8th Layer Insights

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Communicating Complex Topics with Creativity and Passion May 07, 2024

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In this episode, Perry sits down with award winning cybersecurity author, George Finney to discuss his recent book, Project Zero Trust. This is a broad discussion that hits on the concepts of Zero Trust, George's approach to writing the book, his passion for storytelling, and much more.

Guest:

George Finney (LinkedIn) (Website)

8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/

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How Rachel Tobac Hacked Me Apr 09, 2024

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In this episode Perry Carpenter sits down with Rachel Tobac to debrief after her recent KB4-CON session, "How I'd Hack You Live" where she... well... hacked Perry live. Perry and Rachel explore how age-old deception techniques are being revamped for the digital age. The discussion spans the future of social engineering, the increasing role of AI in security, and a few other fun bits.

Guest:

Rachel Tobac (LinkedIn) (Twitter / X) (Website)

Books and References (Books are Amazon Associate Links and help support the show):

KB4-CON 2024 Main Stage Sessions (Registration required)
Deepfake scammer walks off with $25 million in first-of-its-kind AI heist, Ars Technica
The Social Engineer's Playbook: A Practical Guide to Pretexting, by Jeremiah Talamantes
The Art of Deception: Controlling the Human Element of Security, by Kevin Mitnick
YouTube video: 60 minutes Here’s how I used AI to clone a 60 Minutes correspondent’s voice to trick a colleague
YouTube video: It Was Easy to Hack a Billionaire
YouTube video: Inside the Mind of an Ethical Hacker

Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links)

Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter
The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer

Production Credits:

Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.

Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.

8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/

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How AI Can Deceive and be Deceived Mar 19, 2024

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On this episode Perry sits down with Dr. Matthew Canham to explore ways in which AI can be weaponized against us, and how age old social engineering tactics can be used to trick large language models.

Guest:

Dr. Matthew Canham (LinkedIn) (Website)

Books and References (Books are Amazon Associate Links and help support the show):

Cognitive Security Institute YouTube Channel
Cognitive Security Institute website
YouTube video: BlackHat Presentation -- Me and My Evil Digital Twin: The Psychology of Human Exploitation by AI Assistants
YouTube video: NEW AI Jailbreak Method SHATTERS GPT4, Claude, Gemini, LLaMA
Not with a Bug, But with a Sticker: Attacks on Machine Learning Systems and What To Do About Them, by Ram Shankar Siva Kumar & Hyrum Anderson
Six Thinking Hats, the de Bono Group
Six Thinking Hats: Looking at Decision in Different Ways, MindTools
AI + Six Thinking Hats, LifeArchitect.ai
8Li Season 4, episode 10: Artificial Intelligence Insights & Oddities

Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links)

Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter
The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer

Production Credits:

Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.

Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.

8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/

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Frame the Future: The Art of Becoming a Futurist Feb 27, 2024

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On this episode Perry sits down with Jeremy Treadwell, a people-first technologist and futurist, to get the lowdown on how a futurist approaches the world.

Guest:

Jeremy Treadwell (LinkedIn) (Twitter)

Books and References (Books are Amazon Associate Links and help support the show):

YouTube Video: What UX/UI Taught Me about Improving Security Awareness [SANS Security Awareness Summit 2022], Jeremy Treadwell
YouTube Video: Reimagine the Future of Data, Privacy + Security with Technologist Jeremy Treadwell
The Institute for the Future website
Four Questions to Turn Everyone in Your Company Into a Futurist, FastCompany article
How Does a Futurist See the Future, LinkedIn Article by Jacob Morgan
The Black Swan: Second Edition: The Impact of the Highly Improbable: With a new section: "On Robustness and Fragility", by Nassim Nicholas Taleb
The Gray Rhino: How to Recognize and Act on the Obvious Dangers We Ignore, by Michele Wucker
William Gibson’s Future Is Now, Pagan Kennedy, the New York Times
8Li Season 1, episode 8: The Risk Episode: Black Swans, Grey Rhinos, Angels & Demons

Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links)

Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter
The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer

Production Credits:

Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.

Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.

8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/

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How to Scam a Romance Scammer Feb 13, 2024

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Welcome to season 5 of 8th Layer Insights!

To celebrate Valentine's Day, Perry sits down with Emmy winning reporter Kerry Tomlinson to talk about the time she turned the tables on a romance scammer.

Guest:

Kerry Tomlinson (LinkedIn) (Website) (YouTube)

Books and References:

YouTube video: Inside a romance scam: how to make a catfisher sing
YouTube video: Scammers are stealing people's faces for live video calls
National Cybersecurity Alliance : Online Romance and Dating Scams
National Cybersecurity Alliance : Romance Scams Resource Kit
Federal Trade Commission: Romance scammers’ favorite lies exposed
Know Your Meme: On the Internet, Nobody Knows You're A Dog
‘NOBODY KNOWS YOU’RE A DOG’: As iconic Internet cartoon turns 20, creator Peter Steiner knows the joke rings as relevant as ever
Wikipedia: On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog

Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links)

Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter
The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer

Production Credits:

Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.

Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.

8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/

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Artificial Intelligence: Insights & Oddities Nov 30, 2023

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On this episode, Perry celebrates the one year birthday of ChatGPT by taking a look at AI from technological, philosophical, and folkloric perspectives. We see how AI was formed based on human words and works, and how it can now shape the future of human legend and belief.

Guests:

Brandon Karpf, Vice President at N2K Networks (LinkedIn) (Website)
Dr. Lynne S. McNeill, Associate Professor at Utah State University (LinkedIn) (Twitter)
Dr. John Laudun, Professor at University of Louisiana at Lafayette (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website)
Lev Gorelov, Research Director at Handshake Consulting (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website)

Resources

Interview with the AI, part one, by the Brandon Karpf / the CyberWire
'Hard Fork': An Interview With Sam Altman, by The New York Times
The Exciting, Perilous Journey Toward AGI, Ilya Sutskever TED Talk
Ilya: the AI scientist shaping the world, by The Guardian
Meet Loab, the AI Art Woman Haunting the Internet: Is she a demon? A Cryptid? Or nothing at all..., the Guardian
In 2016, Microsoft’s Racist Chatbot Revealed the Dangers of Online Conversation The bot learned language from people on Twitter—but it also learned values, IEEE Spectrum
Perry's Digital Folklore episode about AI
Handshake's Generative AI Masterclass on Maven

Perry's Books (Amazon Associate links)

Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter
The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer

Be sure to check out Perry's other show, Digital Folklore. It's all about the oddities and importance of online culture. Head over to the show's website (https://digitalfolklore.fm/) to see our custom artwork, subscribe to the newsletter, shop for merch, support the show on Patreon, and more. Want to check out what others are saying? Here's some recent press about the show: https://digitalfolklore.fm/in-the-news.

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Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, Storyblocks, & EpidemicSound.

8Li cover art by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/.

8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/

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Technology and the Law of Unintended Consequences (Encore) Oct 24, 2023

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Let's face it. Most of us have a love/hate relationship with technology and technological advances. We dream about the new thing... but when it arrives, we are usually a little disappointed. Many of us also lament the constant erosion of privacy, the changes in social norms, and more. And, little-by-little, we allow those aspects of new technology to make us numb. We accept the cognitive dissonance of not totally being happy with the trade-offs; yet we still make the trade.

In this episode, we explore a few of the positives and some of the unintended consequences associated with recent technological advancements. We'll hear from Dr. Lydia, Kostopoulos, Dr. Charles Chaffin, Andra Zaharia, and Aaron Barr.

Guests:

Dr. Lydia Kostopoulos (LinkedIn) (Website)
Dr. Charles Chaffin (LinkedIn) (Website)
Andra Zaharia (LinkedIn) (Website)
Aaron Barr (LinkedIn) (Website)

Books and Resources:

IEEE Article: Decoupling Human Characteristics from Algorithmic Capabilities by Dr. Lydia Kostopoulos
Numb: How the Information Age Dulls Our Senses and How We Can Get them Back by Dr. Charles Chaffin (Amazon Associate Links)
The Numb Podcast by Dr. Charles Chaffin
The Cyber Empathy Podcast by Andra Zaharia
Reminder: Your 'smart AI' often involves a low-paid contractor surveilling you
How creepy is your smart speaker?
Newton's Laws of Motion
Unintended Consequences
Elon Musk's warning regarding AI
Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter (Amazon Associate Link)
Everything is Alive podcast by PRX and Radiotopia

Production Credits:

Additional voice talent provided by Kristina Leigh.

Additional research by Nyla Gennaoui.

Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.

Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.

8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/

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Cybersecurity First Principles w/Rick Howard Oct 10, 2023

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On today's show, Perry sits down with Rick Howard to discuss Rick's new book and the concept of "First Principles" as they apply in the domain of cybersecurity.

Rick Howard is the CSO of N2K and the Chief Analyst, and Senior Fellow at the N2K Cyber, formerly CyberWire. His past lives include CSO at Palo Alto Networks, CISO at TASC, the GM at Verisign/iDefense, the Counterpane SOC Director, and the Commander of the Army's Computer Emergency Response Team (CERT). Rick served 25 years in the Army, taught computer science at West Point, and recently published , "Cybersecurity First Principles: A Reboot of Strategy and Tactics."

Guest: Rick Howard (LinkedIn)

Rick's book, podcasts, and other stuff

Cybersecurity First Principles: A Reboot of Strategy and Tactics (Amazon Associate link)
Promo video for Rick's Cybersecurity First Principles video course
CSO Perspectives Podcast
Word Notes

Perry's Books (Amazon Associate links)

Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter
The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer

Production Credits:

Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, Storyblocks, & EpidemicSound.

8Li cover art by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/.

8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/

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OSINT, Curiosity, Creativity, & Career Pivots: A Conversation with Rae Baker Sep 26, 2023

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If you’ve been listening to this show for a while, you’ll know that we’ve touched on the topic of Open Source Intelligence (otherwise known as OSINT) several times. It is an area of information security that penetration testing that’s been getting quite a bit of attention over the past several years. When you think about the digital world we live in, where we have a proliferation of personal, organizational, and governmental data on the internet...and the simple fact that data likes to leak…we can safely predict that OSINT investigation techniques will continue to be in demand.

On this episode, Perry sits down with Rae Baker. Rae is the author of the book Deep Dive: Exploring the Real-world Value of Open Source Intelligence, which was released in April of this year from Wiley publishing. In this discussion with Rae, you’ll hear a bit about her career pivot to OSINT specialist from being a graphic designer, how creativity fuels her job, advice for aspiring cybersecurity and OSINT professionals, and a lot more.

Guest:

Rae Baker (LinkedIn) (Twitter) (Website)

Books and References:

Deep Dive: Exploring the Real-world Value of Open Source Intelligence, by Rae Baker (Amazon Associate link)
Kase Scenarios: https://kasescenarios.com/
The OSINT Curious project
TraceLabs
YouTube Playlist from the 2022 SANS OSINT Summit
YouTube video by The Cyber Mentor: Learn OSINT in 4.5 Hours
Lockheed Martin Cyber Kill-Chain: https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/capabilities/cyber/cyber-kill-chain.html

Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links)

Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter
The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer

Production Credits:

Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.

Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.

8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/

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Conversational Security Awareness: Putting Humanity into Your Human Risk Management Program Sep 12, 2023

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Listen in as Perry Carpenter & Dr. Jessica Barker present their joint session, "Conversational Security Awareness" at the SANS Managing Human Risk Summit. ... and stay tuned after the presentation for a quick conversation between Perry, Jessica, and Lance Spitzner (SANS) as they discuss themes from this year's event.

Guests:

Dr. Jessica Barker (LinkedIn) (Twitter)
Jeremy Treadwell (LinkedIn) (Twitter)
Lance Spitzner (LinkedIn) (Twitter)

Additional Resources:

Related 8Li Episodes:

Relevant Books (Amazon Associate Links)

Confident Cyber Security: How to Get Started in Cyber Security and Futureproof Your Career, by Jessica Barker
Cybersecurity ABCs: Delivering awareness, behaviours and culture change by Jessica Barker, Adrian Davis, Bruce Hallas, & Ciarán Mc Mahon
Mixed Signals: How Incentives Really Work, by Uri Gneezy
Security Awareness Program Builder: Practical guidelines for building your Information Security Awareness Program & prep guide for the Security Awareness and Culture Professional (SACP)™ by Mark Majewski

Perry's Books (Amazon Associate Links)

Transformational Security Awareness: What Neuroscientists, Storytellers, and Marketers Can Teach Us About Driving Secure Behaviors, by Perry Carpenter
The Security Culture Playbook: An Executive Guide To Reducing Risk and Developing Your Human Defense Layer by Perry Carpenter & Kai Roer

Production Credits:

Music and Sound Effects by Blue Dot Sessions, Envato Elements, & Storyblocks.

Artwork by Chris Machowski @ https://www.RansomWear.net/ and Mia Rune @ https://www.MiaRune.com.

8th Layer Insights theme music composed and performed by Marcos Moscat @ https://www.GameMusicTown.com/

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Email: hello [at] 8thLayerInsights [dot] com

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