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Matt Johnson & Prince Ghuman on Mid-Liminal Marketing and the Ethics of Applied Neuroscience Oct 18, 2020

Show notes

Matt Johnson, PhD and Prince Ghuman are the authors of “Blindsight: the mostly hidden ways marketing shapes our brains.” We caught up with them to discuss the book, basketball, ethics, and old school hip hop.

Matt is a professor at Hult International Business School and he likes to explore the intersections of neuroscience, psychology, and consumerism in his graduate and undergraduate classes.

Prince is also at Hult International Business School where he teaches marketing. He is also the founder of PopNeuro, a firm that helps companies to ethically apply neuroscience to their marketing strategies.

In our conversation, Matt and Prince introduced us to a new term in neuromarketing they call mid liminal. Not subliminal, but mid liminal. We also talked about the natural partnership between neuroscience and marketing and we covered one of our favorite linguistic games – the Kiki and Bouba studies.

Most importantly, we discussed their views on the ethical application of neuromarketing.

We also want to note that Prince and Matt are hosting the World’s First Neuromarketing Certification Bootcamp. It will be held live on December 4th through the 6th of 2020. They will be condensing years of neuroscience and marketing insights into a three-day Bootcamp with the intent of outfitting professionals with the latest tools in neuromarketing. Best yet for those looking to build credibility at work: successfully completing the Bootcamp earns you a certification.

They also shared a link to the Bootcamp along with a special code (GROOVES) to save $500 off of the registration fee. Use the link in the notes below and type in GROOVES to receive your discount. Of course, this fantastic discount code is ONLY available to listeners of Behavioral Grooves. We encourage you to check it out as we think these guys have a lot to share.

Thanks for listening and we hope you go out and find your groove this week.

Links

Matt Johnson: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattjohnsonisme/

Prince Ghuman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/princeghuman/

“Blindsight”: getbook.at/blindsight

Neuromarketing Certification Course: https://www.popneuro.com/neuromarketing-bootcamp

Special Discount Code: GROOVES

Master Classes: https://www.popneuro.com

Nick Van Exel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Van_Exel

Steph Curry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Curry

Klay Thompson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klay_Thompson

Wine Shop Study: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/232593421_The_Influence_of_In-Store_Music_on_Wine_Selections

Kiki and Bouba Effect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouba/kiki_effect

Phillip Kotler: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Kotler

OCEAN/BIG 5: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits

Cass Sunstein on Ethics: http://www.law.harvard.edu/programs/olin_center/papers/pdf/Sunstein_809.pdf

Charlotte Blank on Don’t Be Creepy episode 9: https://behavioralgrooves.com/episode/dont-be-creepy-data-transparency-with-charlotte-blank/

Porsche: https://www.porsche.com/usa/

Breitling: https://www.breitling.com/us-en/

Purple: https://purple.com/

Serta: https://www.serta.com/

IKEA: https://www.ikea.com/us/en/

Sleep Number Bed: https://www.sleepnumber.com/

Onomatopoeia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBQCgjo1QTU

Kurt Nelson, PhD: kurt@lanterngroup.com

Tim Houlihan: tim@behavioralchemy.com

Musical Links

“Old Town Road” remix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ysFgElQtjI

Grandmaster Flash: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PobrSpMwKk4

Busy Bee Starski: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busy_Bee_Starski

Tribe Called Quest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Tribe_Called_Quest

Van Morrison: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Morrison

The Beatles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYvkICbTZIQ

Al Green “Let’s Stay Together”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSu6tcbMOu0

Beatnick Music: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatnik

Flora Cash: https://www.floracash.com/

Sea Wolf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF3sOmW6jCA

Iron & Wine: http://ironandwine.com/

Angus & Julia Stone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY7MqreuccI

Ministry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fx_IkuTRp0

Debussy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ip64cG7gK4

Hank Williams: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yCQraOX4Bw

The Romantics “What I Like About You”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqnw5IfbZOU

Annie Duke on How to Decide Oct 11, 2020

Show notes

Annie Duke first guested on Behavioral Grooves on Episode 31, which was released on September 30, 2018. For some reason, the three of us hit it off and we’ve had the pleasure of each other’s company for several more episodes (more than any other guest). She even asked Kurt and Tim to provide some feedback on an early draft of her latest book.

With that background, Kurt and Tim sat down with Annie to talk about the new book (hitting the store shelves on October 13, 2020), the key themes in it, and the decision tools a reader can put to use in their own life. We love it and we hope you get a copy of “How To Decide: Simple Tools for Making Better Choices.”

“How To Decide” is really the first of its kind as a book that offers decision tools that the reader can try out through Annie’s guided narrative and exercises. Better decision making can lead to all sorts of improvements in your life, including more happiness, and our guest is all about people living happier lives.

As much as we love books describing the neuroscience behind decision making and the behavioral consequences of the biases and heuristics that impact our decisions, we find “How To Decide” to be a fantastic journey into the practical world of the tools to help you make better decisions.

To emphasize these principles, Annie talked about the Archer’s Mindset, Free Rolls, and how negative thinking can be a boon to your goal setting and goal achievement. Of course, there’s a mention of Jack White, her musical hero, and lots of pop references from the mind of a certifiable news junkie (at least these days).

We hope you enjoy our conversation with Annie, and we ask that you take a moment to subscribe to our Patreon page. For the price of one coffee per month, you can advance our mission to bring insights from thought leaders, researchers and practitioners to those who are curious about behavioral science.

We hope you go out and find your groove this week with the help of Annie’s decision-making tools.

[Photo of Annie by Jessica Evelynka]

Links

Annie Duke: https://www.annieduke.com/

“How to Decide: Simple Tools for Making Better Choices”: https://amzn.to/3FraukT

Alliance for Decision Making: https://www.alliancefordecisioneducation.org/

False Dichotomy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

Robert Cialdini, PhD: https://www.robertcialdinibf.com/

Michael Phelps on the Worst Case Scenario: https://www.inc.com/wanda-thibodeaux/michael-phelps-uses-this-mental-trick-to-prepare-for-any-difficult-situation.html

Cass Sunstein & Annie Duke on Free Rolling: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3658663

Common Biases & Heuristics: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XHpBr0VFcaT8wIUpr-9zMIb79dFMgOVFRxIZRybiftI/edit

Perry Mason (2020 TV series): https://www.hbo.com/perry-mason

Elizabeth Schoenfelt, PhD study: http://www.wku.edu/Dept/Support/AcadAffairs/Spring03/Game.pdf

Lantern Group: www.lanterngroup.com

BehaviorAlchemy: www.behavioralchemy.com

Patreon Site: www.patreon.com/behavioralgrooves

Musical Links

Drake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_(musician)

Jack White: https://www.today.com/popculture/saturday-night-live-jack-white-honor-eddie-van-halen-snl-t193951

The Beatles: https://www.thebeatles.com/

Andy Luttrell: Pro’s and Con’s of Persuasion When Issues are Moralized Oct 05, 2020

Show notes

Andy Luttrell, PhD is an assistant professor of psychological science at Ball State University and the podcaster/host of Opinion Science, one of Kurt and Tim’s favorites.

Andy’s research centers on people’s opinions, including when and how attitudes change. More importantly, Andy is curious about what happens when people moralize their attitudes and how moral arguments can sometimes be compelling and sometimes backfire. Our conversation focused on these areas and we loved the research Andy presented.

We were particularly interested in hearing about how people who based their positions on careful analysis tend to be the ones who open enough to be persuaded with the right argument.

So our willingness to be open to a fresh idea is in part based on how strong or weak the arguments were in coming to our own conclusions. We found the research fascinating that indicates that people with weak arguments are harder to persuade to new ideas. That was a head-scratcher.

Our discussion also covered some thoughtful positions on the so-called Replication Crisis and Andy’s first-hand experience with replication – and non-replication – was insightful.

We also want to remind you that Andy’s podcast, Opinion Science, is one of our favorite podcasts – period. We highly recommend it.

Links

Andy Luttrell, PhD: http://www.andyluttrell.com/

Opinion Science Podcast: http://opinionsciencepodcast.com/episodes/

Richard Petty, PhD: https://psychology.osu.edu/people/petty.1

Arie W. Kruglanski, PhD: Need for Closure: https://psyc.umd.edu/facultyprofile/kruglanski/arie

PSA (Public Service Announcement): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_service_announcement

Matt Feinberg and Rob Willer on Moral Reframing: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337861541_Moral_reframing_A_technique_for_effective_and_persuasive_communication_across_political_divides

Moral Foundations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_foundations_theory

Registered Report Experiments: https://www.cos.io/initiatives/registered-reports

RadioLab: https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab

99% Invisible: https://99percentinvisible.org/

Petty, DeMarree, Brinol, Xia, “Documenting individual differences in the propensity to hold attitudes with certainty”: https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2020-45471-001

Musical Links

Weird Al Yankovic: https://www.weirdal.com/

Blue Man Group: https://www.blueman.com/

“Robots” Movie Sound Track: https://music.apple.com/us/album/robots-the-original-motion-picture-soundtrack/723430411

Secrets to a Successful Marriage with Eli Finkel Sep 27, 2020

Show notes

Eli Finkel, PhD is a social psychology professor who studies interpersonal attraction, marriage, and how our social relationships influence our goal achievement. He is the author of the bestselling book The All-Or-Nothing Marriage: How the Best Marriages Work and is a professor at Northwestern University, where he has appointments in the psychology department and the Kellogg School of Management. In his role as director of Northwestern’s Relationships and Motivation Lab (RAMLAB), he has published over150 scientific papers and is a contributor to the Op-Ed page of The New York Times.

Eli got our attention because his book points to some very important tips about how to make the best of a relationship during a global pandemic. We thought it would be good to check in with him. He also shared a historical perspective on marriage that is instrumental in understanding how marriage got to where it is today and why marriage is so much more complicated, for some people, than it has ever been.

Thanks for listening. If you enjoy what you hear there are three things that you can choose to do: first, leave a quick 5-star rating, second, write a brief review, and lastly, you could subscribe on our Patreon site at www.patreon.com/behavioralgrooves. Thanks for your help and keep on grooving.

Links

Eli Finkel, PhD: https://elifinkel.com/about-eli

“The All or Nothing Marriage”: https://elifinkel.com/allornothingmarriage/

Romeo & Juliet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romeo_and_Juliet

Tristan & Isolde: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tristan_and_Iseult

Anna Karenina: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Karenina

The Scarlet Letter: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scarlet_Letter

“Wild”: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2305051/

“Eat Pray Love”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eat_Pray_Love

Netscape Navigator: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape_Navigator

eHarmony: https://www.eharmony.com/

Nate Silver “The Signal and The Noise”: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13588394-the-signal-and-the-noise

John Gottman, PhD: https://www.gottman.com/

Brad Shuck, PhD: https://louisville.edu/education/faculty/shuck

Indian Matchmaking: https://www.netflix.com/title/80244565

Musical Links

Nirvana “Nevermind”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIGl_qth81c

Pearl Jam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM0zINtulhM

Alice In Chains: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWK0kqjPSVI

Red Hot Chili Peppers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlUKcNNmywk

Screaming Trees: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE5f561Y1x4

Poison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCChxBSRo1Y

Grooving: Colleges and the Coronavirus Sep 23, 2020

Show notes

[NOTE: You may or may not know that Kurt and Tim host a sibling podcast called Weekly Grooves. We thought this was such an important topic that we wanted to share it with the Behavioral Grooves community.]

We got a call recently from Eugen Dimant, a friend of ours who is an associate professor in behavioral and decision sciences at the University of Pennsylvania, about how the University of Michigan was trying to let students know that they should only gather in groups of 25 of less.

Eugen suggested we tee it up as a topical issue for Weekly Grooves and we readily agreed. It led to a discussion about what colleges are doing to regulate student activites to contain the coronavirus, the punishments involved in breaking those regulations, the environment in which students make deicisons on how to behave, and the importance of proper communication.

Also, in this episode we include some of the conversation we had with Eugen, which is a departure from our standard approach and we hope you enjoy it. Eugen’s insights from a sociological perspective make for important reminders in an age when when the words we choose to communicate impacts whether get sick or not people.

As always, please let us know what you think and share it with a friend or colleague.

Links

Eugen Dimant, PhD: https://www.lps.upenn.edu/degree-programs/mbds/faculty/eugen-dimant

University of Michigan Tweet: https://twitter.com/UMich/status/1299069416202739712

University of Alabama outbreaks: https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/29/us/university-of-alabama-covid-19-cases-trnd/index.html

How to Talk to Your Friends About Their Conspiracy Theories with Eric Oliver Sep 20, 2020

Show notes

Eric Oliver, PhD is a Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago. Although the majority of his work is squarely in the realm of how we view our political systems and make political decisions, some of his work echoes moral psychology and sociology, and we find it fascinating. And, frankly, some of it is just downright fun to talk about.

Eric’s observations come from more than 20 years of research, dozens of peer-reviewed papers, and he is the author of 5 books on political science. We specifically talked about how liberals and conservatives name their children, the rise of intuitionism, having dinner with a sports star rather than a rock star, and of course, he spoke in-depth about conspiracy theories.

Most importantly, he walked us through some key aspects of how to have a conversation with someone who is on the opposite side of the conspiracy-theory belief system and, interestingly enough, it begins with empathy. Listen to the entire episode to hear all his insights and research anecdotes. They’ll put a smile on your face as well as fresh ideas into your brain!

We have been fans of his work for some time and are grateful that Eric shared his insights with us. We think you’ll become a fan, too, if you’re not already one.

Links

Eric Oliver, PhD: https://political-science.uchicago.edu/directory/eric-oliver

Jonathan Haidt, PhD: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Haidt

James Frazer, “The Golden Bough”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Bough

Katherine Surma on Credulity: https://www.jericoliver.com/uploads/1/1/8/9/118973414/surmaoliver3.5.18-final.pdf

Laurie Santos, PhD: The Joe Effect: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GimHHAID_P0

Steve Kerr: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Kerr

Colin Kaepernick: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Kaepernick

Charles Manson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Manson

Musical Links

LCD Sound System: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqq3BtGrpU8

Kurt Weil: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Weill

Phillip Glass: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M73x3O7dhmg

Keith Richards and Chuck Berry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERVLy-ltjHs

Self Control, Belonging, and Why Your Most Dedicated Employees Are the Ones To Watch Out For with Roy Baumeister Sep 12, 2020

Show notes

Roy Baumeister, PhD is a world-renowned researcher known for his work on the subjects of willpower, self-control, and self-esteem and how they relate to human morality and success. Most recently, he is the author of The Power of Bad, with John Tierney, which explores how powerful bad experiences can be and how life is better when we seek out the good. We discussed a bit of the new book as well as some of his highly researched topics.

Roy’s peer-reviewed papers have been cited more than 200,000 times and he’s published more than 30 books. As one might imagine, our conversation was packed with insights into how we feel, think and act based on the complex ways we view and experience the world. We felt like we were starting a master class when we hit the record button and we love sharing this conversation with you.

Suffice it to say, we thoroughly enjoyed our conversation with this pioneer and we hope you do too.

Links

Roy Baumeister, PhD: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Baumeister

George Loewenstein, PhD: https://www.cmu.edu/dietrich/sds/people/faculty/george-loewenstein.html

“The Power of Bad”: https://roybaumeister.com/books/

Dan Gilbert, PhD: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Gilbert_(psychologist)

John Gottman, PhD: https://www.gottman.com/author/john-gottman-ph-d/

Suzanne Segerstrom, PhD: https://psychology.as.uky.edu/users/scsege0

Mark Maraven, PhD: https://www.albany.edu/psychology/faculty/mark-muraven

John Cacioppo, PhD: https://news.uchicago.edu/story/john-t-cacioppo-pioneer-and-founder-field-social-neuroscience-1951-2018

Musical Links

YoYo Ma: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1prweT95Mo0

Louis Armstrong: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmfeKUNDDYs

John Coletrane: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsBbM5PIAHk

Miles Davis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqNTltOGh5c

Cannonball Adderley: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN1SwOdbdBU

Big Bands: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGq-eCoPSwA

Bix Beiderbeck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oW7YYt0F-K4

John McLaughlin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHbLq694PoU

Stan Getz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqQWVrfjatA

Snarky Puppy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kk0WRHV_vt8

Ministry: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXCh9OhDiCI

Seven Questions to Assess the Psychological Safety of Your Teams with Susan Hunt Stevens Sep 06, 2020

Show notes

Susan Hunt Stevens is the Founder and CEO of WeSpire, a technology platform that helps achieve the company’s goals through better employee engagement. WeSpire delivers applications at scale including sustainability, diversity and inclusion; moreover, they enable employees to be recognized for shaping a welcoming community both inside and outside the firm.

We talked to Susan about her observations on the value of building diverse teams, the creation of the psychologically safe workplace, and most importantly, the ethical application of behavioral science. She shared seven simple questions, created by Amy Edmonson, PhD at Harvard, to identify the levels of psychological safety within her client organizations. We encourage you to consider them for yourself.

If you make a mistake on this team, it is often held against you.
Members of this team are able to bring up problems and tough issues.
People on this team sometimes reject others for being different.
It is safe to take a risk on this team.
It is difficult to ask other members of this team for help.
No one on this team would deliberately act in a way that undermines my efforts.
Working with members of this team, my unique skills and talents are valued and utilized.

Susan’s insightful comments mix a passion for the application of good research and a desire to help build productive, profitable organizations that treat their people with respect.

We also want to give a special shout to Emily Wagner for turning us on to Susan’s work. Thank you, Emily!

Links

Susan Hunt Stevens: https://www.linkedin.com/in/huntstevens/

WeSpire: https://www.wespire.com/

Amy Edmondson, PhD: https://www.hbs.edu/faculty/Pages/profile.aspx?facId=6451

Nir Eyal “Hooked”: https://www.nirandfar.com/hooked/

How to Measure Psychological Safety on Your Team: https://www.business2community.com/strategy/measure-psychological-safety-team-01730787

“I Hired a Wife” article: https://medium.com/@chrismorgan_1657/i-hired-a-wife-and-my-career-took-off-16dc8ae481fe

Cass Sunstein Ethics Guide: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2526341

Susan Cain “Quiet”: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8520610-quiet

Google’s Project Aristotle: https://www.inc.com/michael-schneider/google-thought-they-knew-how-to-create-the-perfect.html

Musical Links

Irish Step Dancing from Riverdance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B718RsboGEI

Drop Kick Murphys: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-64CaD8GXw

Abba “Dancing Queen”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFrGuyw1V8s

Eugen Dimant, PhD: What To Do About Bad Apples Aug 30, 2020

Show notes

[NOTE: Republished in its entirety from original episode #104 on December 15, 2019.]

Eugen Dimant, PhD is a Postdoctoral Researcher in the Master of Behavioral and Decision Sciences Department and a Senior Research Fellow at the Identity and Conflict Lab, Political Science Department – both at the University of Pennsylvania.

His research is rooted in economics and sits at the crossroads of experimental behavioral economics, behavioral ethics, crime, and corruption, with much of his recent work focusing on the ways “bad apples” (people will malintent) can be thwarted. This is also manifest in his research on behavioral contagion of pro- and anti-social behavior among individuals and groups. Because we met up with him presenting a paper at NoBeC, a social norms conference, we also discussed the role of social norms in pro- and anti-social behaviors.

We are inspired by Eugen’s work with social nudges and what can be done to minimize the impact of people who are out to corrupt systems and communities. And, we had a great time talking with this incredibly passionate researcher about his wide variety of interests.

We are grateful to Eugen for reaching out to us as we were planning our 100th Episode celebration in Philadelphia. He invited us to the University of Pennsylvania’s NoBeC Conference – the Norms and Behavioral Change Conference – that was happening the same days that we were recording our 100th Episode. Eugen, along with his colleague Chris Nave, PhD, helped us arrange conversations with many researchers and speakers at the conference and we are forever grateful.

Finally, we invite you to keep listening after our discussion with Eugen to hear Kurt and Tim’s Grooving Session and then the Bonus Track where we recap the key insights from the episode.

LINKS:

Eugen Dimant, PhD: https://www.sas.upenn.edu/lps/graduate/mbds/faculty/eugen-dimant

NoBeC (Norms and Behavior Change Conference): https://web.sas.upenn.edu/nobec/

Cristina Bicchieri, PhD: https://upenn.academia.edu/CristinaBicchieri

Gary Bolton, PhD: https://personal.utdallas.edu/~gxb122130/

Nudge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nudge_theory

Social Norms: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/social-norms/

Injunctive and Descriptive Norms: https://study.com/academy/lesson/injunctive-and-descriptive-group-norms-definitions-differences-examples.html

Pluralistic Ignorance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralistic_ignorance

Peer Effects: https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences/applied-and-social-sciences-magazines/peer-effects

Coleman’s Boat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGaz0xKG060

Chris Nave, PhD: https://www.sas.upenn.edu/lps/graduate/mbds/contact/christopher-nave

Bobo Doll Effect: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobo_doll_experiment

Robert Cialdini, PhD: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Cialdini

Kiki and Bouba: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouba/kiki_effect

Pollstar: https://www.pollstar.com/

Musical Links

Drake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_(musician)

Bushido: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushido_(rapper)

U2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U2

Ed Sheeran: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Sheeran

Eagles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagles_(band)

Rolling Stones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rolling_Stones

Fleetwood Mac: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleetwood_Mac

Working through the Stages of Grief, Pandemics and the Psychology of Protests with Nicole Fisher Aug 23, 2020

Show notes

Nicole Fisher, DrPH is the president of Health and Human Rights Strategies and is a regular contributor to Forbes magazine on social justice issues. Her piece in Forbes about “The Psychology of Protests” is an excellent analysis of why people take to the streets.

Nicole earned a Master’s in Public Health from the University of Chicago, then her Doctorate of Public Health from Chapel Hill, and she was also an Economics Fellow at George Mason University. We felt we could go wide and deep on our conversation with her and that’s exactly what happened.

In our discussion, we talked about the need for grace and understanding, a concept called peer permission, the psychology of protests (from a piece that was written prior to George Floyd’s murder and the global outpouring of peaceful dissent throughout the world), and how the heart of the matter with a pandemic is public health.

In the Grooving Session, Kurt and Tim also discussed the Peace Prayer of St. Francis and recommended, in the Bonus Track, to consider sidling up to someone you don’t see eye to eye with and learn about how and why they feel the way they do. You just might learn something!

We hope you enjoy this episode and we encourage you to take a moment to give us a review as ratings go a long way in introducing us to new listeners.

Links

Nicole Fisher, DrPH: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Fisher

Nicole-related links:

Health & Human Rights Strategies: https://www.hhrstrategies.com

Dr. Nicole Fisher Forbes Column: https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicolefisher/

YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYU0m9Esz1rFzx6pqvP0OIA

Twitter: https://twitter.com/nic_fisher

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nicfisher/?hl=en

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/nicole.f.fisher

Groups and things we chatted about (that I remember...):

NOCOVID: https://nocovid.us