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In this not-to-be-missed episode, Val interviews Michael McLean (of The Forgotten Carols and Mr. Kruger's Christmas) and his delightful son Jeff about a book they just co-wrote recounting their journey to unconditional love for self and one another in a religious tradition that still struggles to embrace the reality that the worth of EVERY soul (not just the married heterosexual soul!) is infinitely good, lovable, & 'enough'.
This conversation is candid, raw, and maybe as 'real' as anything that you've heard on Latter Day Struggles and it is the essence of why we do what we do here. We share conversations like Jeff's and Michael's to remind us that miracles of healing are possible as humans awaken to the real message of Jesus Christ: That love knows no limits.
In the next episode Val interviews therapist and colleague Brad Reedy, who contributes to Jeff and Michael's book. Don't miss these profound and touching episodes!
DON'T HIT STOP after the interview this week y'all! Please enjoy a beautiful original song written by Jeff McLean for his therapists and helpers along the way during his journey that led to the writing of Stay in the Room.
Timestamps:
00:00 Welcome and Guests
05:00 Jeff on Identity and Culture
10:18 Michael on Painful Truths
16:21 Jeff on Shame and Hiding
20:16 Host Therapy Framework
27:28 Michael Valley of Shadow
32:18 Temple Recommend Turning Point
40:33 Host Reframes the Journey
45:39 A Living Room Breakthrough
49:41 Houston Hotel Confrontation
55:12 Love Loud Safe Harbors
59:08 Writing The Book As Recovery
01:10:54 Die Before You Die
01:21:05 Hope For Unapologized Hurt
01:27:41 McClain Foundation Plans
01:29:15 Closing Gratitude + Original Song
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