Jo Jones

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    Artist – Kenny Garrett
    Album – Trilogy
    Release Year – 1995
    Key Track – "Wayne's Thing"
    Drummer – Brian Blade

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    Artist – Miles Davis
    Album – Nefertiti
    Release Year – 1968
    Key Track – "Nefertiti"
    Drummer – Tony Williams

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    Artist – Thelonious Monk
    Album – Monk's Dream
    Release Year – 1963
    Key Track – "Monk's Dream"
    Drummer – Frankie Dunlop

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    Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today!

    🎯 ⁠⁠Click here to order now!⁠⁠

    Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit.

    For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out ⁠⁠www.bigfatsnaredrum.com⁠⁠ and follow us on ⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠, ⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠, Twitter, and TikTok.

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    Big Fat Five: Billy Martin (Medeski, Martin & Wood) Shares His Most Influential Records Jun 04, 2025
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    This week’s guest is Billy Martin ... a world-renowned drummer, educator, visual artist, producer, and author. He has collaborated with some of the best, including (but certainly not limited to) John Scofield, John Zorn, Iggy Pop, Natalie Merchant, Flea and many more. Still, many people know him best for his work with Medeski, Martin & Wood, alongside John Medeski and Chris Wood. If you enjoy this episode, please go check out Billy’s interview with Mike Dawson on the Drum Candy podcast titled “Improvising and Cultivating a Creative Mindset”.

    I recently re-watched his anti-instructional film, Life on Drums, and I can’t recommend it enough. It's essentially a series of conversations between Martin and his first drum teacher, Allen Herman. These discussions delve into topics such as soloing, time, tone, phrasing, free playing, and so much more. Interspersed throughout are some pretty rad solo and duet performances…all filmed with a cinematic aesthetic. So check that out if that interests you.

    Right off the bat, we dive into the topic of soloing — something Billy encourages all drummers to do first thing when they sit behind the kit (even if just for five minutes), before jumping into the records that shaped him into the remarkable musician he is today.


    BILLY'S BIG FAT FIVE:

    Artist - Peter Tosh
    Album - Legalize It
    Release Year - 1976
    Key Track - "Legalize it"
    Drummer - Carlton "Santa" Davis, Carlton Barrett

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    Artist - Stevie Wonder
    Album - Talking Book
    Release Year - 1972
    Key Track - "Superstition"
    Drummer - Stevie Wonder

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    Artist - Dr. John
    Album - Gris Gris
    Release Year - 1968
    Key Track - "Mama Roux"
    Drummer - John Boudreaux

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    Artist - John Coltrane
    Album - Interstellar Space
    Release Year - 1974
    Key Track - "Jupiter Variation"
    Drummer - Rashied Ali

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    Artist - Charles Mingus
    Album - Mingus Ah Um
    Release Year - 1959
    Key Track - "Better Git It In Your Soul"
    Drummer - Dannie Richmond

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    Artist - Lil' Kim
    Album - Hard Core
    Release Year - 1996
    Key Track - "Queen Bitch"

    Artist - Wu-Tang Clan
    Album - Enter The Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
    Release Year - 1993
    Key Track - "Wu-Tang: 7th Chamber - Part II - Conclusion"
    Drummer - RZA (producer / beat maker)

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    Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today!

    🎯 ⁠Click here to order now!⁠

    Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit.

    For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out ⁠www.bigfatsnaredrum.com⁠ and follow us on ⁠Instagram⁠, ⁠Facebook⁠, Twitter, and TikTok.

    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices


    The Drum Panel: Pocket, Pep Talks & Paris Regrets May 28, 2025
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    Welcome back to Drummers on Drumming, powered by Big Fat Snare Drum.

    In this part two episode, I continue my deep-dive chat with co-host Eric Urrea (Marina City) — picking up right where last week’s marathon conversation left off.

    Today we discuss:

    • The most useful failures musicians face (and how to reframe them)
    • Why “pocket” means something different on every gig
    • Learning to own your voice — whether as a hired gun or band member
    • How to stay mentally and physically sane while on the road
    • Why doing non-music things on tour actually fuels your art

    We open up about imposter syndrome, ADHD, burnout, and what it really takes to balance creativity with professionalism.

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    Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today!

    🎯 ⁠⁠Click here to order now!⁠⁠

    Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit.


    For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out ⁠⁠www.bigfatsnaredrum.com⁠⁠ and follow us on ⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠.

    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices


    The Drum Panel: Master Rights, Mid-Gig Panic, and the Myth of “Making It” May 21, 2025
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    Welcome back to Drummers on Drumming, powered by Big Fat Snare Drum.

    In this episode of The Drum Panel, I’m joined by my co-host Eric Urrea (Marina City) for a laid-back but honest conversation about drumming, the music industry, self-worth, and everything in between.

    We had originally planned to bring on a guest, but when that fell through, we decided to just catch up and hit record—which, honestly, ended up being exactly what we needed.


    Today we discuss:

    • A belief we both held about drumming early on that we’ve since let go of.

    • Why learning kick drum patterns is my first step when tackling new material.

    • The very real anxiety of walking into a new gig and playing in front of a band for the first time.

    • Our approach to charting vs. memorizing—and why it changes depending on the situation.

    • Whether drummers deserve songwriting credit and how we navigate that conversation.

    • The difference between publishing and master rights, and what every drummer should understand about the business.

    • Our evolving definitions of “making it” as working musicians.

    • How our instruments can feel like both a source of pride and frustration—and how that ties into self-worth.

    • The constant push-pull between confidence and impostor syndrome, and how we deal with it.


    If you’re navigating your own creative path, juggling multiple projects, or just trying to stay inspired through the ups and downs, I think this episode will hit home.

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    Get Your Copy of the Drummers on Drumming Book Today!

    🎯 ⁠Click here to order now!⁠

    Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit.


    For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out ⁠www.bigfatsnaredrum.com⁠ and follow us on ⁠Instagram⁠.

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