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    Daddy Squared: The Gay Dads Podcast

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    3×05 Couples Therapy Jan 27, 2020
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    Awkward silences, frequent "jokes" and cynicism for each other - and lack of sex can be signs for a couple to seek therapy. And when you have kids, the distance can be amplified since work/kids take all the focus off of the relationship. As avid couples therapy fans, we turned to Ken Howard, a therapist who specializes in gay men, to discuss some of the elements that are brought up in couples therapy, and how they present themselves in a gay male couple. "When you feel like you don't know what the solutions are, when you feel like you can't get passed your point of you versus your partner's point of view” – That’s what gay men’s therapist Ken Howard advises to look for as an indicator of whether a couple should consider therapy. “I think it's when you get to that 'now what?' feeling," he says, that can lead you to follow your commitment to the man you love and work on the relationship at a deeper level. Lack of sex can also be an indicator that something is off in the relationship. "Although people forget that that's awfully normal in both straight and gay relationships,” Howard says. “My mentor Michael Shernoff who is a gay men specialist therapist for 30 years in New York used to say that 'sometimes a period of hot sex cools into a lifetime of warm sex.’ And I do work with couples who do not necessarily have sex with each other." Howard also teaches his clients 'The Three C's' principles of Commitment, Communication and Compromise. It emerged following years of treating couples and noticing what do long-term happy couples tend to have in common. "Relationships work in four levels,” he explained on Daddy Squared podcast, “emotionally, physically including sexually, domestically-meaning managing a house together which a lot of couples underestimate, particularly manning finance, and a forth one I call 'managing the other,' which means coping with stress in a gay relationship that come from the outside in, a homophobic relative... you know, gay couples have stresses that they have to fend off that straight couples don't have." Our Guest: Ken Howard, LCSW Ken Howard is the founder of GayTherapyLA and has over 27 years experience as specialist in therapy for gay men and gay male couples. He helps gay men overcome challenges, setbacks, barriers, and losses in life, to heal and thrive again, overcome challenges such as depression, anxiety, trauma, job stress, career direction, dating/relationship skills, sexual dysfunction and addictions, as well as building a better relationship with your partner. Ken also teaches graduate courses in psychotherapy practice and LGBT issues at USC. In-person and phone/webcam sessions available. Co-Hosts: Yan Dekel, Alex MaghenGuest: Ken Howard, GayTherapyLA.comOpening Theme: Hercules & Love Affair, “Leonora” buy hereArticles Related to this episode:Gay Men’s Relationships: Reconciling the Living Room with the Bedroom (Ken Howard, GayTherapyLA)Keeping The Passion Alive (In Marriage) (Sarry Refael, Imperfect Thing Called Love)Listen to previous seasons of Daddy SquaredJoin our Facebook groupConnect with us on Instagram


    3×04 Gay Divorce Jan 20, 2020
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    Marriage Equality means Divorce Equality. Although it's not being talked about a lot, sometimes things just don't work out and you have to break up your marriage. We asked journalist and author Steven Petrow, who often writes LGBT educational editorials in the Washington Post and the New York Times, and a gay divorced man, to talk to us about what it means to have had this experience. There are roughly 646,500 same-sex married couples in the US, according to a 2019 report by the William's Institute. For LGBTQ couples, the odds of breaking up are about 0% to 1.8% annually, which is slightly less than their heterosexual peers, who have a 2% divorce rate. Journalist and author Steven Petrow have recently made his divorce a teachable moment in an opinion article he published on The Atlantic. It turned out that many of his and his ex-husband's friends—straight and gay—didn’t think divorce laws applied to same-sex couples. Fred Hertz, a California-based lawyer specializing in same-sex-family law, had told him that many of his clients are surprised that nowadays there's no separate set of rules for gay couples . A divorce is a divorce. So in retrospective, how does Steve see his divorce? "The best and the fairest way to describe it," he tells us, "as a friend described it to me, if you think of a couple that starts off, think of them as railroad tracks. You hope that they're parallel, and they're going to stay parallel and you'll stay in tandem forever. But if they're just off a little bit, like if the one on the right is bending a tad to the right and the one on the left is bending a tad to the left, well they're close at the beginning but 14 years later they have really diverged a huge amount and you're in different places. And that's how I understand what happened to us." At a time when gay marriage is such a big deal to the community must a gay couple stay married as a symbol of our success? What does it mean that a gay man gets divorced after we worked so hard to get married in the first place? "As a professional who was giving advise to LGBTQ people about their relationships, who wrote a book about gay weddings I did feel a certain sense of responsibility about doing it in an appropriate way and of course I felt huge sadness,” says Steve Petrow in our interview with him. "I did have that conversation in my head as well, and of course when something doesn't work out there's a personal disappointment. As I said to friends, I never imagined in this lifetime that I would be married as a gay man nor did I ever imagine that I would be divorced." Gay Divorce is Part of Marriage Equality Steve wasn’t alone in these feelings and this experience. "Early on people were quietly getting married and many of those - I call them the early marrieds - they ran aground fairly quickly. I think we're now seeing stabilized numbers where in the end the percentage of same-sex couples who divorce will be about the same as opposite sex over time which is to say about 50 percent." So is there anything qualitatively different between gay marriage and straight marriage that may speak to the potential success of such a commitment? This is a good question. We talk in this episode about the opportunity that comes with the novelty of same-sex marriage to establish new patterns in relationships. Will such patterns improve the quality and longevity of marriages? We don’t know. But we’d love to hear your thoughts too. Our Guest: Steven Petrow Steven Petrow is an award-winning journalist and book author who is best known for his Washington Post and New York Times essays on aging, health, and civility. He’s also an opinion columnist for USA Today, where he writes about civil discourse and manners. "Steven has long been an eloquent voice for civility in public discourse, and such a voice is needed now more than ever," editorial page editor Bill Sternberg said in a release. Steven's 2019 TED Talk, “3 Ways to Practice Civility” has been viewed more than 1.6 million times and translated into 13 languages. The most recent of his five books is Steven Petrow’s Complete Gay & Lesbian Manners. His next book, Stupid Things I Won’t Do When I’m Old, will be published in 2021. You’re likely to hear Steven when you turn on NPR’s “All Things Considered Weekend,” or one of your favorite — or least favorite — TV networks. Steven also served as the host and executive producer of "The Civilist," a podcast from Public Radio International and North Carolina Public Radio WUNC. Follow Steven on Twitter at @StevenPetrow and “Like” him on Facebook. Co-Hosts: Yan Dekel, Alex MaghenGuest: Steven PetrowOpening Theme: Hercules & Love Affair, “Leonora” buy hereArticles Related to this episode:Celebrating My (Gay) Divorce (Steven Petrow, The Atlantic)The Good Father: Lessons in Co-Parenting (Rita Bratovich, Star Observer)Hounds of love: The rise of pet custody battles in divorce settlements (Sophie Gallagher, The Independent)Proposed bill aims to settle pet custody after marriages dissolve (Lynzi Deluccia, NBC News)Listen to previous seasons of Daddy SquaredJoin our Facebook groupConnect with us on Instagram


    3×03 Fear and Grief Jan 13, 2020
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    After Losing our beloved dog Koobeh earlier this year, we faced the challenge of explaining death and grief to our kids. When we started working on this season of the show we wanted to create an episode that will help parents who had to experience loss in front of their young children. We found Jesse Brune-Horan, a minister and a grief consultant who faced the worst of all - the loss of a child. In this episode we explore fear and grief, how to move through them and how to deal with our kids' facing them. Jesse Brune-Horan doesn't recommend pushing yourself through your grief. "We're inundated with self help things and material like that that people feel like they have to power through your enlightenment or your healing or whatever it is," Brune-Horan explains, "and sometimes it's not helpful." "I really encourage people to always take the most peaceful path in the moment, whatever that is for you. Sometimes it looks like not dealing with it, putting on your sweats and watching Netflix for the weekend and that's ok," he adds. Deal with your grief when you're ready to deal with it When going through grief and loss, some people experience relief when they are 'giving themselves permission' to be sad. To just stay in the sadness and cry for as long as they need. "When I work with people who are moving through grief there's like big, big piece of permission I give them, like, do your best in the moment, today, what's the most peaceful thing you can do today," Jesse explains. "And when we focus on peace, then whatever it is that's preventing us from feeling that peace will naturally arise. And if we're patient enough then we can sort of look at what's coming up in that moment and we get to choose, like am I ready to tackle that horse yet or am I letting it ride by for now. The good news is, and you have been through enough life to know that, if there's an issue that needs to be dealt with, then it eventually will be dealt with or [it will show up over and over again in your life] and you'll be miserable." "Be a Man" Jesse believes that we as dads should show our kids how we deal with our emotions - especially the 'bad' ones. "A lot of what we were told, what a man is supposed to be and how 'a man' supposed to act - toughening up, not showing emotion, not being sad and all that stuff," he says. "And now we know that it's all bullshit and unhealthy and doesn't really serve anybody. So to allow yourself to express emotion in front of your kid I think it's a brilliant beautiful thing and you should, and you should let them know that it's ok to be sad, it's ok to have these experiences, it's ok to grieve, show them how to grieve." "I think that's the key: the key is we teach through our demonstration. We show them what it is to be sad, what it is to be happy. We show them what healthy boundary is, we show them what love is, we show them what family is." Our Guest: Jesse Brune-Horan Founder and Spiritual Director, Active Love Ministries.Jesse is a celebrated spiritual teacher, writer, activist, and lifestyle expert with over 15 years in the field. He's the co-founder of Inspire Spiritual Community, a Los Angeles based Independent New Thought organization serving the LGBTQ+ community & allies. He served as Spiritual Director from 2013-2019. Since 2010, he's offered hundreds of teachings on spirituality, facilitated retreats, workshops, and group counseling. Jesse leads classes based on the teachings of Science Of Mind, A Course In Miracles, The Way Of Mastery and A Course Of Love. He offers meditation training, meets privately with clients as a spiritual coach, facilitates yearly healing retreats, and offers live teachings. He's a guest-teacher/presenter at various universities in Southern California.​ As a lifestyle expert, Jesse has co-starred on series for Bravo, The Food Network, and OWN. He was part of the Day Time Emmy winning series, "Home Made Simple". He co-hosted the popular podcast, "Alternative Styles" for Westwood One Media. ​His expertise has been featured in multiple media outlets such as Huffington Post, MensHealth.com, US Weekly, OK Magazine, OUT magazine, The Advocate, and Life & Style to name a few. Jesse lives in Los Angeles with his husband Christopher and their two children. Episode Guest Host: Greg of @greginla Blog Greg, a single gay man, grew up in the northwest suburbs of Boston in a middle-class family with its share of enjoyment and challenges. He grew up with an interest in biology and a passion for health and fitness. Greg started weightlifting in college and graduated with a degree in biochemistry, and started his career as a tech and scientist in the biotechnology/ pharmaceutical industry in the Boston area while documenting his fitness and modeling journey on instagram. In 2015, he moved to Los Angeles, CA to pursue a more enjoyable lifestyle as a young gay fit man. His career slowly became more engineering focused and regulation-driven. More recently, his Instagram became better focused on showing others how to live a healthier lifestyle. In 2018, he launched his own lifestyle blog to supplement his Instagram to help others with their fitness journeys and mental awareness to pursue the lifestyle they have dreamt for themselves. Co-Hosts: Yan Dekel, Alex Maghen, GregGuest: Jesse Brune-Horan, Active Love MinistriesOpening Theme: Hercules & Love Affair, “Leonora” buy hereArticles Related to this episode:Book: The Color Monster : A Story About EmotionsEmbracing the 'Imperfecter' ParentListen to previous seasons of Daddy SquaredJoin our Facebook groupConnect with us on Instagram


    3×02 Single Dads Finding Love Jan 06, 2020
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    Daddy Squared is playing matchmaker: When you are a single dad, it seem almost impossible to find time for dating. In this episode we tried to explore the (potential) love life of single gay dads, with Daniel Vandenbark, a divorcee and a single dad of a 7-year-old, who spoke candidly with us in the studio, and with Tammy Shaklee of H4M, a professional LGBT matchmaker. Having to juggle house management, kids and work, some single dads often testify, "I'm comfortable being alone." But sometimes, this 'comfortable' situation is just a result of not wanting the constant filtering through extra noise of trying to find love. We brought Daniel Vandenbark, a single dad and a (gay) divorcee, to the studio and he spoke candidly about trying to date as a single dad. "I sit here and I start pondering, ok is it because I'm 43 now and you reach that certain age when you less willing to deal with this sh*t. I don't want the antics I don't want the silliness, I want someone who has responsibility, professionalism, etc," Daniel said. "I get annoyed with the apps," he added, "because it's the same antics that probably many people here know about so I don't really love the apps. But yet, I hold out hope because [every now and then] you talk to somebody and they're like 'oh, we met on Grindr' so there might be hope." More in this episode: We are dads, not 'daddies,' plus Alex and Greg give tips on how to hit on men in bars, we discuss setting your financial goals for 2020 and of course -- don't be scared of matchmaking! Now is the time to date a gay dad! Guest Host: Greg of @greginla Blog Greg, a single gay man, grew up in the northwest suburbs of Boston in a middle-class family with its share of enjoyment and challenges. He grew up with an interest in biology and a passion for health and fitness. He started weightlifting in college and graduated with a degree in biochemistry. He started his career as a tech and scientist in the biotechnology/ pharmaceutical industry in the Boston area while documenting his fitness and modeling journey on instagram. In 2015, he moved to Los Angeles, CA to pursue a more enjoyable lifestyle as a young gay fit man while his career slowly became more engineering focused and regulation-driven. More recently, his Instagram became better focused on showing others how to live a healthier lifestyle. In 2018, he launched his own lifestyle blog to supplement his Instagram to help others with their fitness journeys and mental awareness to pursue the lifestyle they have dreamt for themselves. Our Guest: Daniel Vandenbark Dezineinc.comInstagram: @dznrdad / @dezineinc Daniel Vandenbark is the founder and principal of DEZINE INC, and works for over 20 years in interior design and branding in Los Angeles. When he isn’t creating beautiful homes for his clients, you’ll likely find Daniel making adventures with his seven year old son. And when you can’t find the two of them in the city - well, they’re probably up in the mountains, regardless of the time of year.“I really love exploring the world through my son’s eyes. It’s fresh, it’s simple, and often entertaining. I look forward to sharing that with someone special again.” On the Phone: Tammy Shaklee, LGBTQ Relationship Expert and Founder of H4M Matchmaking Since founding the national offline matchmaking company in Austin, Texas in 2012, Tammy and her team have successfully paired thousands of LGBTQ clients across the country that were seeking long-term committed relationships. Shaklee's unique process focuses on traditional introductions and dating for LGBTQ singles who are interested achieving relationship success that rivals their professional success. An LGBTQ ally and advocate, Tammy understands the challenges singles face when looking for a suitable mate, as she met her husband through a matchmaking service herself. Tammy and her husband, Clif reside in Austin, Texas where she runs her national company. When not actively pairing her clients, Tammy is a regular relationship contributor to several LGBTQ media outlets and mainstream publications. She is currently working on the completion of her first book. Tammy's Dating Advice Here's some of the professional advice provided by Tammy in regards to dating during the interview with her: First date should be light: no more than two hours, no more than two drinks No cell phones on the table Don't show a picture of your child(ren) on the first date Talk briefly about having kids Get a reliable babysitter and step away respectfully from the table to check with the babysitter in the middle of the date No sex of any kind on the first or second date The anthropologists say it takes four dates when you meet someone new to see if they can be in your future Co-Hosts: Yan Dekel, Alex Maghen, Greg Guests: Daniel Vandenbark, Tammy ShakleeOpening Theme: Hercules & Love Affair, “Leonora” buy hereArticles Related to this episode:Dating a Single Gay Dad Is a 'Package Deal' (Kyle Ashworth, Gays With Kids)Top 10 Reasons You Should Date a Gay Dad (Jay Turner, Gays With Kids)Listen to previous seasons of Daddy SquaredJoin our Facebook groupConnect with us on Instagram


    3×01 Raising A Positive Child Dec 27, 2019
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    All we really hope for as parents is that our children will grow up to be not only healthy, but also positive, optimistic people. How wonderful life can be for them if they see and imagine the bright side. We began our third season with some positive inspiration from life coach Scott Cruz, and talked to him about positivity and how to instill it in our kids. We all want to raise a positive-thinking child, right?! According to Scott Cruz, a leading LA life coach, being ‘positive’ is subjective, and it’s only a matter of preference, how would you like to perceive your life? "When people focus too much on positivity they become very judgmental,” Cruz told us in the podcast, “so I would say if we focus on our own personal preferences we just end up being naturally positive." "Negative thoughts will always be there, it's all about teaching [your kids AND yourself] how to use them. For example, self worth or self confidence, let's say if a child is not confident in what they're doing, and they really love, for example, creating art. They're not confident because they're comparing themselves to others. That's a negative thought, but you can use the comparison to build their artistic style or to be more inspired. So they can take the negative feeling about themselves to push them further... so the negative challenges can turn more into self-defining experiences. If people are trying to run away from it or numb it that prevents growth. " Teaching Your Kids Optimism While we argue that raising a positive child has a lot to do with an optimistic way of thinking, Scott thinks that optimism and pessimism can be instilled in a child by their parents, to a certain degree. So those who wonder if the fact that they come from a non-optimistic household will automatically make their kids pessimistic will be relieved to know that being pessimistic is not biological, it's belief structure. By working on yourself and facing your own challenges you can “correct” negativity that was passed from generation to generation in your family. "If your kids are having their own point of view and their inner being is very optimistic,” Scott says, “they’re just going to resist you. I mean, the older they get, the more that they will try to go to [Alex] and less connect with you - because they don't like your pessimistic energy." "If you work on that within yourself you let your children understand that being defeated is not even an option and experiencing failure is just a growth experience, not an end result. You want to tell your children, ‘It's not about what I do wrong or what I do well, it's about, are you allowing yourself to grow from the experiences?’" According to Scott, instilling of positivity and negativity towards life happens at a very early age, "Between ages 1 and 7 the human brain is in fetus state, which means the child is purely observing,” he says. “So maybe [for a 6-month old baby] words don't mean anything but the words are reflections of your energy and your intentions. For example, there's a three-month-old in the crib, and you guys are constantly in distain of each other, the baby feels that energy, of disconnection. But if you're aware of figuring out through your nonsense, even if you're showing distinct toward each other but then you resolve it and they see you resolve -- they're going to pick up on resolution. It's not the argue that was the issue, is about the fact that you resolved that and then back to the same page, team work." Co-Host: Braden Sanford Braden is a blogger and a stay-at-home Dad raising 4 kids under 3… including triplets and identical girls (aka a valiant attempt to retain my sanity…). Braden blogs at doingitdaddystyle.com Our Guest: Scott Cruz Scott is a gifted metaphysical teacher: with 10 years experience as a Life Coach & Clairvoyant Medium. With his gift of insight, he helps those seeking answers related to relationships, career, health, limiting beliefs, and self help. He is a teacher of the powers of consciousness and helps others to tap into their own psychological and metaphysical perspectives to master alignment between the two . Scott is also able to foresee one’s life trajectory as it has been manifested in the past, see what is manifesting in the now, and forecast what the projections of the future has been created by the individual. Scott states that no future trajectory is set in stone and we have the power of free-will to create the reality we prefer. He helps his clients understand what is blocking their preferred reality and assists with subconscious reprogramming to achieve their desired manifestation results. With this insight, Scott is also able to receive information from those that have reemerged back into their non physical states, providing clarity to those still focused in physical reality. In addition, Scott's true passion is to teach others how to tap into their own spiritual awarenesses so they can experience their walk of life in rhythm with the flow of the universe and the infinite of existence. Our Sponsor ORM Fertility is proud to support our gay male patients' journey to parenthood. Gay men wishing to build their biological family will need the help of an egg donor, gestational surrogate, and in vitro fertilization (IVF). Our ingrowing website offers information and resources to make it easy for you when you start your research on becoming dads. For over 30 years, ORM Fertility has been at the forefront of fertility treatment, providing personalized patient care, cutting-edge technology, and some of the highest success rates in the industry. We are honored to be a trusted resource for the LGBTQ+ community. Inclusivity is not just a buzz word to us. We pride ourselves in being a truly welcoming clinic and helping all families grow. Our expert team walks parents-to-be through every step of their fertility journey. Our treatments include intrauterine insemination (IUI), in vitro fertilization (IVF), donor sperm, donor egg, gestational surrogacy, genetic testing, and fertility preservation. Co-Hosts: Yan Dekel, Alex Maghen, Braden SanfordGuest: Scott Cruz, Life CoachOpening Theme: Hercules & Love Affair, “Leonora” buy hereRelated Articles: Positive Child: How to Raise a Happy, Cooperative Child (Psychology Today) Listen to previous seasons of Daddy SquaredJoin our Facebook groupConnect with us on Instagram Are you raising a positive child? Send us your stories, we would love to hear from you.


    2×14 Daddy Squared Movie Awards! Jul 29, 2019
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    It was just a matter of time, wasn’t it?! Everyone else has done it so now, introducing, the Daddy Squared Movie Awards. Our season finale this season, will hand a magnificent ‘Gayby’ Statuette in multiple categories of movies for kids of gay dads. No more just 'mommy recommended' stuff! The gay dads community has voted on the best movies for kids and now we give the ‘Gay Dads Recommend' stamp on children's movies. Guest gay dads studio executives judges help us decide who takes home the ‘Gaybys’ in multiple categories. View the categories and nominees. Listen above to find out who won or scroll down to download Daddy Squared Season 2 Cheat Sheet for the full list of winners. Why Are We Doing This? As the number of LGBT families in general and two-dad families in particular grow on a daily basis, we would like our type of families and values to be more visible and represented in kids’ movies. We hope to influence movie studios and executives to consider our community’s opinion and become a significant ‘customer buying power.’ Our Guests Andrew Hotz is the executive vice president of worldwide digital marketing for Warner Bros. Pictures. Hotz previously served as head of industry at Google, managing the relationship between Google/YouTube and NBC Universal, and consulting with the studio and networks on digital marketing efforts. He also worked on Google’s TV ads business and managed its relationship with Procter & Gamble. Hotz began his career in production at DreamWorks Animation. Daniel Leary is the Digital Co-Executive Producer, “The Ellen DeGeneres Show.” Daniel joined the writing and producing team of “The Ellen DeGeneres Show” in 2010 and was promoted to Digital Co-Executive Producer in September 2016. Leary has overseen the creative vision for apps and games, as well as the social platforms and digital strategy for “The Ellen DeGeneres Show,” currently in its 16th season. Leary has earned six Daytime Emmy® Awards for his work on “The Ellen DeGeneres Show.” Leary started his career in stand-up working with The Improv in Hollywood. He then began producing at LOGO creating original series for the network. Daniel currently resides in Los Angeles, CA with his husband, Ben, and his two children. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1WXN1wBu6I Get The Daddy Squared Season 2 Cheat Sheet! Join our mailing list by filling in your name and email and we’ll send you a link to download! #mc_embed_signup{background:#fff; clear:left; font:14px Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; } * indicates required Email Address * First Name (function($) {window.fnames = new Array(); window.ftypes = new Array();fnames[0]='EMAIL';ftypes[0]='email';fnames[1]='FNAME';ftypes[1]='text';}(jQuery));var $mcj = jQuery.noConflict(true); Co-Hosts: Yan Dekel, Alex MaghenGuests: Andrew Hotz, Dabiel LearyOpening Theme: Hercules & Love Affair, “Leonora” buy hereArticles Related to this episode:"Ooga Boo" Music Video feat. Cher from Netflix's Home AdventuresJoin our Facebook group!


    2×13 The Schools Episode Jul 22, 2019
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    Finding the right school for your kids is difficult for anyone, but gay dads sometimes have to face an additional challenge making sure that the school that their kids go to is open to diversity and inclusivity of LGBTQ parents. How to start looking for the right school for your kids? And how to help your kids’ school be more inclusive? We talked to Steve Disselhorst, an adoptive gay dad and co-chair of Our Family Coalition, an organization that works for equality of families in education (among other things). Our role as a parent is to create a safe environment for our kid at school. Sometimes it requires spending extra time in talking to the teachers, the principle, and whoever provides this environment, to make sure that your class and school are inclusive supportive of same-sex families, and specifically for two-dad families. Especially when it comes to activities at school around days like Mother's Day. "In our house, the month of May is the most difficult month of the year," shares Steve Disselhorst, a coach and consultant, and co-chair of Our Family Coalition. "Mother's Day is real. We live in a culture that really adores mothers. If you look at a lot of kids books there's always a mother figure. So for us, we had challenges with Mother's day. "We had a negative situation that happened, not in kindergarten, but in preschool. They were very open to LGBTQ families, the director was adopted so she totally understood our kids for being adopted, but then came Mother's Day and I went to pick up my daughter the Friday before Mother's Day, and I looked up on the wall and it said, 'what's your mom's favorite to cook,' 'what's your mom's favorite color,' 'what your mom's favorite…' and I was horrified. I was literally in tears and went up to the teacher and said How could you put my child in this position, she can't answer these questions. "So that was a big learning lesson for me. So now when the school year starts and I get a new teacher, during the first parent-teacher conference, [I say to her] we've got 8 months to work on this: what are your plans for Mother's Day and how are you going to include our family, and what do you plan to do and can you share that with me in advance of Mother's Day - and that had worked really well." Regardless of how much we try to protect our kids, bad kids can happen, even in the most accepting schools. In our discussion with Steve, he shared an incident that happened where his daughter was picked on for having two dads and no mom. "The most important thing that I do, I do a lot of it, I talk to my daughter about how it feels for her," Steve says. "'how does it feel when they say that to you,' 'how do you feel that you have two dads,' 'how do you feel that you don't live with your mom.' Those are the things we talk about because I need to help her understand and build the tools because I'm not going to always be there to protect her. She's going to grow, and she's going to change, and maybe at some point she's going to be embarrassed of her dad-gay or straight-being around. "My role as a parent is how do I teach her to understand what she's feeling, how these things are impacting her and then how does she resolve them: either talking to me or talking to her friend or her teacher." "I don't believe in trying to take away discomfort," Steve says, "I believe in trying to be present and witness discomfort--and move through it." Our guest: Steve Disselhorst Steve Disselhorst is a proud husband, father, consultant and coach. He is thefounder of his own firm, which focuses on personal & professional leadership development and diversity, equity & inclusion consulting. Previously, Steve worked as a Diversity & Inclusion Business Consultant for Genentech, a member of the Roche Group. During his tenure, he focused on a leadership development program to advance historically under represented groups to become future senior leaders. Steve is the Co-Chair of the Board of Directors of Our Family Coalition whose mission is to advance equality for lesbian, bisexual, transgender, and queer (LGBTQ) families with children through support, education, and advocacy.Steve and his husband have two children through adoption – one through private, open adoption and the second through foster-adoption. Steve is an advocate for social justice, LGBTQ rights, transracial adoption, and foster care. Co-Hosts: Yan Dekel, Alex MaghenGuest: Steve Disselhorst, Our Family CoalitionOpening Theme: Hercules & Love Affair, “Leonora” buy hereArticles and Resources Related to this episode:Kid Power: An organization that teaches kids personal safetyOur Family Coalition inclusive schools resourcesHRC's work around inclusive schoolsSafe Schools Template LetterJoin our Facebook group!


    2×12 Daddy, Which Belly Did I Come From? Jul 15, 2019
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    When you tell your kids the story of how they came to be, is the woman who delivered them identified by a face and a name? That’s a decision that every gay dad has to make when it comes to having kids through surrogacy or adoption. In this episode we explored two ways of keeping in touch with the birthmother (for adoptive kids) or the gestational surrogate (for IVF and surrogacy) as part of gay dads’ children's birth story. Some adoptive parents choose to have an 'open adoption,’ where the child gets to meet the birthmother. Parents who go through surrogacy sometimes keep in touch with the surrogate and have their kids meet her when they are old enough. Relationship with the Surrogate There are some dads whose surrogacy journey ties them emotionally to their surrogate—as a result a lifetime friendship is developed; for others, the relationship with the surrogate dissolves due to distance and… life. Heather Manoijlovic, a two-time surrogate for gay dads and a surrogate coordinator at Circle Surrogacy, spoke from her experience and from the experience of working with other surrogates about the type of relationships and expectations between surrogates and intended parents. ‘Are You My Birthmother?’ Erik Alexander from New Orleans (AKA ‘NOLA Papa’) blogs about his and his husband’s choice to pursue open adoption with their eldest daughter. Despite fears of reunifications (child being returned by a court to the birth parents), the couple were open to the possibility of having their child’s birthmother in some sort of touch with them. When they were matched, it was pretty clear that a large part of the birthmother’s choice was for her child to be adopted by a gay couple. This was not only because her brother is gay, but also, as Ethan Cohan mentioned in the previous episode of our podcast, some women seek to maintain their ‘mother’ status by making sure no other parent will be called ‘mom’ by the adoptive child. Erik and his husband’s adoption process was supposed to take 5 years but was actually completed in 3.5 weeks! In our interview he talked about his fear, his ability to be honest with his daughter and also about what happened when their daughter figured out who her birthmother was. Our Guests Erik Alexander is from New Orleans, Louisiana, and is married to the love of his life, Douglas. Together 11 years, they adopted their 2 beautiful daughters, Alli Mae in December of 2015 (open adoption) and Ella in May of 2017 and their lives have been in hyperdrive ever since. Whether it is baby proofing, parenting hacks or navigating through this crazy world, Erik is excited to share his journey. You can also find his blog at Nolapapa.com"My hope is that through my blog I am able to bury my insecurities, my fears, and my failures- for all to read, in hopes to see my weaknesses sprout and transform into self improvement, resilience, and embrace an unapologetic renewal. My past helped make me who I am today- but who I am tomorrow depends on how I choose to get there, today." Heather Manojlovic is a two time experienced gestational carrier living with her tight knit family of four in Northeast Indiana. Heather has a passion for helping others and loves walking amazing women through the surrogacy process within her role at Circle Surrogacy as a Surrogate Coordinator. Heather's unique perspectives on surrogacy have been featured on Gays with Kids. When Heather isn't advocating for surrogacy she can usually be found enjoying a good Netflix binge and snuggling her Great Dane. Co-Hosts: Yan Dekel, Alex MaghenGuests: Heather Manojlovic, Erik AlexanderOpening Theme: Hercules & Love Affair, “Leonora” buy hereArticles Related to this episode:Modern Family - Jay learns Spanish is in Season 6 episode 7The Loving Process Behind Our Open Adoption Plan (Gays With Kids)Join our Facebook group!


    2×11: Adoption: Myths & Misconceptions Jul 08, 2019
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    For gay men looking to become dads, the world of adoption sometimes may seem impossible to navigate. There's so much information, so many opinions, stories, and ways to adopt that it may seem overwhelming. In this episode we've tried to lay the groundwork for adoption. A former social service worker, an LGBT specialist in an adoption organization and a gay dad with three different adoption stories had a vibrant discussion with us on the various paths to adoption, on myths, on homophobia – and much more. Download the full, unedited discussion of this episode (53:08) In preparation for this episode, we've searched the internet for common myths among gay men on adoption. Here's what we've found, and what our guests in this episode said about it: Biological parents perceive a gay-dad household as an ‘immoral environment.’ - NOT TRUE (IN GENERAL). According to Ethan Cohan, two-time adoptive dad, some bio moms specifically look for gay dads, just because they feel better knowing there will be no other 'mom' but them.Gay men, and especially gay single men, are being pushed down the list of adoption, and wait more time to be matched. - PARTIALLY TRUE. According to Nitara Frost, Parent Support Specialist for LGBTQ Parents at the North American Council on Atoptable Children, there's some evidence that single parent households are being pushed down the list, especially with foster-to-adopt route. Judges prefer reuniting kids with their biological parents over approving gay men as adoptive parents. - TRUE. There's an overall attempt of reunifications with the birth parents as part of the adoption process, mainly to give the bio parents the opportunity to not give up the child, instead of trying to get the child at a later stage.Some adoption agencies are not gay friendly, even if they don't specify it on their websites. - TRUE. Our guests in this episode recommend to check your adoption agency against lists like HRC or ask other gay dads who worked with this agency to make sure they are as gay friendly as they say they are. Some agencies will not indicate that they are not homophobic, but will discriminate against gay dads. Our Guests Nitara Frost, Parent Support Specialist for LGBTQ Parents at the North American Council on Atoptive Children (NACAC)Nitara Frost has worked for North American Council on Adoptable Children as the Parent Support Specialist serving LGBTQ adoptive parents in the state of Minnesota for almost 9 years. She had also been working Nationwide supporting LGBTQ adoptive and pre-adoptive parents for 7 years. She and her wife are adoptive parents to 5 children. Check out NACAC Staff Page Eufe de la Torre, Therapist and former social worker in Child WelfareEufe (www.eufetherapy.com) is a licensed Marriage and Family therapist in private practice. Eufe has over 25 years of clinical experience working with LGBTQ individuals and couples who are working through relationship or personal issues, including those who are preparing to become parents. Eufe lives in Los Angeles, CA. He and his husband are adoptive parents to two boys who are now 15 and 18 years olds. He can be reached at this email. Ethan Cohan, Adoptive FatherEthan is a partner at the Century City entertainment law firm Del Shaw Moonves where his practice focuses on entertainment transactional law with an emphasis on deal-making and production in television, film and new media. Born and raised in New York, Ethan currently lives in Los Angeles with his family, including their two sons and one dog. If you'd like to speak with Ethan personally please email us Preparing for Adoption Here's a list of recommendations for general preparations to make if you are gay men looking to adopt: Build your support system -- before embarking on the journey it's important to make sure you have family and/or friends by your side, and also people who have been through adoption. Reach out to gay dads group on Facebook or even write to us to get our list of dads who are willing to advise or support!Decide on the path of adoption you'd like to take: whether it's with a private attorney, foster-to-adopt, or adoption agency - and then research where in your state can you get the adoption training that eventually puts you on the waiting list for a match. Eufe: "Doing the leg work is really important, whether it's through HRC or friends who have been through the process. Identify two or three agencies and take the time to go on their websites, make a phone call and see how they relate to you on the phone. Go to their training and get the sense of who's there, see what culture they have at the agency."If you're doing a private adoption, research the state where you find the birth mother to understand how that state treats adoption, and whether you're going to finalize it in your home state or that state. It's also advisable to speak to a pediatrician about a birth mother's health, if there is smoking or any substance abuse. Co-Hosts: Yan Dekel, Alex MaghenGuests: Nitara Frost, Eufe de la Torre, Ethan CohanOpening Theme: Hercules & Love Affair, “Leonora” buy hereArticles Related to this episode:Join our Facebook group!


    2×10 Interfaith Families Jul 01, 2019
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    How do you raise kids with dads from separate faith backgrounds? Interfaith relationships are not uncommon in the gay community, and with the ‘gaybies’ explosion, some couples choose to raise their kids with awareness of both partners’ religious backgrounds. We spoke to Ferd and Brian, fathers, husbands, and founders of GaysWithKids.com about religion and faith, and building a home where both Christmas and Hannukah are celebrated, though with a clear understanding that Brian’s passion to raise the kids Jewish strongly outweighs Ferd’s interest in Catholicism in their home. “We surely came by dads who have different faiths and traditions and they celebrate them both,” explains Brian Rosenberg, who co-founded GaysWithKids.com, the world's biggest online resource and magazine for gay, bi and trans dads, with husband Ferd van Gameren, “the idea is that the children have a good understanding of the background of both religions and they will get to make their on decisions and choices when the are adults.” Having been together for almost three decades, Ferd and Brian started blending their holidays a long time ago. “We used to be more relaxed about how we spent them,” Brian says. But since becoming dads, they are much more focused on celebrating holidays that hold special meaning for them. “We've been creating new traditions around these holidays that I hope will stay with our kids well into their adult lives.” Our conversation with Brian and Ferd sparked some thoughts about what kind of people, in general, find a partner with a different religious background. “When you are a single person looking for a partner and the religion is really, really important for you, I would imagine that you then primarily look for a partner in the pool of people who have the same religion as you,” says Ferd. We came out of the interview with a realization that men who marry men from other religious backgrounds are open to establish an interfaith household to begin with, just out of love and respect for their partner’s heritage. Nevertheless, Brian emphasizes that religion and traditions should be something that an interfaith couple should discussed as part of the overall conversation and research prior to having kids. “You need to talk about it upfront before you become dads [so you’ll have a vision on the environment in which you raise your kids]. I think that so often in relationships, when they fall apart or where there are big challenges it’s because of a lack of communication, and a subject like culture and traditions should definitely be discussed.” Co-Hosts: Yan Dekel, Alex MaghenGuests: Brian Rosenberg, Ferd van Gameren GaysWithKids.comOpening Theme: Hercules & Love Affair, “Leonora” buy hereArticles Related to this episode:Interfaith Gay Dads Find Joy in Chrismukkah8 Pieces of Advice for Interfaith Families, from Interfaith FamiliesYan's Favorite Thing: Osem Wafers ChocolateJoin our Facebook group!


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