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Behind the Markets Podcast

Jeremy Schwartz, Global Chief Investment Officer at WisdomTree and Jeremy Siegel, professor of finance at Wharton and author of Stocks for the Long Run, host this long-running podcast that dives into the how and why of market performance with leading economists and market strategists to inform you what’s ahead for the economy and your portfolio.
Regularly joining the two Jeremys is the Deep Rooted Macro Team that decodes the forces shaping markets and portfolios worldwide.
Chris Gannatti, CFA, Global Head of Research, offers an analytical and thematic edge—bridging macro trends with on-the-ground technology and innovation. Whether unpacking the infrastructure powering the AI age or latest biotech breakthroughs, Chris translates complexity into conviction.
Jeff Weniger, CFA, Head of Equity Strategy, injects the pulse of behavioral markets and valuation discipline. With sharp macro instincts, Jeff dissects cycles, sentiment, and structural change with trademark clarity and wit.
Sam Rines, Macro Strategist for Model Portfolios, ties the threads together—linking policy, politics, and portfolio construction. His pragmatic macro lens captures how geopolitics, industrial policy, and energy dynamics flow into real-world GeoAlpha.
Together, the Deep Rooted Macro squad creates a fusion of rigorous research, accessible insights, and genuine debate.
Behind the Markets provides a regular masterclass in how the world really works beneath the surface of prices, data, and headlines. Tune in to hear where the Deep Rooted Macro team sees the next big shifts taking root.

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A new weekly market impact: escalate to de-escalate? May 30, 2025

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Show from 04/30/25 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel break down the market’s reaction to a dramatically improving trade deficit, discuss expected upward revisions to GDP, and reflect on the latest PCE inflation data. Professor Siegel also shares his views on the Fed’s independence in light of political pressure, tensions with China, and the AI-driven productivity surge. (19:05) Jeremy is joined by Phil Blancato for an in-depth discussion on market positioning, international equities, and the impact of tariffs. They explore bond opportunities, fiscal shifts in Europe, and why small and mid-cap U.S. stocks could see renewed growth. The conversation also covers structural advantages of U.S. consumers and how global trade deals may reshape earnings forecasts. Guest: Philip Blancato is Chief Market Strategist at Osaic, one of the nation's largest providers of wealth management solutions, President and CEO of Ladenburg Thalmann Asset Management, and Chairman of the Ladenburg Investment Policy Committee. As a financial services industry veteran of over 30 years, Philip possesses a specialized knowledge of portfolio and risk management, asset allocation, macroeconomic theory, and constructing and implementing seamlessly integrated platforms of fee-based solutions. Before Ladenburg Thalmann and Osaic, Philip was Managing Director of Advisory Services at PowellJohnson, where he directed the creation and implementation of a suite of fee-based platforms. He also worked for Prudential Securities where he held various positions within the Investment Management Services division before becoming First Vice President and Director of Portfolio Management Programs. During his tenure, Portfolio Management became one of the most successful divisions within Prudential Securities, with assets in excess of $16 billion. Philip regularly appears in national media outlets including the Wall Street Journal, Reuters, CNBC, and Fox Business, and speaks at industry events. He has a Bachelor of Science in Finance from Kean University, and a Marketing Continuing Education degree from New York University. Philip is also an Accredited Investment Fiduciary and has completed the Securities Industry Association accredited program at Wharton Business School. Follow Philp on X: https://x.com/philblancato?lang=en Weekly Market Impact: https://open.spotify.com/episode/78DYJPnxKxNJXZkiINVjpP Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments

Tariff Truths? Bull, Bears, and Bets on a Truce May 23, 2025

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Show from 05/23/25 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel break down the latest market concerns, focusing on President Trump's Truth Social posts and the potential impact of threatened tariffs on Apple and the EU. Professor Siegel expresses a cautiously optimistic view on markets, contingent on the rollback of these tariffs, and comments on unemployment claims, inflation indicators, and bond market reactions. (14:56) Jeremy continues with guests Sam Rines, Chris Gannatti, and Jeff Weniger to explore the implications of Trump's tariff threats, particularly on luxury European goods and Apple’s production strategy. They delve into trade negotiations, the bond market's influence on fiscal policy, and the potential for an austerity-driven economic debate. The team also evaluates AI’s economic impact, energy policies influenced by geopolitical strategies, and developments at major tech firms like Google and Microsoft, ending on mixed notes of caution and optimism for market trends and consumer behavior. Guest: Samuel Rines is a Macro Strategist at WisdomTree, where he extends the firm's custom model portfolio management capabilities. Before joining WisdomTree in 2024, he was the Managing Director at CORBU, LLC, leading the PolyMacro advisory product. Christopher Gannatti began at WisdomTree as a Research Analyst in December 2010, working directly with Jeremy Schwartz, CFA®, Director of Research. In January of 2014, he was promoted to Associate Director of Research where he was responsible to lead different groups of analysts and strategists within the broader Research team at WisdomTree. In February of 2018, Christopher was promoted to Head of Research, Europe, where he was based out of WisdomTree’s London office and was responsible for the full WisdomTree research effort within the European market, as well as supporting the UCITs platform globally. In November 2021, Christopher was promoted to Global Head of Research, now responsible for numerous communications on investment strategy globally, particularly in the thematic equity space Follow Sam Rines on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Follow Chri Gannatti on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments

A More Positive Outlook for Markets May 16, 2025

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Show from 03/21/25 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel discuss recent market resilience, the impact and perception of new tariffs, and why inflation expectations may be overstated. The Professor highlights consumer sentiment dips and sees potential upside if tariff fears remain contained. (15:24) Jeremy continues with Sam Rines and Chris Gannatti to analyze geopolitical and economic developments. They explore the implications of Trump’s Middle East trip, U.S.-China tech tensions, and India’s growing strategic importance. The conversation also dives into the state of the AI and robotics industries, potential biotech breakthroughs, and broader market signals suggesting improving investor sentiment. Guest: Samuel Rines is a Macro Strategist at WisdomTree, where he extends the firm's custom model portfolio management capabilities. Before joining WisdomTree in 2024, he was the Managing Director at CORBU, LLC, leading the PolyMacro advisory product. Christopher Gannatti began at WisdomTree as a Research Analyst in December 2010, working directly with Jeremy Schwartz, CFA®, Director of Research. In January of 2014, he was promoted to Associate Director of Research where he was responsible to lead different groups of analysts and strategists within the broader Research team at WisdomTree. In February of 2018, Christopher was promoted to Head of Research, Europe, where he was based out of WisdomTree’s London office and was responsible for the full WisdomTree research effort within the European market, as well as supporting the UCITs platform globally. In November 2021, Christopher was promoted to Global Head of Research, now responsible for numerous communications on investment strategy globally, particularly in the thematic equity space Follow Sam Rines on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Follow Chri Gannatti on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments

A Macro+Charts Special Episode May 09, 2025

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Show from 05/09/25 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel focus on Powell’s Fed commentary, discussing the lack of policy surprises, concerns about stagflation, and Siegel's critique of the Fed's rigid rate-setting practices. The professor also warns about supply chain disruptions from China and the risk of economic slowdown if tariffs persist. (34:15) Jeremy is joined by Macro Charts (referred to as MC), who shares his views on global market sentiment, tactical asset shifts, and the potential for a dollar rebound. MC discusses underperformance in international markets, rotation out of growth stocks, and strong momentum in Bitcoin, expressing cautious optimism about US equities while noting lingering risks in global currencies and commodities. Guest: Christopher Gannatti began at WisdomTree as a Research Analyst in December 2010, working directly with Jeremy Schwartz, CFA®, Director of Research. In January of 2014, he was promoted to Associate Director of Research where he was responsible to lead different groups of analysts and strategists within the broader Research team at WisdomTree. In February of 2018, Christopher was promoted to Head of Research, Europe, where he was based out of WisdomTree’s London office and was responsible for the full WisdomTree research effort within the European market, as well as supporting the UCITs platform globally. In November 2021, Christopher was promoted to Global Head of Research, now responsible for numerous communications on investment strategy globally, particularly in the thematic equity space Jeff Weniger, CFA serves as Head of Equity Strategy at WisdomTree. In his role, Weniger helps to formulate the firm’s stock market outlook by assessing macro and fundamental trends. Prior to joining WisdomTree, he was Director, Senior Strategist at BMO, where he worked in the office of the CIO from 2006 to 2017. He served on the firm’s Asset Allocation Committee and co-managed the firm’s ETF model portfolios for both the U.S. and Canada. In 2013, at the age of 32, Jeff was chosen as the youngest member of BMO’s Global Investment Forum, which collected the firm’s top global strategists to formulate the firm’s official long-term outlook for investment trends and markets. Macro Charts: https://www.macrocharts.com/ Follow Chri Gannatti on X: https://x.com/ChrisGannatti Follow Jeff Weiniger on X: https://x.com/JeffWeniger Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments

From Panic to Pop: Are Investors Still Too Bearish May 02, 2025

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Show from 05/02/25 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel break down the week’s economic headlines, highlighting resilient market behavior amid ongoing tariff concerns. The Professor points to mixed signals from earnings reports and the labor market, questions surrounding Q1 GDP contraction, and a lack of visible inflationary effects from tariffs thus far. (18:21) Jeremy continues the conversation with colleagues Sam Rines, Jeff Weninger, and Chris Gannatti. They explore how consumer staples companies are adjusting guidance amid pricing pressures, and how the broader market is reacting to headlines about trade deals, particularly with China and India. The group also dives into AI infrastructure investment, rotation beyond the Magnificent Seven, and potential catalysts for international equity markets, including Europe and India. Guest: Samuel Rines is a Macro Strategist at WisdomTree, where he extends the firm's custom model portfolio management capabilities. Before joining WisdomTree in 2024, he was the Managing Director at CORBU, LLC, leading the PolyMacro advisory product. Christopher Gannatti began at WisdomTree as a Research Analyst in December 2010, working directly with Jeremy Schwartz, CFA®, Director of Research. In January of 2014, he was promoted to Associate Director of Research where he was responsible to lead different groups of analysts and strategists within the broader Research team at WisdomTree. In February of 2018, Christopher was promoted to Head of Research, Europe, where he was based out of WisdomTree’s London office and was responsible for the full WisdomTree research effort within the European market, as well as supporting the UCITs platform globally. In November 2021, Christopher was promoted to Global Head of Research, now responsible for numerous communications on investment strategy globally, particularly in the thematic equity space Follow Sam Rines on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Follow Chri Gannatti on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments

Outlook for the Fed, the Flu, and Markets Apr 25, 2025

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Show from 04/25/25 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel covered the market impacts of tariffs, interest rate policy, and long-term inflation expectations. Professor Siegel emphasized the case for lower interest rates, highlighted trends in manufacturing decline, and discussed market resilience amid tariff concerns. (30:19) Jeremy is joined by David Kotok to discuss the economic consequences of tariff shocks, Federal Reserve policy, and insights from Kotok’s new book, The Fed and the Flu. They explore historical responses to pandemics, current financial stability risks, and the evolving role of central banks, while also addressing municipal bonds, gold, and global trade dynamics. Guest: David Kotok co-founded Cumberland Advisors in 1973 and during his career served as its chief investment officer, CEO, and board chairman. He remains a strategic advisor at Cumberland. David’s articles and financial market commentaries have appeared in the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, Barron’s, and other publications. He is a contributor or source to Bloomberg, Yahoo, CNN, Reuters, USA Today, and other media. He holds a B.S. in economics from the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, an M.S. in organizational dynamics from the School of Arts and Sciences at the University of Pennsylvania, and an M.A. in philosophy from the University of Pennsylvania. In addition to The Fed and the Flu, David has authored or co-authored four other books, including From Bear to Bull with ETFs (now in its second edition) and Adventures in Muniland. He has also written three monograph pamphlets. The first of these is “Lessons from Thucydides,” which details information asymmetries and their implications for investors and world affairs. The second is “Zika,” a work that compiles David’s research, interviews, and personal experience concerning the Zika virus and its potential for serious damage in the way of health and monetary costs. The expense for individuals can be devastating; and in the case of governments, ballooning health budgets may affect municipal bond ratings. The third is “Yield Curve Control – The story of ZIRP and NIRP.” The yield curve is usually defined as the range of yields on Treasury securities from three-month Treasury bills to 30-year Treasury bonds. David’s narrative and graphics tell the story of ZIRP (zero interest rate policy) and NIRP (negative interest rate policy) and explore what happens when central banks use YCC to control interest rates along some portion of the yield curve. David formerly served as Program Chairman for the Global Interdependence Center, or GIC, whose mission is to encourage the expansion of global dialogue and free trade in order to improve cooperation and understanding among nation states, with the goal of reducing international conflicts and improving worldwide living standards. David chaired the GIC's Central Banking Series and organized a five-continent dialogue held in Cape Town, Hong Kong, Hanoi, Milan, Paris, Philadelphia, Prague, Rome, Santiago, Shanghai, Singapore, Tallinn, and Zambia (Livingstone). He received the Global Citizen Award from GIC for his efforts and vision over many years and currently serves on the advisory board to the GIC’s College of Central Bankers. In conjunction with GIC, David organizes fishing retreats, primarily in Maine, that are affectionately known as “Camp Kotok” by friends and many in the financial press. Samuel Rines is a Macro Strategist at WisdomTree, where he extends the firm's custom model portfolio management capabilities. Before joining WisdomTree in 2024, he was the Managing Director at CORBU, LLC, leading the PolyMacro advisory product. Follow Sam Rines on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments GIC: https://www.interdependence.org/about/ The Fed and the Flu: Parsing Pandemic Economic Shocks: https://www.amazon.com/Fed-Flu-Parsing-Pandemic-Economic/dp/B0DRWBC8XS

The Plot Twist on Bearish Vibes Apr 18, 2025

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Show from 04/18/25 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel dive into this week’s market outlook, starting with Powell’s latest commentary and potential rate cuts. The Professor expresses concern over Powell downplaying recent favorable inflation data and suggests a preemptive rate cut is warranted, warning of recession risks if tariffs persist. He also critiques corporate earnings guidance in the face of rising trade uncertainty and emphasizes how tariffs could cap market growth for the foreseeable future. (17:32) Jeremy continues the conversation with Sam, Chris, Jeff, and Kevin, covering a wide array of macro topics. The discussion highlights bullish sentiment on non-U.S. markets, especially Japan, Mexico, and India amid shifting trade dynamics. The group also debates long-term investment themes, including the resilience of AI and tech despite tariff concerns, the resurgence of gold, and the critical role of cybersecurity in modern portfolios. Guest: Samuel Rines is a Macro Strategist at WisdomTree, where he extends the firm's custom model portfolio management capabilities. Before joining WisdomTree in 2024, he was the Managing Director at CORBU, LLC, leading the PolyMacro advisory product. Christopher Gannatti began at WisdomTree as a Research Analyst in December 2010, working directly with Jeremy Schwartz, CFA®, Director of Research. In January of 2014, he was promoted to Associate Director of Research where he was responsible to lead different groups of analysts and strategists within the broader Research team at WisdomTree. In February of 2018, Christopher was promoted to Head of Research, Europe, where he was based out of WisdomTree’s London office and was responsible for the full WisdomTree research effort within the European market, as well as supporting the UCITs platform globally. In November 2021, Christopher was promoted to Global Head of Research, now responsible for numerous communications on investment strategy globally, particularly in the thematic equity space Follow Sam Rines on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Follow Chris Gannatti on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments

Reasons For Optimism Amidst Tariff Tremors Apr 11, 2025

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Show from 04/11/25 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel reviewed a volatile week in the markets, focusing on rising yields and the dollar’s slide. The Professor attributed bond market moves to growing concerns about the U.S. deficit and potential shifts in global reserve currency dynamics. He emphasized the inflation impact of tariffs, potential recessionary risks, and questioned the long-term dominance of the U.S. economy. (47:03) Jeremy continues with Kevin Flanagan, Chris Gannatti, Jeff Weniger, and Sam Rines to unpack market reactions to geopolitical tensions, shifts in monetary policy expectations, and emerging market dynamics. The group discusses bond market mechanics, foreign policy ramifications, the relative strength of dividend-paying stocks, and how tech and AI trends may evolve amid supply chain and tariff uncertainty. Guest: Samuel Rines is a Macro Strategist at WisdomTree, where he extends the firm's custom model portfolio management capabilities. Before joining WisdomTree in 2024, he was the Managing Director at CORBU, LLC, leading the PolyMacro advisory product. Christopher Gannatti began at WisdomTree as a Research Analyst in December 2010, working directly with Jeremy Schwartz, CFA®, Director of Research. In January of 2014, he was promoted to Associate Director of Research where he was responsible to lead different groups of analysts and strategists within the broader Research team at WisdomTree. In February of 2018, Christopher was promoted to Head of Research, Europe, where he was based out of WisdomTree’s London office and was responsible for the full WisdomTree research effort within the European market, as well as supporting the UCITs platform globally. In November 2021, Christopher was promoted to Global Head of Research, now responsible for numerous communications on investment strategy globally, particularly in the thematic equity space As part of WisdomTree’s Investment Strategy group, Kevin Flanagan serves as Head of Fixed Income Strategy. In this role, he contributes to the asset allocation team, writes fixed income-related content and travels with the sales team, conducting client-facing meetings and providing expertise on WisdomTree’s existing and future bond ETFs. In addition, Kevin works closely with the fixed income team. Prior to joining WisdomTree, Kevin spent 30 years at Morgan Stanley, where he was Managing Director and Chief Fixed Income Strategist for Wealth Management. He was responsible for tactical and strategic recommendations and created asset allocation models for fixed income securities. He was a contributor to the Morgan Stanley Wealth Management Global Investment Committee, primary author of Morgan Stanley Wealth Management’s monthly and weekly fixed income publications, and collaborated with the firm’s Research and Consulting Group Divisions to build ETF and fund manager asset allocation models. Kevin has an MBA from Pace University’s Lubin Graduate School of Business, and a B.S in Finance from Fairfield University. Follow Sam Rines on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Follow Kevin Flanigan on X: https://x.com/kevinflanaganwt Follow Chri Gannatti on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments

Time to Buy the Dip? Apr 03, 2025

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Show from 04/04/25 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel dive into this week’s discussion with a focus on new tariff policies, the Fed’s next moves, and implications for the money supply. Professor Siegel criticizes the tariffs as a major unforced error, warns about the potential for a bear market if retaliations continue, and argues that the Fed should cut rates regardless of the inflationary effects of tariffs. (42:43) Jeremy continues with Sam Rines and Kevin Flanagan to unpack the global trade tensions and how countries like India, Mexico, and Japan might respond. They analyze market volatility, discuss sector positioning amid interest rate shifts, and explore geopolitical scenarios, including U.S.-China dynamics and potential policy off-ramps. Kevin and Sam also share views on fixed income strategy and what to expect from the Fed and fiscal policy in the weeks ahead. Guest: Samuel Rines is a Macro Strategist at WisdomTree, where he extends the firm's custom model portfolio management capabilities. Before joining WisdomTree in 2024, he was the Managing Director at CORBU, LLC, leading the PolyMacro advisory product. As part of WisdomTree’s Investment Strategy group, Kevin Flanagan serves as Head of Fixed Income Strategy. In this role, he contributes to the asset allocation team, writes fixed income-related content and travels with the sales team, conducting client-facing meetings and providing expertise on WisdomTree’s existing and future bond ETFs. In addition, Kevin works closely with the fixed income team. Prior to joining WisdomTree, Kevin spent 30 years at Morgan Stanley, where he was Managing Director and Chief Fixed Income Strategist for Wealth Management. He was responsible for tactical and strategic recommendations and created asset allocation models for fixed income securities. He was a contributor to the Morgan Stanley Wealth Management Global Investment Committee, primary author of Morgan Stanley Wealth Management’s monthly and weekly fixed income publications, and collaborated with the firm’s Research and Consulting Group Divisions to build ETF and fund manager asset allocation models. Kevin has an MBA from Pace University’s Lubin Graduate School of Business, and a B.S in Finance from Fairfield University. Follow Sam Rines on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Follow Kevin Flanagan on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-flanagan Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments

Trump's Tariff Turmoil Brings Global Portfolio Rotation Mar 27, 2025

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Show from 03/28/25 In this episode of Behind the Markets, host Jeremy Schwartz kicks off with an interview featuring Andreas Kern, CEO of WikiFolio, a unique German social trading platform that enables individuals to publish model portfolios and convert them into exchange-listed products. Kern discusses the recent sharp shift in investor behavior from U.S. equities to German mid-cap stocks, signaling growing confidence in European markets. He attributes this trend not only to valuation opportunities but also to cultural and structural differences in how Europeans and Americans approach risk, especially in relation to pension systems. Popular themes among German investors include defense and AI, with stocks like Rheinmetall and MercadoLibre topping portfolios. Kern also shares his ambition to bring WikiFolio to the U.S., positioning the platform as a democratizing force in asset management. (15:00) The second half of the episode shifts to macroeconomic strategy with Kevin Flanagan, Sam Rines, and Jeremy discussing the implications of tariffs, interest rates, and fiscal policy. Sam breaks down how tariffs affect U.S. businesses and consumers, while Jeremy highlights Professor Siegel’s concerns that tariffs could hurt capital inflows and raise rates. With “Liberation Day” (April 2) expected to bring clarity on trade policy, the group analyzes market reactions and resilience, suggesting much of the impact may already be priced in. The conversation then broadens to long-term themes: the Fed’s reactionary role, global defense spending surges (especially in Europe), and Trump’s potential tax reforms, including zero taxes for middle-income earners and cracking down on offshore corporate shelters. The episode closes with speculation on how tariffs might serve not just as trade tools but as revenue generators in a shifting economic order. Guest: Before founding wikifolio, Kern gained more than a decade of experience in the finance and payment industries, leading Paybox Austria GmbH to profitability and co-founding Payolution GmbH, which was later sold to Skrill/Moneybookers. He studied mathematics and computer science, holds a Master of Science in Innovation Management from Johannes Kepler Business School Linz, and is a trained exchange trader for futures and spot markets. His vision for wikifolio remains clear: make professional-level trading strategies more accessible, transparent, and rewarding for all investors. Follow Andreas Kern on X: https://twitter.com/AKE_Wikifolio/ More about Andreas: https://www.wikifolio.com/en/int/about-wikifolio/our-management Follow Sam Rines on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Follow Kevin Flanigan on X: https://x.com/kevinflanaganwt Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments

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