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Behind the Markets Podcast

Jeremy Schwartz, Global Chief Investment Officer at WisdomTree and Jeremy Siegel, professor of finance at Wharton and author of Stocks for the Long Run, host this long-running podcast that dives into the how and why of market performance with leading economists and market strategists to inform you what’s ahead for the economy and your portfolio.
Regularly joining the two Jeremys is the Deep Rooted Macro Team that decodes the forces shaping markets and portfolios worldwide.
Chris Gannatti, CFA, Global Head of Research, offers an analytical and thematic edge—bridging macro trends with on-the-ground technology and innovation. Whether unpacking the infrastructure powering the AI age or latest biotech breakthroughs, Chris translates complexity into conviction.
Jeff Weniger, CFA, Head of Equity Strategy, injects the pulse of behavioral markets and valuation discipline. With sharp macro instincts, Jeff dissects cycles, sentiment, and structural change with trademark clarity and wit.
Sam Rines, Macro Strategist for Model Portfolios, ties the threads together—linking policy, politics, and portfolio construction. His pragmatic macro lens captures how geopolitics, industrial policy, and energy dynamics flow into real-world GeoAlpha.
Together, the Deep Rooted Macro squad creates a fusion of rigorous research, accessible insights, and genuine debate.
Behind the Markets provides a regular masterclass in how the world really works beneath the surface of prices, data, and headlines. Tune in to hear where the Deep Rooted Macro team sees the next big shifts taking root.

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Latest Episodes:

Going Beyond Stocks and Bonds: How Much is Too Much and Cliffwater's Solutions Oct 18, 2024

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Show from 10/18/24 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Jeremy Siegel discuss the latest market trends, starting with strong retail sales, the bond yield increases, and a solid third-quarter GDP outlook. Siegel highlights positive productivity growth and deposit expansion, suggesting that the neutral interest rate might be higher than expected. He also comments on upcoming midterm elections and their potential market impact. (10:00) Jeremy then turns to guest Phil Huber, Head of Portfolio Solutions at Cliffwater, who shares insights on the growing role of alternative investments. They delve into private markets, private debt, and the increasing interest in alternatives for portfolios, emphasizing the importance of diversification, liquidity management, and manager selection in these areas. Guest: As both a wealth management practitioner and an investment-industry thought leader, Phil Huber, CFA, CFP®, is uniquely qualified in helping investors design, implement, and stick with evidence-based portfolios built to fulfill long-term financial goals and objectives. Phil is the Head of Portfolio Solutions for Cliffwater, a leading alternative investment adviser and fund manager. Prior to joining Cliffwater in 2024, Phil was the Chief Investment Officer for Savant Wealth Management, a multi-billion dollar wealth management firm. Phil has been involved in the financial services industry since 2007. He earned a bachelor’s degree in finance from the Kelley School of Business at Indiana University. He is a member of the CFA Society of Chicago. He is the author of The Allocator’s Edge: A Modern Guide to Alternative Investments and the Future of Diversification. Phil has been featured by a number of media outlets, including The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, InvestmentNews, CityWire RIA Magazine, and Bloomberg TV. Follow Phil on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/phil-huber More Insights from Cliffwater: https://www.cliffwater.com/Insights Direct Lending for the Long Run: https://www.cliffwater.com/ResourceArticle?docId=23740 Cliffwater Direct Lending Index: https://www.cliffwaterdirectlendingindex.com/

The Latest Market Pulse and Another Alt Jobs Indicator Oct 11, 2024

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Show from 10/11/24 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel discuss the latest inflation data, particularly focusing on the CPI, PPI, and jobless claims. Professor Siegel expresses mixed reactions, noting improvements in the PPI but concerns about other inflation indicators like car insurance and housing costs. He also mentions the market's resilience and optimism despite weaker data, particularly regarding inflation and jobless claims, and forecasts potential future Fed rate cuts. (9:00) Jeremy is then joined by Anna Rathbun, Chief Investment Officer at CBIZ Investment Advisory Services, who discusses the firm’s broad services and her perspective on economic data, including small business employment and inflation volatility. Rathbun emphasizes the uncertainty of the economic trajectory, explains the firm’s approach to portfolio construction, and shares insights into global markets, highlighting opportunities in India and Japan while cautioning against China. She also offers thoughts on U.S. geopolitical resilience and the potential for recession-driven tax policy shifts. Guest: Anna is the chief investment officer for CBIZ Investment Advisory Services, LLC (CBIZ IAS), a Registered Investment Advisory firm. Anna is responsible for overseeing the investment activities of CBIZ IAS through the CBIZ national Investment Committee. She helps to set the direction of the firm as a member of the Executive Committee. Learn more about Anna at: https://www.cbiz.com/about-us/employee-directory/employee-details/anna-j-rathbun Follow Anna on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anna-rathbun-cfa-caia-aa561689

Was that Jobs Report Really Hot? And a Special Tribute Oct 04, 2024

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Show from 10/04/24 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel open this week’s episode discussing the strong market report, noting gains in productivity despite a decline in hours worked, and the potential for a quarter-point rate cut by the Fed. Professor Siegel highlights the recalibration of long-term interest rates, predicting they may settle around 4-4.5%, and emphasizes the lowered risk of recession. (12:00) Jeremy is then joined by Yashwant Bajaj, founder and CIO of Four Ships Asset Management, for a special tribute to Ken Taheny, who tragically passed away. The conversation covers the outlook for Japan, its managed yen depreciation, and its geopolitical positioning in the global supply chain, particularly in semiconductors and other strategic sectors. Yashwant also shares insights into Japan's potential industrial revitalization and the challenges and opportunities facing the country. Learn more about Yashwant at: https://www.four-ships.com/ Follow Yashwant on LinkedIn: https://sg.linkedin.com/in/yashwant-bajaj-68433053

Finding Your Leading Edge Sep 27, 2024

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Show from 09/27/24 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Jeremy Siegel discuss the latest market data, focusing on US economic indicators and the impact of monetary policy. Professor Siegel highlights the increase in M2 money supply, home price trends, and the PCE deflator, suggesting the Fed may continue to lower rates. He shares his outlook on the 10-year treasury yield, China's economic stimulus, and Japanese equities before signing off. (10:00) Jeremy continues with guest Tom Morgan, who shares insights from his experience on Wall Street, his interest in human behavior, and his transition to a more holistic approach to decision-making. Tom discusses the impact of left versus right brain dominance on investing and personal life, emphasizing the importance of balance and intuition. He also talks about his network, the Leading Edge, where he helps people explore new identities and enhance their intuitive decision-making. Guest: Tom Morgan is a former financier and founder of The Leading Edge, a media platform and transformational community dedicated to sharing world-changing ideas and facilitating life-changing experiences. Learn more about Tom at: https://www.theleading-edge.org/ Follow Tom on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-morgan-3a619372

A New Predictive Edge Sep 20, 2024

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Show from 09/20/24 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel discussed the recent Federal Reserve meeting, with Professor Siegel expressing surprise that the Fed didn't raise rates by a quarter point despite strong data. He explained the Fed's recalibration in its approach, focusing on reaching the long-run neutral rate, which he estimates is around 3.5%. He also shared his expectations for gradual rate cuts over the next year and the potential impacts on stocks and bonds. (19:00) Jeremy continues with Alejandro Lopez-Lira from the University of Florida, who shares insights on his recent research using AI for stock prediction. They discuss the implications of large language models like ChatGPT on financial forecasting and market efficiency. Alejandro also talks about his new book, "The Predictive Edge," and delves into how AI and machine learning can enhance traditional financial models and portfolio strategies. Guest: Alejandro Lopez-Lira is an Assistant professor of Finance at Warrington College of Business, University of Florida. He holds a PhD in Finance from the Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania. His research covers topics in Empirical Asset Pricing, Machine Learning and Textual Analysis. Learn more about Alejandro at: https://alejandrolopezlira.site/ Follow Alejandro on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alejandro-lopez-lira-239525a9?original_referer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

The Best Conference for Quant Finance Researchers Sep 20, 2024

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Show from 09/13/24 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel discuss this week’s market movements, highlighting the implications of recent inflation data and the Federal Reserve’s policy outlook. Professor Siegel emphasizes his expectation for a series of gradual rate cuts over the coming months, expressing concerns about the Fed’s pace of adjustments. (15:00) Jeremy continues the conversation with Wharton Professor Chris Geczy, who shares his insights on inflation, market dynamics, and his experiences with the intersection of AI and investment management. They delve into the implications of fiscal policy, the evolving role of AI in finance, and the importance of diversified investment strategies in today’s market environment. Guest: Chris Geczy has been on the Finance Department faculty at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania since 1997. He is Academic Director of the Jacobs Levy Equity Management Center for Quantitative Financial Research. He is also Academic Director of the Wharton Wealth Management Initiative at Wharton Executive Education. He has a B.A. in economics from the University of Pennsylvania and a Ph.D. in finance and econometrics from the Graduate School of Business at the University of Chicago (now the Booth School). Learn more about Chris at: https://fnce.wharton.upenn.edu/profile/geczy/ Follow Chris on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-geczy-ph-d-a69114

What's next for the Fed, Gold, and traditional 60/40 portfolios? Sep 06, 2024

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Show from 09/06/24 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel discuss the latest jobs report, noting it was weaker than expected but not disastrous. Professor Siegel also highlights concerns about the Fed being behind the curve, the impact of rising rates on the bond market, and his view on where the Fed funds rate should be. (12:47) Jeremy continues with guest Peter Boockvar, CIO at Bleakley Advisory Group, who shares insights on the economic impact of prolonged high rates and concerns about weakening market leadership. The conversation covers topics such as gold, central bank reserves, the challenges and opportunities in emerging markets, particularly Asia, and the risks surrounding U.S. debt and deficits. Peter emphasizes the importance of commodities in a diversified portfolio and the potential shifts in market leadership in the current macroeconomic climate. Guest: Peter is the Chief Investment Officer of Bleakley Financial Group, a $8B wealth management firm. He is also Editor of The Boock Report. He previously was the Chief Market Analyst for The Lindsey Group, a macro economic and market research firm started by Larry Lindsey. Prior to this, Peter spent a brief time at Omega Advisors, a New York-based hedge fund, as a macro analyst and portfolio manager. Before this, he was an employee and partner at Miller Tabak + Co for 18 years where he was recently the equity strategist and a portfolio manager with Miller Tabak Advisors. Peter graduated Magna Cum Laude with a B.B.A. in Finance from George Washington University. Learn more about Peter at: https://www.cnbc.com/peter-boockvar/ Follow Peter on X(Twitter): @pboockvar

Rents and Realities: Perspectives on Multi-family Housing Aug 30, 2024

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Show from 08/30/24 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel discuss the latest market data, including recent jobless claims, the inflation outlook, and upcoming Fed decisions. Professor Siegel emphasizes the need for the Fed to lower rates to avoid unnecessary recession risks and comments on the stable but unimpressive economic performance. (09:08) Jeremy continues the discussion with guests Richard Oller and Jake Hollinger, who share insights on the real estate market, including rental trends stabilizing post-pandemic, the impact of interest rates on property valuations, and the challenges of negative leverage. They also explore the broader supply-demand dynamics in housing, potential policy solutions for affordability, and the evolving cultural shift towards renting over homeownership. Guests: Richard, a lawyer by training, in 1985 founded the Wentworth Group (now First Service Residential) which over the next 15 years grew into one of the largest residential real estate management firms in the United States. In 2004 Richard aligned with his current partner, Jeffrey Goldstein, sharing the helm at Multifamily Management Services and Affiliates (MMS) and GoldOller. As a founding member of GoldOller Real Estate Investments, LLC, Jakes serves as President and Chief Operating Officer. In this role, Jake directs new investments for the Goldoller portfolio and oversees management operations for all investments. Jake has over 15 years of experience working with real estate investments in acquisitions, development, finance, and management. Learn more about Richard at: https://goldoller.com/the-go-team/ Learn more about Jake at: https://goldoller.com/the-go-team/ Follow Jake on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/bill-miller-cfa-a421075

Powell Surprises: Time to Pivot to Value, Partner? Aug 23, 2024

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Show from 08/23/24 Host Jeremy Schwartz and Professor Siegel discuss Powell’s recent speech at Jackson Hole, noting its dovish tone and implications for future Fed rate cuts. Professor Siegel emphasizes the ongoing strength in economic data, such as jobless claims and new home sales, while expressing concern over the timing and scale of rate cuts. He predicts that value stocks, small caps, and dividend payers will benefit as the Fed’s easing cycle continues. (12:21) Jeremy is joined by Bill Miller, who shares his insights on the economy and markets, including the strength of small-cap stocks. The two discuss opportunities for home builders and the impact of Fed policy on interest rates. Miller also discusses his firm’s value-oriented investment strategy, including positions in companies like Stellantis and PayPal, and his bullish stance on Bitcoin as a long-term investment. Guest: Bill Miller IV, CFA, CMT has managed the firm’s Income Strategy since April, 2009. Prior to working exclusively with Miller Value Partners, Bill worked at Legg Mason Capital Management since 2008 covering the specialty finance and consumer spaces with a focus on high-yielding securities. Bill earned his MBA from the Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth after working as an analyst at the management consulting firm McKinsey & Company. He graduated Phi Beta Kappa and magna cum laude from Tufts University with a degree in economics. Bill earned his CFA designation in 2011 and his CMT designation in 2018. Learn more about Bill at: https://millervalue.com/ Follow Bill on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/bill-miller-cfa-a421075

Fishing and finance: a readout from Maine Aug 16, 2024

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Show from 08/16/24 Host Jeremy Schwartz is joined outdoors by guests Jim Bianco, founder of Bianco Research, and Jack Farley of Blockworks and the Forward Guidance podcast. The trio delves into a broad array of topics, including the potential for further interest rate cuts. They discuss implications of persistently high inflation, and the shifting dynamics in the bond and stock markets. Jim Bianco shares his perspective on a "no landing" scenario where the economy continues to grow without a significant downturn, which could lead to structurally higher inflation. They also discuss the evolution of the bond market, particularly the growing influence of ETFs. They talk about how these financial instruments are transforming traditional investment strategies. Guests: Jim Bianco is President and Macro Strategist at Bianco Research, L.L.C. Since 1990 Jim’s commentaries have offered a unique perspective on the global economy and financial markets. Unencumbered by the biases of traditional Wall Street research, Jim has built a decades-long reputation for objective, incisive commentary that challenges consensus thinking. In nearly 20 years at Bianco Research, Jim’s wide ranging commentaries have addressed monetary policy, the intersection of markets and politics, the role of government in the economy, fund flows and positioning in financial markets. Jack Farley covers traditional finance markets as the host of “Forward Guidance”. Jack previously worked at Bloomberg, Dealbreaker, and Real Vision, where he hosted over 100 long-form interviews with investors, analysts, and financial professionals. Jack graduated from Brown University with a degree in economics, and lives in NYC. Learn more about Jim at: https://www.biancoresearch.com/about-us/ Follow Jim on (X)Twitter: @biancoresearch Learn more about Jack at: https://blockworks.co/speaker/jack-farley Follow Jack on (X)Twitter: @JackFarley96

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