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23andYou: The 269th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying Mar 26, 2025

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In this week’s episode, we discuss 23andMe – what does its impending bankruptcy mean for data security, and why did people think their genetic data were secure before the company went into bankruptcy? As we protect existing rights laid out in the Constitution, we also need to innovate new protections in a world with new threats and possibilities. Going back to what was will not be sufficient. Then: Bobby Kennedy Jr. and anti-Semitism; and Columbia University’s response to the Trump administration as it tries to hang on to $400 million dollars in annual federal funding. Finally: it’s five years since our first Evolutionary Lens livestream—what did we say in that first episode? Were we right, or were we wrong?
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Mentioned in this episode:
23andMe initiates bankruptcy: https://investors.23andme.com/news-releases/news-release-details/23andme-initiates-voluntary-chapter-11-process-maximize
A midwestern Doctor considers 23andMe: https://x.com/midwesterndoc/status/1904446639537902014
RFK Jr tweet: https://x.com/seckennedy/status/1904259440544743427
Columbia University’s unsigned 4 page letter: https://president.columbia.edu/sites/default/files/content/03.21.2025%20Columbia%20-%20FINAL.pdf
DarkHorse Evolutionary Lens, episode 1, March 24, 2020: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym-WGOq96G0
Ralston College’s Sophia Lectures: https://www.ralston.ac/events/the-sophia-lectures-with-bret-weinstein-and-heather-heying

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Deportations, Doxxing, Measles Vaccine: 268th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying Mar 19, 2025

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In this week’s episode, we discuss the JFK assassination, deportations, DOGE, Tesla, anarchists, flu, measles, vaccines, and crunchy Moms. What do we make of the 80,000 pages of JFK files that were released yesterday? Are immigrants who are in the U.S. legally protected by the Constitution? What are they allowed to say, or think? Does anger at Elon Musk and DOGE explain the left going after Teslas? Or maybe it’s not the left at all, but anarchists. What’s up with flu this year, and should you get a flu shot? How about a measles vaccine? Did the measles vaccine contribute to the drop in measles deaths in the U.S.? And why are mothers who are concerned for the health and well-being of their children rejecting the advice of experts?
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Mentioned in this episode:
“From the river to the sea” is both hateful and protected: https://x.com/BretWeinstein/status/1901691755378118969
Netanyahu's funding for Hamas via Qatar enabled October 7 invasion, Shin Bet reveals: https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-844701
Why This Year’s Flu Season Is the Worst in More Than a Decade: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-this-years-flu-season-is-the-worst-in-more-than-a-decade/
Died of, or died with? https://www.nmhealth.org/news/alert/2025/3/?view=2188
Rate of measles deaths in the U.S. from 1919 to 2021: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1560955/measles-death-rate-in-the-us-since-1919/
Crunchy moms aren’t scared of measles: https://unherd.com/2025/03/crunchy-moms-arent-scared-of-measles/

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Prescription for Insanity: Laura Delano on DarkHorse Mar 18, 2025

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Bret Weinstein speaks with Laura Delano, the author of “Unshrunk: A Story of Psychiatric Treatment Resistance” on the subject of today’s mental health treatment and psychotropic medications.
Find Laura Delano on X at https://x.com/LauraDelano and her book, “Unshrunk: A Story of Psychiatric Treatment Resistance” at https://unshrunkthebook.com.
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Mentioned in this episode:
- The Challenge of Going Off Psychiatric Drugs https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/04/08/the-challenge-of-going-off-psychiatric-drugs
- A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century https://amzn.to/3AGANGg (commission earned)

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MAGA, MAHA, and the Unity Movement: The 267th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying Mar 12, 2025

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In this week’s episode, we discuss wheat and gluten; MAGA, Trump, Elon, and Massie; and elephants. First: the end to the first round of Bret’s European wheat experiment: what does it mean that he can eat European wheat, but not American wheat? Then: does Trump misunderstand the coalition that brought him to the presidency a second time? Will going after Thomas Massie be a strong move, or a bad move? Does Elon have too much power, and is he misusing it? How does masculinity manifest in this administration? Finally: elephants and their love of showers.
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Mentioned in this episode:
Bret stands with Thomas Massie: https://x.com/BretWeinstein/status/1899320001955541268
County Highway on this moment in time: https://countyhighway.com/archive/volume-2/issue-5/the-front-porch
The three tribes of MAGA men: https://unherd.com/2025/03/the-three-tribes-of-maga-men/
Urban et al 2025. Water-hose tool use and showering behavior by Asian elephants. Current Biology 34(23): 5602 - 5606.e1: https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(24)01371-X
Turtle pronouns from a mental health advisor in Oregon: https://x.com/DaniFlyingFree/status/1899464252764610889

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Pardoned for What? Robert George on DarkHorse Mar 09, 2025

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Bret Weinstein speaks with Professor Robert George on the subject of pardons, the shifting dynamics within the Democratic Party and the rise of Trump, AI, free speech, and reproductive rights.
Find Robert P. George on X at https://x.com/McCormickProf and on his website at http://robertpgeorge.com.
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- James Madison Program https://jmp.princeton.edu
- Embryo: A Defense of Human Life by Robert P. George https://amzn.to/3DyJcNi (commission earned)

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Hamgate: The 266th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying Mar 06, 2025

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In this week’s episode, we discuss travel, Spain, ham, and MAHA. How do we travel, how has it changed over time, and what is the point? From the Alhambra to street altercations, what can we learn from the places that we go, and how we interact with them? Then: one cannot bring iberico ham into the United States from Spain, the USDA says, “because there are special restrictions.” We suspect the ham lobby. Also: past interactions with border control, over vanilla, and dart-poison frogs. And: MAHA should rally around RFK Jr., rather than splintering over headlines and tweets. He needs our support now as much as ever.
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Mentioned in this episode:
Travel and its Discontents: Exploration in the Age of Self-Obsession: https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/travel-and-its-discontents
USDA’s Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service: https://www.aphis.usda.gov/traveling-with-ag-products/meats-poultry-seafood
RFK Jr on measles, on Fox: https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/robert-f-kennedy-jr-measles-outbreak-call-action-all-us
RFK Jr tweet: https://x.com/seckennedy/status/1896722453189034130

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If Only We’d Known: The 265th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying Feb 19, 2025

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In this week’s episode, we discuss antibiotics, Kennedy, mirrors and education—all from Seville, Spain. First up: fluoroquinolones are a class of antibiotics that includes cipro, and are now understood to cause a whole host of serious health problems, from tendon rupture to heart damage to death. Over-reliance on pharmaceutical solutions to human problems is making us sicker. Then: scientists are worried about Kennedy, because he “rejects established science,” like how effective the mRNA shots are against Covid. Also: what is going on with mirrors, and why are people so quick to decide that it’s obvious? Finally: education should include mirrors and magnets and big messy physical games that require coordination of both individual bodies and people.
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The Achilles Heel of antibiotics: https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/the-achilles-heel-of-antibiotics
Nature goes after Kennedy: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00439-y
Mirror tweet: https://x.com/IterIntellectus/status/1891878417580101926

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Can Science Be Efficient? The 264th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying Feb 15, 2025

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In this week’s episode, we discuss changes in global health from Barcelona, as indicated by how much public coughing is taking place now. This segues into a discussion of cancer, mRNA, trade-offs, and complex systems. Then: what DOGE needs to understand about science, which is not inherently efficient. What are indirect costs on federal grants, why are they necessary, and why do they vary? And: how does having indirect costs create perverse incentives by university administrators to privilege scientists over non-scientists, and Big Science over (regular) science. Specifically, science in the West is failing because fast, expensive empirical science is nearly always favored over slow, cheap, and/or theoretical science. Universities get richer, and Big Scientists get promoted, but grad students don’t learn how to be scientists, and we all lose out on having basic scientific questions answered, which will ultimately be our downfall. Also: the Ship of Theseus.
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Mentioned in this episode:
Evolutionary Lens #84, June 2021 (Hey YouTube: Divide by Zero): https://odysee.com/@BretWeinstein:f/EvoLens84:b
Research University Classifications for 2025: https://carnegieclassifications.acenet.edu/carnegie-classification/research-designations-faqs/
NSF’s Higher Education Research and Development (HERD) Survey: https://ncses.nsf.gov/surveys/higher-education-research-development/2023
Metamorphosis: https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/metamorphosis

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Trans Army Black Hawk Pilot, Jo Ellis on DarkHorse Feb 15, 2025

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Bret Weinstein speaks with Jo Ellis, the transgender pilot with the Virginia National Guard who was wrongfully targeted by social media users as the captain of the Black Hawk helicopter that tragically crashed.
Find Jo Ellis on X at https://x.com/JoEllisReally
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A Germ of Truth: The 263rd Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying Feb 03, 2025

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In this week’s episode, we discuss the relationship between infectious and chronic disease, and between germ theory and terrain theory of disease. Pathogens are real, and exogenous treatments like antibiotics can kill them. The health of the body is affected by diet, exercise, stress, and the microbiome, all of which can affect how susceptible a person is to getting sick from pathogens. We discuss gastric ulcers, Covid-19, pneumococcal disease, and comorbidities. Also: how do traditional vs modern diets affect the health, dental and otherwise, of people? Why do pre-industrial people not get cavities, or need orthodontia? Why do squirrels fed by humans develop similarly malformed skulls as babies fed modern diets? Finally: do we have a responsibility to point out the carnage that will result as the Trump administration goes after decades of entrenched interests?
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RFK Jr on chronic and infectious disease: https://x.com/ChildrensHD/status/1885018213701800387
RFK Jr on The Real Anthony Fauci: https://amzn.to/40INnxF (commission earned)
Marshall et al 1985. Attempt to fulfil Koch's postulates for pyloric Campylobacter. Med J Aust. 142:436–9:https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.5694/j.1326-5377.1985.tb113443.x
Evolutionary Lens Livestream #88 – w discussion of Covid x comorbidities: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSWu6DUFFt4&t=337s
Hanada et al 2021. Multiple comorbidities increase the risk of death from invasive pneumococcal disease under the age of 65 years. Journal of Infection and Chemotherapy, 27(9): 1311-1318: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1341321X21001252
Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, by Weston Price (1939): https://amzn.to/4jXciXl (commission earned)
Chandler et al 2025. Morphological change in an isolated population of red squirrels (Sciurus vulgaris) in Britain. Royal Society Open Science, 12(1): 240555.https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsos.240555

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