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    ROLLUP: War Returns, Markets Shrug | Saylor Sells | Robinhood Memecoins | Ethereum 3.0? Jul 10, 2026
    Show notes

    War with Iran is back, but markets barely blinked. Ryan and David unpack Saylor’s $216 million Bitcoin sale, whether it marked the bottom, Robinhood Chain’s memecoin breakout, and Vitalik’s “Ethereum 3.0” roadmap.

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    TIMESTAMPS


    0:00 Intro


    3:12 Iran War Returns, Markets Shrug & Saylor Sells 3,588 BTC — Was That the Bottom?

    https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/2074781504757027087

    https://x.com/saylor/status/2074101854875656316

    https://www.bankless.com/read/how-strategy-can-sell-billions-in-bitcoin

    https://x.com/rob_e89rtosmit/status/2074484772622172307


    20:17 Robinhood Chain’s First Hit: Memecoins

    https://x.com/vladtenev/status/2074695821896065360

    https://x.com/haydenzadams/status/2075062776473546979

    https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2026/07/09/cashcat-trader-turns-usd800-into-over-usd1-million-on-robinhood-s-brand-new-blockchain

    https://dune.com/entropy_advisors/robinhood-chain-network-overview


    28:17 Ethereum 3.0? Vitalik’s New Strawmap

    https://x.com/VitalikButerin/status/2073459000398463446

    https://strawmap.org

    https://x.com/r2Jamong/status/2074053557284982925

    https://x.com/barnabemonnot/status/2073708226701328474

    https://x.com/dankrad/status/2073532475431887354

    https://x.com/DefiIgnas/status/2073480431887056958


    45:46 JPMorgan’s $700M Ethereum Fund & Paradigm Fundraise

    https://cryptobriefing.com/jpmorgan-jltxx-tokenized-money-market-fund-surges-250-percent/

    https://x.com/TradingProtocol/status/2074383012939141407

    https://x.com/matthuang/status/2074873573983035801


    53:13 The Fight for 24/7 Markets & David’s Portfolio Check-In

    https://x.com/jchervinsky/status/2075230297134645744

    https://x.com/econoar/status/2075056773724062031

    https://x.com/rambo_xbt/status/2075192964259672434

    https://x.com/TrustlessState/status/2062122936790581520


    1:04:00 Closing & Disclaimers


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    How Hyperliquid Becomes the Backend for ALL of Finance | Tushar Jain Jul 07, 2026
    Show notes

    Multicoin provides investment advice to certain private fund clients that own HYPE tokens discussed herein and stands to gain in the event that the price of the token increases.
    Multicoin's HYPE valuation report discussed in this podcast can be found as a link in the show notes.
    Any trading discussion is for informational purposes only and is not a recommendation to engage in derivatives, leverage, or any specific trading strategy.
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    Hyperliquid is already one of crypto’s biggest perp stories, but Multicoin’s Tushar Jain thinks the market may still be looking at it too narrowly. In this episode, David sits down with Tushar to unpack the deeper thesis: portfolio margining as the hidden unlock, HIP3 and builder codes as the path to platformization, real traction versus farmed volume, and why HYPE’s value-capture model is unusually direct for crypto.
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    TIMESTAMPS
    0:00 Intro
    1:50 Perps Get TradFi’s Attention
    3:17 More Than a Perp DEX
    6:29 Why Portfolio Margining Matters
    11:13 HIP3 and Permissionless Market Creation
    13:47 Hyperliquid Becomes a Platform
    19:54 The On-Ramp Question
    21:36 Perps Are Not the Whole Thesis
    28:04 Cash Flow as the Credibility Signal
    33:05 Valuation Multiples and Lighter
    34:36 Multicoin’s HYPE Framework
    42:05 Token Value Capture
    43:34 Unlocks, Wealth, and Team Motivation
    48:30 The US Perps Question
    52:27 Does Hyperliquid Need to Come Onshore?
    54:32 The Final Bull Case
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    RESOURCES
    Tushar Jain
    https://x.com/tushar_jain
    Multicoin's Hype Analysis and Valuation report can be found here:
    https://multicoin.capital/2026/06/25/hyperliquid-hype-analysis-and-valuation/
    The report includes important disclosures concerning the data and assumptions by Multicoin discussed today.
    Multicoin may have interests in companies mentioned during the episode.
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    The Rise of Robinhood Chain: Tokenized Stocks, Perps, and 27M Users | Johann Kerbrat Jul 06, 2026
    Show notes

    Robinhood Chain is live, and it may be one of the clearest signs yet that traditional finance is moving onto Ethereum rails. Johann Kerbrat, VP of Crypto at Robinhood, joins David to unpack the launch of tokenized stocks, USDG yield through Morpho, regulated and crypto-native perps, the Lighter integration, and why Robinhood Wallet is being built for the billions of people who have never used crypto before.
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    TIMESTAMPS
    0:00 Intro
    1:45 Robinhood Chain Goes Live
    2:45 Robinhood’s 15-Product Crypto Push
    5:47 Tokenized Stocks on Robinhood Chain
    11:32 USDG Yield and Robinhood Earn
    16:19 Perps Across Robinhood, Bitstamp, and Lighter
    19:44 The Lighter Partnership
    23:12 Will Robinhood and DeFi Converge?
    27:15 Why Robinhood Chose Arbitrum
    28:40 Building Crypto for Non-Crypto Users
    31:36 How to Get Started on Robinhood Chain
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    RESOURCES
    Johann Kerbrat
    https://x.com/JohannKerbrat
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    ROLLUP: Crypto Bullish Again? | OpenUSD vs USDC | Robinhood Chain | Trump’s $1.4B Haul Jul 03, 2026
    Show notes

    Crypto looks bullish again, but the receipts are complicated. David and Ryan unpack OpenUSD’s USDC threat, Robinhood Chain’s tokenized stocks, Saylor’s hedge-fund pivot, Venice’s token dilemma, Cloudflare’s stablecoin payments, and Trump’s $1.4B crypto haul.

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    TIMESTAMPS & RESOURCES


    0:00 Intro


    2:37 Market Bounce + Fed Watch

    https://x.com/KillaXBT/status/2072288076928266434

    https://www.cnbc.com/2026/07/01/kevin-warsh-ecb-forum-live-updates.html

    https://polymarket.com/event/fed-decision-in-july-181

    https://thedefireport.io/research/52-of-the-btc-supply-is-now-in-the-red

    https://x.com/Geiger_Capital/status/2072660106035028395


    8:37 Strategy’s Digital Credit Capital Framework

    https://x.com/saylor/status/2071565162377568377

    https://x.com/Strategy/status/2071565225699004761


    16:37 The Rise of Robinhood Chain

    https://x.com/RobinhoodApp/status/2072390893181481419

    https://x.com/charliekerr/status/2072477658802217187

    https://x.com/EntropyAdvisors/thread/2072395320752050212

    https://x.com/trent_vanepps/status/2072405895313588351

    https://x.com/Lighter_xyz/status/2072394977729040722

    https://x.com/Lighter_xyz/status/2072401925094441109


    26:10 Venice AI Becomes a Unicorn

    https://techcrunch.com/2026/07/01/venice-ai-becomes-a-unicorn-with-65m-series-a-as-its-privacy-first-ai-platform-takes-off/

    https://x.com/ErikVoorhees/status/2072326370206581037

    https://x.com/ErikVoorhees/status/2072336126912630921

    https://x.com/MikeIppolito_/status/2072353260795572281

    https://x.com/ChainLinkGod/status/2072378849921577306

    https://x.com/CosimoCapital/status/2072450958270050394


    35:07 OpenUSD vs USDC

    https://joinopenstandard.com/blog/introducing-open-usd/

    https://x.com/stripe/status/2071948464762618051

    https://x.com/jerallaire/status/2072252803163255179

    https://x.com/lorenzoark/status/2071997238713127404

    https://x.com/HadickM/thread/2072286093744234864

    https://x.com/koeppelmann/status/2071961529671418065

    https://x.com/paoloardoino/status/2071982330915225771


    46:10 Ethereum Institutional Launches

    https://x.com/ethereuminsti/status/2072304960142729373

    https://www.ethereuminstitutional.org/

    https://x.com/fundstrat/status/2072318453248094708

    https://x.com/Sharplink/status/2072307000298397834

    https://x.com/ethlabs_org/status/2072326438594748921


    49:03 Trump’s $1.4B Crypto Disclosure

    https://x.com/aggrnews/status/2072059335081967812

    https://x.com/AC360/status/2072128334666879070

    https://x.com/business/status/2072069350060617837


    54:28 Solana Memecoin Revival

    https://x.com/TrustlessState/status/2072653822283874481

    https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/the-black-bull

    https://x.com/Adam_Tehc/status/2072183263893065930

    https://polymarket.com/event/what-price-will-ansem-hit-in-2026


    59:20 Cloudflare x402 Stablecoin Payments

    https://blog.cloudflare.com/monetization-gateway/

    https://youtu.be/TKVY4hVAd9g


    1:02:08 Meme of the Week

    https://x.com/pubity/status/2072436231284072635

    https://x.com/FoxNews/status/2072357302942752993

    https://x.com/RidazLp2/status/2072563280602927377/photo/4


    1:03:35 Closing & Disclosures


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    How Ondo Is Bringing Stocks and Perps Onchain | Ian De Bode Jul 02, 2026
    Show notes

    The stock market is starting to move onchain, and Ondo is one of the teams building the rails. Ian De Bode joins David to explain how Ondo brought tokenized SpaceX stock to Ethereum minutes after trading began, why tokenized equities need real market liquidity instead of shallow DEX pools, and how Ondo Perps could unlock a new generation of RWA trading by using tokenized stocks as collateral.

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    0:00 Ondo’s RWA Moment
    1:17 How SpaceX Stock Hit Ethereum in Minutes
    2:57 What Actually Backs a Tokenized Stock?
    4:49 The Onchain and Offchain Market Machine
    10:29 Where the Demand Comes From
    12:46 The Most Popular Tokenized Stocks
    14:54 Why Perps Need Better Collateral
    20:46 New Strategies for Onchain Asset Management
    25:02 The Next 12 to 18 Months
    26:14 How Big Can Perps Get?
    28:46 Offshore Versus Onshore Perp Markets
    32:05 Inside Ondo Perps
    36:24 Why Not Build on Hyperliquid?
    37:49 Launch Timeline and Early Demand
    39:48 Will Wall Street Incumbents Compete or Help?
    43:52 Ondo’s 2026 Roadmap
    45:22 Remembering Nathan Allman
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    RESOURCES

    Ian De Bode
    https://x.com/iandebode

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    Strategy is Trapped & in Crisis — "It's Basically a Hedge Fund Now" | Jeff Dorman & Matt Walsh Jul 01, 2026
    Show notes

    Michael Saylor’s Strategy bought itself time, but did it actually solve the problem? David sits down with Jeff Dorman and Matt Walsh to unpack Strategy’s increasingly complex capital structure, why $STRC and MSTR are now fighting for oxygen, whether Saylor may need to sell Bitcoin, and why the company is starting to look less like a levered BTC play and more like an actively managed hedge fund.

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    TIMESTAMPS


    0:00 Intro

    2:30 Can Stretch Return to 100?

    4:00 Explaining the New Framework

    4:43 Can the Capital Stack Coexist?

    6:39 Refunding the Converts

    8:32 MNAV Near the Breaking Point

    11:15 Option Value or Investor Betrayal

    15:37 Legal Risk and Retail Exposure

    19:52 Buying Time, Not Solving It

    22:20 Scenario Odds After the Pivot

    24:54 Sell Bitcoin or Wait

    28:59 M&A as a New Path

    34:13 Temporary Relief, Future Crash

    36:21 Slow Bleed, Not Bankruptcy

    40:58 Bitcoin Needs a Bigger Narrative

    46:56 Would Jeff Buy Stretch?

    48:26 Is the Model Actually Genius?

    52:09 Closing & Disclaimers


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    RESOURCES


    Matt Walsh

    https://x.com/MattWalshInBos


    Jeff Dorman

    https://x.com/jdorman81


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    https://www.bankless.com/disclosures


    Ethlabs: The New Org to Make Ethereum Win | Ansgar & Caspar Jun 29, 2026
    Show notes

    Ethereum has a new R&D lab, and its mission is blunt: make Ethereum and ETH win. In this episode, David sits down with Ansgar and Caspar, two co-founders of Ethlabs, to unpack why the organization exists, how it complements the Ethereum Foundation, and what it means to put Ethereum back on offense.
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    0:00 What is Ethlabs?
    2:35 The EF Narrows Its Mission
    9:30 Putting Points on the Board
    13:06 Principles Need Users
    14:53 ETH the Asset and Ethereum the Network
    17:33 Scaling, Interop, and Growth Workstreams
    22:52 The Talent Behind Ethlabs
    25:27 What a New Organization Unlocks
    27:53 Pro Markets, Pro Growth, Pro ETH
    30:51 The Trillion Dollar ETH Question
    37:07 Who Steers Ethereum?
    39:55 Shared Vision, Different Path
    45:13 Funding Ethlabs
    51:54 Hiring for Ethlabs
    54:24 Ethereum’s Long Arc
    58:14 What Comes First
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    RESOURCES

    Ansgar Dietrichs
    https://x.com/adietrichs

    Caspar Schwarz-Schilling
    https://x.com/casparschwa

    Ethlabs
    https://ethlabs.org/

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    ROLLUP: Bitcoin Breaks Below $60K | Saylor’s Three Bad Options | ETH Labs | The Quantum Clock Jun 26, 2026
    Show notes

    Markets are bleeding as Bitcoin breaks below $60K and Strategy faces its biggest test yet. Ryan and David unpack Saylor’s three-way squeeze, ETH Labs vs. the EF reset, quantum timelines moving up, and Illinois’ new crypto tax.


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    TIMESTAMPS

    0:00 Intro

    3:35 Bitcoin Below $60K and Strategy’s 3 Body Problem
    https://www.tradingview.com/chart/KZYJV3ef/
    https://www.strategy.com/
    https://x.com/saylor/status/2069028571880845340
    https://x.com/saylor/status/2069682624956612731
    https://x.com/Pentosh1/status/2069797143917855024
    https://x.com/jdorman81/status/2067616073479078386
    https://x.com/jdorman81/status/2069857950202835258
    https://x.com/ki_young_ju/status/2069646523668033833
    https://x.com/PeterSchiff/status/2070146847692185798
    https://polymarket.com/event/what-price-will-bitcoin-hit-before-2027

    17:59 ETH, Stocks, South Korea Selloff, and the AI Trade

    20:59 Why Crypto Is Down: AI Attention, Debasement Pause, and the 4-Year Cycle

    27:06 Mover of the Week: $CARDS and Pokemon Cards as RWAs
    https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/collector-crypt

    31:32 Ethereum’s Center of Gravity Shifts: EF Cuts and ETH Labs
    https://x.com/VitalikButerin/status/2069431500035023121
    https://blog.ethereum.org/2026/06/23/ef-structure
    https://x.com/aerugoettinea/status/2069017140846330107
    https://x.com/tkstanczak/status/2069454499509596582
    https://x.com/bobbyong/status/2069965817882755342
    https://x.com/ethlabs_org/status/2069104073245159573
    https://ethlabs.org/thesis.html
    https://x.com/TrustlessState/status/2069110440903196810
    https://x.com/trent_vanepps/status/2067593124398989551

    51:50 White House Quantum EO: Are Crypto Timelines Moving Up?
    https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/2069154174818754759
    https://x.com/projecteleven/status/2069151681015627881
    https://x.com/drakefjustin/status/2061793725299224676

    57:25 Illinois Passes a 0.2% Crypto Transaction Tax
    https://x.com/0xBeaconLayer/status/2069120528238121154
    https://x.com/manwithadogg/status/2069158605664756205
    https://x.com/DarrenBaileyIL/status/2070149517102469527

    59:50 Portfolio Check and Crypto Bottom Watch
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    AI, Surveillance, and the Fight for Digital Sovereignty | Near's Illia Polosukhin Jun 23, 2026
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    What happens when powerful AI requires an ID, governments can restrict access by country, and your most private data flows through centralized systems? NEAR co-founder Illia Polosukhin joins David to explain why AI export controls could fracture the internet, how nationalized AI could become a surveillance layer, and why decentralized, user-owned AI may be the only real alternative. They also unpack Ironclaw, confidential inference, private agents, and NEAR’s push to make AI and assets fully sovereign.

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    0:00 Intro

    3:47 Pandora’s Box Opens

    6:03 AI Meets Government

    7:16 Decentralizing the Stack

    8:51 Why Ban Fable?

    11:18 Internet Balkanization

    13:57 KYC for AI?

    18:43 Nationalized Models

    21:07 Building Private AI

    26:30 Agent Marketplace

    30:26 User-Owned Alignment

    35:28 Winning Against Giants

    40:19 Regulation Fuels Crypto

    42:24 Global AI Adoption

    45:05 Compute Is the Bottleneck

    49:00 Enterprise Use Cases

    51:39 Confidential TVL Explained

    55:25 Full Sovereign Mode


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    RESOURCES


    Illia Polosukhin

    https://x.com/ilblackdragon


    Near Protocol

    https://www.near.org/


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    "The Fed Can't Print Moore's Law" - How the AI Crash Sends Bitcoin to $1M | Arthur Hayes Jun 22, 2026
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    Arthur Hayes is back on Bankless, and he’s taking the W off the table. After selling HYPE, NEAR and ZEC, Arthur walks through why the AI trade started to look less asymmetric, why oil and geopolitics may still be the bear case no one wants to price, and why ETH may offer one of the cleaner setups in crypto today. Then the conversation turns bigger: AI capex, circular revenue, China’s cheap models, GPU depreciation, and the moment Arthur thinks the Fed discovers it can’t print Moore’s Law.
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    TIMESTAMPS

    0:00 Why Arthur Sold HYPE, NEAR and ZEC
    4:26 The AI Trade Starts to Look Crowded
    6:25 How Arthur Is Positioned Now
    7:15 Crypto’s Strange Market Dispersion
    11:09 Oil, Iran and the Fake-Out Risk
    14:16 Why the Iran Deal May Not Be Durable
    17:29 Can AI Survive Higher Oil?
    21:20 The AI Bubble Thesis
    26:11 China’s Cheap AI Threat
    30:38 The Credit Event Arthur Is Watching
    35:51 The 2028 Perfect Storm
    39:45 Why AI Is Draining Crypto’s Bull Market
    44:28 Arthur on Inventing Perps
    48:11 Why Perps Could Eat Wall Street
    51:18 Socialized Loss Explained
    53:21 Onshore vs Offshore Perps
    55:50 Why Hyperliquid Can Flip Binance
    56:30 The Perp Inventor Does Not Use Leverage
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    RESOURCES

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