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    What’s On: The Cuberis Podcast

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    Episode 4: Meredith Duncan and Claire Lanier of #MuseumSnowballFight May 30, 2018
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    My guests today are Meredith Duncan, Social Media Manager at the Museum of the City of New York, and Claire Lanier, Social Media and Content Manager at the New-York Historical Society. A few weeks ago, I noticed that a duo of museum professionals had won an AAM Media & Technology MUSE Award for the #MuseumSnowballFight Twitter campaign. My first thought was, I remember that! Back in January, during the infamous “Bomb Cyclone” storm, museums all over the country and around the world used the hashtag to hurl virtual snowballs at each other in the form snow-related images from their collections. As a content strategist who works with museums, I’m always looking for innovative ways that museum professionals use technology to tell lesser-known objects’ stories. Not only did #MuseumSnowballFight accomplish this goal, it also showed that museums, and the people who work at them, can have fun. But then, I noticed something else. The co-recipients of the award were both from different institutions. How did they pull off such a successful collaboration from opposite sides of Central Park? I reached out to the initiators of #MuseumSnowballFight to find out. *FULL TRANSCRIPT* NICK: Hi, and welcome to What’s On, the Cuberis Podcast. I’m Nick Faber. Do you remember the blizzard of January 2018 dubbed “The Bomb Cyclone?” For a full week, that ominous term about the snowstorm that shut down airports and entire cities seemed to be everywhere. And if you were on social media, chances are you saw, or maybe even used the #bombcyclone hashtag. At the same time, there was another hashtag taking the museum world by storm, #MuseumSnowballFight. This hashtag, which originated at two historical institutions in New York, encouraged museums to share snow-related images from their collections on Twitter. And it was a huge success. Well-known institutions from around the world, from the Smithsonian and the V&A to more obscure ones like my own alma mater’s Special Collections Library at James Madison University, all had a chance to share their objects, and their missions, with a global audience. By the time the Bomb Cyclone dissipated, posts with the #MuseumSnowballFight hashtag had been viewed over 20 million times worldwide. So, who started the Museum Snowball Fight? My guests today are Meredith Duncan, Social Media Manager at the Museum of the City of New York, and Claire Lanier, Social Media and Content Manager at the New-York Historical Society. In May of this year, they were the co-recipients of a Media and Technology Silver MUSE Award for the #MuseumSnowballFight Twitter campaign. When I first saw the American Alliance of Museums had given the award to both of them, I wondered how two people from two different institutions on opposite sides of Central Park could have collaborated on something so successfully? Well, I asked them. And that’s where we’ll pick up the conversation. First, here’s Meredith. She and Claire joined me over Skype. MEREDITH: Yeah, let’s see. What’s the Museum Snowball Fight origin story? I’m at Museum of the City of New York on the East side of Central Park, and Claire’s at the New York Historical Society on the Westside. We’ve been talking for a little while about how we could work together, maybe. How we could do something that was maybe playful, maybe a little competitive. How could we get our institutions to talk to each other online? So we’d sort of been just thinking about that for a while, and then, on that very snowy day, it kind of just seemed like the right moment to try something. CLAIRE: So what was cool about it, it was totally organic. Meredith just called me on the phone and said, “Oh, you’re at work, too,” and I said, “Yeah, I’m at work,” and we’re both here at work in the middle of this big snowstorm. So we’re like, oh, if we had to trudge all the way into work, let’s just do something fun today. So it was really an organic, informal type of idea. NICK: And so you guys — you were friends already? You kind of have a similar role at two different institutions. What’s your connection to each other? CLAIRE: We actually met at a museum social media managers meetup. NICK: That’s very specific. MEREDITH: Yeah, at the Frick, I believe. CLAIRE: At the time, Meredith was at the Brooklyn Historical Society, and I’m at the New-York Historical Society, so we just hit it off personally, and were really invested in what each other were doing at our different institutions. MEREDITH: And it’s kind of fun, I think, to connect with another history institution. It’s definitely really helpful to talk to social media managers who work at any kind of museum. Because we’re all dealing with some similar challenges, but there is something specific about being at a history institution and what kinds of stories you’re trying to tell, and what your resources are, versus talking with someone at an art institution or a library or something like that. So I think that added to the excitement of, “Oh, you’re doing such similar work to what I’m doing. Let’s talk about it!” NICK: I wanted to ask more about the Museum Snowball Fight, but along the lines of what you were just saying, what are the challenges you face as a social media manager for a history institution? You mentioned resources, you know, I have this notion that you’ve got so many stories out there, that you’ve got a million posts at your fingertips, what are the challenges for not just choosing which stories to share, but, I guess, having the input from other people in your institution. CLAIRE: I would say one of the chief challenges at a history museum in particular that I’ve found, and I’ve been at other history museums as well… Social media is conversational. That’s the social part of the social media, and history is very political. And so when you work at an apolitical organization, which most museums are, that can be a really — not to use a museum snowball fight pun — but that can be an icy path to walk on. So I think, to me, that’s one of the foremost challenges of history museums is finding ways to talk about things that are political in history without taking political stances, which I think is unique to history museums. MEREDITH: Yeah, I would add to that that history museums and historical societies — not every geographic region or city even has a history museum. We grow out of historical societies often, and those are small, often volunteer-run places to begin with. So the actual resources is a challenge. We have to work with curators, or content experts, about what we’re going to talk about and everyone is doing three jobs at once. So the access to that knowledge can be a challenge, and then our collections are vast. But our resource challenge for history institutions is having the funding to process those collections. So even if we have tons and tons of photos or ephemera or objects, someone needs to go through and catalog those and discover what the stories might be behind them. So, yeah, resources, which I guess is true for any non-profit or any museum. History museums tend to be the smaller ones so it’s a particular challenge. CLAIRE: And to add to that, I would say, too, that as anyone who runs social media for any organization anywhere knows, that it’s so image-based. If you don’t have a good photo, you don’t have a good post. And so it’s a real luxury. I’m lucky at the New York Historical Society that we’ve had so many of our collections and photographs digitized at really high resolutions. But on a day to day basis of challenges, I’ve worked at a lot of smaller institutions where you don’t have as much digitized, and that really is an impediment to what you’re able to talk about. NICK: Do you all have — this would be a question for either of you — do you have any sort of editorial calendar, or are you trying to line up your social media efforts with other marketing campaigns, or other curatorial initiatives? Exhibitions? How do you plan for it, and how much of it is spontaneous? CLAIRE: Well, I will answer that because I recently put together a really comprehensive editorial calendar, which is a very challenging thing to do when you’re a singular social media manager. And, actually, I recall at the first meeting at the Frick, when I met Meredith, someone asked the question who was new at this and said, how much should I plan in advance? Should I have a week scheduled in advance? Should I have two weeks scheduled in advance? And someone said, “Oh my god, I’m lucky if I have a day scheduled in advance. My goal is just to get something out at all.” And so often that’s really the challenge, which I totally understand. I’ve had the accidental benefit, and challenge, of working with some really long-lead exhibitions where we have to have a lot of approvals for the content that we’re posting. So that has forced me to create really long leads of content — like seven months, essentially, based on exhibition schedules and curatorial demands, but that’s really — that’s hard. NICK: Yeah, I guess there’s things you can plan for, but it almost feels like antithetical to social media have things planned so far in advance, right? MEREDITH: That’s true. I think that, especially at a museum where so much of your content is related to exhibitions, then planning ahead really makes sense and is helpful. You have access to the images that relate to that exhibition, and those are planned many, many months to years in advance. So you can be thinking about, how do I want to be using these images, how could I do something a little bit different? I loved how the Brooklyn Museum, for their Bowie exhibition, they obviously had to plan this very far in advance, they had a huge Bowie cutout that they brought to all of these different places in New York City, these iconic locations, neighborhood locations, and took pictures of Bowie on the Brooklyn Bridge, or at a deli, or that kind of thing. So, to execute something like that, you need months in advance to make that happen. But it’s creative, and it’s playful, and I think it did really well on their social media streams. But then you also need to be flexible. It sounds so silly, but yesterday was the Brooklyn Bridge’s birthday, and I didn’t have that on my calendar anywhere. So I was able to just jump on it and share something, you know? You need to have room in your calendar, to adjust to things that are happening in the world, or things that you kind of overlooked, but planning ahead is so important as well. NICK: Well, I wanted to ask you about how your social media strategy sort of fits into the broader strategy of your respective institutions. CLAIRE: Our mission first and foremost is to educate that public. I essentially adhere to that on our social media channels and I tend to operate in the 70/30 best practices for social media marketing in general, which is that you’re only selling to your audiences 30% of the time. 70% of the time, you’re just giving them what they came for, which is the content and the education. And so, for us, I really strive to make that parallel, so that our social media channels really do reflect our mission of educating the public. It sounds sort of simple, but that’s really my driving force. MEREDITH: Yeah, I think that’s the same for me, and trying to share content that is information that people might not know, and something new for them to learn that day. And also trying to reach new audiences, younger audiences, who might not know about our museum already, or might not have visited us before. And that sort of brings it back to #MuseumSnowballFight in my mind, because Claire and I talked a lot about how when museums collaborate, we not only get to share our own followings with each other, and introduce our own followings to each other, but in the case of #MuseumSnowballFight, where something had so many institutions involved and went viral, we were reaching people who don’t usually follow museums. And that’s one of my goals, too. I want to talk to people who wouldn’t automatically choose to follow a museum, or wouldn’t think that a museum is something that they would want to interact with. I want to reach those people, show them that it’s interesting, we’re fun, informative, and hopefully that would translate into people walking into our museum. Because that is a big goal of our general marketing efforts at the Museum of the City of New York, is to turn eyeballs who see information about us on their screens into people coming and visiting. NICK: What sort of feedback did you get back from people on social media from Museum Snowball Fight? Within the museum world, like from other institutions, but also from those folks you mentioned who maybe don’t think museums are fun or wouldn’t have followed you otherwise? CLAIRE: It was the best. I’ll just say that. It was the best. It was so overwhelmingly positive and people were so excited like Meredith was just saying. It’s such a cool, fun, opportunity to showcase that museums are fun places that don’t always take themselves so seriously. And I think people within the museum world really saw that an appreciated it. MEREDITH: Yeah, having people tweeting that– one of my favorites was that the museum snowball fight was “profound nerdery”, which was just the greatest compliment you could ever get. And then on a more institutional level, someone was like, “this is why we need to fund museums and education,” and I was like, “yeah, that’s right!” NICK: That’s awesome! MEREDITH: So it was really nice to see that kind of response. And then, with other museums, we were just really touched that other museums agreed to participate, so that was really wonderful to see. And we like to think that one reason that many people participated, beyond the fact that everyone was just talking about snow that day and it kind of made sense for everyone to participate, was that it was a low-stakes involvement. Most museums, whether you’re a history museum, or an art museum, or a natural history museum, you might have something in your collection that has to do with snow. It’s such a broad topic, so we felt like it was easy for other institutions to jump onboard. And that’s really important when this is a spontaneous piece of content. This isn’t something that you spent a couple months preparing for, and you might not have been in the office that day, so it’s something, hopefully, that was easy for people to be a part of. CLAIRE: And I think the thing that– Meredith and I were so excited that it reached so many people worldwide, we were so honored to get an AAM award related to the Museum Snowball Fight. All of that was great. But I think the point of pride primarily is that for every Smithsonian and major museum that tweeted, there were about 30 smaller, local museums throughout the country that were able to participate. So the campaign was really fed by local or state museums or organizations or libraries, and so that was just really awesome to get smaller places up on a larger map. Because that’s really difficult to do, so anytime that a larger organization can offer that opportunity is valuable. NICK: Yeah, and what a gift that is to these smaller institutions. In my role as a content strategist, one of the things that I’m trying to help museums do is to illuminate objects that there may not be space for in a gallery, or that somebody might not have found. Because online, you don’t have a limited amount of space, and so to be able to have some sort of theme, or game, or campaign like the museum snowball fight, now all of the sudden, “Oh, wow, yeah, we can start pulling up stuff that we haven’t exhibited in a while, or that has just been collecting dust in the archives.” So that was the thing that really got me excited about what you all did and then going through the hashtag and seeing all these wonderful objects that might not have seen the light of day. And even if they had, they’re spread all over the world. And so here’s one place you can go…

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    Episode 3: Jennifer Dasal of the North Carolina Museum of Art May 16, 2018
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    My guest is Jennifer Dasal, Associate Curator of Contemporary Art at the North Carolina Museum of Art. She’s also the host of the ArtCurious podcast. In each episode of ArtCurious, Jennifer sheds light on some of the most unexpected, mysterious, and, well, curious stories in art history. And she does so in a way that is not only unique but also, as Salon.com put it, “non-boring”. As anyone who works at a museum knows, different visitors have different levels of interest in the work you do and the objects you collect. Think of the teenager who is tagging along with their parents, or the person just trying to impress a first date by taking them to a museum. To them, your galleries are just filled with old… stuff. How do you engage those people with the stories behind the stuff? Well, Jennifer understands those people because, as she told me, she used to be one of them. I asked Jennifer where her story ideas come from, how much work goes into an episode, and, what would the mission statement be if her podcast were a museum? *FULL TRANSCRIPT* NICK: Hi, and welcome to What’s On, the Cuberis Podcast. I’m Nick Faber. My guest today is Jennifer Dasal, Associate Curator of Contemporary Art at the North Carolina Museum of Art. She’s also the host of the ArtCurious podcast. You know, we like to joke around at Cuberis about how boring the word “Content” is. It feels sterile, devoid of humanity, obligatory. But what we really mean when we talk about your museum’s content — your blogs, your digital stories, your podcasts — is storytelling. Every object in your museum’s collection has a story, or sometimes, usually, many stories. Especially when you look at them through the perspective of different people, like your educators, or your curators, or even you visitors. Technology has made it easier than ever to produce “content”. The difficult part is deciding which stories to tell, and how to tell them. In each episode of her podcast, ArtCurious, Jennifer Dasal sheds light on some of the most unexpected, mysterious, and, well, curious stories in art history. And she does so in a way that is not only unique — with humor and the type of intrigue you would expect from a true crime podcast — but also, as Salon.com put it, “non-boring”. As anyone who works at a museum knows, different visitors have different levels of interest in the work you do and the objects you collect. Think of the teenager who is tagging along with their parents, or the person just trying to impress a first date by taking them to a museum. To them, your galleries are just filled with old… stuff. How do you engage those people with the stories behind the stuff? Well, Jennifer understands those people because, as she told me, she used to be one of them. And that’s where we’ll pick up the conversation. JENNIFER: So one of the reasons I started the podcast was actually because I used to be somebody who did not like art, at all. It wasn’t something that I grew up being exposed to. We had art class in my school when I was growing up, in elementary school, but I didn’t find it interesting. It wasn’t something that happened frequently. It was extremely occasionally that we would have a class. And for me, it was all pretty torturous because I didn’t feel like I had any artistic skill, nor did I know anything about the art that I was supposed to be looking at and enjoying. So I grew up thinking art was pretty boring. Fast-forward about twenty years, and suddenly I’m an art history major. Long story short, I discovered that art was actually not boring when you have the right teacher telling you about it and giving you the right cool stories behind it. And I was so excited, that that sensation of learning and having a teacher who was really inspiring to me always stuck with me. And even now, in my day job as a curator, I feel like I run into two groups of people. And the first group of people are the people who say I’m at the museum all the time, I’m a member, I love being here. And then there’s the people who are like I used to be. And they would say, I’m only here because my mom wanted me to be here today and I’m so bored and it just doesn’t do it for me. And I’ve had people tell me, over and over again, that to them it’s just a picture on the wall, and that it doesn’t have any sort of life or energy to it. And I always kept coming back to thinking that that was a shame, but that I understand that impulse because I used to feel the exact same way. So I was thinking the best way to do it sometimes is just to tell these weird stories that you might not have heard before. And part of that is, for people who might not have heard these stories before, maybe they’re novices. Maybe it can get them interested in art a little bit more. But then, for people who already say that the like art, maybe these are stories that they never heard in their traditional art history courses. So I try to tell stories that are a little — I call them — unexpected, slightly odd, and strangely wonderful. So a little bit off the beaten path. NICK: What was the moment… why did you decide a podcast was the right medium for doing this, as opposed to, say, a blog or just the work that you do in the museum? JENNIFER: And you know, thinking about it now in retrospect and with 20-20 vision, I always think, oh how bizarre that I chose to do a podcast for a visual medium. But I think it really just came down to storytelling for me. For me, I’ve been listening to podcasts for years, and I think that they’re — it’s like grown-up storytime, and I am constantly listening to them. It’s the background noise of my life, and I learn so much from podcasts, and I find so much enjoyment. And I think I was one of those people that doesn’t realize how difficult podcasting could actually be and how much time it takes. And so it was simply a matter of thinking, ooh, I like podcasting, that looks like fun, I’ll do it! And also the thing I like about podcasting is that I think it’s a very accessible medium. As long as you have access to a smartphone, or a computer, or something like that, you have the technology available. Because it’s free! And as long as you have that, you know how to access a podcast, I’m going to give you all this free material. So I hope it’s something fun and educational at the same time. NICK: So when you jumped in without really knowing all that goes into a podcast, what sort of things surprised you as you started producing your own? JENNIFER: The time and the workload, I think, was the big thing. I knew nothing about editing before starting this. I had to learn everything on my own, crash course, as I was experiencing it. So knowing that what would end up being a half-hour episode or a 45-minute episode, would take me weeks to complete from start to finish was a very enlightening experience. It was really eye-opening. Eventually, I had to cut down what was, now I see as being a really unrealistic amount of episodes I had in mind for myself, and an episode delivery calendar, and narrow down simply because the workload was very intense. But now that I think about it, I don’t know that I would have wanted to know just how intense it was because not knowing really gave myself permissions to just do it and see what happens without being nervous or frustrated up front. NICK: Yeah, yeah, and I think that’s something that keeps a lot of people from trying new things or innovative things because it seems so daunting. And so without knowing that ahead of time, you were in it already, so you had to keep going. So, you mentioned the editorial calendar and how you had originally planned to have more stories than you have produced, or are able to produce. How do you pick which stories to tell when, and what does having a calendar and an editorial plan do to really help you produce regular stories for your podcast? JENNIFER: Just with the podcast, and also just with any job in a creative field like a museum, I feel like you’re surrounded by people who have so many ideas and stories to tell, and so for me, organization is key. It’s the bottom line. So I have to have a physical calendar, a paper calendar, that I look at and that helps me to see how I can divide my time, and also to see if there are any interesting correlations I can make in the stories I want to tell. I don’t have a whole lot of those in this current season, but I have done them before where I will plan an episode about two artists that are in a relationship together around Valentine’s Day. Or I will put some information out about artists who were in World War II around Armed Forces Day, for example. So a lot of that is also just planning ahead and looking at the calendar, and seeing what connections I can make. But in terms of coming up with now with the stories and how I determine the stories I want to tell, I originally began during my first season of my podcast by telling whatever story I wanted whenever it came up. The idea would come up and I’d say, oh great, that’ll be my next episode! Then I’d go forward with writing. Now I’m a lot more thoughtful and careful about it in that I’ve come up with themes for a whole season. And then I plan a number of episodes around that theme. And I’m more thoughtful about in what order I want them to be produced. Before, I did not do that at all, and so now it’s much more detailed like that. NICK: Could you talk a little bit about, specifically, what goes into the episodes? So you talked about how you pick the stories, then where does the content come from? JENNIFER: Yeah. I begin everything with a series of research. Now I have a really good advantage in that I’m an art museum curator and, literally, 20 steps away from my desk at work is an art research library. It’s very well maintained, I have hundreds and thousands of books I can choose from to do research from, and same with periodicals, online materials. So I use that to my advantage to start doing the groundwork for any episode that I’m going to be doing. And I have a serious period of anywhere from about five days to two weeks, depending on my episode and how significant I feel the workload will be, to specifically research how I want to frame my story, what the facts are, and then how I want to spin it into a cohesive narrative. So that’s the most difficult and time-intensive process. Then, when I actually have the narrative written out, I write every single episode out, it’s a solo voice, a single-voice podcast, and it’s all scripted. Then I go into my recording studio, which is my closet, then I record it. And then I go into the post-production period. I’m very lucky in that I now have somebody who produces my show for me. So I hand over the file, and then he does all the editing work and all the post-production. But it takes him, I still think, a few days to turn something around once you come up with all the edits and the cleanups, adding music, adding anything else, additional ads and so forth. So at any given time, I usually am working on two to three episodes. I would have one that I’m just finishing writing, one that’s in the process of being produced, and one that I’m starting the research process of. So, I’m usually trying to juggle a couple things at once. NICK: Where does the seed of any given idea come from? JENNIFER: Some if comes from just things that I remember when I was in school. Like the very first episode that I did for ArtCurious stemmed from really a haphazard thought that one of my art professors threw out when I was in college and we were learning about Renaissance art. And she was telling us all about the Mona Lisa, and in the middle of just discussing why this is an important and famous painting, she said, oh but, by the way, it’s fake. And I said I have no idea what you’re talking about right now. And she really didn’t go into a huge amount of detail, but enough just to say, oh, it was stolen a few times, and in the 20th Century, when one of the people who stole it was a known art thief, and art forger, so it’s entirely possible that in that time they created an amazing forgery, and that’s what I think is on view at the Louvre. And onward to the next subject. So she never talked about it, I never thought to follow up and ask, but that story stuck with me for, literally it’s been decades now. And that was the first episode because I thought, I really want to know that story. I want to know what would make somebody who seems very logical, and thoughtful, and obviously hugely intelligent, think that the most famous piece of art in the world is not the real deal. And that is what started the podcast. NICK: With a story like that, you are sort of setting a tone and coming up with your own perspective and voice for all the subsequent episodes after that. Could you talk a little about how that experience with imagining and producing the first episode sort of led to, OK, now I kind of get what the tone, or what the sort of theme of my podcast is. JENNIFER: Yeah, I would say a lot of things I’m going for is sometimes an element, a little bit of mystery, or something very different and unexpected. So I might go a little bit into what an art term like chiaroscuro means, but I’m not going to lecture you on art history or why a work of art is such a masterpiece. I mainly want to give you the human story, or just a weird story. Something that will make you look at something and want to go a little bit deeper instead of just saying, oh, that’s a pretty sculpture. Moving on. So I do want to have that kind of weird element to it. So this season, I’m going into a whole slew of episodes that’s all about rivalries. And I figure that that central idea of conflict is something that everyone has experienced, that everyone can understand. And it might bring something that looks like an old work of art — something that’s 400, 500 years old — to light in a new way when you think about the struggles that people had between one another in creating these works of art. You know, were they in competition with one another? Were they artists who used to be friends and then got in a big squabble? Were they enemies? And just really get you to look at art in a different way. That’s my number one goal. NICK: Great. And how would you say that relates to the work you do as a curator, or if at all? And does one influence the other? JENNIFER: Definitely. I would say I’ve specifically chosen not to talk about contemporary art. I’ve specifically chosen to look at what I lovingly call “the old stuff”. Part of that’s because I don’t spend my day looking at the old stuff, I spend my day with the newest, and the freshest and most exciting works of art, in my opinion. So I like to do that so that there’s a differentiation between my day job and my little passion project on the side. The other thing is that I don’t necessarily want there to be an overlap because I find fulfillment in my day job and I don’t want to overdo it enough in my side project there. So it’s a way for me to kind of get this larger, holistic view of art history and enjoy both parts of it, if that makes any sense. NICK: Totally. Yeah, that’s great. So if you were, say, a museum, what would you say your mission with the podcast is, and, more concretely, what the goal for it is? JENNIFER: I think the mission for it is just to expand art, visual art in particular, and art history to a large audience. Because something we see in the museum, and in museums in general, that I think also relates to the podcast is that there’s still this sensation that art is very singular in that it’s meant for one particular group of people. We’ve been talking a lot recently across the museum board, as a museum community, about diversity in museums, about degentrification, because art is still seen as being something that is really meant for the elite. And there is also this sensation that it’s really hard to understand. And those people are really hard for people to overcome. Myself, having that experi…

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    Episode 2: Philip Leers of Hammer Museum Apr 11, 2018
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    Take a moment and think about all of the materials that go into an exhibition. It’s a lot, right? Objects, documents, essays, labels, not to mention the installation itself. And your museum can only fit so much of that into its physical space. What about all of the other stories that end up on the cutting room floor? The outtakes? What about the stories that get generated during and after the exhibition? With your museum’s website, the only limitations to the stories you can share are time and resources. And those are real. But with a little bit of planning, you can come up with a strategy for enhancing your collections and exhibitions online. And that’s exactly what the Hammer Museum has done. Today I’m talking with Philip Leers, Project Manager for Digital Initiatives at the Hammer Museum, about telling a museum’s stories online. **FULL TRANSCRIPT** NICK: Hi, and welcome to What’s On, the Cuberis podcast. I’m Nick Faber. Today I’m talking with Philip Leers, Project Manager for Digital Initiatives at the Hammer Museum, about telling a museum’s stories online. Now… Take a moment and think about all of the materials that go into an exhibition. It’s a lot, right? Objects, documents, essays, labels, not to mention the installation itself. And your museum can only fit so much of that into its physical space. What about all of the other stories that end up on the cutting room floor? The outtakes? What about the stories that get generated during and after the exhibition? With your museum’s website, the only limitations to the stories you can share are time and resources. And those are real. But with a little bit of planning, you can come up with a strategy for enhancing your collections and exhibitions online. And that’s exactly what the Hammer Museum has done. The Hammer’s digital archives are a fantastic example of using technology to illuminate a museum’s hidden treasures and augmenting those on view. If you haven’t seen what we’re talking about, I’d encourage you to head over to hammer.ucla.edu and click on “Exhibitions.” You’ll find the Expanded Digital Archives on the right-hand side. So, I spoke with the Hammer’s Philip Leers over Skype and asked him to talk about the work that goes into these projects. We talked about planning, collaborating, and the value of creating goals for individual projects. First, I wanted to know who exactly worked on the Digital Archives, and that’s where we’ll pick up the conversation. PHILIP: For some of the Digital Archives — that’s the term we use for the projects — we’ve done two that were for exhibitions, so the websites are built around all of the materials that go around planning the exhibition and that came out of the exhibition. So, essays for the catalog, and label text, and images of the installation, and any material we could get our hands on. So the material is coming from curatorial, but, in terms of the building, this is part of our website, which falls under our communications team, so I work really closely with them. Our IT, our registrars, everybody comes into contact with the project at some point. NICK: Got it. And so, you said you’re building it out of all of the materials that go into the exhibition, are there also things that don’t make it into the exhibition that, because you’re using a digital platform, that you’re able to bring online? PHILIP: Yeah, absolutely, and that was one of the big things we talked about. We didn’t want to just recreate the catalog, we didn’t want to do a virtual exhibition. We wanted to include things from both the exhibition and the catalog, but we also figured we’re making these after the fact, we’re doing them on a platform that offers us all new capabilities. So some of the things that we included, we could only do because we’re doing it kind of retrospectively. So we could include press reviews of the show, we can include images of the shows and other materials if it traveled to different venues. So if you’re interested in studying the exhibition, you’re not just seeing how the Hammer did it, you’re seeing how the next museum did it in terms of how they marketed it, in terms of how they installed the show, in terms of how they framed it. So we were always looking for opportunities to expand beyond what we’ve been able to provide in the past, in addition to all of those things that we were able to provide, but are either no longer available because the show is down or because the catalog is out of print or what have you. And this is one aspect where doing it after the fact is kind of helpful because a lot of the people who worked on the exhibition may not even be at the museum anymore. So it reflects a whole new perspective that we’re bringing to it. And we want to encourage that, rather than discourage that because that’s all added value for us. NICK: Wow. That’s really interesting that you’re able to look at it from sort of a positive perspective. Because I would think that while people are working on the physical exhibition, that it’s top of mind, you have all of those resources at your fingertips, people have stories that they’re uncovering, things like that. And if those folks have left, then you’re kind of on your own to do detective work to put it back together. But it sounds like what you’re saying is that it’s almost an advantage because now you can almost present it from a different point of view. PHILIP: Yeah. We were sort of forced to take that approach, and I think it works out well. There are definitely some challenges that come from looking back. The first project we launched was the digital archive for Now Dig This!: Art and Black Los Angeles 1960–1980, which was up in 2011. And so we’re working on it three years after the fact, basically. And the challenges that come from it are, like you said, that the people might not be on staff who were working on it, which, in this case, they weren’t. And you have to be reliant on the file keeping at your institution and the people who were around when the show was up. So we had a lot of resources on staff who, even if they didn’t work directly on the show, were around. And, in the end, I think it’s fun to think of it as sort of bringing this thing that’s gone back to life, and giving it kind of a second life that’s different from the first, but that carries on what it accomplished and makes it available for hopefully a whole new audience of people. NICK: Has there been any effort or desire to make them sort of more contemporaneous to a physical exhibit at the time that it’s in the museum? Or even thinking about it before something goes up? PHILIP: Yes, actually. And it’s good that you ask. Now I’m working on the digital archive for an exhibition called Radical Women: Latin American Art, 1960–1985. That’s a show that just came down from the Hammer and it’s now traveling. It’s going to be up at the Brooklyn Museum very soon, I believe. So we still have the curatorial team that worked on the show, and I’m getting to see what it means to work on the digital archive in a much more contemporaneous way. I was able to let the curatorial associate know, these are the materials I want to include in the website, this is the format that we like to have them in. If you can work them into your workflow, it makes my life that much easier. And I have to say, it has. It’s really great to have that. And if I have a question, to have somebody two feet away who I know knows the answer. So I think this is an opportunity to see how it is to build a digital archive alongside an exhibition. In terms of making the research and the material gathering easier, it’s been a huge difference, and I’m really excited. It’s exciting to work alongside the team, too, and to feel like you’re part of this project that — I’ve been at the Hammer since the Radical Women show was being conceived, and now it’s great to take the ball and run with it. I’m enjoying it. NICK: So you mentioned it’s great working along with the team. You mean your curatorial team, right? PHILIP: It’s the curatorial team, but like I said, all of these projects — one of the first things I realized is that you can’t be an island. You need to reach out and, especially with technology projects in museums, because tech stuff doesn’t just stay in one area. It bleeds into everything. So, I work closely with communications and IT, and our development team in terms of fundraising, and our finance team in terms of the budget, and our registrars in terms of our cataloging information and things like that. So, yeah, the research is coming from curatorial, and I’m working closely with them, but as always, I’m always trying to pull other people into my orbit. NICK: That’s awesome. So that sort of leads me into something else I wanted to ask about. How would you say your online and digital initiatives support the Hammer’s mission? PHILIP: Our mission is that “The Hammer believes in the promise of art ideas to illuminate our lives and build a more just world”, which I’m reading off my screen. I don’t have it memorized. But certainly, I keep the mission in mind. I think of the mission of the museum and the mission of my individual projects as being concentric circles. So I’ll kind of have my own, or the team will have its own mission for the project, and our goal is for that mission to help fulfill the mission of the institution as a whole. NICK: So I saw that you taught a course with UCLA’s Digital Humanities program. Is that something you still do? How did that come about? What were the lessons that you were trying to teach the students as they prepared for their final projects? PHILIP: The course was one of the most rewarding things I’ve gotten to do. It was really a fun and exciting opportunity that I never thought that I would have. It came about when I started the position in 2014. One of the first things I did was reach out to Miriam Posner, who’s the coordinator of the Center for Digital Humanities at UCLA just to set a meeting, and let her know what I was doing, and to see if there was any way for the Hammer to partner with Digital Humanities at the University. And she threw out the idea of me teaching a course, which I was totally not expecting. But, of course, I’m not going to say no to that opportunity. I love teaching, and one of the goals of the grant is to strengthen our connection to UCLA, which is our parent organization. We’re part of the UCLA family. I was looking for any opportunity to get my work to intersect with what UCLA is doing. So the course that I thought of was a project-based course focused on the Franklin Murphy Sculpture Garden, which is on UCLA’s campus. It’s the center of their north campus, where the humanities buildings are. The works themselves are in the Hammer’s collection, so it’s this shared space that I thought would be a really great topic for coursework. In the first quarter, they generated a research project, and it included a proposal for a digital aspect of the project. And that’s what the next quarter, the Spring quarter, was designed to help them realize those projects based on their research. The ideas that come out of it are really inspiring, and whether or not it becomes a project for the Hammer, it helps to see how other people use your resources. NICK: So that seems like a good opportunity to segue into what advice would you give to other folks who work at museums who have the task of creating digital stories or content. If they were you or students… or maybe I shouldn’t put it that way. I guess, just broadly speaking, from your experience, whether it be as a teacher or a project manager who works with a lot of people and you understand different departments and their own goals and needs. What advice would you give to somebody who has a task like you’ve had of telling the stories of their museums and the works online in a really meaningful way that does help fulfill their mission? PHILIP: A lot of it specific to the institution. Every museum is different and will have different stories to tell and different ways of telling those stories. But some of the lessons that I’ve learned: One is to build a strong team. You get into a lot of problems if you try to silo these projects, if you think, oh, this is just a curatorial thing, this is just tech thing, or this is just a marketing thing. I just find that you strengthen the team by getting more people invested. It helps to bring in different perspectives that you might not have thought about yourself. You don’t want to get yourself into an echo chamber, you don’t want to be the one person making a decision on everything. And that’s one of the great things about museums, is that you’re surrounded by really smart and capable people with different areas of expertise. If it’s not obvious, I’m speaking from experience where when I started, I felt a lot more isolated and alone, and as I started to get more connected with the staff, and as new staff members were brought onboard, and new people joined the team, the change was like night and day. As soon as I was able to have this kind of support system, which is not just support for me but support for the project, all of whom are, no matter what their relationship to the project is, they start to get involved in it. It helps to make a project like mine, which is grant-funded. So, in a way, it’s sort of separated from the rest of what the museum does. So, kind of getting my hooks into all of these departments helps keep me tethered to what the museum is doing, and makes the project feel a lot more organic to the museum, and a lot more kind of naturally a part of a lot of the stuff that we’re doing. And that’s really important, I think. You want that institutional buy-in. You don’t want to create these projects or products that, even if they’re great, they feel like this whole separate thing to what the museum does. NICK: Yeah. So, is part of getting that buy-in demonstrating the value of the work that you’re doing? PHILIP: I think that that’s at the basis. And if you can’t get buy-in on that, you’re in trouble. But that’s the whole– the great thing about a project like mine that is built on our past exhibitions and our collections, of course, we care about these things. These are the center of what the museum does and the center of what we value. So I felt very sure throughout the entire process of every project that none of this stuff is unimportant to the people around me. The entire museum needs to be committed to how we treat that kind of material because that’s at the heart of what museums are about. Art museums, specifically I’m speaking about. And that’s kind of where the idea that we were talking about earlier, about fulfilling the mission statement for the museum and having that kind of coincide with the mission of the project itself. That’s where that becomes really important. Because as you’re working on a project, it’s easy to get lost in the details. But we always went back to that goal of, are we creating good content for an academic audience? Are we making this tailored to the researchers that we’re supposed to be serving? And I’m happy that I can look at all of the projects that we’ve launched and say that we have accomplished that goal. NICK: That was Philip Leers of the Hammer Museum. I want to thank Philip for taking time to share with us, and I want to thank you for listening. If you want to subscribe to future episodes of What’s On, or download our Ebook, The Art of Storytelling, head on over to Cuberis.com and click “What’s On”. And if you know of any great examples of museum content, or maybe you’ve produced some yourself, send me an email. I’d love to showcase your work. You can reach me at nick@cuberis.com. Until next time, I’m Nick Faber. What’s your story? And how will you tell it?

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    Episode 1: Karen Kelly of the North Carolina Museum of Art Apr 05, 2018
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    Karen Kelly

    When I first came across Circa, the blog of the North Carolina Museum of Art (NCMA), I could immediately tell that they recognized the amazing potential of the blog platform. With its weekly schedule, high-quality stories, rich media, and even its own name, Circa is far more than a museum…blog.

    I spoke with Karen Kelly, the Senior Editor at NCMA. She has been managing NCMA’s blog since it was relaunched as Circa. We talked about the role of the museum’s blog, how she gets participation from a wide array of museum staff, and how she manages to keep it all organized and consistent.

    **FULL TRANSCRIPT**

    Hi, and welcome to What’s On. I’m Nick Faber, Director of Content Strategy at Cuberis. My guest today is Karen Kelly, senior editor at the North Carolina Museum of Art. And we’re going to be talking about the museum’s blog.

    In my job, I spend a lot of time looking at museum websites, and one pain point that I often find is the museum blog. I did an unscientific study for an article we wrote a few months ago, and out of 100 museum websites I looked at, only 51 had blogs. 8 of those hadn’t been updated in over a year. I could just imagine someone sitting at their desk, asking, “What should I write today?” And I guess if the answer is unclear, it’s easier to write nothing at all.

    Which is a shame. Your museum is full of more stories than you can fit in your physical space, and a blog is the easiest solution for telling them online. But without any strategic focus or planning, the blog can become an afterthought.

    When I first came across Circa, the blog of the North Carolina Museum of Art, or NCMA, I could immediately tell that they recognized the amazing potential of the blog platform. With its weekly schedule, high-quality stories, rich media, and even its own name, Circa is far more than a museum…blog.

    I spoke with Karen Kelly of NCMA. She’s a writer and editor and has been managing NCMA’s blog since it was relaunched as Circa. She talked about the role of the museum’s blog, how she gets participation from a wide array of museum staff, and how she manages to keep it all organized and consistent.

    First, I asked her about her position of Senior Editor at the museum.

    KAREN: Well, as you say, I work as a writer and editor at the museum and I’m positioned at the nexus of several departments. Of course, marketing and publications, and interpretation and curatorial, and also membership and development. So, juggling a lot. If there’s a baseball analogy–which there isn’t–but if I had to come up with one it would be shortstop, third base coach, catcher, batboy, and groundskeeper. A lot of groundskeeping.

    So how does the blog fit into that? I work with an associate editor–I have to–who is priceless. So what comes across an editor’s desk at a museum is anything from exhibition scripts to the humble business card. Beautifully designed catalogs to restaurant menus and anything that we produce that has text on it. So I collaborate with teams on creating content, and also refining content, and joining in on those conversations about how to communicate to the public in the most effective way.

    The blog is a part of that, and also a part of our marketing scheme, but it’s very Janus-faced. It looks both at how can we create content that extends the mission of our exhibition, but also how do we draw people to our exhibitions, and I think a blog post can do both.

    NICK: You mentioned helping to fulfill the mission of the exhibitions, how does that fit into the overall mission of the museum?

    KAREN: So it’s part of our marketing campaign, but it’s integrated into our exhibition goals and our marketing goals. Our goals for our permanent collection, and our goals for getting folks to the museum, but also informing them and luring them to the museum. I don’t think we could sustain the blog if it weren’t integrated.

    And it came about as the direct result, I’m frank to say, of a budget cut to our print budget. So we wanted to maintain–and a necessary cut–we wanted to maintain our connection to our membership, so we were publishing a bimonthly members’ magazine that then got reduced to a quarterly, and then to an annual. So we still produce an annual. So that’s where some of the magazine feel comes from. Also, we wanted to carry readers and members and visitors over to the digital experience a bit more. And digital offers so many more opportunities and enlivens the content that we lost in the magazine. So that was exciting to me.

    So we launched it with new goals in mind, a title. I don’t that it’s a brand, really. I think of “brand” as a larger term for the museum as a whole. But I like the idea of a brand for it. I don’t know that it’s that focused, but it definitely has a status–we wanted it to have the status of our magazine. And I think that draws participation internally, as well.

    The more we edit it, the more we make it look nice, folks are happy once they see their name. There’s a byline for our authors. There’s a headshot. So there are some particulars that help give Circa a little more status than when it was just our blog.

    NICK: Yeah, I think “blog” is the worst word for online content, and then “content” is the second worst word.

    KAREN: Right, “content.” Such marketing speak. We know what we mean!

    NICK: Yeah, exactly, and then followed by “thought leadership”.

    KAREN: Yes, right.

    NICK: Who contributes to Circa, and how are assignments given, things like that?

    KAREN: So in terms of who authors, it’s almost like All Things Considered. We take content and stories from the entire staff. So we’ve had a post from a security guard who wanted to write on a piece. So, all ideas are considered, and what it took on the outset was letting folks know that we were receiving ideas. “Pitch me something,” is basically how I treated it.

    So that meant initially meeting with a couple of focus groups, and that was very productive, but I knew I couldn’t sustain that. It could almost become oppressive to bring the staff in on a monthly basis, at least in our midsized museum. We’re all wearing a lot of hats.

    So that initially helped a great deal, but anyone can write for Circa. It’s important to have editorial filters there. It helps bring the writing up for less-experienced writers. We want to hear their stories as well, but we want to bring it place where the reader doesn’t stumble or get distracted over minor issues.

    A lot of the stories are buried within departments, and once a department knows that we want to hear these stories, people stop me in the hallway. So it’s disciplined in the sense that I’m recruiting on a quarterly basis, but I meet individually–maybe it’s 15 minutes–I meet with someone over coffee and we generate a few ideas. And there are a couple of sources that now I have.

    And now it’s running like a well-oiled machine almost. Folks are contacting me, and it’s very exciting. But we didn’t start out that way. I definitely had to recruit that and develop that feeling of, “I’d love to hear your ideas, but also how about this?” And that’s not to say that I don’t go and ask for stories.

    But an editor, unlike, say, a web developer, is situated at a nice spot. I hear what gets put on the cutting-room floor, I know which stories we weren’t able to tell inside the gallery, and I think that’s very useful, not to put any more extra work on an editor’s plate out there. But it’s a unique position to be in, and helpful for generating content for the blog.

    NICK: You mentioned that, with digital publication, you’re able to enliven the stories. And I’ve seen that. You use a lot of video and photographs and things, and so I’m just curious, and I think other museums who are trying to make similar kind of content would be curious, do you specifically produce those videos and photographs for Circa? Or do you kind of–to use a museum term–curate media that you have into a post that you have expertise on or are thinking about at the time?

    KAREN: So, it’s a combination of sometimes we create a video expressly for Circa, as we did for our laser. Our conservation team has wonderful stories, and in concert with scientists at Duke University, they created a laser that is the first in the world to be used to conserve paintings. So, that seemed like an important piece to go into Circa, but also be a part of the museum’s evergreen archives of important stories that we always want to have available to folks. So it has an evergreen purpose as well.

    So I hate the term “archive” because it feels dusty and old, but when we say that we’re going to keep something alive, we typically say that we want to make it archival.

    And, as we know, a lot that gets created for social media is really ephemeral, and that’s too bad. I mean, a videographer and editor of video can tell you, “Oh, the work!” It’s a labor of love. But if we can house several short videos that are related–for instance, we interviewed a lot of models.

    We had an ebony fashion fair exhibition last fall, and it turned out that several models lived in our area, who had been a part of that show. We invited them to the museum, our social media team grabbed great video and interviewed them briefly, but in a post in Circa, we were able to house those short, social clips in one space. And then publish a little bit longer interview with a model. And that’s just a nice souvenir as well. So it both promoted the show ahead of time and is also a kind of reminder of the show. So it’s dual-purpose.

    NICK: Is that something you had planned to do? To recap it in a Circa post? When you have an event like that coming up, do you sort of plan before, during, after? Or is that something that just dawned on you, that, “Oh, actually there’s all this great media out there that I should be putting together”?

    KAREN: In general, it’s a combination of both. In that case, I heard that we were doing that. So, keeping one’s eyes and ears open about what’s already in production. But now we cooperate to the extent that folks on my team know that I can use this for Circa.

    I’m also approached. Curators just went to lunch yesterday and discovered a great story underlying one of the paintings we have in our collection, and I look forward to presenting that story. So that’s something that we are going to initiate, and something social can use. So it’s a back and forth.

    NICK: So what advice would you give to other museums for sustaining a blog?

    KAREN: Well, one very concrete tip that I could offer is that initially, I used Podio, or like a Basecamp, a place to house the ideas. First, it takes idea generation, and then also to track the progress of them. I know that’s an added amount of work, as well, to keep that up. But Podio, or having a place to house the ideas works. That’s also a platform where one can draw in staff members and make assignments if one would like to go in a very concrete, organized fashion. That’s very helpful, and using our Podio platform helped in the beginning.

    Also, just creating a schedule around–because our exhibition schedule is well-established ahead of time, understanding that I’d like four features, maybe, per exhibition, or more. But establishing goals around our exhibition schedule, much like I did while managing the print publication for our magazine. So, I think establishing a schedule.

    And then definitely getting buy-in from the staff. And we had a period where we went dark between our old blog and our new blog, and I recommend that as well. If the old blog is languishing anyway, let’s take advantage of that and build a bank of stories. So I’m never working on one blog post at a time. So if one can dedicate a certain amount of time per work to generating the content, then that’s very helpful. But it’s also very helpful to establish a bank and then move forward. A bank of four or five stories that are ready to roll.

    During the sort of blackout period, we were revamping our entire website. So it worked well with that for various reasons, which I could go into in a minute. I just treated it like a print publication. So, several meetings to get the new brand, if you will, launched. And also getting a publication schedule and just meeting those goals. So, treating it like a print publication helped me a great deal.

    NICK: And was that your background?

    KAREN: Yes. So, I just used the tools that I have to organize and create print publications, and they served well. So, that thinking about the discipline of getting–the harder work is not so much the scheduling and the creating of the product because editors are doing that across the board, all over the museum. It really was about getting the participation. I think that folks who are in charge of the blog can relate to that.

    But, I’ll also say curatorial interns, editorial inters, museums are full of interns who are looking for bylines, and this is great on their brag sheets. And they often have the time to dedicate and will go the extra mile to do an interview with a living artist.

    It also just requires a lot of planning, but also the ability to improv. So, next week we have a visit from Mickalene Thomas, and I hope to sneak in on some of the media interviews and grab a couple of soundbites for Circa. So it’s a combination of a lot of planning, but also being able to think quickly.

    NICK: And then what sort of technology do you need? In your content management system, does what you have now enable you to do everything that you want to be able to do?

    KAREN: It’s a great question. Luckily, I was able to write up a vision statement for what I wanted the blog to be when we relaunched. So we had components, as you call them, or modules, built in that spoke to our needs. And I think that’s critical. I can’t embed video if there’s nowhere to embed it. And there are other pages on our website, where one can’t embed. Although, more and more it’s a very flexible platform.

    And also, editors will appreciate this, but at every line inside a website, be it on a blog post or anywhere on a blog template, we need to be able to italicize, we need to have en dashes, we need special characters, not just in body copy but in every headline. So that’s what also gives it–visitors to museums are spoiled in the sense that they’ve seen a lot of high-end content, and high-end production, so why should the blog suddenly be like the neighborhood newsletter? “Ah, that fell off the cliff!” And that’s simply a matter of making those special characters available so that you can simply italicize the name of an exhibition and not look unprofessional.

    Do our everyday visitors recognize that? I think they do. They might not be able to put a name to it, but it’s a kind of housekeeping. If there were trash strewn everywhere–now I’m really sounding like an editor–but if there’s trash strewn, you don’t know how it works, but you know the floor’s not clean. So you have a sense of that.

    Just because it’s “free”, treating it as though it were an eight grand publication going out, I think just keeps the level of sharpness up and vitality.

    NICK: That was Karen Kelly of the North Carolina Museum of Art.

    I want to thank Karen for taking time to share with us, and I want to thank you for listening.

    If you want to subscribe to future episodes of What’s On, or download our Ebook, The Art of Storytelling, head on over to Cuberis.com and click “What’s On”.

    Until next time, I’m Nick Faber. What’s your story? And how will you tell it?


    A New Podcast for Museums Mar 27, 2018
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    We’ve just launched our new website, and visitors to our previous site might notice some new features. In addition to new case studies, portfolio work, and a more robust introduction to our capabilities, we have added an entirely new page. We’re excited to bring you What’s On, our new content publishing hub, full of website insights for museums.

    Building on the success of our monthly Museum Digital Insights newsletter, What’s On includes two new resources for museum professionals who want to make their websites as effective as possible. The first is our eBook, The Art of Storytelling, a practical guide to Museum Content Strategy.

    podcast host Nick Faber smilingThe other new resource is our new podcast, also called What’s On. Hosted by me, Director of Content Strategy Nick Faber, each episode will feature an interview with a museum professional using online content to illuminate their institution’s stories in innovative ways. My goal for each episode is to provide insights that you can use to improve your own museum’s content strategies.

    If you’d like to add What’s On to your podcast routine, you can find links to subscribe above. You’ll also find an embedded player, where you can hear our introductory episode, the transcript of which is below.

    Thanks for checking it out, and feel free to contact me if you know of, or have worked on, any examples we should feature in future episodes.

    *FULL TRANSCRIPT*

    Hello, and welcome to the introductory episode of What’s On, the new podcast from Cuberis. I’m glad you found us.

    I’m Nick Faber, the Director of Content Strategy at Cuberis. If you’ve found this feed, you may already know who Cuberis is, but in case you don’t, we’re a boutique, museum-focused, front-end website and content strategy firm based in Durham, North Carolina. And we love helping museums tell their stories.

    So why are we launching a podcast? Well, as we talk to different museums, we realize a couple of things:

    First, there are some common issues museums share. As a museum, you have no lack of stories. Your objects, your histories, and even your buildings have their own stories. And as a museum or cultural institution, you have a necessarily broad mission to serve a vast array of people with different levels of interest. When you take all of these factors into consideration, it’s easy to feel overwhelmed with which stories to share, and how to share them. As a consequence, your websites often fail to reach their potential.

    The good news is — and this is the other observation we’ve made — there are plenty of museums who have found innovative ways to overcome these challenges and to make some really great web content. From regular blog posts to high-production digital projects, these folks have been able to create content strategies that make a habit out of storytelling and illuminate the many stories of their institutions in meaningful ways.

    So, in this podcast, we’ll be talking with museum staff who are doing great things online. They’ll be sharing their own experiences and challenges, as well as tips for you, the museum staffer tasked with creating online content.

    And it’s my hope that what you hear on this podcast will really motivate you and inspire you to start thinking strategically about your web content.

    Oh, and just a quick plug: If you want to start thinking about ways that your website can promote your mission — and maybe even improve your margins — I’d encourage you to download our free eBook. It’s called The Art of Storytelling, and it’s full of exercises, examples, and expert interviews to get you started. You can find it on our website, cuberis.com, that’s c-u-b-e-r-i-s.com. And you’ll find a link in our footer.

    We’re really excited about this show, and we can’t wait to get it out to you. If you haven’t already, please subscribe to our podcast feed, and get ready to hear from museum folks like you who are doing some really cool things online. And if you have found some great examples of museum content, or maybe you’ve produced some yourself, send me an email. We’d love to showcase your examples. You can reach me at nick@cuberis.com.

    Until next time, I’m Nick Faber. What’s your story? And how will you share it?


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