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Behind the Markets Podcast

Jeremy Schwartz, Global Chief Investment Officer at WisdomTree and Jeremy Siegel, professor of finance at Wharton and author of Stocks for the Long Run, host this long-running podcast that dives into the how and why of market performance with leading economists and market strategists to inform you what’s ahead for the economy and your portfolio.
Regularly joining the two Jeremys is the Deep Rooted Macro Team that decodes the forces shaping markets and portfolios worldwide.
Chris Gannatti, CFA, Global Head of Research, offers an analytical and thematic edge—bridging macro trends with on-the-ground technology and innovation. Whether unpacking the infrastructure powering the AI age or latest biotech breakthroughs, Chris translates complexity into conviction.
Jeff Weniger, CFA, Head of Equity Strategy, injects the pulse of behavioral markets and valuation discipline. With sharp macro instincts, Jeff dissects cycles, sentiment, and structural change with trademark clarity and wit.
Sam Rines, Macro Strategist for Model Portfolios, ties the threads together—linking policy, politics, and portfolio construction. His pragmatic macro lens captures how geopolitics, industrial policy, and energy dynamics flow into real-world GeoAlpha.
Together, the Deep Rooted Macro squad creates a fusion of rigorous research, accessible insights, and genuine debate.
Behind the Markets provides a regular masterclass in how the world really works beneath the surface of prices, data, and headlines. Tune in to hear where the Deep Rooted Macro team sees the next big shifts taking root.

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Disruption by Design: GPT-5, Tariffs, and the Shape of Things to Come Aug 08, 2025

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Show from 08/08/25 Host Chris Gannatti and Professor Siegel discuss Trump’s recent Fed nominations, labor market weakness, and the likelihood of a September rate cut. The Professor notes seasonal market risks in late August, continued strength in AI-driven tech earnings, and trade tensions impacting India, which he views as a potential buying opportunity. He also highlights his new article on the challenges of conducting monetary policy under the current interest-on-reserves system. (12:18) Chris continues with Samuel Rines, and Jeff Wenninger, exploring India’s oil trade dynamics with Russia, Trump’s geopolitical tactics, and the broader implications for markets. The conversation shifts to the Fed’s outsized influence, the economics of premium credit cards, and potential competition from stablecoins. They close with thoughts on airline travel trends, the energy demands of AI infrastructure, and big tech’s strategies in AI deployment and monetization. Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments

Planting Seeds for the Future Aug 01, 2025

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Show from 08/01/25 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel dive into market sentiment following Powell's recent remarks. The Professor discusses the Fed's hawkish stance, Powell's views on the neutral rate, and the implications of inflation driven by tariffs. He emphasizes concern over potential delays in Fed action and critiques Powell's consistency in messaging. (29:20) Jeremy continues the show with Sam Rines, Jeff Weniger, and Chris Gannatti to break down the August jobs report, implications of the two FOMC dissents, and the Fed’s hesitancy to pivot despite softening labor data. They discuss WisdomTree’s acquisition of Series Partners and the strategic importance of farmland investment. The team also reviews earnings from major tech firms and the role of AI in driving productivity. Lastly, they assess global trade dynamics and the geopolitical implications of new tariffs, alongside potential impacts of evolving AI technologies. Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments

The Genius Act, Leveling Up Earnings Jul 25, 2025

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Show from 07/25/25 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel discussed the Japan tariff deal, market optimism surrounding its announcement, and how it contributed to Japan’s stock market breakout. They analyzed the ambiguity of the deal’s financial terms and its potential geopolitical ripple effects. (27:08) Jeremy is joined by WisdomTree’s Ryan Louvar and Dovile Silenskyte for a deep dive into crypto developments. The conversation covers the Genius Act and Clarity Act’s implications for U.S. crypto regulation, the growing U.S. adoption of stablecoins, and the potential impact on blockchain infrastructure. They also explore parallels between the ETF and digital asset ecosystems, stablecoin usage in retail, and evolving European regulatory dynamics. Guest: Ryan Louvar has over 25 years of legal and business experience with deep expertise in ETFs, digital assets, tokenization, and financial innovation. He currently serves as Chief Legal Officer and Head of Business and Legal Affairs, Digital Assets at WisdomTree, where he oversees legal, risk, and compliance functions and helps drive the firm’s leadership in tokenized real-world assets through its WisdomTree Prime® mobile app and WisdomTree Connect™ web platform. Mr. Louvar also leads WisdomTree’s regulatory and legislative policy advocacy, supporting its mission to innovate within financial services and asset management. Dovile Silenskyte is a director of digital assets research at WisdomTree. Before joining WisdomTree in May 2024, Dovile worked as an index equity product strategist at BlackRock. Currently, she is responsible for conducting analyses for in-house digital assets publications and assisting the sales team with client queries about products and markets. Dovile holds an MSc in Finance from Texas A&M University – Commerce, and she is also a chartered financial analyst (CFA). Ryan Louvar on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryanlouvar/ Dovile Silenskyte on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dovilesilenskyte/ Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments

Powell Should Resign to Safeguard Fed Independence Jul 18, 2025

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Show from 07/18/25 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel open with a deep dive into the tense dynamics between President Trump and Fed Chair Jerome Powell, with Professor Siegel controversially suggesting Powell should resign to maintain the Fed’s independence. Siegel argues Powell faces only downside if economic conditions worsen, becoming a convenient scapegoat for Trump's economic policies. (23:13) Jeremy and the WisdomTree macro team, including Sam Rines, Jeff Weniger, and Chris Gannatti, then analyze the week's geopolitical developments, the ongoing Russia-Ukraine conflict, European defense spending trends, implications of Trump's tariffs, and recent earnings from key companies like Netflix, Pepsi, Johnson & Johnson, and Nvidia. Guest: Samuel Rines is a Macro Strategist at WisdomTree, where he extends the firm's custom model portfolio management capabilities. Before joining WisdomTree in 2024, he was the Managing Director at CORBU, LLC, leading the PolyMacro advisory product. Christopher Gannatti began at WisdomTree as a Research Analyst in December 2010, working directly with Jeremy Schwartz, CFA®, Director of Research. In January of 2014, he was promoted to Associate Director of Research where he was responsible to lead different groups of analysts and strategists within the broader Research team at WisdomTree. In February of 2018, Christopher was promoted to Head of Research, Europe, where he was based out of WisdomTree’s London office and was responsible for the full WisdomTree research effort within the European market, as well as supporting the UCITs platform globally. In November 2021, Christopher was promoted to Global Head of Research, now responsible for numerous communications on investment strategy globally, particularly in the thematic equity space. Jeff Weniger, CFA serves as Head of Equity Strategy at WisdomTree. In his role, Weniger helps to formulate the firm’s stock market outlook by assessing macro and fundamental trends. Prior to joining WisdomTree, he was Director, Senior Strategist at BMO, where he worked in the office of the CIO from 2006 to 2017. He served on the firm’s Asset Allocation Committee and co-managed the firm’s ETF model portfolios for both the U.S. and Canada. In 2013, at the age of 32, Jeff was chosen as the youngest member of BMO’s Global Investment Forum, which collected the firm’s top global strategists to formulate the firm’s official long-term outlook for investment trends and markets. Follow Sam Rines on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Follow Chri Gannatti on X: https://x.com/cgannatti?lang=en Follow Jeff Weniger on X: https://x.com/JeffWeniger Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments

Looking for the GeoAlpha? Jul 11, 2025

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Show from 07/11/25 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel discuss the recent tariff headlines and market reactions. Professor Siegel highlights that tariffs and guidance for Q3 are currently driving the markets, but he remains skeptical that new tariffs will significantly impact economic growth. (11:41) Jeremy then talks with Sam Rines, Chris Gannatti, and Jeff Weniger about the broader implications of tariff escalation, the surprising resilience of consumer spending, and the ongoing tech dominance, especially around AI, Apple, Nvidia, and Alphabet. The group also covers geopolitical strategies in investing and the rationale behind redefining emerging markets, particularly with a focus on India and excluding China, Korea, and Taiwan. Guest: Samuel Rines is a Macro Strategist at WisdomTree, where he extends the firm's custom model portfolio management capabilities. Before joining WisdomTree in 2024, he was the Managing Director at CORBU, LLC, leading the PolyMacro advisory product. Christopher Gannatti began at WisdomTree as a Research Analyst in December 2010, working directly with Jeremy Schwartz, CFA®, Director of Research. In January of 2014, he was promoted to Associate Director of Research where he was responsible to lead different groups of analysts and strategists within the broader Research team at WisdomTree. In February of 2018, Christopher was promoted to Head of Research, Europe, where he was based out of WisdomTree’s London office and was responsible for the full WisdomTree research effort within the European market, as well as supporting the UCITs platform globally. In November 2021, Christopher was promoted to Global Head of Research, now responsible for numerous communications on investment strategy globally, particularly in the thematic equity space. Jeff Weniger, CFA serves as Head of Equity Strategy at WisdomTree. In his role, Weniger helps to formulate the firm’s stock market outlook by assessing macro and fundamental trends. Prior to joining WisdomTree, he was Director, Senior Strategist at BMO, where he worked in the office of the CIO from 2006 to 2017. He served on the firm’s Asset Allocation Committee and co-managed the firm’s ETF model portfolios for both the U.S. and Canada. In 2013, at the age of 32, Jeff was chosen as the youngest member of BMO’s Global Investment Forum, which collected the firm’s top global strategists to formulate the firm’s official long-term outlook for investment trends and markets. Follow Sam Rines on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Follow Chri Gannatti on X: https://x.com/cgannatti?lang=en Follow Jeff Weniger on X: https://x.com/JeffWeniger Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments

Jobs Report Better than Feared… But is AI Coming for Your Job? Jul 03, 2025

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Show from 07/03/25 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel break down the latest jobs report, noting that while headline numbers surprised to the upside, underlying data show mixed signals and tame wage growth. The Professor expects no rate changes from the Fed in July and sees continued market optimism supported by stable money supply and upcoming trade deals. (11:16) Jeremy is joined by Sam Rines, Jeff Weniger, and Chris Gannatti for an in-depth discussion on the recent Vietnam trade deal, the stalled Japan negotiations, the AI-driven productivity boom, and shifting market leadership from mega-cap tech to industrials, biotech, and small caps. They also cover the potential impact of AI on employment, trends in nuclear energy and robotics, and the broader bullish momentum across global markets heading into the summer. Guest: Samuel Rines is a Macro Strategist at WisdomTree, where he extends the firm's custom model portfolio management capabilities. Before joining WisdomTree in 2024, he was the Managing Director at CORBU, LLC, leading the PolyMacro advisory product. Christopher Gannatti began at WisdomTree as a Research Analyst in December 2010, working directly with Jeremy Schwartz, CFA®, Director of Research. In January of 2014, he was promoted to Associate Director of Research where he was responsible to lead different groups of analysts and strategists within the broader Research team at WisdomTree. In February of 2018, Christopher was promoted to Head of Research, Europe, where he was based out of WisdomTree’s London office and was responsible for the full WisdomTree research effort within the European market, as well as supporting the UCITs platform globally. In November 2021, Christopher was promoted to Global Head of Research, now responsible for numerous communications on investment strategy globally, particularly in the thematic equity space. Jeff Weniger, CFA serves as Head of Equity Strategy at WisdomTree. In his role, Weniger helps to formulate the firm’s stock market outlook by assessing macro and fundamental trends. Prior to joining WisdomTree, he was Director, Senior Strategist at BMO, where he worked in the office of the CIO from 2006 to 2017. He served on the firm’s Asset Allocation Committee and co-managed the firm’s ETF model portfolios for both the U.S. and Canada. In 2013, at the age of 32, Jeff was chosen as the youngest member of BMO’s Global Investment Forum, which collected the firm’s top global strategists to formulate the firm’s official long-term outlook for investment trends and markets. Follow Sam Rines on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Follow Chri Gannatti on X: https://x.com/cgannatti?lang=en Follow Jeff Weniger on X: https://x.com/JeffWeniger Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments

H2 Outlook: A Bullish Setup Jun 27, 2025

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Show from 06/27/25 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel discuss the S&P 500 hitting new highs, positive developments from the NATO meetings, and the impact of Middle East dynamics on the markets. The Professor also weighs in on potential Fed moves, a slowing economy, and how firms might use AI to offset tariffs and labor costs. (11:10) Jeremy is joined by Warren Pies of 3Fourteen Research, along with Sam Ryans, Jeff Wenniger, and Chris Gannatti, to unpack second-half market outlooks, the fading oil risk premium, and opportunities in global equities. They cover the technical setup for stocks, the impact of tariffs and a weaker dollar on earnings, and how AI adoption and corporate governance trends could shape markets ahead. Guest: Warren is an Energy Risk Professional – Certified by the Global Association of Risk Professionals. At 3Fourteen, Warren works closely with a team of analysts, data scientists, and developers whose expertise ranges from machine learning, time series analysis, and application development. Samuel Rines is a Macro Strategist at WisdomTree, where he extends the firm's custom model portfolio management capabilities. Before joining WisdomTree in 2024, he was the Managing Director at CORBU, LLC, leading the PolyMacro advisory product. Christopher Gannatti began at WisdomTree as a Research Analyst in December 2010, working directly with Jeremy Schwartz, CFA®, Director of Research. In January of 2014, he was promoted to Associate Director of Research where he was responsible to lead different groups of analysts and strategists within the broader Research team at WisdomTree. In February of 2018, Christopher was promoted to Head of Research, Europe, where he was based out of WisdomTree’s London office and was responsible for the full WisdomTree research effort within the European market, as well as supporting the UCITs platform globally. In November 2021, Christopher was promoted to Global Head of Research, now responsible for numerous communications on investment strategy globally, particularly in the thematic equity space. Jeff Weniger, CFA serves as Head of Equity Strategy at WisdomTree. In his role, Weniger helps to formulate the firm’s stock market outlook by assessing macro and fundamental trends. Prior to joining WisdomTree, he was Director, Senior Strategist at BMO, where he worked in the office of the CIO from 2006 to 2017. He served on the firm’s Asset Allocation Committee and co-managed the firm’s ETF model portfolios for both the U.S. and Canada. In 2013, at the age of 32, Jeff was chosen as the youngest member of BMO’s Global Investment Forum, which collected the firm’s top global strategists to formulate the firm’s official long-term outlook for investment trends and markets. Warren Pies on X: https://www.3fourteenresearch.com/about 3Fourteen Research: https://www.3fourteenresearch.com/about Follow Sam Rines on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Follow Chri Gannatti on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Follow Jeff Weiniger on X: https://x.com/JeffWeniger Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments

Iran Lessons and Too Late Powell Strikes Again Jun 20, 2025

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Show from 06/20/25 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel assess the Fed's latest policy posture, ongoing tariff impacts, and inflation expectations. The Professor critiques Powell’s stance on tariff-induced inflation, expresses concern over rising jobless claims and layoffs, and notes the Fed’s significant upcoming workforce reduction. He also discusses the subdued market response to Middle East tensions and his views on AI as a productivity offset. (31:41) Jeremy continues the show with Chris Gannatti, Sam Rines, and Jeff Weniger to explore the implications of geopolitical developments, especially the Israel-Iran conflict, on energy and markets. They dive into U.S. trade negotiations, Japan’s inflation dynamics, and emerging AI trends like robotics investment. The team rounds out the episode with discussions on gold’s valuation, currency positioning, and short-term market outlook. Guest: Samuel Rines is a Macro Strategist at WisdomTree, where he extends the firm's custom model portfolio management capabilities. Before joining WisdomTree in 2024, he was the Managing Director at CORBU, LLC, leading the PolyMacro advisory product. Christopher Gannatti began at WisdomTree as a Research Analyst in December 2010, working directly with Jeremy Schwartz, CFA®, Director of Research. In January of 2014, he was promoted to Associate Director of Research where he was responsible to lead different groups of analysts and strategists within the broader Research team at WisdomTree. In February of 2018, Christopher was promoted to Head of Research, Europe, where he was based out of WisdomTree’s London office and was responsible for the full WisdomTree research effort within the European market, as well as supporting the UCITs platform globally. In November 2021, Christopher was promoted to Global Head of Research, now responsible for numerous communications on investment strategy globally, particularly in the thematic equity space. Jeff Weniger, CFA serves as Head of Equity Strategy at WisdomTree. In his role, Weniger helps to formulate the firm’s stock market outlook by assessing macro and fundamental trends. Prior to joining WisdomTree, he was Director, Senior Strategist at BMO, where he worked in the office of the CIO from 2006 to 2017. He served on the firm’s Asset Allocation Committee and co-managed the firm’s ETF model portfolios for both the U.S. and Canada. In 2013, at the age of 32, Jeff was chosen as the youngest member of BMO’s Global Investment Forum, which collected the firm’s top global strategists to formulate the firm’s official long-term outlook for investment trends and markets. Follow Sam Rines on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Follow Chri Gannatti on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Follow Jeff Weiniger on X: https://x.com/JeffWeniger Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments

Trades for this week GeoPol Vol Jun 13, 2025

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Show from 06/13/25 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel discuss the geopolitical ramifications of Israel's recent military strike on Iran, its muted market impact, and the broader implications for inflation and Fed policy. Professor Siegel emphasized Iran’s weakened position, the role of U.S. coordination, and reiterated his view that inflation remains on a downward trend, supporting a Fed rate cut. (10:00) Jeremy continues the conversation with Sam Rines, Jeff Weniger, and Chris Gannatti from WisdomTree. The group explores the geopolitical and market implications of the Israeli strike, oil market reactions, and implications for energy and defense stocks. They also assess inflation data, critique Fed policy, analyze Apple’s innovation struggles, and delve into recent AI developments and global trade negotiations, with particular attention to U.S.-China relations and South Korea’s corporate reform efforts. Guest: Samuel Rines is a Macro Strategist at WisdomTree, where he extends the firm's custom model portfolio management capabilities. Before joining WisdomTree in 2024, he was the Managing Director at CORBU, LLC, leading the PolyMacro advisory product. Christopher Gannatti began at WisdomTree as a Research Analyst in December 2010, working directly with Jeremy Schwartz, CFA®, Director of Research. In January of 2014, he was promoted to Associate Director of Research where he was responsible to lead different groups of analysts and strategists within the broader Research team at WisdomTree. In February of 2018, Christopher was promoted to Head of Research, Europe, where he was based out of WisdomTree’s London office and was responsible for the full WisdomTree research effort within the European market, as well as supporting the UCITs platform globally. In November 2021, Christopher was promoted to Global Head of Research, now responsible for numerous communications on investment strategy globally, particularly in the thematic equity space Follow Sam Rines on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Follow Chri Gannatti on X: https://x.com/SamuelRines Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments

AI and National Security live from DC Jun 06, 2025

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Show from 06/06/25 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel analyze the latest employment report, which showed a mixed picture with strong healthcare and entertainment hiring, despite downward revisions in prior months. Professor Siegel emphasized the overall positive market sentiment, noting resilience in spending and projecting potential new all-time highs for the S&P 500. (11:23) Jeremy and Chris Gannatti are joined by Dylan Patel, founder of SemiAnalysis, to explore critical AI infrastructure themes discussed at the SCSP conference. They dive into the challenges of US chip policy, the implications of export restrictions, global supply chain risks, and power constraints facing data centers. Dylan provides a deep dive into geopolitics, national security, and whether AI infrastructure spending—especially in the Middle East—is sustainable or represents the next bubble. Guest: Dylan Patel is the Founder, CEO, and Chief Analyst of SemiAnalysis – the preeminent authority on all things AI and semiconductors. Through Dylan’s unwavering commitment to excellence, he has built the firm from the ground up as the recognized authority on the semiconductor supply chain to the cloud ecosystem, machine learning models, and all things in between. Since 2020, SemiAnalysis has transformed its business from a solo venture into a cohesive and focused team to provide breaking news and in-depth analysis for the most strategic, complex, and escalating challenges in the semiconductor industry. Follow Dylan on X: https://x.com/dylan522p?lang=en Wisdom Tree: https://www.wisdomtree.com/investments SCSP Conference: https://www.scsp.ai/

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