Zone 7 with Sheryl McCollum

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BAD HENRY: The Murderous Rampage of ‘The Taco Bell Strangler’ Oct 11, 2023

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Henry Louis Wallace terrorized Charlotte, North Carolina, from May 1992 to March 1994. Wallace preyed on lower economic-class Black women between 17 and 35 years old. He knew most of his victims, some through his job at Taco Bell, and gained their trust with his friendly demeanor and gentle nature-concealing a monster fueled by drug abuse and rage against women. A rarity in that he was an African-American serial killer, his murderous rampage spurred controversy throughout the city.

In this episode of Zone 7, Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum, sits down with author Ron Chepesiuk to discuss in depth the serial killings of the infamous Taco Bell strangler. They also discuss possible motives, the killers’ drug use, and similarities of each case that were overlooked.

Show Notes:

[0:00] Welcome back to Zone 7 with Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum.
[1:38] Sheryl introduces Ron Chepesiuk to the listeners
[2:12] BAD HENRY: The Murderous Rampage of ‘The Taco Bell Strangler’
[4:59] “People ask me: ‘What do you need to be a writer?’ I said you got to have perseverance above everything. it's a craft. You may not be able to write like Hemingway, but if you study the craft, you should be able to write well enough to be a qualified professional writer.”
[5:35] Background of serial killings
[9:00] Sheryl and Ron give further details about various murders committed and possible motives as to why
[17:50] Drug use caused the murder streak to become reckless
[19:09] Similarities of the murders are explained
[21:24] Question: Well, is it true that the FBI said these murders were not connected?
[26:03] Question: Can you tell the listeners about the project you’re currently working on?
[26:15] Paraiso Blanco
[27:09] “There's a pattern in every crime. Something that gives the police an edge on the criminal's weakness. And we know he has a weakness, or he wouldn't be a criminal.” -H.N
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Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice. Sheryl is also the founder and director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, a collaboration between universities and colleges that brings researchers, practitioners, students and the criminal justice community together to advance techniques in solving cold cases and assist families and law enforcement with solvability factors for unsolved homicides, missing persons, and kidnapping cases.

You can connect and learn more about Sheryl’s work by visiting the CCIRI website https://coldcasecrimes.org

Social Links:

Email: coldcase2004@gmail.com
Twitter: @ColdCaseTips
Facebook: @sheryl.mccollum

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The Last Escape: The 1962 Alcatraz Escape with Ken Widner Oct 04, 2023

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On the night of June 11, 1962, three Alcatraz inmates, Frank Morris and John and Clarence Anglin, set out in a raft into the treacherous waters of San Francisco Bay. They were never seen again.

In this episode of Zone 7, Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum, talks with Ken Widner, the nephew of the infamous Anglin brothers involved in the daring escape. Ken dissects the official narrative, showcasing photographs, FBI omissions, and family tales that make the Anglins' survival a compelling probability. Together, they take a deep dive into the evidence, from facial recognition to Google Maps, that could forever change the story of the Alcatraz escapees.

Show Notes:

[0:00] Welcome back to Zone 7 with Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum.
[3:30] Sheryl introduces guest Ken Widner to the listeners
[5:10] Question: Tell everybody about the escape in 1962 from Alcatraz. What were you and your momma doing?
[13:00] Using facial recognition to analyze photographs
[13:33] Alcatraz Search for the Truth
[15:30] Question: Let's talk about family loyalty, and just how far you would go. Tell us about the raft and going across to Angel Island.
[18:00] Sheryl and Ken discuss crossing the rough waters and what police ignored the day of escape
[25:50] Ken questions the suspicious lack of documentation regarding a key individual, poking holes in the official narrative
[26:10] Question: Can you paint the picture for the listeners about Brazil?
[33:42] ”You find a wheat penny up there. The date makes sense. The location does not make sense unless they were there.”
[38:25] Question: Can you talk a little bit about your letter writing back and forth with Whitey Bulger?
[48:57] Alcatraz, The Last Escape
[50:35] “When everything goes to hell, the people who stand by you without flinching. They're your family.” -J.B
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You can connect and learn more about Sheryl’s work by visiting the CCIRI website https://coldcasecrimes.org

Social Links:

Email: coldcase2004@gmail.com
Twitter: @ColdCaseTips
Facebook: @sheryl.mccollum

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The Anatomy of a Cold Case: Re-examining the Murder of Ann Ledger with The Investigators Podcast Sep 27, 2023

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On January 16, 1987, Ann Ledger is found raped and murdered in her apartment in Sandy Springs, Georgia.

In this episode of Zone 7, Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum, teams up with Jessica Noll and Todd McComas as they dive into the intricacies of solving cold cases. The trio explores the unique dynamics of their partnerships, emphasizing the invaluable role of media in aiding law enforcement. Todd opens up about the human side of police work, while Jessica sheds light on the hurdles journalists face in accessing information.

Show Notes:

[0:00] Welcome back to Zone 7 with Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum
[1:55] Sheryl introduces guests, Jessica Noll and Todd McComas to the listeners
[2:00] Check out The Investigators Podcast HERE
[5:50] Sheryl discusses the invaluable resources that news organizations can offer
[10:10] Todd shares a story of a time he lost a weapon
[15:00] Jessica shares an instance where Todd's keen observational skills proved invaluable
[20:00] The trio dives into the murder and rape of Ann Ledger. This is a cold case from 1987
[27:30] “The First Amendment is a real thing. And the reporter that you were running from is going to write that story anyway, The best thing you can do is put yourself in the best light.”
[37:00] If you have information about Ann Ledger, reach out to Jessica or Todd, or call the Sandy Springs Police @ 770-551-6900
[37:50] Final words on Ann Ledger's unsolved case
[43:10] “If you're not going to offend somebody, you don't need the First Amendment.” -L.F
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You can connect and learn more about Sheryl’s work by visiting the CCIRI website https://coldcasecrimes.org

Social Links:

Email: coldcase2004@gmail.com
Twitter: @ColdCaseTips
Facebook: @sheryl.mccollum

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How to Detect Deception with Susan Constantine Sep 20, 2023

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In this episode of Zone 7, Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum sits down with Susan Constantine, a leading expert in deception detection and body language. The conversation explores a range of topics, from the importance of objectivity in investigations to the nuances of voice pitch and tone. Susan covers how deception detection is a skill not just a gut feeling and how to understand human behaviors.

Show Notes:

[0:00] Welcome back to Zone 7 with Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum.
[2:40] Sheryl introduces Susan Constantine to the listeners
[6:20] Susan unpacks how deception detection is a skill that can be learned, not just a gut feeling
[8:30] Question: How did you get into this field of deception detection?
[9:14] Susan recounts a haunting experience from her childhood that took place in a racially tense neighborhood
[15:18] Susan talks about her career in jury selection
[17:00] Susan discusses her role in the high-profile Casey Anthony trial, analyzing Anthony's body language
[18:10] Sheryl and Susan dissect Casey Anthony's body language during her trial
[21:34] Question: Can you tell us some of the facial expressions you try your best to look for and hone in on, depending on who you're working for?
[22:20] The concept of cognitive load and how it can be a revealing factor when individuals are trying to lie
[30:55] Susan discusses how she worked through the Michael Jackson case
[39:55] “The more I've ranked up, the smaller my circle becomes.”
[43:32] Susan discusses how she analyzes video footage to detect deception
[45:00] Question: Could you talk a little bit about the Holmes case?
[49:53] “Men are liars. We'll lie about lying if we have to. I'm an algebra liar. I figure two good lies makes a positive.” -T.A
Thanks for listening to another episode! If you’re loving the show and want to help grow the show, please head over to Itunes and leave a rating and review! How to Leave an Apple Podcast Review: First, Open the podcast app on your iPhone, Mac, or iPad. Then, hit the “Search” tab at the bottom right-hand corner of the page and search for Zone 7. Select the podcast, scroll down to find the subheading “Ratings & Reviews”. and select “Write a Review.” Next, select the number of stars you’d like to leave. Please choose 5 stars! Using the text box which says “Title,” write a title for your review. Then in the text box, write the review itself. The review can be up to 300 words long, but doesn’t need to be much more than: “Love the show! Thanks!” or Once you’re done select “Send” in the upper right-hand corner.

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You can connect and learn more about Sheryl’s work by visiting the CCIRI website https://coldcasecrimes.org

Social Links:

Email: coldcase2004@gmail.com
Twitter: @ColdCaseTips
Facebook: @sheryl.mccollum

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What the Dead Know: Barbara Butcher on the Realities of Death Investigation Sep 13, 2023

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In this episode of Zone 7, Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum, sits down with legendary death investigator Barbara Butcher. Barbara's career spans decades and includes experiences ranging from the gritty New York morgue to the surreal aftermath of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and 9/11. Barbara also describes the psychological toll of her work, especially after 9/11, and the emotional strain of switching between the harsh realities of her job and everyday life.

Show Notes:

[0:00] Welcome back to Zone 7 with Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum.
[1:11] Sheryl introduces guest, Barbara Butcher to the listeners
[2:36] What the Dead Know: Learning About Life as a New York City Death Investigator
[4:00] Sheryl begins to delve into the vast and exciting career of Barbara
[8:20] Barbara recounts a chilling case from 1992 involving a suicide by hanging
[10:57] Question: Can you paint the listeners a picture of the morgue in New York
[14:40] “Sports” of New York
[16:40] Discussion around Barbara’s early career experiences, including the challenges she faced and how she established her credibility
[19:20] Barbara shares some adventurous experiences with the NYPD
[20:30] Question: Can you tell us about 1993 and the World Trade Center bombing?
[21:20] The scene at the World Trade Center following the 1993 bombing
[25:00] Barbara describes her visit to Ground Zero, the overwhelming task of identifying victims, and emphasizing the individual tragedies
[31:40] “You don't ever get over it. I think some things you won't get over. Not ever. You can't.”
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You can connect and learn more about Sheryl’s work by visiting the CCIRI website https://coldcasecrimes.org

Social Links:

Email: coldcase2004@gmail.com
Twitter: @ColdCaseTips
Facebook: @sheryl.mccollum

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From Crisis to Compassion: A 9/11 Retrospective with Constable Oswald Fudge Sep 11, 2023

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In this special episode of Zone 7, Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum, is joined by Constable Oswald Fudge to discuss the extraordinary hospitality of Gander, Newfoundland, during the 9/11/01 attacks.

Sheryl was directly involved in coordinating efforts at the Pentagon. She provides a detailed timeline of the tragic events, sharing personal concerns for her family involved in the airline industry. Together they share humorous anecdotes about toilet paper donations to touching stories of resilience and compassion. Sheryl and Oswald also discuss the transformative power of the play "Come From Away," which focuses on the events of 9/12.

Show Notes:

[0:00] Welcome back to Zone 7 with Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum. Sheryl starts off by recalling where she was on the morning of 9/1/01
[0:42] Sheryl outlines her role in the aftermath of the attacks
[1:09] Timeline of the 9/11 attacks
[3:06] Sheryl recounts the fear and confusion she felt while trying to get information about her sister Charlene's flight
[7:44] Sheryl introduces good friend and guest Constable Oswald Fudge to the listeners
[9:03] The various challenges faced during the crisis, including medical emergencies, language barriers, and cultural differences
[10:37] Question: Can you tell us about that day [9/11/01] from your perspective?
[11:14] Oswald recalls receiving a personal request from Sheryl during the crisis
[13:50] “And Charlene said there was not one person in Gander that did not give and support.”
[15:30] Question: Can you give a perspective of the food to the listeners?
[17:50] Sheryl recounts how locals went above and beyond in their hospitality
[19:22] Question: What was the most extraordinary thing that you experienced during those five days?
[22:00] Oswald shares a touching story about young girls dressing up as fairies to cheer up terminally ill children
[29:03] “If you, want to do something good for somebody or, donate money, or donate some volunteer hours. But you can't out gander them.”
[32:25] The Day the World Comes Town
[34:20] Question: Is there anything else you want to be sure that you say or highlight that I haven't thought to ask?
[36:14] Come From Away
[42:21] A special thank you from Oswald
[43:03] “In true Newfie fashion, it was nutting.” -C.O.F
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You can connect and learn more about Sheryl’s work by visiting the CCIRI website https://coldcasecrimes.org

Social Links:

Email: coldcase2004@gmail.com
Twitter: @ColdCaseTips
Facebook: @sheryl.mccollum

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Alcatraz's Most Notorious Escape Sep 06, 2023

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In this episode of Zone 7, Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum, talks with guest Michael Essligner.

Together, they peel back the layers of the notorious prison, Alcatraz, from its reputation as an impenetrable fortress to the infamous 1962 escape. Sheryl and Michael explore the psychology of Alcatraz inmates and discuss the prison's impact on rehabilitation. With firsthand accounts and meticulous research, they offer a nuanced view of the inmates' ingenuity and the prison's security lapses.

Show Notes:

[0:00] Welcome back to Zone 7 with Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum. Sheryl sets the stage by sharing her childhood fascination with Alcatraz
[3:40] Sheryl introduces guest Michael Essligner to the listeners
[8:40] The History of Alcatraz is addressed through stories
[9:40] Heat
[10:48] Sheryl and Michael start dissecting the details of the infamous Alcatraz escape
[12:15] Michael explains the prison's security measures and how they had been relaxed by 1962, hinting at internal issues
[15:31] The meticulous planning involved in the escape, from obtaining raincoats to other necessary items
[17:00] Michael details the escape process, from dummy heads to reaching the roof
[24:40] The benefits of Alcatraz in providing inmates with meaningful skills, challenging conventional views on imprisonment
[28:22] Question: Can you explain Cell Block B to the listeners?
[32:36] Discussion on the prisoners' use of a broken vacuum cleaner motor to create a drill
[36:53] Question: Can you talk about the accordion and what it was used for?
[37:00] Reflections on the enduring mystery surrounding the escape
[44:44] Question: Michael Eslinger. Did they make it? Did they survive?
[45:50] “For every piece of evidence that suggests they died. There's another piece of evidence that comes up that suggests that they lived.”
[46:54] “There's something addictive about secrets.” -J.E.H
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Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award-winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice. Sheryl is also the founder and director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, a collaboration between universities and colleges that brings researchers, practitioners, students and the criminal justice community together to advance techniques in solving cold cases and assist families and law enforcement with solvability factors for unsolved homicides, missing persons, and kidnapping cases.

You can connect and learn more about Sheryl’s work by visiting the CCIRI website https://coldcasecrimes.org

Social Links:

Email: coldcase2004@gmail.com
Twitter: @149Zone7
Facebook: @sheryl.mccollum

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Zone 7 Legends: Guns, Grit, and Generations with John B. Edwards Aug 30, 2023

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In this episode of Zone 7, Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum, talks with guest, John B. Edwards.

Together, they dive deep into a career spanning over four decades in law enforcement. John's journey began at a humble sheriff's office, evolving into extensive work in undercover narcotics, crisis management, and homicide investigations. John also shares insights from his post-retirement endeavors as an author, with novels like 'Burden of Command' and 'Darkness Under the Oaks.'

Show Notes:

[0:00] Welcome back to Zone 7 with Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum. Sheryl kicks by recounting a personal tragedy that led her into the world of law enforcement
[1:37] Sheryl introduces guest, John B. Edwards to the listeners
[3:30] John describes becoming an undercover narcotics officer at just 18
[4:49] “There should be no ego in investigations”
[6:30] John recalls the loss of his partner in the line of duty
[8:16] Distinguishes between the complexities of drug enforcement and homicide investigations
[10:12] Question: Do you have any notable cases that you want to mention, like things you worked on in Georgia?
[13:00] Advice from J.B: “Write down everything you love right now. The minute you start to see that changing, do something about it.”
[16:12] Sheryl and John uncover the unseen emotional toll and camaraderie of working in law enforcement
[18:04] Daily challenges faced by cops. Officers often encounter individuals at their worst
[23:39] Generational differences spotlighted. John discusses the impact of the internet on social behavior.
[25:28] Question: Can you describe your books to the listeners?
[27:23] Burden of Command
[30:40] Sunlight over the Marshes
[31:28] Homicide Investigative Praxis
[31:53] Darkness Under the Oaks
[33:18] Question: Can we talk a bit about your grandmother, Josie Mae?
[37:57] Question: Can we talk about your bloodline in law enforcement?
[42:09] I had gone through a near-death experience and that gives you insight into how fleeting life is and to what's important. -F.S
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You can connect and learn more about Sheryl’s work by visiting the CCIRI website https://coldcasecrimes.org

Social Links:

Email: coldcase2004@gmail.com
Twitter: @ColdCaseTips
Facebook: @sheryl.mccollum

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The Delphi Murders: The Quest for Justice with Barbara MacDonald Aug 23, 2023

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On February 14, 2017, Abigail Williams and Liberty German are discovered near the Monon High Bridge Trail, part of the Delphi Historic Trails in Delphi, Indiana.

In this episode of Zone 7, Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum, talks with guest Barbara MacDonald and dives into the chilling case of Liberty German and Abigail Williams, two young girls found murdered in Delphi, Indiana.

The episode explores the hidden trails, the significance of the bridge, and the mysterious parked car that may hold the key to the case. MacDonald's extensive experience and empathy for the victims add depth to the discussion, while McCollum's insights into the investigation process provide a unique perspective.

Show Notes:

[0:00] Welcome back to Zone 7 with Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum.
[1:05] Sheryl gives a timeline of events in the case of Liberty German and Abigail Williams
[2:52] Sheryl introduces guest, Barbara MacDonald to the listeners
[2:55] Check out Down the Hill Podcast HERE
[7:00] The emphasis on a fair trial for Richard Allen underscores the importance of due process
[8:36] Barbara points out inconsistencies in the case, building anticipation for the 2024 trial
[10:30] Question: Barbara, you got to spend six weeks, boots on the ground. Could you tell us about that?
[12:34] Barbara gives a description of the trail area and paints a vivid picture of the community's loss
[15:30] Reflection on the global impact of the crime, highlighting the Snapchat evidence calling this case “the Snapchat killing”
[17:30] The hidden location of the bridge suggests the perpetrator's familiarity with the area
[19:30] Discussion of the secluded area where the girls were found
[24:57] Question: When you found out that on the video when one of the girls mentioned the word gun, what was your reaction?
[26:18] Speculation about the unspent ejected shell casing found at the crime scene raises questions
[33:30] Question: Any last thoughts, Barbara?
[34:37] Down the Hill Podcast: A personal anecdote about a team member illustrates the close-knit nature of podcasters
[37:19] “From now on, it is our task to suspect each and every one among us.” -A.C
Thanks for listening to another episode! If you’re loving the show and want to help grow the show, please head over to Itunes and leave a rating and review! How to Leave an Apple Podcast Review: First, Open the podcast app on your iPhone, Mac, or iPad. Then, hit the “Search” tab at the bottom right-hand corner of the page and search for Zone 7. Select the podcast, scroll down to find the subheading “Ratings & Reviews”. and select “Write a Review.” Next, select the number of stars you’d like to leave. Please choose 5 stars! Using the text box which says “Title,” write a title for your review. Then in the text box, write the review itself. The review can be up to 300 words long, but doesn’t need to be much more than: “Love the show! Thanks!” or Once you’re done select “Send” in the upper right-hand corner.

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You can connect and learn more about Sheryl’s work by visiting the CCIRI website https://coldcasecrimes.org

Social Links:

Email: coldcase2004@gmail.com
Twitter: @ColdCaseTips
Facebook: @sheryl.mccollum

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LISK (Long Island Serial Killer) Full Panel 2 Aug 16, 2023

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Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum, talks with a diverse panel that includes former NYPD Sergeant Joseph Giacalone, forensic psychologist Dr. Joni Johnston, Mike Morford of the Criminology Podcast, polygraph expert Lisa Ribacoff, and Kerri Rawson, the daughter of the infamous BTK killer. They explore leads of the LISK case, discuss the importance of identifying victims, and theorize about the killer's methods. The conversation also touches on mental health within the police force and the ripple effects of trauma on victims, their families, and entire communities.

Show Notes:

[0:00] Welcome back to Zone 7 with Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum. Sheryl shares a high school story that sets the tone for the importance of teamwork in solving complex problems
[1:10] Listen to the previous episodes on the LISK case: LISK (Long Island Serial Killer) Panel: A Zone 7 Discussion; LISK (Long Island Serial Killer): Part 2 with Kerri Rawson
[1:15] Sheryl reintroduces guest, Sergeant Joseph Giacalone to the listeners
[1:40] Cold Case Handbook; Criminal Investigation Function
[1:45] Question to Joseph: What do you think is next for this investigation, the next steps?
[2:26] Question to Joseph: Do you see this task force being even larger than we think that it is?
[2:31] Joseph talks about the growth of the task force. He emphasizes the crucial role of expanding the investigation team
[3:45] Sherly reintroduces guest, Lisa Robicoff to the listeners
[3:48] Question to Lisa: With a case of this magnitude, how do you think private investigators could possibly help this task force? I'm thinking specifically interviews with sex workers, possibly internet searches, and government records. What do you think?
[4:00] Lisa Ribacoff is brought in to discuss private investigators' roles. Her insights highlight the value of collaboration in the task force
[6:10] Sheryl reintroduces Mike Morford of the Criminology Podcast
[7:32] Sheryl reintroduces Dr. Joni Jonston back to the listeners
[8:17] Dr. Joni Johnston discusses the age of the Long Island serial killer. Her thoughts explore the psychological implications of age in serial killing
[10:00] Sheryl reintroduces Kerri Rawson back to the listeners
[10:14] Question to Kerri: How do we continue to advocate for victims and keep that mindset of being respectful toward victims, families, and suspect families?
[13:33] Sheryl and Joseph discuss the use of humor in dealing with police mental health
[17:53] Question to Lisa: When you start identifying some of these victims from the Long Island serial killer, that's going to give us the date that they actually disappeared. How important is that intel?
[20:48] Question to Dr. Joni: I firmly believe he's going to have journals and calendars and maps and I think he's been very detailed in what he's done. What do you think?
[22:30] Joseph elaborates on factors that influence serial killers. Insight into the identification of a killer's first victim and the mistakes they make
[25:42] Sheryl and Mike discuss the possibility of the killer owning secluded land
[27:33] Lisa highlights unusual property in South Carolina. A potentially significant clue
[30:36] Kerri shares personal experiences as the daughter of the BTK killer
[34:54] Mike talks about crime scene investigations' impact on criminals' families. An exploration of the emotional toll and aftermath
[39:11] “Nothing about murder is clean. Everything is messy. Everything is horrible. Everything is gross.”
[41:24] Final thoughts from the panel
[45:55] “We will support this task force with every tool it needs to hopefully bring this investigation and these murders to a successful conclusion.” -M.J.D
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