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    Drummers on Drumming

    A podcast for drummers who think too much. Ben Hilzinger talks to the greats about creativity, identity, staying sane, and finding purpose behind the kit.
    Powered by Big Fat Snare Drum. For more inforamtion, check out www.bigfatsnaredrum.com and follow us on Instagram.

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    Terry Silverlight breaks down the music that shaped him Oct 01, 2025
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    Welcome back to Drummers on Drumming. This is another installment of Big Fat Five—the series where I sit down with my favorite drummers and ask them to break down the five records that shaped how they approach the kit.

    Lately I’ve been fortunate to have guests who’ve already appeared in other drummers’ Big Fat Fives, and today’s guest is one of them: Terry Silverlight.

    Terry’s career is so deep and wide-ranging that I almost don’t even want to start listing artists. His discography is massive — you can check it out on his website HERE and he’s still extremely active today. He was already recording at 14 on his brother Barry Miles’ record, and he hasn’t slowed down since. Along the way he’s worked with everyone from George Benson to Roberta Flack to Natalie Merchant, just to name a few.

    This episode doesn’t veer from the Big Fat Five format, but Terry interleaves the records that shaped him with the way music has been ingrained in his life from day one. I mention this at the top of our chat, but it’s worth saying again here — the through-line of music in Terry’s story is undeniable.

    Toward the end, I also ask him about a session that came up in Aaron Steele’s episode a while back, when Aaron brought up Terry’s work with the band Change. If you haven’t heard that one, go back and check it out — Aaron’s a young legend in his own right.

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    SONGS PLAYED IN THIS EPISODE:

    Artist – Barry Miles
    Album – White Heat
    Release Year – 1972
    Key Track – "White Heat"
    Drummer – Terry Silverlight

    Artist – Max Roach
    Album – Max Roach + 4 ... On The Chicago Scene
    Release Year – 1958
    Key Track – "Memo: To Maurice"
    Drummer – Max Roach

    Artist – The Tony Williams Lifetime
    Album – Emergency!
    Release Year – 1969
    Key Track – "Emergency"
    Drummer – Tony Williams

    Artist – Ravi Shankar & Alla Rakha
    Album – The Genius of Pandit Ravi Shankar
    Release Year – 1990
    Key Track – "Yaman - Gat in Matta Tal"
    Tabla – Alla Rakha

    Artist – Shakti
    Album – Mind Explosion (50th Anniversary Tour Live)
    Release Year – 2025
    Key Track – "5 In The Morning, 6 In The Afternoon"
    Tabla – Zakir Hussain

    Artist – McCoy Tyner
    Album – Trident
    Release Year – 1975
    Key Track – "Elvin (Sir) Jones"
    Drummer – Elvin Jones

    Artist – Airto Moreira
    Album – Fingers
    Release Year – 1973
    Key Track – "Fingers (El Rada)"
    Drummers – Airto Moreira & Ivan Conti

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    Calvin Rodgers breaks down the five records that influenced his playing Sep 24, 2025
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    Welcome back to Drummers on Drumming. This is another installment of Big Fat Five—the series where I sit down with my favorite drummers and ask them to break down the five records that shaped how they approach the kit.

    This week, I’m joined by the legendary Calvin Rodgers. His playing has helped define modern gospel drumming through his work with Fred Hammond, Kirk Franklin, and John P. Kee. And speaking of John P. Kee—Calvin’s performance on "Rain On Us" has come up again and again in other drummers’ Big Fat Fives. I had to ask him about it, and his story doesn’t disappoint.

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    CALVIN'S BIG FAT FIVE:

    Artist – Walter Hawkins
    Album – Love Alive II
    Release Year – 1978
    Key Track(s) – “Until I Found The Lord”
    Drummer – Joel Smith

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    Artist – Hezekiah Walker
    Album – Oh Lord We Praise You
    Release Year – 1991
    Key Track(s) – “Oh Lord We Praise You,” “He’s Sweet I Know,” “Walk In The Light”
    Drummer – Gerald Heyward

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    Artist – Babyface
    Album – Unplugged
    Release Year – 1997
    Key Track(s) – “Whip Appeal,” “I’ll Make Love To You”
    Drummer – Ricky Lawson

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    Artist – Dave Weckl
    Album – Synergy
    Release Year – 1999
    Key Track(s) – “High Life,” “Cultural Concurrence,” “Tower 99”
    Drummer – Dave Weckl

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    Artist – Kirk Franklin
    Album – The Rebirth of Kirk Franklin
    Release Year – 2002
    Key Track(s) – “Hossana,” “Don’t Cry,” “Brighter Day”
    Drummer – Terry Baker

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    Honorable Mention
    Artist – Mint Condition
    Album – Definition Of A Band
    Release Year – 1996
    Key Track(s) – “Intro,” “Let Me Be The One,” “Raise Up,” “Sometimes”
    Drummers – Stokely Williams, Chris Dave

    For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.bigfatsnaredrum.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠, Twitter, and TikTok.

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    Zach Danziger breaks down the five records that influenced his playing Sep 17, 2025
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    We’re back with another installment of Big Fat Five - a segment of the show where I chat with my favorite drummers about the 5 records that shaped their approach to the instrument. This week’s guest is Zach Danziger...a drummer/composer who refuses to let tradition box him in. From early days with Wayne Krantz to collaborations across jazz, fusion, film, and experimental projects, Zach has built a career that’s as deep as it is unpredictable.

    Sometimes you click with everything a guest says…and this conversation was just that. Talking with Zach not only made me more confident in who I am as a player, but also excited to explore elements I've been neglecting.

    That being said, I hope you enjoy the 5 records that helped shape Zach Danziger into the player he is today. Cheers.

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    ZACH'S BIG FAT FIVE:

    Artist – Bill Connors
    Album – Step It
    Release Year – 1985
    Key Track – “Step It”
    Drummer – Dave Weckl

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    Artist – Chaka Khan
    Album – Naughty
    Release Year – 1980
    Key Track – “Clouds”
    Drummer – Steve Ferrone

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    Artist – McCoy Tyner
    Album – Inner Voices
    Release Year – 1977
    Key Track – Uptown
    Drummer(s) – Eric Gravatt & Jack DeJohnette

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    Artist – Luther Vandross
    Album – Busy Body
    Release Year – 1983
    Key Track – For the Sweetness of Your Love
    Drummer – Yogi Horton

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    Artist – Squarepusher
    Album – Feed Me Weird Things
    Release Year – 1996
    Key Track - Squarepusher Theme
    Drummer – Programmed by Tom Jenkinson (Squarepusher)


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    The Drum Panel: Your Mind's Ear Sep 10, 2025
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    Today on The Drum Panel, we’ve got Dave Elitch and Sarab Singh.

    Dave has worked with The Mars Volta, Weezer, The 1975, Justin Timberlake, and plenty more. Alongside his playing career, he’s become a sought-after instructor on body mechanics and the psychology of performing. He’s put out two online courses—Getting Out of Your Own Way and Staying Out of Your Own Way—that dive deep into how the body moves behind the kit. His brand-new online course, Your Mind’s Ear, shifts the focus to sound and gear. Check out all of his courses ⁠HERE⁠!

    Joining us is our good friend Sarab Singh. He’s an incredibly talented drummer based in Los Angeles and currently plays with MUNA. Beyond that, he’s one of the best hangs I know, and the perfect bridge between me and Dave.

    This isn’t just a promo. We cover a lot of ground as always—but Dave’s new course is the glue that holds today’s conversation together.

    Check out all of his courses HERE!

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    For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.bigfatsnaredrum.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠, Twitter, and TikTok.

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    Xavier Ware (Bilmuri) breaks down the five records that influenced his playing Sep 03, 2025
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    On this episode of Big Fat Five, I’m joined by drummer Xavier Ware. He’s currently out on the road with Bilmuri, and his playing is UNREAL—able to blaze with the kind of intensity that feels like he’s getting paid by the note, then pivot into a dynamic, nuanced jazz approach with left-foot finesse that I honestly can’t wrap my head around. Both of those styles live so far outside my own playing, which made this conversation especially exciting.

    We discuss where he learned the jazz language, how he breaks down the incredibly technical songs he’s known for, and his journey toward appreciating the small things. And ultimately, how you shouldn’t strive for perfect timing or playing, but that perfect feeling, for both you and the audience.


    XAVIER'S BIG FAT FIVE:

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    Artist – Nerve
    Album – Prohibited Beats
    Release Year – 2009
    Key Track(s) – “Syncopath,” “Jabon,” “Far,” “7even”
    Drummer – Jojo Mayer

    Artist – Button Masher
    Album – The 16bit.Wav
    Release Year – 2020
    Key Track(s) – “Siblings,” “Meta Knight's Revenge” (from Kirby Superstar)
    Drummer – Midi

    Artist – Louis Cole
    Album – Quality Over Opinion
    Release Year – 2022
    Key Track(s) – “Laughing in Her Sleep,” “I’m Tight,” “Failing in a Cool Way”
    Drummer – Louis Cole

    Artist – Sonny Rollins
    Album – East Broadway Rundown
    Release Year – 1966
    Key Track(s) – “Front to Back”
    Drummer – Elvin Jones

    Artist – Yellowjackets
    Album – Blue Hats
    Release Year – 1997
    Key Track(s) – “CapeTown,” “Statue of Liberty,” “New Rochelle”
    Drummer – Will Kennedy

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    For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.bigfatsnaredrum.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠, Twitter, and TikTok.

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    Steve Goold (Drummer / Educator) breaks down the five records that influenced his playing Aug 27, 2025
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    I’ve been deep into working on the second book, which has me going back through a bunch of the older conversations. One that really stood out again was with Steve Goold.

    If you don’t know, Steve is actually the Steve of Steve’s Donut. He’s also played with Sara Bareilles, Owl City, Mat Kearney, and Scary Pockets, to name a few. But more than the resume, I was reminded how insightful he is. There’s this part where he talks about there being no neutral notes—like, every note carries weight, it’s never just filler. That idea has been rattling around in my head ever since I revisited the chat.

    Steve just put out his first release under his own name, a live recording called Solo Improvisations On Drumset, and you can watch the whole thing on YouTube HERE.


    STEVE'S BIG FAT FIVE:

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    Artist – Pearl Jam

    Album – Vs.

    Release Year – 1993

    Key Track – “Go”

    Drummer – Dave Abbruzzese

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    Artist – Owsley

    Album – Owsley

    Release Year – 1999

    Key Track – “Oh No the Radio”

    Drummer – Chris McHugh

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    Artist – Jeff Buckley

    Album – Grace

    Release Year – 1994

    Key Track – “Mojo Pin”

    Drummer – Matt Johnson

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    Artist – Happy Apple

    Album – Body Popping – Moon Walking – Top Rocking

    Release Year – 2000

    Key Track – “Where Does a Stranger Go on Christmas Eve?”

    Drummer – Dave King

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    Artist – Dogs of Peace

    Album – Speak Release

    Year – 1996

    Key Track – “The Truth”

    Drummer – John Hammond

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    For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.bigfatsnaredrum.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠, Twitter, and TikTok.

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    The Drum Panel: Every one of my friend's drum sets sounds better than mine. Aug 20, 2025
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    This Drum Panel episode picks up where we left off with Brendan Buckley (Shakira, Morrissey, Perry Farrell) and Gunnar Olsen (Puscifer, Mother Feather). If you missed Part 1, you’ll still follow along just fine—but it’s worth a listen.

    We dive right in with drummer nightmares before moving into bigger conversations about finding your own sound, overcoming roadblocks, and balancing identity as both artist and “brand.”

    Inside this episode:

    • Drummer nightmares on stage – including Brendan’s Shakira story that started as a trio
    • Bad advice worth ignoring – why “you need to play everything” isn’t always the path
    • Finding your own voice – doubling down on what makes you unique instead of being a jack of all trades
    • Hi-hat obsession – tone, touch, and why small changes shift the whole vibe
    • Roadblocks and breakthroughs – Gunnar’s kick pedal “yips” and Brendan’s double bass practice insights
    • Kit setups and identity – how your drum layout shapes your playing more than you think
    • Brand vs. authenticity – do drummers really need to market themselves, or is being great enough?

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    Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit.

    For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.bigfatsnaredrum.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠, Twitter, and TikTok.

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    The Drum Panel: Your electrician is my favorite drummer Aug 13, 2025
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    This Drum Panel brings together Brendan Buckley—drummer for Shakira, Perry Farrell, Morrissey, and more—and one of my closest friends, Gunnar Olsen of Puscifer, Mother Feather, Big Data, and ME to chat about...

    ...the difference between what works in the practice room and what works in an arena, charting versus memorizing, and how to respect the composition before making it your own. Brendan breaks down the “Shakira machine” and why clarity and projection beat busy parts when you’re playing to the back row.

    We also cover deep-dive listening versus casting a wide net, Bowie’s Berlin era, and the time Brendan’s electrician turned out to be one of my favorite drummers—and his too. It’s equal parts practical advice, music history, and great road stories from working drummers.

    Inside this episode

    • Arena truth: kick, snare, crashes beat ghost-note soup
    • The DW stainless kit that keeps coming back on tour
    • Shakira’s camp, subs, and how Brendan plans for “what if”
    • Learning 30 songs fast: charts, anchors, and staying calm
    • Deep-dive listening vs playlists, plus Bowie and Prince talk
    • The Alan Myers story and why “mic-friendly” drums matter

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    Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit.

    For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.bigfatsnaredrum.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠, Twitter, and TikTok.

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    The Drum Panel: What do you mean you like what I do? Aug 06, 2025
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    Welcome back to The Drum Panel!

    Featuring: Ben Hilzinger (me!), Joe Lana Jr. (@thecowboydrummer), and Eric Urrea (Marina City)

    Inside this episode:

    • Why Creators Struggle to Accept Compliments
    • The Trap of Overthinking Content Creation
    • Balancing Comedy, Drumming, and Self-Worth Online
    • When Do You Feel Like a Drummer vs. an Impostor?
    • The Subtle Art of Playing Soft and Why Grip Debates Are Overrated

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    For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.bigfatsnaredrum.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠, Twitter, and TikTok.


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    Cain Daniel (Jesus Molina) breaks down the five records that influenced his playing Jul 30, 2025
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    Welcome back to Drummers on Drumming, a podcast powered by Big Fat Snare Drum. I’m Ben Hilzinger, and this is another installment of Big Fat Five—where I ask my favorite drummers (and, honestly, just favorite people) to break down the five records that shaped how they approach the instrument.

    Today’s guest is Cain Daniel. You might’ve caught him on a recent episode of The Drum Panel, but this time he’s here for the Big Fat Five treatment.

    I first saw Cain play with Jesus Molina, and his creativity, clarity, and confidence behind the kit instantly stood out in the sea of drum videos I scroll through every day. He’s an LA-based drummer, a Berklee College of Music grad, and in recent years he’s played with Chappell Roan, Derek Hough, Engelbert Humperdinck, and plenty more.

    So let’s get into the five records that helped shape Cain Daniel into the drummer he is today. And while this isn’t a Drum Panel episode, we still take a few fun side quests along the way.


    CAIN'S BIG FAT FIVE:

    Artist - Dave Weckl

    Album -Master Plan

    Release Year - 1990

    Drummer - Dave Weckl

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    Artist - Dave Matthews Band

    Album - Busted Stuff

    Release Year - 2002

    Key Track - "Grey Street"

    Drummer - Carter Beauford

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    Artist - Tigran Hamasyan

    Album - Mockroot

    Release Year - 2015

    Drummer - Arthur Hnatek

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    Artist Rufus & Chaka Khan

    Album - Stompin’ at the Savoy

    Release Year - 1983

    Drummer John "JR" Robinson

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    Artist - Tower of Power

    Album - Back to Oakland

    Release Year - 1974

    Key Track(s) - "Don’t Change Horses (In the Middle of a Stream)"

    Drummer - David Garibaldi

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    HONORABLE MENTIONS:

    Artist - Avishai Cohen

    Album - Gently Disturbed

    Release Year - 2008

    Drummer - Mark Guiliana

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    Artist - Dirty Loops

    Album - Loopified

    Release Year - 2014

    Drummer - Aron Mellergard

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    Drummers on Drumming (the book) takes you inside the stories, records, and moments that shaped some of the world’s greatest drummers. Built on the Big Fat Five format of digging into top influences, it’s packed with candid interviews and personal insights. Whether you’re just starting out or have been playing for years, this book is here to inspire you to sharpen your skills and find your own voice behind the kit.

    For more information on Big Fat Snare Drum, check out ⁠⁠⁠⁠www.bigfatsnaredrum.com⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow us on ⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Facebook⁠⁠⁠⁠, Twitter, and TikTok.

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