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    Carry the Two

    Carry the Two pulls back the curtain to reveal the mathematical and statistical gears that turn the world. We’re the show for people who enjoy discovering hidden elements that impact our lives in the most unexpected ways, and math is certainly one of those!

    We are a curiosity-driven podcast that looks to find unique perspectives from the fields of mathematics and statistics.

    We use stories to convey how mathematical research drives the world around us, with each episode tackling a different topic. This can be anything from modeling how bees in a swarm make group decisions to how we can use textual analysis to reveal surprising changes in policy documents.

    You can also find Carry the Two on Apple Podcasts, Stitcher, Google Play, and Spotify.

    Carry the Two is hosted by Sadie Witkowski and Ian Martin. Audio production by Tyler Damme. Music is from Blue Dot Sessions.

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    Kathryn Leonard and Axel Carlier on Crowdsourcing for Math Research Apr 25, 2023
    Show notes

    We’re still celebrating Mathematical and Statistical Awareness Month here at Carry the Two. This time, we’re taking a look at how anyone can get involved with research and help move mathematics (or statistics) forward. We explore the differences between citizen science, community science, and crowd sourcing and how one group of researchers used an international scavenger hunt to collect data.

    Find our transcript here: LINK

    Curious to learn more? Check out these additional links:

    Peer-reviewed article of today’s paper: The 2D shape structure dataset: A user annotated open access database - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0097849316300528

    Follow-up research:

    T. Blanc-Beyne, G. Morin, K. Leonard, A. Carlier, S. Hahmann, A Salience Measure for 3D Shape Decomposition and Sub-parts Classification, Graphical Models 99:22-30, September 2018.

    K. Leonard, G. Morin, S. Hahmann, A. Carlier, A 2D shape structure for decomposition and part similarity, International Conference on Pattern Recognition, p. 3216-3221, Dec 2016.

    Other examples of community/citizen science/crowdsourcing: https://esajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ecs2.4300

    NASA's Harp Project: https://listen.spacescience.org/

    National Geographic’s collection of community science projects: https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/citizen-science-projects/

    Collection of Community Science Projects in a searchable database: https://scistarter.org/finder?active=true

    Peer-reviewed article on crowdsourcing in science: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11846-022-00602-z

    Peer-reviewed article on community science:https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1462901119300942

    History of GISH items: https://gishwheshistorian.tumblr.com/2022items

    Follow more of IMSI’s work: www.IMSI.institute, (twitter) @IMSI_institute, (mastodon) https://sciencemastodon.com/@IMSI, (instagram) IMSI.institute

    Follow Kathryn Leonard: https://www.oxy.edu/academics/faculty/kathryn-leonard

    Follow Axel Carlier: https://ipal.cnrs.fr/axel-carlier-personal-page/

    This episode was audio engineered by Tyler Damme.

    Music by Blue Dot Sessions.

    The Institute for Mathematical and Statistical Innovation (IMSI) is funded by NSF grant DMS-1929348.


    Benson Farb on Math and Mentorship Apr 11, 2023
    Show notes

    Happy Mathematical and Statistical Awareness Month! To celebrate, hosts Sadie and Ian decided to take a peek behind the curtain and see what it is that pure mathematicians do all day. This episode follows a conversation with University of Chicago Math Professor Benson Farb as he explains how he approaches mentoring future mathematicians and what got him into his field in the first place. Spoiler alert: it’s a lot more about luck and timing than you’d expect!

    Find our transcript here: LINK

    Curious to learn more? Check out these additional links:

    UChicago Math Pizza Seminar: https://math.uchicago.edu/~pizzaseminar/

    Math Genealogy Tree: https://www.mathgenealogy.org/index.php

    Stereotype Threat Research: https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/10.1146/annurev-psych-073115-103235

    More on Benson: https://news.uchicago.edu/profile/benson-farb

    Follow more of IMSI’s work: www.IMSI.institute, (twitter) @IMSI_institute, (mastodon) https://sciencemastodon.com/@IMSI, (instagram) IMSI.institute

    Follow Benson Farb: https://mathematics.uchicago.edu/people/profile/benson-farb/

    This episode was audio engineered by Tyler Damme.

    Music by Blue Dot Sessions.

    The Institute for Mathematical and Statistical Innovation (IMSI) is funded by NSF grant DMS-1929348.


    Spring Hiatus Mar 28, 2023
    Show notes

    We're taking a short break to prepare for the rest of Season 2 and our collaboration with AGU’s Third Pod from the Sun. So stay tuned!

    Find our transcript here: LINK

    Follow more of IMSI’s work: www.IMSI.institute, (twitter) @IMSI_institute, (instagram) IMSI.institute

    This episode was audio engineered by Tyler Damme.

    Music by Blue Dot Sessions.

    The Institute for Mathematical and Statistical Innovation (IMSI) is funded by NSF grant DMS-1929348.


    Jude Higdon on Small Town Policing Mar 14, 2023
    Show notes

    We have another guest host this episode, with Jude Higdon. Jude is the Chief Information Officer at Bennington College and co-founder of the QSIDE Institute. Jude led the charge during IMSI’s Research Collaboration Workshop that was aimed at addressing small town policing.

    Using the road map laid out by the Small Town Policing Accountability (SToPA) Lab, Jude’s team developed a toolkit for procuring, structuring, and analyzing policing data in small towns that lack the resources and systems to make their own data public. By the end of a month at IMSI, Jude’s team had a prototype that can empower small community-based participatory action research.

    Find our transcript here: LINK

    Curious to learn more? Check out these additional links:

    QSIDE Institute: https://qsideinstitute.org/

    Small Town Policing Accountability previous research: https://bigdata.duke.edu/projects/small-town-policing-accountability/

    Submit a Research Collaboration Workshop proposal to IMSI: https://www.imsi.institute/proposals/collaboration/

    Follow more of IMSI’s work: www.IMSI.institute, (twitter) @IMSI_institute, (mastodon) https://sciencemastodon.com/@IMSI, (instagram) IMSI.institute

    Follow Jude Higdon: https://www.bennington.edu/about/college-leadership/jude-higdon

    This episode was audio engineered by Tyler Damme.

    Music by Blue Dot Sessions.

    The Institute for Mathematical and Statistical Innovation (IMSI) is funded by NSF grant DMS-1929348.


    Carrie Diaz Eaton on Community-Driven Data Science Feb 28, 2023
    Show notes

    Joining the helm as cohost, Bates Professor Carrie Diaz Eaton leads this week’s exploration of how to build a data science tool, not just for local activists, but with them. We begin with how the partnership between the environmental justice leadership program Nuevas Voces and Carrie’s team of interdisciplinary math researchers first met. Then, we hear from the members of Carrie’s Research Collaboration Workshop team as they worked at a breakneck pace here at IMSI to have a completed prototype by the end of a month.

    Find our transcript here: LINK

    Curious to learn more? Check out these additional links:

    Listen to Carrie’s first feature on Carry the Two: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/carrie-diaz-eaton-on-equity-in-policy-documents/id1629115184?i=1000567232994

    Woonasquatucket River Watershed Council: https://wrwc.org/wp/

    Nuevas Voces: https://wrwc.org/wp/nuevas-voces-graduation/

    Submit a Research Collaboration Workshop proposal to IMSI: https://www.imsi.institute/proposals/collaboration/

    Providence VECINA: https://math-data-justice-collaborative.github.io/fuertes-pvd/#1

    Example similar to VECINA: https://chichives.com/

    Follow more of IMSI’s work: www.IMSI.institute, (twitter) @IMSI_institute, (mastodon) https://sciencemastodon.com/@IMSI, (instagram) IMSI.institute

    Follow Carrie Diaz Eaton: @mathprofcarrie

    This episode was audio engineered by Tyler Damme.

    Music by Blue Dot Sessions. Sound effect from pixabay.

    The Institute for Mathematical and Statistical Innovation (IMSI) is funded by NSF grant DMS-1929348.


    Heather Zheng on Privacy and AI Feb 14, 2023
    Show notes

    What if you had a way to upload as many selfies as you wanted to instagram or facebook, and still protect yourself from facial recognition software? Turns out, that’s not a pipe dream! In fact, the SAND Lab (Security, Algorithms,Networking and Data) at the University of Chicago is developing all sorts of tools and techniques to help us protect our digital privacy.

    Joining us in this episode, Heather Zheng, PhD from the SAND lab, walks us through both examples of current data privacy concerns, as well as new potential threats to privacy. But don’t worry, for each concern, Heather is able to provide a solution to keep your data private.

    Find our transcript here: LINK

    Curious to learn more? Check out these additional links:

    (Guy) Fawkes image/photo masking: http://sandlab.cs.uchicago.edu/fawkes/

    Research about tracking you through your home with wi-fi: http://sandlab.cs.uchicago.edu/adversarialwifi/

    Research on recovering your key strokes: https://sandlab.cs.uchicago.edu/keystroke/

    Hidden Markov models explained: https://brilliant.org/wiki/hidden-markov-models/

    Allyson’s episode about GPT-3: [LINK]

    Follow more of IMSI’s work: www.IMSI.institute, (twitter) @IMSI_institute, (mastodon) https://sciencemastodon.com/@IMSI, (instagram) IMSI.institute

    Follow Heather Zheng: https://people.cs.uchicago.edu/~htzheng/

    This episode was audio engineered by Tyler Damme.

    Music by Blue Dot Sessions.

    The Institute for Mathematical and Statistical Innovation (IMSI) is funded by NSF grant DMS-1929348.


    Allyson Ettinger on GPT-3 Jan 31, 2023
    Show notes

    How can a teacher know if a student actually wrote their book report, or if a computer did it? Are AI writers coming for journalists’ jobs? What does it mean when a language processing model can write its own computer code upon request? These are all questions currently sparked by GPT-3, a free online natural language processing artificial intelligence by Open AI.

    This isn’t your dimestore chatbot. GPT-3 takes advantage of a whole new method of artificial intelligence research, called neural nets, to create plays, write code, and even roleplay as a historical figure. But what are the limitations to this kind of AI? In this episode of Carry the Two, University of Chicago professor Allyson Ettinger walks us through how GPT-3 manages to sound so human and where and how it fails in interesting ways.

    Find our transcript here: LINK

    Curious to learn more? Check out these additional links:

    Use natural language processing to talk with a TV character or historical figure: https://beta.character.ai/

    Chat bot using GPT-3.5: https://chat.openai.com/chat

    Find out how you can chat with GPT-3: https://lifearchitect.ai/how-do-i-talk-to-gpt/

    When GPT-3 accidentally lies: https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/11/18/1063487/meta-large-language-model-ai-only-survived-three-days-gpt-3-science/

    Microsoft’s chatbot that went racist: https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/24/11297050/tay-microsoft-chatbot-racist

    Is GPT-3 a replacement or tool for journalists: https://contently.net/2022/12/15/trends/chatgpt/

    Undark’s interview with GPT-3 on truth & journalism: https://undark.org/2023/01/07/interview-a-conversation-on-truth-and-fiction-with-chatgpt/

    Previous Carry the Two episode on statistical language learning with Ben Reuveni: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ben-reuveni-on-statistical-learning/id1629115184?i=1000577827727

    Follow more of IMSI’s work: www.IMSI.institute, (twitter) @IMSI_institute, (mastodon) https://sciencemastodon.com/@IMSI, (instagram) IMSI.institute

    Follow Allyson Ettinger: https://linguistics.uchicago.edu/people/allyson-ettinger, @AllysonEttinger

    This episode was audio engineered by Tyler Damme.

    Music by Blue Dot Sessions.

    Sound effects from pixabay.

    The Institute for Mathematical and Statistical Innovation (IMSI) is funded by NSF grant DMS-1929348.


    Tandy Warnow on Evolutionary Trees Jan 17, 2023
    Show notes

    Darwin first proposed evolution as a way that species change and diverge to fill niches in their environment. This observation led to the first, rudimentary species trees, showing ancestors and descendants across genetic lineages.

    But this work is far from settled. As we continue to collect more and richer data sets from species, whether they be plants, bacteria, or mammals like ourselves, researchers need new and better methods for building phylogenetic trees. That’s where Tandy Warnow, from the University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign, comes in.

    Find our transcript here: LINK

    Curious to learn more? Check out these additional links:

    Tandy’s talk for IMSI’s workshop, Eliciting Structure in Genomics Data: https://www.imsi.institute/videos/theory-and-practice-for-large-scale-phylogeny-estimation/

    History of the ‘Tree of Life’: https://www.nature.com/articles/540038a

    Multispecies coalescent process: https://academic.oup.com/book/26340/chapter-abstract/194642189?redirectedFrom=fulltext

    Gene duplication: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_by_gene_duplication

    Follow more of IMSI’s work: www.IMSI.institute, (twitter) @IMSI_institute, (mastodon) https://sciencemastodon.com/@IMSI, (instagram) IMSI.institute

    Follow Tandy Warnow: https://tandy.cs.illinois.edu/

    This episode was audio engineered by Tyler Damme.

    Music by Blue Dot Sessions.

    The Institute for Mathematical and Statistical Innovation (IMSI) is funded by NSF grant DMS-1929348.


    Mike Menzel on NASA's JWST Launch Jan 03, 2023
    Show notes

    Imagine trying to unfold 5 layered, thin metallic sheets, each the size of a tennis court without tearing or snagging the material. Now imagine doing it in the vacuum of space, at a distance much farther than the moon, and that a multimillion dollar project relies on your success. That provides a bit of perspective for the massive undertaking that was the James Webb Space Telescope (or JWST).

    In this episode of Carry the Two, we hear from NASA lead systems engineer, Mike Menzel, all about designing and testing the solar shield for JWST.

    Find our transcript here: LINK

    Curious to learn more? Check out these additional links:

    JWST’s orbit: https://jwst.nasa.gov/content/about/orbit.html

    General physics of the JWST: https://www.wired.com/story/the-physics-of-the-james-webb-space-telescope/

    Video of JWST unfolding (referenced in the episode): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg-YI0T-4Mk

    Coordinating the 18 mirrors: https://www.nasa.gov/vision/universe/starsgalaxies/wavefront.html

    What is a Lagrange point: https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/resources/754/what-is-a-lagrange-point/

    Why hexagons are a great shape (for telescope mirrors & other uses): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thOifuHs6eY

    Controversy surrounding the name of JWST: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/19/us/james-webb-telescope-gay-rights.html

    JWST’s images of Neptune: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2022/new-webb-image-captures-clearest-view-of-neptune-s-rings-in-decades

    Follow more of IMSI’s work: www.IMSI.institute, (twitter) @IMSI_institute, (mastodon) https://sciencemastodon.com/@IMSI, (instagram) IMSI.institute

    Follow Mike Menzel: https://webb.nasa.gov/content/meetTheTeam/people/menzel.html

    This episode was audio engineered by Tyler Damme.

    Music by Blue Dot Sessions & original score for Star Trek by Alexander Courage.

    Sound effect by beetpro at pixabay.

    The Institute for Mathematical and Statistical Innovation (IMSI) is funded by NSF grant DMS-1929348.


    Winter Hiatus Dec 20, 2022
    Show notes

    We're taking a short break to prepare for the new year and season 2. So stay tuned!

    Find our transcript here: LINK

    Follow more of IMSI’s work: www.IMSI.institute, (twitter) @IMSI_institute, (instagram) IMSI.institute

    This episode was audio engineered by Tyler Damme.

    Music by Blue Dot Sessions.

    The Institute for Mathematical and Statistical Innovation (IMSI) is funded by NSF grant DMS-1929348.


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