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Above the Law – Thinking Like a Lawyer

Thinking Like A Lawyer is a podcast featuring Above the Law’s Joe Patrice and Kathryn Rubino. Each episode, the hosts will take a topic experienced and enjoyed by regular people, and shine it through the prism of a legal framework. This will either reveal an awesome rainbow of thought, or a disorienting kaleidoscope of issues. Either way, it should be fun.

Latest Episodes:

Clients Need To Mind Their Own Business About Returning To The Office Jul 21, 2021

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Jones Day continues to be a black box -- let's break that open. Morgan Stanley is urging its outside counsel to get back to the office. To what extent do clients get to dictate how law firms run their business? And we talk about cruise lines suing Florida and a Catholic school suing Michigan claiming that making schoolchildren wear masks is sacrilegious, which seems like a stretch.

Special thanks to our sponsors, Lexicon and Nota.

The Greatest Legal Research Hack Jul 14, 2021

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What can you do if you don't have the law on your side? Have you considered telling the judge that legal research is an insult to you both? Because that's what one of the lawyers in the various Trump election suits tried. The judge didn't go for it. Meanwhile, the big man himself is searching for lawyers around Mar-a-Lago and this gets Joe wondering how regular folks find lawyers these days. Kathryn fills us in on a reality TV personality turned lawyer who has joined the Biden administration. And apparently everyone is still attacking Joe in other publications.

Special thanks to our sponsors, Lexicon and Nota.

Supremely Disappointing Jul 07, 2021

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The SCOTUS Term is over and so is any remotely text-based interpretation of the Voting Rights Act. Justice Alito pulled off a smooth rewriting of the statute with nary a peep from his textualist colleagues. It looks like this is going to be our future for a while. And it's a future that will apparently include Justice Breyer who appears to have locked in to staying on the Court, all common sense aside. Speaking of common sense, how much money might you sacrifice to have work from home flexibility? For most of you out there, it's a lot.

Special thanks to our sponsors, Lexicon and Nota.

So, You're Saying Billing To Non-Existent Matters Is Frowned Upon? Jun 30, 2021

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Joe and Kathryn welcome Chris Williams, the newest writer to the Above the Law staff, to discuss the latest Above the Law law school rankings. Chris's alma mater tied with Harvard this year and we discuss the ATL model and how it comes up with these numbers. We also discuss last week's biggest story: an associate who billed for over a year to a closed matter. Yikes.

Special thanks to our sponsors, Lexicon and Nota.

Supreme Court Treats NCAA Like Amateurs Jun 23, 2021

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The NCAA's amateurism model got obliterated 9-0 by the Supreme Court, with a concurrence inviting more lawsuits to tear the whole thing down. Meanwhile raises continue throughout the legal world and we grapple with whether or not we're contributing to a culture of greed. Finally, the Kraken lawyers face a reckoning not seen since Perseus pulled out Medusa's head.

Special thanks to our sponsors, Lexicon and Nota.

Associate Pay Jumps To $205K Jun 16, 2021

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Biglaw firms are furiously matching salary increases this week, and Joe and Kathryn walk through the latest announcements, how we got here, the impact across the country, and the fate of the whiny corporate clients out there. This episode doesn't have a cash register sound effect, which is really a shame and Joe takes full responsibility for this oversight.

Special thanks to our sponsors, Lexicon and Nota.

FedSoc Babies Won't Stop Whining Jun 09, 2021

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Stanford responded swiftly to the outcry over threatening a law student's graduation because he made jokes about Josh Hawley, but what's not funny is the fact that the people who targeted him will all have high profile clerkships next year. We also discuss Harvard's insistence that students on need-based aid hand over all their summer associate earnings. And there's way more conversation about the phrase "Wet and Wild" than anyone wants.

Special thanks to our sponsors, Lexicon and Nota.

No One's Where They Expected To Be Jun 02, 2021

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More law firms announce that they aren't expecting associates to be back full-time in the office in the fall. More law schools announce that they aren't expecting enrolled law students to be in class at all. And more Kardashians announce that they aren't lawyers yet.

Special thanks to our sponsors, LexisNexis® InterAction®, Lexicon and Nota.

Summer Vacations? Maybe Not For Lawyers May 26, 2021

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Infinite vacation time sounds great until you place yourself inside the passive-aggressive crucible of a law firm. Management is probably genuinely trying to give associates more flexibility with their vacations but ultimately freaking out their lawyers in the process. Meanwhile, summer associates are heading to work and very worried about the level of mentoring they're going to get in a remote work environment. And we check in on a judge at the center of an epic set of allegations.

Special thanks to our sponsors, LexisNexis® InterAction®, Lexicon and Nota.

Yes, You Still Need To Check Your Zoom Name Before Logging In May 19, 2021

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Joe and Kathryn discuss the latest legal Zoom fail as a defendant flirts with contempt after his sister changed his Zoom moniker to some sort of sci-fi sex machine. The pair also talk about Ropes & Gray's decision to transition to a four-day office work week and the latest insulting, dubious rant from the National Conference of Bar Examiners declaring that poor test results for minority applicants is... probably because minorities aren't cut out to be lawyers in the first place. Yikes!

Special thanks to our sponsors, LexisNexis® InterAction®, Lexicon and Nota.

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