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Transcending Health: The 282nd Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying Jun 26, 2025

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Today we discuss MAHA, wearables, health, and Israel. RFK Jr. announced that he hopes that in four years, all Americans will be wearing health tracking devices. What are the implications for individual health? Is hypothesis-driven science being undermined? Will equity be used as a way to force this on people? What should we think of the fact that Casey Means, the nominee to Surgeon General, has a company that incorporates wearables? What does Yuval Noah Harari have to tell us? Does having your data uploaded to the cloud seem like a good idea? There seem to be two very different models of how to MAHA: 1) hone your intuition, trust your senses, and try to create an environment with as little exposure to hyper-novelty as possible; or 2) tech your way out of the problem, and trans-humanize your way to success. Also: Bret introduces Warner the wearables werewolf. Breaking news: Israel and the U.S. appear to have brokered a deal that includes several other countries in the Middle East, and leaves open the possibility of a two-state solution.
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Mentioned in this episode:
RFK reprimanding congressman Pallone: https://x.com/endtribalism/status/1937533702382453215
RFK recommending wearables to all Americans: https://x.com/seckennedy/status/1937541852908974384
Yuval Noah Harari on biometrics: https://x.com/robinmonotti/status/1937792969765179776
Levels: https://www.levels.com
Aluminum in vaccines: https://x.com/thechiefnerd/status/1938274234968772949
Times of Israel report: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-netanyahu-agreed-to-end-gaza-war-within-two-weeks-after-us-strike-on-iran/

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Is James Lindsay Wrong About the 'Woke Right'? Jun 22, 2025

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James Lindsay has been in the “hot seat” for the last nine months over using and promoting the idea that there is a “woke right.” Bret Weinstein sits down with James for a special DarkHorse intervention. Joining them in Palm Springs is their friend and filmmaker, Michael Nayna.
Find James Lindsay on X at https://x.com/ConceptualJames and on https://newdiscourses.com.
Find Michael Nayna on X at https://x.com/mikenayna and on https://www.michaelnayna.com.
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Mentioned in this Episode:
- Bret’s tweet on the Woke Right: https://x.com/BretWeinstein/status/1920176340923252893
- The Case for Christian Nationalism https://amzn.to/3TydzYG
- The Communist Manifesto https://amzn.to/3T5iRe3
- Alien Powers: The Pure Theory of Ideology https://amzn.to/3G1qFdY
- Critical Constructivism Primer https://amzn.to/4lmaB5B
- From Class to Race: Essays in White Marxism and Black Radicalism https://amzn.to/3T08hoH
- The Rise of Right-Wing Wokeism https://media.thegospelcoalition.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/02195248/The-Rise-of-Right-Wing-Wokeism.pdf
- Trump’s tweet https://x.com/ConceptualJames/status/1840442778909630587
- James’ tweet explaining Operation Michael https://x.com/ConceptualJames/status/1840510556056195340

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Fooled Again? The 281st Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying Jun 17, 2025

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Today we discuss war, regime change, cyber-attacks, libertarianism, and driving. In what ways are Israel’s attack on Iran reminiscent of events from the past? Are the neo-cons back, or did they never go away? It would seem that we are being frog-marched to war. Speaking of destabilization: North America's largest publicly traded wholesale distributor of natural foods (UNFI) was hacked, leaving market shelves empty at tens of thousands of stores. In better news: Bret returned from FreedomFest, and provides a report, and discusses his model for Libertarianism 2.0. And: Matthew Crawford on why we drive. Which is better: horses or cars? We circle back to a discussion of efficiencies, coercion, and freedom.
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Mentioned in this episode:
Newsweek on DNI Gabbard and Iran: https://www.newsweek.com/tulsi-gabbard-iran-nuclear-weapon-2051523
Bret on Israel in 2023: https://x.com/BretWeinstein/status/1712588777737367564
FreedomFest 2025: https://freedomfest.com
Crawford 2020. Why We Drive: Toward a Philosophy of the Open Road https://amzn.to/4e4bVrc (commission earned)

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Putting COVID to the Smell Test: Neil Oliver on DarkHorse Jun 15, 2025

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Bret speaks with Neil Oliver on the subject of the fatigue and despondency stemming from ongoing global crises, the shift from production to consumption, and the complexities of the COVID pandemic, emphasizing the need for diverse perspectives and a deeper understanding of complex systems.
Find Neil Oliver on X at: https://x.com/thecoastguy
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Babies by Design: The 280th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying Jun 10, 2025

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Today we discuss hummingbirds, baby making, longevity hacking, and Jeffrey Epstein, before finishing up with a short discussion of the riots in LA. A new company is promising future parents that they will be able to create long-lived babies—what could go wrong? Also, how likely are they to be able to make good on their promises? We discuss, as always, with an evolutionary lens. Also: what a great business model! And: it is easier to fix something that is broken than it is to improve something that works. Then: Jeffrey Epstein apparently did kill himself after all. Or did he?
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Mentioned in this episode:
Wall Street Journal: Longevity Is Now a Factor When Picking an Embryo for IVF:
https://www.wsj.com/health/embryo-ivf-screening-longevity-2b1f096a
Koestler, The Act of Creation: https://amzn.to/4jIOXHq (commission earned)
Kash Patel & Don Bongino on Fox: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqI_sFSPbJQ
Patel on JRE about Epstein: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVlCUzbxtoE

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Pharma’s New Game: The 279th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying Jun 04, 2025

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Many topics today! First: FDA tentatively approves Moderna’s new mRNA shot for Covid. What? And also why? Bret has six main points, which include discussion of mucosal immunity, IgG4, auto-immunity, long-term consequences, statistical tricks, and homeopathy. Then: how do we know what is true, and how can we avoid jumping to conclusions when triggered by language or circumstances that seem familiar and frustrating?...As explored through the story of Algerian boxer Imane Khelif, who has a Disorder of Sexual Development, won Olympic gold for beating women, but is definitely male. Finally: brief discussions of Glenn Greenwald, and Richard Dawkins. No, Dawkins, religion is not a mental infection.
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Mentioned in this episode:
Moderna press release: https://investors.modernatx.com/news/news-details/2025/Moderna-Receives-U-S--FDA-Approval-for-COVID-19-Vaccine-mNEXSPIKE/default.aspx
Kennedy on FDA and Moderna shot: https://x.com/seckennedy/status/1930012848056365294
Mary Talley Bowden MD on the shots: https://x.com/mdbreathe/status/1927899248575545501
Heather on Imane Khelif: https://x.com/HeatherEHeying/status/1929920193771516423
Greenwald on the situation: https://x.com/ggreenwald/status/1928440222771015912
Dawkins on religion: https://x.com/richarddawkins/status/1930184916190257320

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Wisdom of the Ancients: Dr. Robert Clancy on DarkHorse May 30, 2025

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Bret Weinstein speaks with Emeritus Professor Robert Clancy AM on the subject of mucosal immunology.
Find Dr. Clancy at The University of New Castle Australia: https://www.newcastle.edu.au/profile/robert-clancy
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The Real Matrix: The 278th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying May 28, 2025

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We begin with the HHS announcement that Covid shots will no longer be recommended to healthy children and pregnant women. What does healthy mean? And what are the conditions that provide release from liability for vaccine makers? Then, a discussion of kinds of immunity, and how vaccines are best delivered depending on how disease is transmitted. We compare what was claimed about the shots (they stop transmission!), and what Pfizer later admitted (that they did not know if the shots stopped transmission—but they had to move at the “speed of science”!). Also, a discussion of how to kill your pathogens by crossing ecological borders…and how to get rid of a botfly with a steak, or with ivermectin. Then: why are young male capuchin monkeys abducting baby howler monkeys on an island off the coast of Panama? Finally: a discussion of transhumanism, our future, our embodied selves, how we live on, what we owe our children, what our beloved dead would make of now, and how we, and the LLMs, could know.
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Mentioned in this episode:
Kennedy, Bhattacharya and Makary on changing vax recommendations: https://x.com/SecKennedy/status/1927368440811008138
Dr. Lon Jones on mucosal immunity (on DHP): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w99CQVaOK0E
Rob Roos forcing truth from Pfizer: https://x.com/Rob_Roos/status/1579759795225198593
Heather on killing your pathogens: https://open.substack.com/pub/naturalselections/p/kill-your-pathogens
Forrest Maready on polio (on DHP): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7wYUnQUESU
Goldsborough et al 2025. Rise and spread of a social tradition of interspecies abduction. Current Biology 35(10): R375-R376: https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(25)00372-0
Bret on transhumanism: https://x.com/BretWeinstein/status/1927043640813138102

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The Mucus Mystery: Dr. Lon Jones, DO on DarkHorse May 27, 2025

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Bret speaks with Dr. Lon Jones, DO on the subject of the mismatch between modern humans and the environment they live in.
Find Dr. Lon Jones, DO at https://commonsensemedicine.org
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- Common Sense Medicine: Making America Healthy Again by Dr. Lon Jones, DO https://amzn.to/4kd4mka (commission earned)
- No More Allergies, Asthma or Sinus Infections: The Revolutionary Approach by Dr. Lon Jones, DO https://amzn.to/4dKaa2o (commission earned)
- George Williams Paper: Pleiotropy, Natural Selection, and the Evolution of Senescence https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1558-5646.1957.tb02911.x
- Patient education: Ear infections (otitis media) in children (Beyond the Basics) https://www.uptodate.com/contents/ear-infections-otitis-media-in-children-beyond-the-basics/print
- Indirect health effects of relative humidity in indoor environments https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1474709/
- Turku sugar studies V: Final report on the effect of sucrose, fructose and xylitol diets on the caries incidence in man https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/00016357608997711
- Paul W. Ewald: Evolution of Disease https://amzn.to/4dzIzRj (commission earned)
- Commonsense Medicine: Healing from the Inside Out and Stopping the Next Pandemic https://amzn.to/4kE9kX7 (commission earned)
- How Bacteria Stick https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-bacteria-stick

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Occam’s Sledgehammer: The 277th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying May 21, 2025

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It’s Prostate Week in Podcastistan: what happens when an MRI scan for prostatitis includes the injection of rare earth metals—should you, or shouldn’t you? Gadolinium crosses the blood-brain barrier if the barrier is not fully intact—does that affect your decision? Then: a letter from an MD-PhD student at Harvard prompts musings on the federal funding of science, what science is for, how complicit universities and many scientists have been for years, and what to do. Also: uterine transplants for “trans women.”
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Mentioned in this episode:
Gadolinium Contrast Dye: https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-drug-safety-communication-fda-warns-gadolinium-based-contrast-agents-gbcas-are-retained-body
Letter from Harvard: https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/letter-from-harvard/comments
Higher Education Research & Development Survey: https://ncses.nsf.gov/surveys/higher-education-research-development/2023#data
Jones et al 2018. Uterine transplantation in transgender women. Bjog 126(2): 152-156: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6492192/pdf/BJO-126-152.pdf

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