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Episode 093: How To Be a Smart Mouth Jun 14, 2022

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How we communicate with other Church members can be as important as what we're trying to say. Women are at a disadvantage with less freedom and opportunity to speak truth to those in authority. Even when we do get the floor, sometimes things as innocuous as pitch, accent, and personal style determine whether we're listened to or dismissed. In this conversation, Cynthia and Susan explore ideas and experiences around LDS women speaking up in ways that will be heard.

Episode 092: In Their Image—A Conversation with Caitlin Connolly Jun 07, 2022

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In this conversation, artist Caitlin Connolly talks about her experience manifesting the unseen "in large scale and present" in her painting, In Their Image. It's a conversation about a divine mother we've been missing, and daring to bring her into existence for ourselves. "I have found that what I am trying to learn about womanhood…and the divine feminine…has come through women. And will continue to. If we are brave enough to get uncomfortable and do that work."

Episode 091: What Women Don't Get In Our Church May 31, 2022

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"If history shows that patriarchy is bad for women, and data shows that girls and women fare better when they can see themselves at every level of leadership in our churches, schools, and societies…why do LDS women and men continue to cling to old ideas that deny history and data?" On this episode, Cynthis poses this question and others in a discussion detailing the list of possible opportunities for service and representation from which women are excluded in our church.

Episode 090: What About Sad Heaven? May 24, 2022

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What do you envision when you think about a next life? Happiness? Answers? Judgment? Question marks? There are as many images of the afterlife as there are people to imagine it. But for some Latter-day Saints, the official picture painted at church doesn't feel entirely hopeful or comforting. To kick off Season 5, Cynthia and Susan unpack the idea of "sad heaven," an eternity spent with empty chairs where some of the people we love most should be.

Episode 089—BONUS: A Little More About Metaphor...and Stuff Apr 26, 2022

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In Episode 84, Kajsa Berlin-Kaufusi joined us for a conversation about how we approach scripture. How much is literal? How much is metaphor? This bonus episode contains additional insights from Kajsa focusing on a specific Old Testament story. It's an illustration of how considering the origin and larger context of a specific text can inform the ways we think about it now.

Episode 088: BONUS—In Response to GC: More Real Talk Around Motherhood Apr 12, 2022

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We received numerous requests for our thoughts around some of the messages delivered at General Conference. In this bonus episode, Cynthia and guest Sherry Macnab get real about their experiences raising LGBTQ kids. It's a vulnerable conversation about the perils of bringing up any kids in a church where they will almost certainly be exposed to some harmful messages.

Episode 087: Who's Stopping You? Mar 22, 2022

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Who's stopping you? From doing what you want to do, believing what you want to believe, praying how you want to pray, feeling how you want to feel about a thing, or making a choice you want to make…who's stopping you really? In this season finale episode, Cynthia and Susan revisit the theme of personal spiritual empowerment, share wisdom from listeners, and add a P.S. to their conversations from Season 4.

Episode 086: But What Do I Believe? Mar 15, 2022

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What do we believe? In 1842, Joseph Smith penned 13 answers to that question, explaining the basic doctrines and practices of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We all know his Articles of Faith. But there's a deeper question that sits at the center of each woman's faith life: What do I believe? Lyric Montgomery Kinard joins Cynthia and Susan for a discussion about personal vs. institutional articles of faith. Though they may change with our life experience, is there value in not just thoughtful consideration of our own beliefs, but actually writing the answers to that question down for ourselves?

Episode 085: Talking Across the Fence Mar 08, 2022

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Sometimes it can be hard to talk with other Latter-day Saints about church things on which we don't agree, even if we have an otherwise close relationship. Is it possible to understand a person whose experiences have been very different from our own? Jeralee Renshaw joins Cynthia and Susan to discuss practical approaches for handling tricky topics in ways that can create space for a diversity of ideas and experiences.

Episode 084: Do I Literally Have to Believe That? Mar 01, 2022

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Whether it's a scripture story or symbolism we encounter elsewhere, it can sometimes be difficult to separate the literal from the metaphorical at church, especially if our personal interpretation seems at odds with that of many other members. But what if we just can't 'believe' something the way it's being presented on the surface? Can we become comfortable setting aside narratives that no longer serve us to approach texts, language or ideas we can't make sense of literally in ways that help us draw personal meaning from them?

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