Decoder with Nilay Patel

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Why nobody's stopping Grok Jan 22, 2026

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Grok, the chatbot made by Elon Musk’s xAI, is able to make all manner of AI-generated images on demand, including non-consensual intimate images of women and minors. It's the kind of "controversy" that would have completely sunk a platform five or 10 years ago, but now it seems clear that Elon wants Grok to be able to do this.

A lot of people feel like someone should be able to do something about a one-click harassment machine like this. But who has that power, and what they can do with it, is a deeply complicated question,tied up in the thorny mess of history that is content moderation and the legal precedents that underpin it. So I invited Riana Pfefferkorn, from the Stanford Institute for Human-Centered Artificial Intelligence, to come talk me through it.

Links:

Grok’s gross AI deepfakes problem | The Verge
Grok is undressing children — can the law stop it? | The Verge
Tim Cook and Sundar Pichai are cowards | The Verge
Senate passes a bill to let nonconsensual deepfake victims sue | The Verge
EU looks to ban nudification apps following Grok outrage | Politico
Grok flooded X with millions of sexualized images | The New York Times
The Supreme Court just upended internet law | The Verge
Mother of Elon Musk’s son sues xAI over sexual deepfake images | AP

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Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

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Razer CEO on AI in game dev, Grok, and anime waifus Jan 19, 2026

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We’re back to start the year with a very special live interview with Razer CEO Min-Liang Tan, which we taped in front of a terrific audience at Brooklyn Bowl in Las Vegas during CES. At this year’s show, Razer made headlines for something it calls Project Ava, an AI companion that has a physical presence in the real world, as an anime hologram that sits in a jar on your desk. It’s powered by, you guessed it, Elon Musk’s Grok.

There are a whole lot of choices bundled up in all of that, as well as Razer’s decision to go all-in on AI at a moment when the gaming community is outright rejecting it. So Min and I really got into it. I think you’ll have a lot to think about with this one.

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Razer is making an AI anime waifu hologram for your desk | The Verge
Razer thinks you’d rather have AI headphones instead of glasses | The Verge
Baldur’s Gate 3 studio says it won’t use AI for concept art or writing | The Verge
In 2025, AI became a lightning rod for gamers and devs | The Verge
Razer plans $600M push to capture 'untapped' AI gaming demand | Bloomberg
Replika CEO says it’s okay if we end up marrying AI chatbots | Decoder
Lawsuits blame ChatGPT for suicides and harmful delusions | NYT
Inside three longterm relationships with AI chatbots | NYT
Torment Nexus | Know Your Meme
The future of gaming is AI | Razer (Instagram)

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Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

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Rewind: How private equity kills companies and communities Jan 15, 2026

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Hey everyone, it’s Nilay. We’re settling back in here after the winter break and CES, and we’ll have new episodes for you starting next Monday. In the meantime, we wanted to highlight one of our favorites from last year: an interview with journalist and author Megan Greenwell about her book Bad Company: Private Equity and the Death of the American Dream.

My conversation with Megan last year was extremely illuminating as to why private equity does what it does to industries like healthcare, media and real estate — and just how deeply it's affecting the everyday lives of Americans everywhere. It's a really great conversation that feels just as timely today as it did last summer. Enjoy.

Links:

Bad Company | HarperCollins
How private equity kills companies and communities | Decoder
Private equity bought out your doctor and bankrupted Toys ‘R’ Us | Decoder
Private equity makes its first college sports play | Axios
Private equity Is gutting America — and getting away with it | NYT
I was fired from Deadspin for refusing to ‘stick to sports’ | NYT
Will private equity be the next ‘Big Short’? | Marketplace
The profit-obsessed monster destroying American ERs | Vox
Why your vet bill is so high | The Atlantic
The investment firms leave behind a barren wasteland’ | Politico

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Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

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Dropout CEO Sam Reich on the business of subscription comedy Jan 12, 2026

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We’ve got something special for you today. It’s my friend Hank Green, longtime YouTuber, science educator, and viral TikTok star, interviewing Dropout CEO Sam Reich.

Hank did this episode as a guest host over the summer, and it’s a fan favorite, bringing together two internet personalities that’ve known each other for a very long time and who have a lot of inside knowledge about how the internet, Hollywood, and entertainment all intertwine.

Links:

Dropout’s Sam Reich on business, comedy, and keeping the internet weird | Decoder
How Dropout broke through in 2025 | AV Club
Dropout CEO on launching ‘Superfan’ tier, crossing 1M subscribers | Variety
How CollegeHumor reinvented itself for the new internet age | People
CollegeHumor shaped online comedy. What went wrong? [2020] | Wired
‘I believe in this enough to try to do it myself’ [2020] | Digiday
Jacob Wysocki needed a minute to process that Game Changer | Vulture
Game Changer smartly weaponizes its online following | Mashable
Vimeo CEO Philip Moyer is betting on the human touch | Decoder
Vimeo to be acquired by Bending Spoons for $1.38B | The Verge

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Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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What’s next for Netflix and Paramount in the Warner Bros. battle Dec 22, 2025

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Hey everyone, it’s Nilay. Decoder is on our holiday break. We’ve got a lot of fun stuff coming up in the New Year, though, including a special Decoder Live at CES. Stay tuned for more details, including how to RSVP for free tickets.

In the meantime, we’ve got a great episode of the podcast Channels, featuring two of the best media reporters in the business. Host Peter Kafka sat down with Bloomberg’s Lucas Shaw to talk about the bidding war between Paramount SkyDance and Netflix over Warner Bros. Discovery. It’s the biggest story in entertainment right now, and this episode breaks down everything you need to know about the contentious acquisition.

Links:

"Neither Side Is Used to Losing”: Lucas Shaw on the battle for Warner Bros. | Channels
Five things we’re getting wrong about Warner Bros.′ Netflix deal | Bloomberg
Warner Bros.’ bidders brace for a fight that will last months | Bloomberg
WBD wants its shareholders to reject Paramount’s latest offer | The Verge
There are no good outcomes for the Warner Bros. sale | The Verge
Netflix is “100% committed” to releasing WB films in theaters | The Verge
Netflix is buying Warner Bros. for $83 billion | The Verge

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Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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"All chaos and panic": Nilay answers your burning Decoder questions Dec 18, 2025

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Hey everyone! Decoder senior producers Kate Cox and Nick Statt here. We’ve had a big year, including nearly 100 episodes, a new YouTube channel, an ad-free podcast feed, and a slate of great guest hosts while Nilay was on parental leave. It’s been a lot!

We’ve also had a lot of great questions and comments this year from you, our audience. So we pulled together all the feedback we’ve received on topics like CarPlay, Monday episode guest suggestions, and — of course — AI. And then we turned the tables on Nilay to ask him his thoughts on the past 12 months: What we liked, what we want to improve, and how he’s making decisions for Decoder in the new year.

Links:

Answering your biggest Decoder questions, 2024 edition | Decoder
The DoorDash Problem | Decoder
How decision making changes when AI answers are cheap and (too) easy | Decoder
Why GM will give you Gemini — but not CarPlay | Decoder
Rivian CEO: ‘We’re really convicted’ about skipping CarPlay | Decoder
How SharkNinja took over the home, with CEO Mark Barrocas | Decoder
Why Tubi CEO Anjali Sud thinks free TV can win again | Decoder
Disney accuses Google of copyright infringement following OpenAI deal | The Verge

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Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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Stack Overflow users don't trust AI. They're using it anyway Dec 15, 2025

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Stack Overflow CEO Prashanth Chandrasekar was last on the show in 2022 — just one month before ChatGPT launched and upended literally everything for Stack Overflow in a deeply existential way.

He called a company emergency, reallocated about 10 percent of the staff to figure out solutions to the ChatGPT problem, and made some pretty huge decisions about structure and organization to navigate that change — all of it pure Decoder bait.

Links:

2025 Developer Survey | Stack Overflow
The people who make your apps go to Stack Overflow for answers | Decoder
OpenAI, Stack Overflow partner to bring technical knowledge to ChatGPT | The Verge
Stack Overflow feeds programmers’ answers to AI whether they like it or not | The Verge
Stack Overflow cuts 28 percent of its staff | TechCrunch
AI-generated answers temporarily banned on Stack Overflow | The Verge
Stack Overflow’s strike is over, but problems persist | Jon Ericson
A new era of Stack Overflow | Stack Overflow

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Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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Sen. Ed Markey wants media companies to fight for the First Amendment Dec 11, 2025

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Massachusetts Sen. Ed Markey and I agree it seems like democracy is on the line right now, especially around the First Amendment and the increasing pressure the Trump administration — especially FCC chair Brendan Carr — is putting on free speech. I also had a lot of questions for Sen. Markey about the supposed TikTok ban, which no one seems to know anything about, and all the other problems we’re facing in 2025.

Links:

Even the lawmakers behind the TikTok ban have no idea what’s going on | The Verge
Carr’s FCC is an anti-consumer, rights-trampling harassment machine | The Verge
The FCC is a weapon in Trump’s war on free speech | Decoder
Here’s the Trump EO that would ban state AI laws | The Verge
Silicon Valley is rallying behind a guy who sucks | The Verge
Silicon Valley’s man in the White House is benefiting himself and his friends | The New York Times

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Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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Square's product chief on the death of the penny and the future of money Dec 08, 2025

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Today, I’m talking with Willem Avé, who’s the head of product at Square. You know Square — it was started by billionaire Jack Dorsey of Twitter fame more than 15 years ago, and it got big on the back of that little magnetic reader that once plugged into the headphone jack of the iPhone and let small businesses accept credit cards.

Nowadays, of course, Square is more than a credit card reader, and sadly, the headphone jack is ancient history. The company itself is now part of parent organization called Block, which is made up of a very interesting mix of financial services like Afterpay, Cash App, and, yes, the streaming music service Tidal. So Willem and I really got into where Square is headed next with AI and automation, why he’s excited about crypto and Bitcoin specifically, and even what it means that the US is discontinuing the penny.

Links:

Square’s public roadmap | Square
Jack Dorsey is reorganizing the entirety of Block | Fortune
How Block turned Square into a financial services giant | Fast Company
Block to roll out bitcoin payments on Square | Square
Square buys $170 million worth of bitcoin | CNBC
Square, Jack Dorsey’s payments company, changes its name to Block | NYT
The penny dies at 232 | NYT

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Decoder is produced by Kate Cox and Nick Statt and edited by Ursa Wright. Our editorial director is Kevin McShane.

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The tiny team trying to keep AI from destroying everything Dec 04, 2025

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Today, I’m talking with Verge senior AI reporter Hayden Field about some of the people responsible for studying AI and deciding in what ways it might… well, ruin the world. Those folks work at Anthropic as part of a group called the societal impacts team, which Hayden just spent time with for a profile she published this week on The Verge.

The team is just nine people out of more than 2,000 who work at Anthropic, and their only job, as the team members themselves say, is to investigate and publish quote "inconvenient truths” about AI. That of course brings up a whole host of problems, the most important of which is whether this team can remain independent, or even exist at all, as it publicizes findings about Anthropic's own products that might be unflattering or even politically fraught.

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