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The crypto industry threw its weight and money behind Donald Trump, in hopes of legitimizing the industry. Before his Inauguration Day was over, Donald Trump was already enriching himself via a memecoin, one of the scammier, least legitimate-looking uses of crypto.
Guest: David Yaffe-Bellany, reporter covering cryptocurrency for the New York Times.
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As someone whose companies receive billions of dollars from the government, it’s worth asking why Elon Musk is so zealous about cutting government spending.
Guest: Max Chafkin, features editor and tech reporter at Bloomberg Businessweek and cohost of the Elon, Inc podcast.
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The infinite scroll has no purpose other than keeping your attention. But that doesn’t mean it’s value-neutral.
Guest: Chris Hayes, MSNBC news anchor and author of “The Siren's Call: How Attention Became The World's Most Endangered Resource.”
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Is Elon Musk’s $97.4 billion offer to buy OpenAI genuine—or an irresistible opportunity to troll Sam Altman?
Guest: David A. Fahrenthold, investigative reporter for the New York Times
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Using Github, you can watch as government websites are brought into compliance with Donald Trump’s executive orders. Out goes the word “equity;” in comes “fair.” And health and science data, once publicly available, disappears.
Guest: Jason Koebler, cofounder of 404 Media.
Jeremy Prokop, data science advisor in the Midwest
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Elon Musk is supposed to be running several companies and a new government department—so why is he also spending money to pretend to be good at video games?
Guest: Drew Harwell, tech reporter for the Washington Post.
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You can’t doubt the enthusiasm of Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency. You can question the legality of some of their early moves.
Guest: Makena Kelly, senior writer at WIRED.
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The artificial intelligence industry was thrown for a loop when the Chinese start-up DeepSeek rolled out a product that was more energy efficient, cheaper to produce, and open source. Where did DeepSeek come from, and are Silicon Valley and Washington right to be panicking?
Guest: Zeyi Yang, senior writer at WIRED.
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Tapped by Trump for the role of health secretary, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. presents himself as someone willing to say what other politicians won’t. But during his Senate confirmation hearings, both Democrats and Republicans questioned his previous statements about vaccines—and questioned whether he even knows what the job he’s trying to get entails. But his nomination signals that maybe it isn’t about vaccines - it’s about wanting to blow up the whole healthcare establishment.
Guest: Dan Diamond, White House correspondent for The Washington Post
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Artificial intelligence is coming to a doctor’s office near you—if it isn’t already there, working in an administrative role. Are you ready for generative A.I. to help your doctor diagnose you? Is your doctor ready to listen—with the necessary mix of humility and skepticism?
Guest: Geoffrey Fowler, Washington Post tech columnist.
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