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Win-Win with Liv Boeree

Don’t hate the players, change the game! The Win-Win Podcast is an exploration of the games that drive our world. Created by poker champion Liv Boeree, it explores solutions to humanity’s biggest issues through the lens of game theory. If you want to hear from some of the greatest thinkers on earth, and help defeat Moloch by turning lose-lose dilemmas into clear win-wins, this is the show for you.

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#27 - Sean Carroll - The Enigma of Complexity Jul 25, 2024

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Is complexity the new frontier of physics? How should we approach metaphysical uncertainty? What makes a great Physicist? These are just some of the questions covered in this Win-Win episode with the incredible Sean Carroll. Sean is a theoretical physicist and philosopher who specializes in quantum mechanics, cosmology, and philosophy of science.

Chapters

00:01:59 - New Discoveries of the Webb Telescope 00:11:05 - Complexity The New Frontier in Physics 00:16:42 - How Physicists See The World 00:20:14 - Observing Trends in Complexity 00:26:21 - How To Approach Metaphysical (Un)certainty 00:30:41 - Quantum Measurement Problem 00:33:49 - Many Worlds vs Copenhagen Interpretation 00:40:35 - Emergence 00:44:40 - Information under Classical and Quantum Mechanics 00:50:20 - Democracy As A Physical System 00:56:35 - Decision Theory In Many Worlds 01:02:03 - Competition in Academia 01:07:20 - Academic Publishing 01:12:57 - The Problem with Superintelligence 01:23:59 - Computing and Theories of Mind 01:31:26 - Poetic Naturalism 01:41:58 - What Makes A Great Physicist? 01:44:29 - Are There Any Breakthroughs Left? 01:52:08 - Credences of Hypotheses

Links ♾️ Sean's Website https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/ ♾️ The Bigger Picture https://www.amazon.co.uk/Big-Picture-... ♾️ Sean's Youtube / @seancarroll Credits ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Edited and Mixed by Ryan Kessler The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.

#26 - David Shapiro - Why We Must Defeat Nihilism Jun 27, 2024

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Nihilism has become all too popular, and this man is on a mission to fix that! David is a philosopher and technologist focussed on understanding and healing what he calls the "Nihilism Crisis" - the crisis of meaning the world is currently suffering from, especially as it transitions into the AI age.

If you're interested in AI alignment, game theory, incentive design, Moloch and competition, this is very much a conversation for you. 00:00:00 - Intro 00:02:05 - Defeating Moloch 00:08:02 - The Meaning Crisis

00:14:39 - The Third Attractor 00:15:29 - Post-Nihilism

00:19:17 - The Four Abandonments

00:30:13 - Complexity Destruction & Extremism 00:36:40 - Radical Alignment & Body-First Living

00:44:30 - Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs 00:48:04 - Accelerationists & Self Abandonment

00:50:43 - Competition & Status Games

00:52:28 - AI & Why Silicon Valley's Vibe Seems Off

00:58:14 - Sam Altman as a High Priest?

00:59:02 - Summarizing Everything so Far 01:01:33 - Mythic Archetypes

01:07:50 - Liv's Favourite Axioms 01:11:35 - Neurodivergence 01:16:17 - Culture Wars 01:26:26 - Creating the Third Attractor State Links: ♾️ David's video: Moloch is Losing! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiCUbJAwmgk ♾️ Slate Star Codex https://slatestarcodex.com/ ♾️ John Vervaeke - Awakening from the Meaning Crisis https://johnvervaeke.com/series/awakening-from-the-meaning-crisis/ ♾️ Daniel Schmactenberger - Finding the Third Attractor State https://consilienceproject.org/media/daniel-schmachtenberger-in-search-of-the-third-attractor-part-1/ ♾️ “Good Enough” Parenting study https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/05/190508134511.htm ♾️ The Status Game - Will Storr https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/58642436-the-status-game

♾️ An Immanent Metaphysics https://www.amazon.com/Immanent-Metaphysics-Forrest-Landry/dp/B0CPSJ647N ♾️ Roger Walsh - Therapeutic Lifestyle Changes https://drrogerwalsh.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/LMH-Summary-for-California-Psychologist-2018-12-20.pdf ♾️ Self Determination Theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination_theory ♾️ Patricia Churchland - Brain Trust https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691180977/braintrust ♾️ William Ury - Power of the Positive No https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/182089/the-power-of-a-positive-no-by-william-ury/ ♾️ The Fourth Turning - William Strauss, Neil Howe https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/174648/the-fourth-turning-by-william-strauss/ Credits: ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Produced & Edited by Raymond Wei ♾️ Audio Mix by Keir Schmidt #WinWinPodcast

#25 - AJ Jacobs - The Power of Social Experimentation Jun 21, 2024

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How literally should we take the US Constitution? What about the bible? Should we experiment with radical honesty with strangers? Those are just some of the questions human guinea pig A.J. Jacobs spends his life trying to answer. An author and journalist, he regularly immerses himself into extreme social experiments to understand the world better (and then usually writes a book about it). And this conversation does not disappoint -- we explore his discoveries on everything from love and relationships, competitive puzzling, US politics, health... one of my favourite conversations so far! Chapters: 00:00:00 - Intro 00:02:06 - Immersions 00:05:47 - Maximizing Health 00:11:14 - Living Biblically 00:19:17 - Living Constitutionally 00:49:50 - Gratitude Experiment 00:53:03 - Extreme Outsourcing 00:55:31 - Relationship Stuff 01:01:13 - Radical Honesty 01:10:43 - Choosing Projects 01:17:43 - Tips for Building Habits 01:22:51 - The Power of Puzzles 01:29:19 - Relationship with Competition Links: ♾️ AJ's Books https://ajjacobs.com/books/ ♾️ The Year of Living Constitutionally https://ajjacobs.com/books/the-year-of-living-constitutionally/ ♾️ Cochrane Report https://www.cochrane.org/ ♾️ Cold Takes Blog https://www.cold-takes.com/ ♾️ The 4 Hour Work Week by Tim Ferriss https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/49081/the-4-hour-workweek-expanded-and-updated-by-timothy-ferriss/ ♾️ The Scout Mindset by Julia Galef https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/555240/the-scout-mindset-by-julia-galef/ ♾️ Stickk.com https://www.stickk.com/ Credits: ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Produced & Edited by Raymond Wei ♾️ Audio Mix by Keir Schmidt The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.

#24 - Samo Burja - How to Prevent Civilizational Collapse May 29, 2024

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Why did Rome fall? What can we learn from past civilization collapses to protect our own? How do we fix our Institutions? In this Win-Win episode I speak to Samo Burja - a leading geopolitical analyst and founder of the intelligence brief Bismarck Analysis.

Samo is a prolific writer on nature of power, leadership, bureaucracy and governance. If you're worried about the health of our institutions and sense-making, this is the episode for you.

Chapters

00:00:00 - Intro

00:01:40 - Common Themes of Historical Civilizations

00:05:13 - Loss of Knowledge

00:13:38 - Impact of Demographic Collapse

00:17:06 - Indigenous Knowledge Loss

00:21:13 - Role of Institutions

00:24:01 - The Succession Problem & Knowledge Loss

00:38:34 - Bureaucracy and Goodhart's Law

00:45:52 - Democracy and Monarchy

00:50:44 - Sensemaking & AI

01:07:13 - Building New Civilizational Games

01:23:27 - Great Founder Theory

01:33:34 - What Makes a Great Founder?

01:38:53 - How to Avoid Getting Drunk on Power

01:44:50 - Democratization of Technology & Vulnerable Worlds

01:53:52 - Geopolitical Predictions

Links

♾️ Bismarck Brief https://brief.bismarckanalysis.com/

♾️ Samo's Website https://samoburja.com/

♾️ Samo's Youtube https://www.youtube.com/@UC4QYBbgLkGaULStiC5yc_1Q

Credits

♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree

♾️ Produced by Raymond Wei

♾️ Edit and Audio Mix by Ryan Kessler

The Win-Win Podcast:

Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.

#23 - Harleen Kaur - Exposing News Media Bias May 16, 2024

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Polarization, echo chambers... how do we fix the problem of biased news? That's a problem today's Win-Win guest has dedicated her life to solving. Harleen Kaur is the founder of Ground News, a news aggregator platform that provides overviews of what different media outlets across the political spectrum report, so that consumers can get a clearer and more impartial perspective. We explore the deeper questions of WHY we’re so divided in the first place, and what are the most promising ways of healing that divide. An especially important topic as we head into the age of synthetic AI generated media! Chapters: 00:00:00 - Intro 00:01:55 - Harleen’s Background 00:09:10 - Ground News 00:22:07 - Advertising Model Leading to Polarization 00:31:30 - Positive Effects from Ground News 00:35:22 - Reaching GenZ and Boomers 00:40:15 - Other Solutions To the Media Moloch 00:48:22 - Role of AI to Combat Media Bias 00:52:46 - Jonathan Haidt Solutions for Social Media 01:03:22 - Win-Win News Links: ♾️ Ground News https://ground.news/ Ground News Browser Extension https://ground.news/extension ♾️ Sentiment Mining 500 Years Of History: Is The World Really Darkening? https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2019/05/14/sentiment-mining-500-years-of-history-is-the-world-really-darkening/?sh=1725a43e35ef ♾️ Fairness Doctrine 1949 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_doctrine ♾️ Paradox of Polarisation Study https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-polarization-paradox-elected-officials-and-voters-have-shifted-in-opposite-directions/ ♾️ Jonathan Haidt - Social Media https://jonathanhaidt.com/social-media/ The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins. Credits: ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Produced & Edited by Raymond Wei ♾️ Audio Mix by Keir Schmidt

#22 - Wes Carter - Closing the Loop on Packaging Pollution Apr 26, 2024

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Is it possible to solve ocean pollution by turning the packaging industry into a closed-loop economy? Wes Carter thinks so. Wes is the Founder of a New Earth Project and President of Atlantic Packaging, on a personal mission to stop the significant pollution the packaging industry causes. In this episode we hear what it would take to close the loop on the economy via new types of biodegradable materials that could replace plastic and other common pollutants. We also discuss which types of recycling work, and which are rubbish. And of course, in true Win-Win Podcast style, we hear about what it would take to change the game so that companies (and their customers) are properly incentivized to account for the true environmental costs of the production and consumption. Chapters: 00:00:00 - Intro 00:02:35 - Wes's Story & the Packaging Industry 00:10:07 - Circular Economies 00:24:30 - Potential Solutions 00:31:11 - How to Align Incentives? 00:46:22 - Are Consumers Responsible? 00:51:41 - A New Earth Project 00:58:06 - Psychedelic Experiences 01:08:38 - Carbon Offsets 01:13:30 - Are Shareholders bad for the environment? 01:23:14 - Amazon's Progress 01:27:38 - Advice to Young Entrepreneurs Links: ♾️ A New Earth Project https://anewearthproject.com/ ♾️ Atlantic Packaging https://www.atlanticpkg.com/ ♾️ Breaking Open the Head by Daniel Pinchbeck https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1... ♾️ A Journey to a New Earth Series https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detai... The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins. Watch the previous episode with Ocean Cleanup Founder Boyan Slat here: https://youtu.be/QEYbLN-LC5k?si=XaV2j... Credits: ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Produced & Edited by Raymond Wei ♾️ Audio Mix by Keir Schmidt

#21 - Hannah Ritchie - How We Can Become the First Truly Sustainable Generation Apr 11, 2024

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Sustainability. It's a buzzword that gets lots of headlines, but what if our definition of it is incomplete? That's the view of Hannah Ritchie - Hannah is the lead Environmental Scientist at OurWorldinData.org - a leading data science organization that analyses data to find out the true state of our world. In today's conversation we explore her findings on the planet's biggest issues. We discuss which problems are over-hyped, which ones are under-hyped, and most importantly: How do we become sustainable AND keep the high quality of life we're used to? That would indeed be a Win-Win.

Chapters: 00:00:00 - Intro 00:02:06 - Redefining Sustainability 00:09:12 - The Perception Gap 00:22:09 - Degrowth Movement 00:26:46 - Jevon's Paradox 00:31:38 - Carbon Tax & Rethinking Incentives 00:35:45 - Latest Climate Data 00:43:38 - Geoengineering Solutions 00:50:03 - Impact of Farming 00:59:42 - Environmental Success Stories 01:05:12 - Badly Behaving Businesses 01:18:33 - Most Surprising Fact on OWID 01:26:18 - Relationship with Competition 01:31:38 - Win-Win Futures

Links:

♾️ Not the End of The World by Hannah Ritchie

https://www.nottheendoftheworld.co.uk/

♾️ Our World in Data

https://ourworldindata.org/

♾️ Hannah’s TED Talk - Are We the Last Generation or the First Sustainable One?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl3VVrggKz4

♾️ Hans Rosling - The Best Stats You’ve Ever Seen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVimVzgtD6w

♾️ Nate Hagen’s Youtube Channel

https://www.youtube.com/@thegreatsimplification

The Win-Win Podcast:

Watch the previous episode with Philosopher Nick Bostrom here:

https://youtu.be/o28s-mnykdE

Credits:

♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree

♾️ Produced & Edited by Raymond Wei

♾️ Audio Mix by Keir Schmidt

#WinWinPodcast #winwin

#20 - Nick Bostrom - Utopia, Superintelligence and Digital Minds Mar 29, 2024

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What would life look like in a fully automated world? How would we derive meaning in a world of superintelligence? Today's Win-Win episode is all about utopias, dystopias and thought experiments, because I'm talking to Professor Nick Bostrom. Nick is one of the world’s leading philosophers - he's a leading thinker on the nature of consciousness, AI, catastrophic risks, cosmology… he’s also the guy behind the Simulation Hypothesis, the Paperclip Maximizer thought experiment, the seminal AI book Superintelligence... Off into the hypotheti-sphere we go! Chapters 0:00 - Intro 01:42 - Why a book on Utopia? 03:31 - Different types of Utopias 11:40 - How to find purpose in a solved world? 18:31 - Potential Limits to Technology 22:34 - How would Utopians approach Competition? 30:24 - Superintelligence 34:39 - Vulnerable World Hypothesis 39:48 - Thinking in Superpositions 41:24 - Solutions to the Vulnerable World? 46:34 - Aligning Markets to Defensive Tech 48:43 - Digital Minds & Uploading 52:25 - AI Consciousness 55:08 - Outro Links: Nick’s Website - https://nickbostrom.com/ Anthropic Bias Paper - https://anthropic-principle.com/ Deep Utopia Book - https://nickbostrom.com/booklink/deep... Superintelligence book - Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, Strategies Vulnerable World Hypothesis - https://nickbostrom.com/papers/vulner... Orthogonality Thesis - https://nickbostrom.com/superintellig... Simulation Argument - https://simulation-argument.com/ Digital Minds - https://nickbostrom.com/papers/intere... Future of Humanity Institute - https://www.fhi.ox.ac.uk/ The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins. Credits ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree & Igor Kurganov ♾️ Produced & Edited by Raymond Wei ♾️ Audio Mix by Keir Schmidt

#19 - Marcus Daniell - The Hyper-Competitive World of Pro Tennis Mar 20, 2024

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What sacrifices does it take to be a pro tennis player? Is it possible to have a healthy mindset at the highest stakes?

Marcus Daniell understands it all - he has played professional tennis for over 20 years, a career that has earned him an Olympic medal and a whole lot of wisdom around the nature of competition. He is also the founder of High Impact Athletes, a movement of professional athletes who donate to highly effective charities.

Chapters

00:00:00 - Introduction

00:06:50 - Overlap of Tennis and Poker

00:13:56 - Dynamic Between Pro Tennis Players

00:22:00 - How competitiveness changes with age

00:29:08 - Strategies of Pro Players

00:31:11 - Competition As Young Athlete

00:31:57 - Playing Doubles

00:51:52 - Technology and Tennis

01:00:00 - Evolution of Tennis

01:05:44 - Moloch Traps in Tennis

01:11:10 - Enhanced Olympics

01:19:57 - Tennis Payout Structures

01:28:00 - High Impact Athletes and Philanthropy

01:49:43 - Kindest Things Someone Has Done

01:51:53 - Proudest Moment

Links

♾️ High Impact Athletes

https://www.highimpactathletes.org/

♾️ Marcus Daniell Twitter

https://twitter.com/marcusdaniell

♾️ Giving What We Can Pledge

https://www.givingwhatwecan.org/pledge

Credits

♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree

♾️ Produced by Raymond Wei

♾️ Edit and Audio Mix by Ryan Kessler

The Win-Win Podcast:

#18 - Chris Anderson - The Power of Infectious Generosity Mar 06, 2024

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What if we could harness the power of the internet to make kindness go VIRAL? That's the topic of this conversation with Chris Anderson -- Chris has run TED (of the famous TED talks) for the last twenty years, and recently wrote a book called "Infectious Generosity", which seeks to understand the nature of human kindness, and find ways to make it spread in the digital age. A crucial issue in these divisive times! Expect lots of evolutionary psychology, a dissection of why the media is broken, some deep internet history, and how to improve (and win at!) the attention game. Chapters: 00:00:00 - Intro 00:02:20 - Infectious Generosity 00:13:09 - How the Internet Has Changed 00:30:50 - Role of News Media 00:37:08 - Evolution of Generosity 00:50:04 - Effective Giving 00:53:28 - Intent vs Consequence 01:01:30 - Religion and Generosity 01:08:59 - The Audacious Project 01:22:41 - Giving What You Can Pledge 01:26:54 - Is Chris Competitive? 01:36:35 - Future of TED Links ♾️ Infectious Generosity by Chris Anderson https://www.infectiousgenerosity.org/ ♾️ Thinking Fast and Slow https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1... ♾️ Media Moloch Youtube Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRz54... ♾️ The Mystery Experiment - a Study of Generosity https://bigthink.com/the-present/gene... ♾️ Against Empathy by Paul Bloom https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2... ♾️ Atheism 2.0 by Alain de Botton TED Talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Oe6H... ♾️ The Audacious Project https://www.audaciousproject.org/ ♾️ Project Vesta https://www.vesta.earth/ ♾️ Liv's TED talk - The Dark Side of Competition in AI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX_vN... ♾️ The Giving Pledge - http://givingwhatwecan.org/winwin Credits ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Produced & Edited by Raymond Wei ♾️ Audio Mix by Keir Schmidt The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.

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