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Why GM will give you Gemini — but not CarPlay Oct 22, 2025

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Today’s guests are General Motors CEO Mary Barra and new GM Chief Product Officer Sterling Anderson. There’s a lot of big news the company just announced, including a Google Gemini-powered AI assistant that's coming to new cars and an entirely new hardware and software platform coming to the Escalade IQ in 2028 alongside true Level 3 autonomous driving.

So I asked Mary about all of that and how she's navigating the current moment, and her company's relationship with the Trump administration. I also got into the details on GM’s platform with Sterling, including its decision to ditch Apple CarPlay on its EVs and what all this looks like in the future as AI voice assistants and more capable autonomy come into the mix.

Read the full transcript on The Verge.

Links:

GM says hands-free, eyes-off driving is coming to Escalade IQ | The Verge
GM takes a $1.6 billion hit on EVs | ⁠The Verge
GM software boss on ditching CarPlay | Decoder
Ford CEO on China, tariffs, and the quest for a $30,000 EV | Decoder
The EV tax credit is gone — now the hard part begins | Decoder
GM blocks dealership from installing CarPlay retrofit kits in EVs | The Verge
Everybody hates GM’s decision to kill Apple CarPlay | The Verge
GM hires ex-Tesla, Aurora exec as chief product officer | CNBC
Cruise’s robotaxi service will shut down as GM pulls its funding | The Verge
Newsom names GM’s Mary Barra as villain in fight with feds | Streetlight CA

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Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

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Zocdoc CEO: "Dr. Google is going to be replaced by Dr. AI" Oct 20, 2025

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Hey everyone, it’s Nilay. I’m back from parental leave, and I’m really excited to jump back into Decoder. Today’s episode is a special one: I’m talking to Zocdoc CEO Oliver Kharraz, and we chatted live on stage at the TechFutures conference in New York City.

You’re almost certainly familiar with ZocDoc — it’s a platform that helps people find and book appointments with doctors. It’s a classic of the early app economy. The big difference is that Zocdoc plugs into the U.S. healthcare system, which is of course a giant mess, and that means Zocdoc has a big moat. So we talked about competition, navigating the US healthcare system, and, of course, what AI is doing to medicine.

Read the full transcript on The Verge.

Links:

"Superhuman" AI could transform medicine, Zocdoc CEO says | Axios
How AI is changing your doctors appointments | Fast Company
This Strategy ‘Nearly Killed’ Zocdoc. | Inc.
Zocdoc Turns 18 | Oliver Kharraz / LinkedIn
Meet Zo, the AI Phone Assistant for healthcare | Zocdoc

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Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

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The EV tax credit is dead. What now? Oct 16, 2025

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This is Jake Kastrenakes, executive editor at The Verge. I’m filling in for Nilay here while he settles back into full-time hosting duties. We’ve got a very good episode for you today. My guest is Verge transportation editor Andy Hawkins, and we’re talking about the federal EV tax credit.

The tax credit expired at the end of September, and there are a lot of questions about what happens to the auto industry after its demise. This is a really hard, complicated set of problems, with a lot of moving parts, so I was really excited to have Andy on the show to break down all of these components and give us a clearer picture about what’s coming next.

Links:

The EV tax credit is dead — here’s what happens next | The Verge
GM takes a $1.6 billion hit on EVs | The Verge
Ford CEO Jim Farley on China, tariffs, and affordable EV | The Verge
Ford lost $5 billion on EVs in 2024, teases new models | The Verge
EV makers fill tax-credit void with costly discounts | Automotive News
So much for Ford and GM’s scheme to extend the EV tax credit | The Verge
Stellantis replaces EV tax credit with its own discount | Automotive News
Tesla sales picking up thanks to expiring tax credit | The Verge
California Reverses Pledge To Revive EV Tax Credit | SF Chronicle
Global EV sales growth slows to 15% in August, research firm says | Reuters

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Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

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Announcing an ad-free Decoder feed for Verge subscribers Oct 15, 2025

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If you're a paid subscriber to the Verge, there's great news: you can now listen to Decoder, Version History, and The Vergecast completely ad-free. Just head to your Account Settings page to opt-in and start listening without ads. Not a member of The Verge yet? No worries! You can sign up at theverge.com/subscribe to get ad-free podcasts, plus other perks like exclusive newsletters and unlimited access to everything we publish.

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The AI industry is at a major crossroads Oct 09, 2025

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This is Hayden Field, senior AI reporter at The Verge and your Thursday episode guest host. It’s been a very big news week in AI, and a lot of it had to do with OpenAI, its DevDay in San Francisco this week, and the viral explosion of AI-generated video thanks to the company’s new Sora app.

So I brought in Kanjun Qiu, CEO of AI startup Imbue and a close watcher of the industry, to break down what’s really happening, why it’s happening, and the societal implications of it all.

Links:

All of the updates from OpenAI DevDay 2025 | The Verge
OpenAI wasn’t expecting Sora’s copyright drama | The Verge
I’ve fallen into Sora’s slippery slop | The Verge
Sora 2 users are having fun with Sam Altman’s face | The Verge
OpenAI will let developers build apps that work inside ChatGPT | The Verge
OpenAI wants ChatGPT to be your future operating system | Wired
Sora 2 watermark removers flood the web | 404 Media
What the arrival of AI-fabricated video means for us | NYT
Recruiters use AI to scan résumés — applicants are trying to trick it | NYT
Employers are buried in AI-generated résumés | NYT

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Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. This episode was edited by Xander Adams.

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Rivian CEO on CarPlay, Lidar, and affordable EVs Oct 06, 2025

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I’m Joanna Stern, the senior personal tech columnist at The Wall Street Journal, and this is my final Decoder episode filling in for Nilay while he’s out on parental leave. My guest today: Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe. This is RJ’s third time on the show, and it felt like the perfect follow-up to my conversation last week with Ford CEO Jim Farley.

I loved the idea of going straight from Ford to Rivian. And if you listened to the Farley episode, this one flows nicely. RJ and I cover a lot of the same challenges: tariffs, China, EV pricing. Of course, I also asked about CarPlay.

Read the full transcript on The Verge.

Links:

A pretty fascinating look under the hood of the Rivan R2 | The Verge
Rivian CEO says CarPlay isn’t going to happen | The Verge
Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe says too many carmakers are copying Tesla | Decoder
Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe isn't scared of the Cybertruck | Decoder
Rivian breaks ground on $5 billion Georgia plant | AP
Rivian narrows 2025 delivery guidance Q3 as production slips | WSJ
Rivian R2 remains on track for $45,000 and 2026 production | Car and Driver

Credits:

Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

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The good, the bad, and the future of AI agents Oct 02, 2025

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This is Hayden Field, senior AI reporter at The Verge and your Thursday episode guest host. Today, I’m talking with David Hershey, who leads the applied AI team at Anthropic. I wanted to have David on because earlier this week, Anthropic released a brand-new AI model called Claude Sonnet 4.5 that’s been making waves.

So I wanted to sit down with David, who spends a lot of time testing out what modes like Claude Sonnet 4.5 can and can’t do, to ask him where we are on this promise of AI agents, and also what the path forward looks like as agentic technology progresses.

Links:

Anthropic releases Claude Sonnet 4.5 in latest bid for AI agents | The Verge
ChatGPT’s built-in Buy Now button has arrived | The Verge
OpenAI really wants you to start your day with ChatGPT Pulse | The Verge
Anthropic’s Claude AI is playing Pokémon | The Verge
AI agents are science fiction not yet ready for primetime | The Verge
Agents are the future AI companies promise and need | The Verge
Amazon is betting on agents to win the AI race | Decoder

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Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

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Ford CEO Jim Farley on China, tariffs, and the quest for a $30,000 EV Sep 29, 2025

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This is Joanna Stern, senior personal technology columnist at The Wall Street Journal. I’m the last Monday guest host filling in for Nilay here on Decoder while he’s out on parental leave with his adorable new son, and I’m very excited to be talking today to Ford CEO Jim Farley.

I’m a longtime Decoder listener and my favorite episodes are car episodes. I think car CEOs are currently facing some of the most fascinating and complex challenges in both tech and business. So when I was asked to guest host the show I said, “That’s it, car CEOs.” And Farley was at the top of the list. This was a great conversation that covered a lot of ground. I think you’re going to like it.

Read the full transcript on The Verge.

Links:

I’ve been driving an EV for a year. I have only one regret. | WSJ
Ford reveals breakthrough process for lower priced EVs | The Verge
Ford is betting the future on smaller EV batteries | The Verge
Ford is doubling down on EVs — the timing is awful | The Verge
Ford’s CEO on the essential economy and its untapped potential | Aspen Institute
Ford rejigs EV plans after suffering billions in losses | NYT
Why Americans can’t buy the world’s best electric car | NYT
Ford CEO Jim Farley on building the electric F-150 | Decoder

Credits:

Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

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How AI safety took a backseat to military money Sep 25, 2025

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This is Hayden Field, senior AI reporter at The Verge — and your Thursday episode guest host. I have another couple of shows for you while Nilay is out on parental leave, and we’re going to be spending more time diving into some of the unforeseen consequences of the generative AI boom.

Today, I’m talking with Heidy Khlaaf, who is chief AI scientist at the AI Now Institute, about the tech industry’s shift toward AI military applications. I wanted to know what’s motivated this shift, and why Heidy thinks leading AI firms are being far too cavalier about deploying generative AI in high-risk scenarios.

Links:

OpenAI is softening its stance on military use | The Verge
OpenAI awarded $200 million US defense contract | The Verge
OpenAI is partnering with defense tech company Anduril | The Verge
Anthropic launches new Claude service for military and intelligence use | The Verge
Anthropic, Palantir, Amazon team up on defense AI | Axios
Google scraps promise not to develop AI weapons | The Verge
Microsoft employees occupy headquarters in protest of Israel contracts | The Verge
Microsoft’s employee protests have reached a boiling point | The Verge

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Decoder is a production of The Verge and part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Our producers are Kate Cox and Nick Statt. Our editor is Ursa Wright.

The Decoder music is by Breakmaster Cylinder.

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Dropout CEO Sam Reich on business, comedy, and keeping culture weird Sep 22, 2025

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Guest host Hank Green talks with his friend Dropout CEO Sam Reich about keeping a business simple, trying to run a company the “right way,” and why the internet should be full of as many weird little projects as possible.

Read the full transcript on The Verge.

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