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    What Do You Mean By That?

    Join multi-ethnic co-hosts Sara + Misasha – two wickedly smart, heart-led, long-distance best friends – as they help folks talk smarter and think deeper about the world around us. Whether it’s about science, history, current events, social justice, or more, their community consists of people who want to be better humans, to benefit all of us.

    We won’t let the fire hose of information overwhelm us. Whether you’re a seasoned expert or new to the work, you’ll find yourself listening, learning, and feeling inspired to do something new after each episode.

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    78: The Intersection Between the American Dream and White Supremacy: An Interview with Mia Birdsong Sep 02, 2020
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    Today we're chatting with Mia Birdsong, a woman whose TED talk has been viewed over 2 million times, and who can best be described as a bright light. She's also one of those people who shows you how to believe in true change, and what role you can play in doing that within your own spheres.

    Listen in to hear us talk about white supremacy, capitalism, trust circles, the role of community (hint: it's pretty much everything), and so much more. We can't wait to hear what part most resonates with you.

    Have questions, comments, or concerns? Email us at hello@dearwhitewomen.com

    What to listen for:

    • The title of her new book, How We Show Up, and what she thinks it means to truly show up for one another.
    • How tenets of white supremacy show up in the values and aspirations we have for ourselves. Enter perfectionism.
    • The fallacy behind the American Dream.
    • How we can't have safety without community, what it means to be each other's first responders, and how we need to ask for help.

    Twitter @miabirdsong

    ABOUT MIA BIRDSONG:

    Mia is a pathfinder, community curator, and storyteller who steadily engages the leadership and wisdom of people experiencing injustice to chart new visions of American life. She has a gift for making visible and leveraging the brilliance of everyday people so that our collective gifts reach larger spheres of influence, cultural and political change, and create wellbeing for everyone. In her book How We Show Up: Reclaiming Family, Friendship, and Community (Hachette, June 2020), Mia charts swaths of community life and points us toward the promise of our collective vitality. In "More Than Enough," her podcast miniseries from The Nation, she expands the current guaranteed income movement by tapping into the voices and visions of low-income people. Previously, as founding Co-Director of Family Story, Mia lifted up a new national story about what makes a good family. As Vice President of the Family Independence Initiative, she leveraged the power of data and stories to illuminate and accelerate the initiative low-income families take to improve their lives. Believing that, taken collectively, we are the guides we most need, Mia has made an art out of inviting people into rich explorations of how we map paths forward. Her public conversations, like the New America series centering Black women as agents of change and her 2015 TED talk "The Story We Tell About Poverty Isn't True," draw targeted attention to the stories of people who are finding their way into leadership roles despite myriad barriers, while also highlighting the vibrant terrain of all marginalized people who are leading on the ground and solving for tomorrow. Mia is a Senior Fellow of the Economic Security Project. She was an inaugural Ascend Fellow and faculty member with The Aspen Institute, a New American California Fellow, and Advocate-in-Residence with University of Pennsylvania's School of Social Policy and Practice. Mia lives and dreams big on the occupied land of the Chochenyo Ohlone people (AKA Oakland, CA).

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    77: Bonus: Only Dresses with Pockets: The Story Behind Mrs. Jones Aug 28, 2020
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    When you work on Kanye's first album, then for Calvin Klein, and then in ethical kids' fashion, what's your natural next step?

    If you said designing your own (amazing) dresses, you'd be talking about the owner and creator of mrs. jones, Nichole Moss. This powerhouse woman thinks about EVERY detail of the clothes that she's designing, from who manufactures them, to the quality of the fabrics that she uses, to the fact that she has POCKETS IN HER DRESSES, people.

    But more importantly, she's changing the viewpoint that Black designers have to either be creating super high fashion or "urban" street style and dropping pearls of wisdom along the way.

    Have questions, comments, or concerns? Email us at hello@dearwhitewomen.com

    What to listen for:

    • A ton of philosophical advice about social media, being a fabric snob, the stretch within the oval of life, quality over quantity, and how being a mother at 18 catapulted her forward instead of pulling her down. She's amazingly inspiring.
    • Her journey from seemingly unrelated careers into a consciously crafted fashion label for women, by women, to fill a gap in the market that she wanted to see for herself.
    • The intentionality behind every part of mrs. jones, including employing women from women-owned factories, and offsetting the waste problem we see in fashion.

    Where can you shop mrs. jones? www.shopmrsjones.com/

    Instagram @mrsjones.thelabel

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    76: Getting Young Black Boys to Say "I'm a Reader": An Interview with Barbershop Books Founder, Alvin Irby Aug 26, 2020
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    Here on the podcast, we've been focusing on the intentionality of this sustainable lifestyle shift. It can't be just reading an anti-racism book once to your child and - suddenly - your child is an anti-racist forever. It has to be more than that, and it has to last longer than a month.

    That's where Barbershop Books comes in.

    For those of you who may be wondering why this organization exists, it came out of an idea that its founder, Alvin Irby, had while he was getting his hair cut at his local barbershop in New York, and noticed one of his young students there. What Alvin has done is nothing short of amazing in terms of changing the trajectory of Black boys and their relationship with reading - all stemming from the barbershop, which is a Black cultural center in American neighborhoods.

    We hope you enjoy this interview as much as we did - and we hope you get involved with this amazing organization.

    Have questions, comments, or concerns? Email us at hello@dearwhitewomen.com

    What to listen for:

    • The importance of helping young children identify as readers - in particular, helping young Black boys identify as readers.
    • Why children's books need to have diverse children doing diverse things that interest children themselves (i.e. why they shouldn't all be about slavery or civil rights icons).
    • How interest from White families spiked after George Floyd's murder - and then leveled out over the last few months - and what White parents can do differently.

    How to support Barbershop Books: https://barbershopbooks.org/about-us/

    Twitter @barbershopbooks

    Alvin Irby @alvinirby

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    75: Bonus: How Eyewear Is Helping Flint: The Story of Genusee Aug 24, 2020
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    What sort of impact can one person (or two people) have on an existing health crisis that's largely been ignored for years - and that crisis is happening in the United States, to its citizens?

    If you're Ali Rose VanOverbeke or Brytanie Killebrew, the answer is: you create a product that builds a circular economy - it's a needed product that employs returning citizens to make it, and resources for the community of Flint, Michigan to get better access to fundamental resources - like WATER - that they should be receiving anyway as a basic right of just being human.

    We had so much fun in this conversation because these women are so intentional in their commitment to giving back to their community. You don't want to miss this one.

    Have questions, comments, or concerns? Email us at hello@dearwhitewomen.com

    What to listen for:

    • Why these women are doing what they're doing at Genusee, and how they got there
    • The circular economy that they built through their sustainable eyewear brand.
    • Being mindful of the "white savior" complex, living in the community that you're doing the work in, and the future of this amazing company.
    • Reasons why you'd never buy glasses anywhere else ever again.

    Where can you shop Genusee? https://genusee.com/

    https://twitter.com/genusee_tweets

    https://www.instagram.com/genusee_official

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    74: Bonus: From Military to Milan: The Story Behind Norie Shoes Aug 21, 2020
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    When you think about luxury shoe designers, who comes to mind? We're fairly sure you're not thinking about Natasha Standard from Norie Shoes - but you should be.

    This military veteran not only makes amazing shoes that are stylish but walkable, but she also travels to Italy regularly to design and manufacture her shoes.

    She met the challenge of COVID by pivoting her shoe design to make military-grade combat boots for women (because, shockingly, those haven't been made to fit women's bodies to date - and Natasha's an expert on that).

    Have questions, comments, or concerns? Email us at hello@dearwhitewomen.com

    What to listen for:

    • How you can rock a military career and still come back to create your personal dream job
    • What it takes to have a strong family foundation, and how each of us defines fashion and femininity differently
    • The important skill of being able to size somebody up in an instant
    • Her pivot from luxury shoes to military-grade combat boots - something done out of necessity as COVID has hit the bottom line, because who's buying cute shoes to go out in anymore?

    How can I shop Norie Shoes? https://www.norieshoes.com/

    Twitter @norieshoesnyc

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    73: How to Be a Wallet Feminist Aug 19, 2020
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    If every person in the U.S. spent just $20 at a woman-owned business, it would drive more than five billion dollars towards female-led companies each month.

    You've heard us talking on the show about how strongly we believe in the power of voting - both voting voting, which we'll talk about on a later episode, and with your wallet. And we REALLY believe in women supporting women, all around.

    This is where Dough comes in.

    Motivated by the tremendous wallet power of female shoppers, and the fact that women influence 80% of consumer spending, Anna Palmer and Vanessa Bruce founded Dough, an online curated marketplace, to make it easy for women-led brands to connect with like-minded shoppers, and for wallet feminists to easily find and support women-owned businesses. And these women-led brands include a whole range of women, all shades, and identities.

    Talk about powerful. AND where we should all be planning to do our holiday shopping.

    Have questions, comments, or concerns? Email us at hello@dearwhitewomen.com

    What to listen for:

    • The why behind the founding of Dough
    • How the company has had to pivot during COVID
    • The variety of hashtags on Dough supporting a variety of women in business, including #Blackgirlmagic, #Browngirlmagic, #Asiangirlmagic, and #notonAmazon
    • Dough's vision for the future

    Where can you shop Dough? www.joindough.com

    Twitter: @atjoindough

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    72: Going Back to School During COVID Aug 12, 2020
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    Parents, we are right there with you with the stress, uncertainty, and fear about how this next school year is going to look. Teachers and administrators, we know you are doing your best. But what should we be thinking about when we look at the fall with regard to our own families, as well as our communities as a whole?

    Today we riff.

    And we bring you, at the end, a special bonus - a meditation by Lisa Guyman to bring you peace, calm, a sense of healing and insight. Because what we're all going through right now, and are about to jump into with online schooling, is an absolute cluster. Take this gift and run with it.

    Have questions, comments, or concerns? Email us at hello@dearwhitewomen.com

    What to listen for:

    • What we should be thinking about when it comes to pandemic pods and inequality.
    • Things every parent can do - now or in a few months when things settle down a little (maybe) - to ensure that everyone in the community has access to education.
    • The importance of early childhood education in development, and what happens when access is restricted.
    • Challenges around actual access to working technology, as evidenced literally in this episode, midway through.
    • Oh, and that meditation with spiritual instructor Lisa Guyman - and her YouTube channel is full of AMAZING resources!

    Relevant episodes:

    • Ep 70 talking with Caylin Moore, who has lived through all sorts of educational systems
    • Ep 57 - it all starts here, talking about educational inequality
    • Ep 71 and what if we radically reimagine education with Colin Seale
    • Ep 58 and the school to prison pipeline

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    71: What If We Radically Shift How We Think About Education? A Conversation with Colin Seale Aug 05, 2020
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    As we think about the kids of this country going back to school (or not) in the fall, we can't help think about how the educational inequality that was already in place is being further exacerbated by the effects of COVID-19.

    However, if you take it back before internet connectivity problems and the lack of computer devices to learn from home on, there has always been a problem with equal and easy access to quality education.

    We bring you a conversation with Colin Seale, whose biggest mission centers around providing equal access to critical thinking skills by working with teachers, administrators, and parents alike. Hear how every single one of us can make a difference, and how educational opportunities are so intricately linked to racial justice.

    Have questions, comments, or concerns? Email us at hello@dearwhitewomen.com

    What to listen for:

    • Colin's story of success is based on because of, rather than despite, his upbringing.
    • How creating schools within schools - regardless of private or public - create separate but unequal access to educational opportunities.
    • The skills that are necessary to go beyond fixing a broken system, but to re-imagine education as it should be.
    • How White parents and adults can make a difference today.

    For this episode, we spoke with Colin Seale, the founder, and CEO of thinkLaw. Tackling inequity hands-on has always been personal to Colin because the amazing educational opportunities he received in gifted and talented courses and an exclusive specialized high school despite his underprivileged background growing up in Brooklyn, NY made him an exception to a painfully unjust rule. So whether Colin was teaching middle and high school math in Washington, D.C. and Las Vegas, NV, applying his computer science degree and Master's in Public Administration to fight for child safety at Nevada's largest child welfare agency, or practicing as a business attorney at one of Las Vegas' top law firms while representing children in foster care, Colin has always dreamed of a world where stories like his were no longer the exception, but instead, all students had an equal shot at being exceptional. Colin created thinkLaw to give all students access to the type of game-changing critical thinking education they need to not only fully understand the way the world is, but to question it and imagine the way the world ought to be. When he's not serving as the world's greatest critical thinking evangelist, Colin proudly serves as the world's greatest entertainer for his two little kiddos and loving husband to his wife Carrie. His new book Thinking Like a Lawyer: A Framework for Teaching Critical Thinking to All Students came out in April of 2020.

    Relevant episodes:

    • Ep. 57: It all starts here - educational inequality.
    • Ep. 58: The school to prison pipeline - six year old's don't belong in handcuffs.
    • Ep. 70: From Compton to Oxford, talking with the exceptional Caylin Moore.

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    70: Exceptionalism and Educational Inequality with Caylin Moore Jul 29, 2020
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    Just because one person manages to make it out of a really tough neighborhood does NOT mean that if everybody applies the same level of grit, they should be able to make it out, too. We need to use their story as what it is - an exception - and learn from what worked to help them make it out, and change the environment and reality of all the other kids who are having to fight to just exist, let alone thrive every day.

    Today we bring to you a conversation with an exceptional young man, Caylin Moore, who went from growing up in Compton, CA to being a Rhodes scholar on his way to earning a Ph.D. from Stanford so he can be a college professor and continue to focus on educating himself and others.

    We learned SO MUCH from his experiences moving from a predominantly White area to one where going to and coming from school was an issue of physical safety, and how he made it back out. Listen in.

    Have questions, comments, or concerns? Email us at hello@dearwhitewomen.com

    What to listen for:

    • The power of teachers - as he recites the names of those who helped nurture him with such fondness.
    • How some kids exit school to find needles and bullet shells on the sidewalk.
    • What community fixtures you won't find in areas that are predominantly Black or Brown.
    • The experience of being labeled a lower-tier student ("the dummy track") and being given a dictionary so old it didn't have the word "computer" even in it - how can you get ahead?
    • What being a Rhode Scholar taught him about focusing on your own 1/11th.
    • What he thinks White privileged families can do to begin making change - moving from sound bytes to sound analysis.

    Relevant episodes:

    • Ep. 57: It all starts here - educational inequality.
    • Ep. 58: The school to prison pipeline - six year old's don't belong in handcuffs.

    More information on Caylin:

    • To read Caylin's book A Dream Too Big, visit here.
    • To follow him on social media, check out Twitter and Instagram.

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    Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter – and don't miss our new anti-racism action calendar by joining our email list.


    69: Ask Me Anything: Including, Why Are You Called the Dear White Women Podcast? Jul 22, 2020
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    Since the influx of new listenership and followers ever since that awful weekend when Amy Cooper was exposed and George Floyd was murdered, we wanted to take this opportunity to re-introduce ourselves.

    We are Sara & Misasha, co-hosts of the podcast Dear White Women - where we aim to make it easy to enter uncomfortable conversations about racial and social justice.

    We're both daughters of a Japanese immigrant and White American, and we met over 20 years ago walking out of a racial identity meeting when we were undergraduates at Harvard. We've been great friends ever since, though we've only lived in the same city for one year since college.

    Where we differ is here: Misasha is married to a Black man from the South, and has two very mixed-race sons; Sara is married to a White Canadian man and has two White-presenting daughters. Misasha is a lawyer, fitness instructor, and amateur historian; Sara is a life coach, author, and facilitator who loves positive psychology.

    All of these come together in our conversations that aim to expose the humanity and history of our country so that Misasha doesn't have to worry that one day, her family might walk out the door and never come back, based purely on the color of their skin.

    Huge thank you to humorist Debbie Scheer for taking the time to ask us all the questions on this episode!

    Have questions, comments, or concerns? Email us at hello@dearwhitewomen.com.

    What to listen for:

    • Why is this show called Dear White Women?
    • Do we consider ourselves "people of color"?
    • That story when we experienced racism … in Japan.
    • What we think of the term "passing" and whether we think we do.
    • Ugly truth revelation: What we have done, felt or thought that might be racist.
    • What do we want to have come out of this podcast?

    Relevant episodes:

    • Episode 17: Debbie Scheer and raising Black or biracial children as a White mom
    • Episode 1: Starting Challenging Conversations

    Like what you hear? Support us through Patreon!

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