True Crime
**What Came Next**

What happens after the experiences of true crime survivors have been shared with the world? Does the media truly capture all it entails to survive such tragedy in the public eye? What comes after the convictions are in, the cameras stop rolling, and the court of public opinion has spoken? Can sharing our stories lead to justice, and is there ever really justice?

These questions and many more are discussed on the new true crime docuseries podcast brought to you by Broken Cycle Media (https://www.brokencyclemedia.com/) .

What Came Next (http://www.instagram.com/whatcamenext_podcast) is co-created and produced by Something Was Wrong (http://www.somethingwaswrong.com) ’s Tiffany Reese and host, award-winning writer, victim advocate and true crime survivor Amy B. Chesler (http://www.amybchesler.com) .

On What Came Next (http://www.instagram.com/whatcamenext_podcast) , you’ll hear firsthand accounts from those impacted, with behind the scenes insights about what came next for survivors after their stories were shared with the world, and how the media impacts crime victims and their loved ones.

Latest Episodes:

95: [WCN Presents] SWW S6 E5 & E6 // Part 3 Nov 01, 2024

Content warning: gun violence, stalking, emotional, mental, and psychological abuse, violent threats, criminal threats, hate crimes, racism, antisemitism, transphobia, and homophobia.
As shared in part one and two of their story, J.E. Reich is a journalist, editor, survivor, and victim advocate. They shared their story on Something Was Wrong season 6, episodes 5 and 6, which aired on December 6th and December 13th of 2020. The episodes discuss the impact of the devastating 2018 shooting at The Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and the impact the hate crime had on J.E.’s community. The three episodes also bring awareness to the related, horrific stalking J.E. and their family would be subjected to in the years following. However, at the time of the episodes’ release, J.E. and their family had received no justice for the unending harassment and death threats ‘The Caller’ executed over those years. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful J.E. was willing to return today to share more of their journey to seek justice, and about the start of their consequent healing process.
Something Was Wrong Season 6 E5, Massacre at the Tree of Life Synagogue | JE:
https://wondery.com/shows/something-was-wrong/episode/10716-massacre-at-the-tree-of-life-synagogue-je/
Something Was Wrong Season 6 E6, Panic Attack City | JE:
https://wondery.com/shows/something-was-wrong/episode/10716-panic-attack-city-je/
J.E.'s Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/jereichwrites
For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources

94: [WCN Presents] SWW S6 E5 & E6 Updates // Part 2 Oct 25, 2024

Content warning: gun violence, stalking, emotional, mental, and psychological abuse, violent threats, criminal threats, hate crimes, antisemitism, transphobia, and homophobia.
As shared in part one of their story, J.E. Reich is a journalist, editor, survivor, and victim advocate. They shared their story on Something Was Wrong season 6, episodes 5 and 6, which aired on December 6th and December 13th of 2020. The three episodes discuss the impact of the devastating 2018 shooting at The Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and the impact the hate crime had on J.E.’s community. The episodes also bring awareness to the related, horrific stalking J.E. and their family would be subjected to in the years following. However, at the time of the episodes’ release, J.E. and their family had received no justice for the unending harassment and death threats ‘The Caller’ executed over those years. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful J.E. was willing to return today to share more of their journey to seek justice, and about the start of their consequent healing process.
Something Was Wrong Season 6 E5, Massacre at the Tree of Life Synagogue | JE:
https://wondery.com/shows/something-was-wrong/episode/10716-massacre-at-the-tree-of-life-synagogue-je/
Something Was Wrong Season 6 E6, Panic Attack City | JE:
https://wondery.com/shows/something-was-wrong/episode/10716-panic-attack-city-je/
J.E.'s Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/jereichwrites
For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources
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93: [WCN Presents] SWW S6 E5 & E6 Updates // Part 1 Oct 18, 2024

Content warning: gun violence, stalking, emotional, mental, and psychological abuse, violent threats, criminal threats, hate crimes, antisemitism, transphobia, homophobia, genocide, and war.
J.E. Reich is a journalist, editor, survivor, and victim advocate. They shared their story on Something Was Wrong season 6, episodes 5 and 6, which aired on December 6th and December 13th of 2020. The episodes discuss the impact of the devastating 2018 shooting at The Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and the impact the hate crime had on J.E.’s community. These three episodes also bring awareness to the related, horrific stalking J.E. and their family would be subjected to in the years following. However, at the time of the episodes’ release, J.E. and their family had received no justice for the unending harassment and death threats ‘The Caller’ executed over those years. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful J.E. was willing to return today to share more of their journey to seek justice, and about the start of their consequent healing process.
Something Was Wrong Season 6 E5, Massacre at the Tree of Life Synagogue | JE:
https://wondery.com/shows/something-was-wrong/episode/10716-massacre-at-the-tree-of-life-synagogue-je/
Something Was Wrong Season 6 E6, Panic Attack City | JE:
https://wondery.com/shows/something-was-wrong/episode/10716-panic-attack-city-je/
J.E.'s Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/jereichwrites
For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources
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92: [Jessica Willis Fisher] Finding My Voice Oct 11, 2024

Content warning: child sexual assault, child rape, statutory rape, incest, sexual abuse, cultic abuse, religious abuse, narcissistic abuse, assault, physical, emotional, mental, and financial abuse.
Jessica Willis-Fisher is a singer-songwriter living in Nashville, Tennessee. Her childhood as the eldest of twelve siblings and member of a family band was marked by great tumult and abuse, despite spending several years in the public eye. Jessica would eventually free herself and deal with all that came next: coming to terms with her abuse, navigating the media, working to see her abuser imprisoned, and healing from the harm. The Broken Cycle Media has immense gratitude for Jessica’s time, energy, and all the awareness she is bringing with this conversation to intrafamilial abuse.
Jessica’s website: https://jessicawillisfisher.com/
Jessica’s song, “My History:” https://jessicawillisfisher.com/brand-new-day-lp/
Unspeakable: Surviving My Childhood and Finding My Voice - https://jessicawillisfisher.com/book/
A Little Bit Culty feat. Jessica: https://alittlebitculty.com/episode/behind-the-reality-jessica-willis-fisher-on-her-childhood-abuse
For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Sources:
Fisher, Jessica Willis. “My History.” Brand New Day LP, Bard Craft Records, 2022, Track 6. https://jessicawillisfisher.com/brand-new-day-lp/
Baker, K. C. (2017, July 11). Former TLC Star Toby Willis Pleads Guilty to Child Rape and Receives 40-Year Sentence. People Magazine. https://people.com/crime/tlc-toby-willis-guilty-plea-child-rape/

91: [Alison Jones-Lockwood] Start By Believing Oct 04, 2024

Content warning: gender-based violence, abuse, domestic violence, intimate partner violence, and rape.
Alison Jones-Lockwood is a mother and victim advocate in Colorado. Her career in aiding survivors began years ago while she was in college, and continues to this day. Although her journey recently pivoted when she became Executive Director of the Rape Crisis Center for Northern Colorado, at the time of our recording she worked with EVAWI or End Violence Against Women International. The Broken Cycle Media team is grateful Alison was able to offer such a broad perspective of the advocacy arena, as well as a detailed account of what’s coming next for EVAWI, as the organization works to change the criminal justice and legal landscapes for victims. Although the importance of advocacy work is always relevant, this conversation is especially timely considering October is Domestic Violence Awareness Month.
Sources:
How the Indy Star and Rachael Denhollander took down Larry Nassar. (2018, January 25). CNN; CNN. https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/25/us/larry-nassar-indy-star/index.html
Investigative Journalist Digs Deeper to Tell Overlooked Stories. (2023, December 5). CSUNshine Today. https://csunshinetoday.csun.edu/community/investigative-journalist-digs-deeper-to-tell-overlooked-stories/
Miller, T., & Armstrong, K. (2015, December 16). An Unbelievable Story of Rape. ProPublica. https://www.propublica.org/article/false-rape-accusations-an-unbelievable-story
Resources:
SAVA Center: https://www.savacenter.org/
End Violence Against Women International: https://evawintl.org/
Metropolitan Organization to Counter Sexual Assault: https://mocsa.org/
For additional resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources

90: [Amanda] Behind the Closed Therapeutic Door // Part 2 Sep 27, 2024

Content warning: sibling abuse, sexual harassment, voyeurism, stalking, rape, narcissistic abuse, professional abuse, self-harm, and suicide.
As shared in part one of her story, Amanda is a mother, mental health compliance professional, and advocate. Nearly twenty years ago, Amanda was employed by a fixture in the family court whose deviousness would be unearthed in 2007 when he faced charges for alleged voyeurism. Her experiences surviving professional abuse, sexual harassment, and suspected voyeurism at the hands of this renowned forensic psychologist have been motivation in Amanda’s mission to ensure the mental health industry fosters safety and wellness. In this episode, Amanda bravely shares what she was subjected to within the walls of this psychologist’s office, and what came next within her healing journey after freeing herself of the abuse. The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful for Amanda‘s time, energy, professional perspective, and the awareness about professional abuse she is cultivating today and within her work.
Resources:
Simon, C. (1998). Mad House: Growing Up in the Shadow of Mentally Ill Siblings. Penguin Publishing Group.
Zahariades, D. (2017). The Art of Saying No: How To Stand Your Ground, Reclaim Your Time And Energy, And Refuse To Be Taken For Granted (Without Feeling Guilty!).
What Came Next, Episode 21 [Tina Swithin] One Mom's Battle: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tina-swithin-one-moms-battle/id1674051643?i=1000618845906
Sources:
Congress Criminalizes Video Voyeurism. (n.d.). Women’s Congressional Policy Institute. https://www.wcpinst.org/source/congress-criminalizes-video-voyeurism/
White, T. (2018). Few video voyeurism cases result in prison sentences. WPRI 12 News. https://www.wpri.com/target-12/few-video-voyeurism-cases-result-in-prison-sentences/
For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

89: [Amanda] He Held All the Cards // Part 1 Sep 27, 2024

Content warning: sibling abuse, sexual harassment, voyeurism, stalking, rape, narcissistic abuse, professional abuse, self-harm, and suicide.
Amanda is a mother, mental health compliance professional, and advocate. Nearly twenty years ago, Amanda was employed by a fixture in the family court whose deviousness would be unearthed in 2007 when he faced charges for alleged voyeurism. Her experiences surviving professional abuse, sexual harassment, and suspected voyeurism at the hands of this renowned forensic psychologist have been motivation in Amanda’s mission to ensure the mental health industry fosters safety and wellness. In this episode, Amanda bravely shares what she was subjected to within the walls of this psychologist’s office, and what came next within her healing journey after freeing herself of the abuse. The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful for Amanda‘s time, energy, professional perspective, and the awareness about professional abuse she is cultivating today and within her work.
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For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

88: [Allyn Amerongen] The Control Is So Calculated Sep 20, 2024

Content warning: infidelity, serial infidelity, narcissistic abuse, and physical, emotional, mental, and financial abuse.
Allyn Amerongen is a mental health advocate, podcaster, and survivor of narcissistic abuse. Allyn just launched her new podcast, When Heaven Meets Hell, to highlight her experiences and healing. She also hopes to offer listeners resources and tools to thrive after their own abusive experiences. The Broken Cycle Media team is thankful for Allyn’s perspective, energy, and work in the advocacy space despite all that continues to comes next for her amidst her healing journey.
Allyn’s Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/allyn.amerongen
When Heaven Meets Hell podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/when-heaven-meets-hell/id1757647021
For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources
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87: [Jessie Buttafuoco] Protect the Legacy of Victims // Part 2 Sep 13, 2024

Content warning: substance abuse, substance use disorder, infidelity, serial infidelity, narcissistic abuse, assault, attempted murder, and gun violence.
As shared in part one of her story, Jessie Buttafuoco is a mental health professional, advocate, speaker, and co-victim of gun violence from Long Island, New York. Her journey in the media began at an incredibly young age, as the result of a vicious attack and attempt against her mother's life in 1992. Shortly thereafter, pieces of Jessie's family story would be covered by what felt like every media outlet. However, Jessie's own experiences navigating the media, growing up in the public eye, and healing from prolonged trauma have gone largely unshared. Her goals in imparting more of what came next in her personal journey are to bring awareness to the impact and potential detriment of non-consensual media coverage, to offer support to other survivors, and to change the legislative landscape for future generations. The Broken Cycle Media team is incredibly grateful that Jessie was willing to share so much of her over 30-year journey within the true crime landscape with our audience today.
Jessie's website: https://www.jessiebuttafuoco.com/
Jessie’s Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/jessiebuttafuoco
Jessie’s Podcast, Live Your Life Kween: https://open.spotify.com/show/3ueLsPkZA2bj2I9Qk85Xfz
Sources:
Haidt, J. (2024). The Anxious Generation: How the Great Rewiring of Childhood Is Causing an Epidemic of Mental Illness. Penguin Press.
Efron, Z., Hudgens, V. and Seeley, D. (2006). Start of something new [Song]. High school musical soundtrack [Album]. Walt Disney.
For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources

86: [Jessie Buttafuoco] The Entire World Is Looking // Part 1 Sep 06, 2024

Content warning: substance abuse, substance use disorder, infidelity, serial infidelity, narcissistic abuse, assault, attempted murder, and gun violence.
Jessie Buttafuoco is a mental health professional, advocate, speaker, and co-victim of gun violence from Long Island, New York. Her journey in the media began at an incredibly young age, as the result of a vicious attack and attempt against her mother's life in 1992. Shortly thereafter, pieces of Jessie's family story would be covered by what felt like every media outlet. However, Jessie's own experiences navigating the media, growing up in the public eye, and healing from prolonged trauma have gone largely unshared. Her goals in imparting more of what came next in her personal journey are to bring awareness to the impact and potential detriment of non-consensual media coverage, to offer support to other survivors, and to change the legislative landscape for future generations. The Broken Cycle Media team is incredibly grateful that Jessie was willing to share so much of her over 30-year journey within the true crime landscape with our audience today.
Jessie's website: https://www.jessiebuttafuoco.com/
Jessie’s Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/jessiebuttafuoco
Jessie’s Podcast, Live Your Life Kween: https://open.spotify.com/show/3ueLsPkZA2bj2I9Qk85Xfz
For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources

85: [WCN Presents] SWW S19 Updates Aug 30, 2024

Content warning: stalking, cyberstalking, emotional, mental, and psychological abuse, domestic violence, and murder.
Something Was Wrong Season 19 featuring Amy's episodes began airing January 11th, 2024 and finished airing February 8th of the same year. In the five episodes, Amy's tenacity and resiliency became resoundingly clear as she and her loved ones recounted all they faced amidst years of stalking and cyber stalking. Through what felt like a never-ending criminal justice and legal battle, Amy would eventually put her stalker, Morrison, behind bars, and she would share in hopes of finding more of his victims. She returns today to share about all that's come next in the parole process since Season 19 ended, and all that she continues to work for in honor of other victims of stalking. The Broken Cycle Media team is immensely grateful for Amy's continued candidness and advocacy, as well as the time, energy, and awareness she's offered our listeners.
Something Was Wrong Season 19: https://wondery.com/shows/something-was-wrong/season/19/
For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources
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84: [Dr. Kathi Miner] Walk the Talk Aug 23, 2024

Content warning: infidelity, serial infidelity, narcissistic abuse, stalking, cyberstalking, physical, emotional, mental, and financial abuse.
Dr. Kathi Miner is an organizational psychologist, professor, author, and survivor from Southern California. After losing her mother at a very young age, Kathi gained a poignant view of the universe and her desired place in it. As a result, she would eventually become a professor of women’s studies and psychology. She also forged her own family with her ex-husband. However, after finding out about his egregious infidelities and seeking a divorce, Dr. Miner’s entire world would be turned upside down when she began to face incessant narcissistic abuse upon leaving her ex. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely thankful that Dr. Miner was willing to join us today to offer so much of her time, personal perspective, professional expertise, and advocacy.
Dr. Miner's website: https://kathiminerphd.com/
Dr. Miner's Book:
Dr. Miner's TikTok: http://www.tiktok.com/kathinminerphd
Dr. Miner's Instagram: http://ww.instagram.com/kathiminerphd
For more information about narcissistic abuse, listen to SWW Data Points: Narcissistic Abuse (featuring Vanessa Reiser, LCSW): https://wondery.com/shows/something-was-wrong/episode/10716-data-points-narcissistic-abuse-featuring-vanessa-reiser-lcsw/
For further resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources
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83: [Charlie Shunick] Living in Grief Aug 16, 2024

Content warning: sexual assault, rape, abduction, murder, and serial murder.
Charlie Shunick is a Louisiana educator, co-victim of murder, and advocate for missing persons and their loved ones. The devastating mid-2012 disappearance and murder of her sister, Mickey, altered her life forever. Since then, it is Charlie’s tenacious spirit that has carried her through and enabled her to use her voice for justice and ethical advocacy. Although the road has been difficult and at times debilitating, Charlie has navigated the media, the criminal justice system, and the aftermath of losing her beloved sister, with incredible grace. The Broken Cycle Media team is so thankful that Charlie was willing to share her journey, and her incredible perspective of the true crime landscape throughout it.
Sources:
National Missing and Unidentified Persons System: Reports and Statistics. (n.d.). https://namus.nij.ojp.gov/library/reports-and-statistics
Resources:
Missed Australia: https://missed.org.au/
Shunick Missing Persons: https://www.shunickmp.com/
Resource Association for Missing People: https://ramissingpeople.org/
Texas Equusearch Search & Recover: https://texasequusearch.org/
National Missing and Unidentified Persons System: https://namus.nij.ojp.gov/
Project Cold Case:
http://projectcoldcase.org
Charlie Shunick:
Charlie's Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/grrrlcharlie
Shunick Missing Persons on TikTok: http://www.tiktok.com/shunickmissingpersons
Shunick Missing Persons on Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/shunickmissingpersons
For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources

82: [Mary Garden] Abuse, Betrayal, & Breaking Free Aug 09, 2024

Content warning: domestic violence, family violence, child-to-caregiver violence, sibling abuse, cultic abuse, religious abuse, abortion, and mental illness.
Mary Garden is a mother, educator, journalist, author, survivor, and advocate from New Zealand. She was born into a family with a great deal of history and many layers of generational trauma that normalized abusive behavior from as early as she can remember. However, it wasn’t until escaping her family home, eventually forging her own family, and healing through writing and speaking, that Mary truly began to understand the impact of her journey. The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful for Mary’s advocacy, openness, and grace while discussing the ongoing tragedy of familial and sibling abuse.
Mary’s website: https://www.marygarden.com.au/
Mary’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/garden.mary
My Father’s Suitcase: A story of family secrets, abuse & betrayal - and breaking free
https://www.marygarden.com.au/deliveries
For additional resources & a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources

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81: [Susanne Gold-Smith] Not This Time // Part 2 Aug 02, 2024

Content warning: stalking, emotional abuse, mental abuse, suicidal ideation, sexual assault, and rape.
Susanne Gold-Smith is a mother, creative, advocate, and survivor from New York. Her ability to transcend tragedy and prevail after heartache are defining characteristics apparent in each of her endeavors. However, her personal journey took a dark turn after she was allegedly stalked and sexually assaulted by a private investigator. The event would launch her down a precarious legal path and an onslaught of efforts to seek justice. All that continues to come next in Susanne’s battle is a testament not only to her personal strength, but also to what the criminal justice system requires of victims. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful for her time, energy, and the advocacy she is curating by sharing and bringing awareness today.
Susanne's website: https://www.susannegoldsmith.com/
Not This Time by Susanne Gold-Smith: https://youtu.be/e0trndqFhRI?feature=shared
The Safe Center: https://www.tscli.org/
For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources
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80: [Susanne Gold-Smith] Every Single Move I Made // Part 1 Jul 26, 2024

Content warning: stalking, emotional and mental abuse, suicidal ideation, sexual assault, and rape.
Susanne Gold-Smith is a mother, creative, advocate, and survivor from New York. Her ability to transcend tragedy and prevail after heartache are defining characteristics apparent in each of her endeavors. However, her personal journey took a dark turn after she was allegedly stalked and sexually assaulted by a private investigator. The event would launch her down a precarious legal path and an onslaught of efforts to seek justice. All that continues to come next in Susanne’s battle is a testament not only to her personal strength, but also to what the criminal justice system requires of victims. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful for her time, energy, and the advocacy she is curating by sharing and bringing awareness today.
Susanne's website: https://www.susannegoldsmith.com/
The Safe Center: https://www.tscli.org/
For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources
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79: [John-Michael Lander Hosts] WCN E1 & E13 Updates // Part 2 Jul 19, 2024

Content warning: child-to-parent violence, sibling abuse, sexual assault, childhood sexual assault, and suicidal ideation.
As shared in Part One of his updates, John-Michael Lander is a former Olympic-bound diver, actor, author, speaker, and advocate. His words and efforts have been seen everywhere from TIME magazine to the TED Talk stage; he has entitled his experiences of sexual abuse and trafficking “An Athlete’s Silence.” By sharing his story on What Came Next Episode 22 entitled An Athlete’s Silence and elsewhere, his goal is to bring awareness to predatory practices in the athletic and education worlds, as well as to change the way society receives sexual abuse victims. I am so honored he joined me AGAIN today to discuss updates in his journey. He also had the beautiful idea of flipping the script and host-swapping with Amy B. Chesler for this second part of these two episodes. The Broken Cycle Media deeply appreciates John-Michael’s time, dedication to his advocacy, and for the creativity he is bringing to these episodes.
John-Michael Lander:
An Athlete’s Silence: https://anathletessilence.com/
John-Michael’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnmichaellander
WCN Episode 22 [John-Michael Lander] An Athlete’s Silence: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/what-came-next/id1674051643?i=1000619765637
[Tabatha Ross-Brown] Believed Instead of Blamed: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/what-came-next/id1674051643?i=1000655144155
Amy B. Chesler:
Keep Jesse Winnick in Prison: https://change.org/KEEPJESSEWINNICKINPRISON
Working for Justice: One Family’s Tale of Murder, Betrayal, & Healing https://amzn.to/42adAo7
Something Was Wrong Season 7:
https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/2dec880d-db88-4156-aa12-4f82dc496422/episodes/adb93563-71ee-484a-82a8-b74b74aec0c7/something-was-wrong-s7-e1-extreme-anger?ref=dm_sh_BeYRh06neVQMkqxYAAAP0lFnU
Amy’s Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/amybchesler
Free + Confidential resources: somethingwaswrong.com/resources
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78: [John-Michael Lander] Episode 22 Updates // Part 1 Jul 12, 2024

Episode *Content warning: extortion, sextortion, sexual extortion, sexual abuse, sexual assault, trafficking, sex trafficking, self-harm, suicidal ideation, and suicide.
John-Michael Lander is a former Olympic-bound diver, actor, author, speaker, and advocate. His words and efforts have been seen everywhere from TIME magazine to the TED Talk stage; he has entitled his experiences of sexual abuse and trafficking “An Athlete’s Silence.” By sharing his story on What Came Next Episode 22 entitled An Athlete’s Silence and elsewhere, his goal is to bring awareness to predatory practices in the athletic and education worlds, as well as to change the way society receives sexual abuse victims. I am so honored he joined me again today to discuss updates in his journey. He also had the beautiful idea of flipping the script and host-swapping for the second part of the next two episodes. The Broken Cycle Media deeply appreciates John-Michael’s time, dedication to advocacy, and for the creativity he is bringing to the next couple episodes.
Resources:
U.S. Sextortion Laws by State: https://www.bark.us/blog/sextortion-laws/
New Jersey Coalition Against Human Trafficking: https://www.safernj.org/
Sources:
Gavin’s Law. (n.d.). South Carolina Department of Education. Retrieved July 6, 2024, from https://ed.sc.gov/newsroom/strategic-engagement/gavins-law/
John-Michael Lander:
An Athlete’s Silence: https://anathletessilence.com/
John-Michael’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnmichaellander
WCN Episode 22 [John-Michael Lander] An Athlete’s Silence: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/what-came-next/id1674051643?i=1000619765637

77: [Vanessa Reiser] The Treachery of No Empathy Jul 05, 2024

Content Warning: emotional, mental, and physical abuse, narcissistic abuse, and mental illness.
Vanessa Reiser is a licensed social worker, therapist, and an abuse survivor from New York. Her personal and professional histories have been deeply varied, but what remains to be constant are her tenacity and strength. She has reinvented herself and her path several times, but most especially after escaping an abusive relationship in 2020. Amidst all that came next for her, Vanessa has harnessed the media in all facets to curate healing and offer support to other survivors. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely thankful Vanessa was willing to share with us what she could about her transformative journey and all the awareness that’s come from it.
Sources:
VanDerBell, B. (2022, March). How Common is Narcissistic Abuse in the United States? Pysch Central. https://psychcentral.com/health/how-common-is-narcissistic-abuse-in-the-united-states#prevalence
Resources:
Tell A Therapist: https://tellatherapist.net/
Vanessa’s book: https://amzn.to/3VUkiwY
Vanessa’s Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/vanessareiserlcsw
Vanessa's TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@vanessareiser
Narcissistic Abuse Run: https://narcissisticabuserun.com/
National Domestic Violence Hotline: https://www.thehotline.org/
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76: [Holly K. Dunn] As Long as I Have My Voice Jun 28, 2024

Content Warning: sexual assault, rape, violence, brutality, murder, and serial murder.
Holly K. Dunn is an author, speaker, non-profit founder, and the sole survivor of a serial killer. As Holly began her junior year of college, she and her boyfriend Chris were attacked not far from Chris’s fraternity party by a murderer who was dubbed The Railroad Killer. In the years that came next, Holly faced every facet of the criminal justice system, as well as her own grief journey, with immense grace. Since her attack and Chris’s murder in 1997, Holly also began her own non-profit called Holly’s House, released her book entitled Sole Survivor, and continues to advocate deeply for survivors across her state and the nation. The Broken Cycle Media team is immensely grateful for Holly’s undying dedication to advocacy and carrying on Chris’s memory.
Resources:
Holly’s House: https://www.hollyshouse.org/
For more related non-profit organizations, visit: http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Holly K. Dunn:
Holly’s website: http://www.hollykdunn.com/
Holly’s book, Sole Survivor: http://www.hollykdunn.com/sole-survivor/
Holly’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hollykdunn
Holly’s Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hollykdunn/
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75: [WCN Presents] SWW S11 E11 Updates Jun 21, 2024

Content Warning: sexual assault, rape, child sexual abuse, nonconsensual pornography, and suicidal ideation.
Season 11, Episode 11 of Something Was Wrong entitled [Dara] Very Sorry, first aired on February 23rd, 2022. The episode poignantly shared Dara’s account of a sexual assault she experienced while on her Spring Break Senior trip. However, her heartache did not end there though. Years later, after Dara had become a mother and began to cultivate her own healing journey, her sister experienced a similar trauma. From that moment on, Dara was compelled to share their stories in hopes of changing the criminal justice landscape for other survivors. Although Something Was Wrong was the first public space she shared, her efforts have not slowed down at all. The Broken Cycle Media team is incredibly grateful for Dara’s time, energy, legislative efforts, and for sharing with our audience all that’s come next in her battle to change the statute of limitations for Indiana survivors of sexual assault.
SWW S11 E11 [Dara] Very Sorry:
https://wondery.com/shows/something-was-wrong/episode/10716-dara-very-sorry/

Change the statute of limitations for sexual assault Petition:

https://chng.it/YqjgsGWL2b
Senate Bill 151 via Indiana Gov’t Website
https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2024/bills/senate/151/details
Indiana Coalition to End Sexual Assault & Human Trafficking:
https://icesaht.org/
National Sexual Assault Hotline:
https://www.rainn.org/resources
Suicide & Crisis Hotline:
https://988lifeline.org/
For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations, please visit: http://www.somethingwas.wrong.com/resources
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74: [Matt Cohn] The Human Cost Is Too High // Part 2 Jun 14, 2024

Content warning: suicidal ideation, suicide, substance abuse, substance use disorder, violence, brutality, institutional abuse, child abuse, physical, emotional, mental, and sexual abuse, cults, kidnapping, and the troubled teen industry.
As shared in Part 1 of his story, Matt Cohn is a business professional and musician from Los Angeles, California. His personal history with What Came Next host, Amy, begins in the early 2000s when they were connected through mutual friends. At the time, Matt had just been released from the troubled teen industry, and shared very little of his experiences of abuse. In fact, it wasn't until he watched the 2024 Netflix documentary, The Program: Cons, Cults, and Kidnapping, that he was confronted with the extent of all of the horrors he had seen and faced. Admittedly, it was a validating, eye opening experience for him to watch the documentary. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful for his candidness today, as well as all of his efforts he's making to change the troubled teen industry.
The Program: Cons, Cults, & Kidnapping:
https://www.netflix.com/title/81579761
The Public Health Post on the TTI:
https://publichealthpost.org/mental-behavioral-health/troubled-teen-industry/
Research & Articles on the TTI via Unsilenced:
https://www.unsilenced.org/research/
National Youth Rights Association on the TTI:
https://www.youthrights.org/issues/medical-autonomy/the-troubled-teen-industry/
Government Accountability Office on 'Residential Programs:'
https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-08-713t

American Bar Association: Five Facts About TTI
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/litigation/resources/newsletters/childrens-rights/five-facts-about-troubled-teen-industry/
Senate Hearing on TTI:
https://imprintnews.org/top-stories/senate-investigation-slams-residential-treatment-centers-for-children-as-warehouses-of-neglect/250056
For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources
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73: [Matt Cohn] Thrilled to See the Stars // Part 1 Jun 07, 2024

Content warning: violence, brutality, institutional abuse, child abuse, physical, emotional, mental, and sexual abuse, cults, kidnapping, and the troubled teen industry.
Matt Cohn is a business professional and musician from Los Angeles, California. His personal history with What Came Next host, Amy, begins in the early 2000s when they were connected through mutual friends. At the time, Matt had just been released from the troubled teen industry, and shared very little of his experiences of abuse. In fact, it wasn't until he watched the 2024 Netflix documentary, The Program: Cons, Cults, and Kidnapping, that he was confronted with the extent of all of the horrors he had seen and faced. Admittedly, it was a validating, eye opening experience for him to watch the documentary. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful for his candidness today, as well as all of his efforts he's making to change the troubled teen industry.
The Program: Cons, Cults, & Kidnapping:
https://www.netflix.com/title/81579761
The Public Health Post on the TTI:
https://publichealthpost.org/mental-behavioral-health/troubled-teen-industry/
Research & Articles on the TTI via Unsilenced:
https://www.unsilenced.org/research/
National Youth Rights Association on the TTI:
https://www.youthrights.org/issues/medical-autonomy/the-troubled-teen-industry/
For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources

72: [Andrea Dunlop] Stories That Need to be Told May 31, 2024

Content warning: child abuse, sexual assault, medical abuse, factitious disorder, factitious disorder imposed on another, and munchausen by proxy.
Andrea Dunlop is an author, podcaster, and victim advocate from Seattle, Washington. Although her career began in the fictional literary world, Andrea found herself compelled to share her family's experiences, adjacent to the novel she was writing that discussed the disorder Munchausen by proxy. Andrea also chose to share her story via her podcast, Nobody Should Believe Me, which has gone on to spawn four powerful seasons surrounding the often misrepresented topic, Factitious disorder imposed on another. The Broken Cycle Media team is incredibly grateful that Andrea is joining us to share her knowledge, expertise, and about her own personal journey.
Andrea's website:
https://www.andreadunlop.net/
Andrea's books:
https://www.andreadunlop.net/books
Nobody Should Believe Me podcast:
https://www.nobodyshouldbelieveme.com/
Munchausen Support website:
https://www.munchausensupport.com/
Marc Feldman's books:
https://www.munchausen.com/books/
For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations, please visit: somethingwaswrong.com/resources

71: [Eric Johnson] This Isn't the End of His Story // Part 2 May 24, 2024

Content warning: mental illness, animal abuse, animal cruelty, violence, domestic violence, and murder.
As shared in Part 1 of his story, Eric Johnson is a security professional, author, co-victim of murder, and victim advocate from Michigan. He launched himself towards a career designed to protect and serve the safety of consumers at a very young age. However, his career in victim advocacy would begin after losing his father Bill and Bill’s beloved dog to domestic violence in 2021. What came next in terms of the legal system and in terms of his healing is a testament to Eric’s strength and fortitude, and the Broken cycle Media team is immensely grateful he was willing to share his time and perspective with us this week.
This episode is dedicated in loving memory of Bill Johnson.
Eric's Linktree:
https://linktr.ee/ericjauthor
Eric's Book, My Father's Story: The Murder of the Best Man I've Ever Known:
https://amzn.to/3K4z26P
Eric’s Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/ericjauthor1
Mark Manson's Author Page:
https://www.amazon.com/stores/Mark-Manson/author/B00BIJOMOC
For a list of related non-profit organizations & resources, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources
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70: [Eric Johnson] Time Stood Still // Part 1 May 17, 2024

Content warning: mental illness, animal abuse, animal cruelty, violence, domestic violence, and murder.
Eric Johnson is a security professional, author, co-victim of murder, and victim advocate from Michigan. He launched himself towards a career designed to protect and serve the safety of consumers at a very young age. However, his career in victim advocacy would begin after losing his father Bill (and Bill’s beloved dog) to domestic violence in 2021. What came next in terms of the legal system and in terms of his healing is a testament to Eric’s immense strength and fortitude, and the Broken cycle Media team is immensely grateful he was willing to share his time and perspective with us this week.
This episode is dedicated in loving memory of Bill Johnson.
Eric's Linktree:
https://linktr.ee/ericjauthor
Eric's Book, My Father's Story: The Murder of the Best Man I've Ever Known:
https://amzn.to/3K4z26P
Eric’s Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/ericjauthor1
For a list of related non-profit organizations & resources, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources
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69: [Tabatha Ross-Brown] Believed Instead of Blamed May 10, 2024

Content warning: domestic violence, domestic abuse, physical, verbal, mental, and emotional abuse, child-to-parent violence, child-to-family violence, sibling abuse, elder abuse, intrafamilial abuse, murder, and familicide.
Tabatha Ross-Brown is a Michigan familywoman, certified mental health support specialist, victim advocate, and founder of the non-profit organization Parent Real Talk. After providing her services to parents-in-need, Tabatha came to realize that America severely lacked awareness and available resources for families experiencing violence or abuse by a child-age perpetrator. She set out on a mission geared towards awareness, treatment, and prevention of child-to-family - and more specifically child-to-caregiver - violence. Her efforts have included the establishment of the very first American-based child-to-parent violence Awareness Day in several counties in Michigan, and her goal is to establish a nationwide awareness day. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful for this advocate interview with Tabatha, as well as all of her time, expertise, and related work.
Sources:
United Kingdom Law: United Kingdom Domestic Abuse Statutory Guidance

Florida 2017 Legislation: Support for Parental Victims of Child Domestic Violence

Danger assessment: https://www.dangerassessment.org/uploads/DA_NewScoring_2019.pdf (CPVA adult and minor child danger assessment attached)
Roundtable Discussion YouTube video: https://youtu.be/p6DAO2wAztA?si=jSTxydjz8ImRZDbl
Breakaway Videos: Escape From Clothing Grab, Escape From A Bear Hug, Defense Against Punches, Safety Stance
Resources:
Parent Real Talk nonprofit organization: https://www.parentrealtalk.com/
PEGS: Parent Education Growth Support: https://www.pegsupport.co.uk/join-in-cpa-awareness-day
Roundtable Discussion Informational Booklet w/ Michigan Commissioner's Recognition: https://www.parentrealtalk.com/cpva2023

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/LetsGetRealwithParentTalk

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lets_get_real_with_parent_talk/

Trauma Resource Institute: https://www.traumaresourceinstitute.com/crm

iCHILL Wellness App: https://www.ichillapp.com/

68: [Roberta Blevins - Amazon’s LuLaRich] True Con May 03, 2024

Episode content warning: cults, cultic behavior, multi-level marketing, MLMs, pyramid schemes, ponzi schemes, white collar crime, scams, and fraud.
Roberta Blevins is a mom, business owner, consumer protection & victim advocate, and podcaster from Southern California. She began her professional life as a creative multi-hyphenate who juggled several different jobs and careers to provide for herself and her family. However, when she found out about LuLaRoe (a U.S.-based women's fashion company), she believed it would be the answer to her desire for simplification and success. Within a few years though, Roberta would realize - along with many other LuLaRoe business owners - that the company offered a much different reality. As a result, Roberta has gone on to share her experiences in the media - including the documentary LuLaRich, in her hit podcast Life After MLM, as well as in the courtroom for legal purposes. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful for Roberta’s advocacy and awareness work, as well as everything she shares with our audience today.
Roberta's website
https://robertablevins.com/
Roberta’s Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/therealrobertablevins

Life After MLM
http://lifeaftermlmpod.com
WA Office of Attorney General on LuLaRoe Settlement
https://www.atg.wa.gov/news/news-releases/lularoe-pay-475-million-resolve-ag-ferguson-s-lawsuit-over-pyramid-scheme
Amazon's LuLaRich
https://www.amazon.com/LuLaRich-Season-1/dp/B09CFXPNSX
FTC on MLM & Pyramid Scheme Profits
https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/public_comments/trade-regulation-rule-disclosure-requirements-and-prohibitions-concerning-business-opportunities-ftc.r511993-00004%C2%A0/00004-57286.pdf
If you believe you or a loved one have been a victim of financial fraud or unethical business practices, please visit the FTC website at https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/ to make a claim.
For a list of other non-profit organizations and resources, please visit http://www/somethingwaswrong.com/resources

67: [Madison McGhee] Ice Cold Case Apr 26, 2024

Content Warning: substance use disorder, substance abuse, gun violence, murder, and unsolved murder.
Madison McGhee is a producer, documentarian, podcaster, and co-victim of murder from West Virginia. After learning about her father’s unsolved murder in her teen years, Madison devoted herself and her future career to bringing awareness about her father’s long-since cold case. In her hit podcast, Ice Cold Case, she highlights her own investigation in to her father’s twenty-two year old murder and all that continues to come next in her journey. The Broken Cycle Media team is honored to have this discussion with Madison about the power of her work and how she’s harnessed the media to obtain what justice may be still available for her and her father.
Sources:
Ice Cold Case
http://www.icecoldcase.com
Madison's Website
https://www.madison-mcghee.com/
Madison's Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/madison_mcghee/
Marshall Project on Cold Case Rates
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2022/01/12/as-murders-spiked-police-solved-about-half-in-2020
Resources:
For a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources
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66: [Brandon Andres Green] A Loud & Effective Beacon Apr 19, 2024

Content warning: substance abuse, substance use disorder, illegal commerce, physical, sexual, and emotional abuse, physical and sexual violence, torture, abduction, and trafficking.
Brandon Andres Green is a father, familyman, survivor of abduction, trafficking, and torture, and immensely strong victim advocate. He faced trauma as a youth in Oklahoma, and recognizes those events as pivotal points in his personal journey. By the time he was eighteen, he had been launched down a path rife with dangerous, illegal activities. But just weeks after graduating high school, on Independence Day 2003, his freedom from a life of physical pain would be stolen from him forever. Still, Brandon remains to be a beacon of light, love, and hope for everyone who hears his story. The Broken Cycle Media team is honored he was willing to share some of his journey and what came next for him with us today.
Sources:
Subterranean Psychonaut by This Land Press
https://thislandpress.com/2013/07/28/subterranean-psychonaut/
House Approves Updated Language in Statutes Related to Child Sex Trafficking
https://www.okhouse.gov/posts/news-20240306_1
Resources:
For a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit somethingwaswrong.com/resources
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65: [Seth Gehle] It's Not A Sad Story // Part 2 Apr 12, 2024

Content Warning: physical, emotional, and mental abuse, addiction disorder, substance abuse, substance use disorder, rape, statutory rape, child abuse, sexual abuse, child sexual abuse, extrafamilial child sexual abuse, serial sexual abuse, suicidal ideation, and suicide.
As shared in Part 1 of his story, Seth Gehle is a father, veteran, speaker, and victim advocate from Ohio. Seth faced ongoing sexual abuse in his youth, and recently began to share about his experiences and all that came next legally and personally. Seth’s mission is to use his story to bring awareness to society and offer hope to other survivors, and we are so grateful he is here to do so with us, especially considering April is Sexual Assault Awareness Month.
Resources:
If you suspect someone in your life has been sexually assaulted or abused, please contact your nearest law enforcement office or the National Sexual Assault Hotline:
https://www.rainn.org/resources
For more resources and a list of non-profit organizations that can help, please visit:
http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Sources:
Seth Interviews the Officer that Helped Him:
https://youtu.be/zdjTTvBb2rY?si=ClzXV3-VCtS61Ewy
Child Sexual Abuse/Violence Prevention:
https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/childsexualabuse/fastfact.html

The incidence and prevalence of intrafamilial and extrafamilial sexual abuse of female children: A Study

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6605793/
Characteristics of Extrafamilial & Intrafamilail Child Sexual Abuse: A Study
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9777261/
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64: [Seth Gehle] I Could Never Escape // Part 1 Apr 05, 2024

Content Warning: physical, emotional, and mental abuse, addiction disorder, substance abuse, substance use disorder, rape, statutory rape, child abuse, sexual abuse, child sexual abuse, extrafamilial child sexual abuse, serial sexual abuse, suicidal ideation, and suicide.
Seth Gehle is a father, veteran, speaker, and victim advocate from Ohio. Seth faced ongoing sexual abuse in his youth, and recently began to share about his experiences and all that came next legally and personally. Seth’s mission is to use his story to bring awareness to society and offer hope to other survivors, and we are so grateful he is here to do so with us, especially considering April is Sexual Assault Awareness Month.
Resources:
National Sexual Assault Hotline:
https://www.rainn.org/resources
For more resources and a list of non-profit organizations that can help, please visit:
http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Sources:
Seth Interviews the Officer that Helped Him:
https://youtu.be/zdjTTvBb2rY?si=ClzXV3-VCtS61Ewy

63: [Alexis Garcia] Brought to Light Mar 29, 2024

Content Warning: gun violence, child abuse, sexual abuse, childhood sexual abuse, intrafamilial child sexual abuse, abduction, kidnapping, attempted kidnapping, suicidal ideation, and suicide.
Alexis Garcia is a mother, survivor, and victim advocate from Chicago. This is the first time she has ever shared on a public platform about the abuse she faced when she was a child. Her healing journey was extensive and seemingly never-ending, as she was often met with disbelief. However, after years, she was able to see her abuser put behind bars. Still, her healing and advocacy continues as she works to break cycles in her own family. Alexis’s courage and strength amidst all that came next for her are a true example of the power of resilience.
Resources:
Something Was Wrong Resources
National Sexual Assault Hotline
Coping with the Shock of Intrafamilial Abuse
Preventive Measures Against Intrafamilial Child Sexual Abuse

Sources:

Characteristics of intrafamilial and extrafamilial child sexual abuse

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62: [Danielle Leukam] Four Pounds of Pressure // Part 2 Mar 22, 2024

Content Warning: stalking, assault, sexual assault, serial sexual assault, rape, serial rape, abduction, kidnapping, home invasion, armed assault, gun violence, and criminal threats.
As shared in Part 1 of her story, Danielle Leukam is a mother, nurse, author, survivor, speaker, and victim advocate from Minnesota. In November of 2018 her entire life changed forever after becoming a victim of home invasion and sexual assault. The journey to find and convict her rapist was long and arduous, but Danielle leaned on the community and professionals around her to prevail. She continues to share all that comes next in her journey and fight for justice in hopes of bringing awareness and inspiring other survivors.
Danielle's website
https://www.danielleleukam.com/
Danielle's Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/danielleleukam/
Danielle's Amazon Author page
WISH: We Inspire Survivor Healing
https://www.weinspiresurvivorhealing.com/
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61: [Danielle Leukam] The Last Straw // Part 1 Mar 15, 2024

Content Warning: stalking, assault, sexual assault, serial sexual assault, serial rape, abduction, kidnapping, home invasion, armed assault, gun violence, and criminal threats.
Danielle Leukam is a mother, nurse, author, survivor, speaker, and victim advocate from Minnesota. In November of 2018 her entire life changed forever after becoming a victim of home invasion and sexual assault. The journey to find and convict her rapist was long and arduous, but Danielle leaned on the community and professionals around her to prevail. She continues to share all that comes next in her journey and fight for justice in hopes of bringing awareness and inspiring other survivors.
Danielle's website
https://www.danielleleukam.com/
Danielle's Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/danielleleukam/
Danielle's Amazon Author page
For a list of related non-profit organizations and resources, please visit somethingwaswrong.com/resources
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60: [Donna Hayes] Never Wear The Cloak of Shame // Part 2 Mar 08, 2024

*Content warning: suicidal ideation, love fraud, financial fraud, domestic violence, physical abuse, and stalking.
As shared in Part One of Donna Hayes story, Donna is a mother, actress, singer, businesswoman, & author. Donna shares her experiences of domestic violence, divorce, and the various events that she believes led her to be a victim of love and financial fraud. The Broken Cycle Media team is grateful that Donna was willing to share all that came next for her amidst her legal battle, as well as her journey sharing via cabaret show, book, podcast, television, and more.
Donna’s Websites
Donna-Hayes.com
Distinguishedcoaching.com
Donna’s Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/iamdonna_hayes/
Donna’s Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/donna.hayes.925
These Broken Roads: Scammed & Vindicated, One Woman’s Story
https://amzn.to/3IfQJ2x
Gotham Writing Classes
https://www.writingclasses.com/
Sibylline Press
https://sibyllinepress.com/donna-marie-hayes/
New FTC Data Shows Consumers Reported Losing Nearly 8.8 Billion in 2022 Scams
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/02/new-ftc-data-show-consumers-reported-losing-nearly-88-billion-scams-2022
Bureau of Justice Statistics on Financial Fraud
https://bjs.ojp.gov/taxonomy/term/financial-fraud
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59: [Donna Hayes] Walking Through Quicksand // Part 1 Mar 01, 2024

*Content warning: body shaming, domestic violence, physical abuse, verbal abuse, stalking, love fraud, and financial fraud.
Donna Hayes is a mother, actress, singer, author & businesswoman from Jamaica. In the following two episodes, she shares her experiences of domestic violence, divorce, and the various events that she believes led her to be a victim of love and financial fraud. The Broken Cycle Media team is grateful that Donna was willing to share all that came next for her amidst her legal battle, as well as her journey sharing about her trauma via cabaret show, book, podcast, television, and more.
Donna’s Websites
Donna-Hayes.com
Distinguishedcoaching.com
Donna’s Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/iamdonna_hayes/
Donna’s Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/donna.hayes.925
These Broken Roads: Scammed & Vindicated, One Woman’s Story
https://amzn.to/3IfQJ2x
For additional resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources

58: [WCN Presents] SWW S15 E5 Updates // Part 2 Feb 23, 2024

Content warning: sexual, physical and emotional violence involving children, childhood abuse, sexual abuse of a child, rape, statutory rape, child sex abuse materials, pedophilia, human trafficking, suicidal ideation, and suicide.
As shared in Part 1 of the Something Was Wrong Season 15 Episode 5 Updates, Diana's episode,The Devil in Disguise, was released on March 2nd, 2023. In the episode, Diana (a mother, medical professional, sister, and friend to many) bravely shares about her relationship with the monster who she would eventually find out had sexually abused her daughter and niece. The episode also highlights some of what came next for Diana after the FBI unearthed the truth about her former partner's abusive behavior and trafficking attempts. The Broken Cycle Media team is deeply grateful that Diana was willing to join us today to share more about her journey and the recent justice she and some of his other victims have been given. Please note pseudonyms are used in this episode to protect guests anonymity.
This episode is dedicated in loving memory of Diana's sister, Anne Marie.
SWW S15 E5 [Diana] The Devil in Disguise
https://wondery.com/shows/something-was-wrong/episode/10716-diana-the-devil-in-disguise/
RAINN Network
http://www.rainn.org
RAINN Statistics on Childhood Sexual Abuse
https://www.rainn.org/statistics/children-and-teens
United States Sentencing Commission. (2021). Federal Sentencing of child Pornography: Production Offenses. In United States Sentencing Commission. Retrieved June 25, 2024, from https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/research-publications/2021/20211013_Production-CP.pdf
Quick Facts: Child Pornography Offenders. (2023). United States Sentencing Commission. Retrieved June 25, 2024, from https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/quick-facts/Child_Pornography_FY22.pdf
For additional resources, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources
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57: [WCN Presents] SWW S15 E5 Updates // Part 1 Feb 16, 2024

*Content warning: sexual, physical and emotional violence involving children, childhood abuse, sexual abuse of a child, rape, statutory rape, child sex abuse materials, pedophilia, human trafficking, suicidal ideation, and suicide.
Season 15, Episode 5 of Something Was Wrong, [Diana] The Devil in Disguise was released on March 2nd, 2023. In the episode, Diana (mother, medical professional, sister, and friend to many) bravely shares about her relationship with the man who she would eventually find out had sexually abused her daughter and niece. The episode also highlights some of what came next for Diana after the FBI unearthed the truth about her former partner’s abusive behavior and trafficking attempts. The Broken Cycle Media team is deeply grateful that Diana was willing to join us today to share more about her journey, and the recent justice she and all of his other victims have been given. Please note, pseudonyms are used in this episode to protect guests’ anonymity.
This episode is in loving memory of Diana's sister, Anne Marie.
Something Was Wrong S15 E5 [Diana] The Devil in Disguise
https://wondery.com/shows/something-was-wrong/episode/10716-diana-the-devil-in-disguise/
For additional resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources
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56: [Mindy Corporon] Healing A Shattered Soul Feb 09, 2024

*Content warning: hate crimes, bigotry, racism, gun violence, child loss, parent loss, and mass murder.
Mindy Corporon is a speaker, author, founder, and CEO from Oklahoma. She attributes her personal and professional success to her loving, tight-knit upbringing. However, everything she knew to be true would be deeply challenged on April 13th, 2014, when her father and son were murdered in a hate crime. Mindy has allowed her faith and her unending fortitude born from her family, to withstand all that came next for them. This includes a legal battle to convict their murderer, the publication of her memoir, Healing a Shattered Soul, the creation of a foundation, and the unending mission to inspire others wading through the throes of grief. The Broken Cycle media team is very grateful Mindy is sharing her journey with us today, as well as for her continued advocacy work. I am also personally grateful for her sisterhood in survivorship, as we are lifelong members of the same sorority.
This episode is dedicated in loving memory to Reat Underwood, Dr. William Lewis Corporon, & Terri LaManno.
Mindy's website
https://www.mindycorporon.com/
Healing a Shattered Soul by Mindy Corporon
https://www.mindycorporon.com/healing-a-shattered-soul/
Real Grief, Real Healing with Mindy
https://www.mindycorporon.com/real-grief-real-healing/
Seven Days: Make a Ripple, Change the World
https://sevendays.org/our-story/the-ripple
Laws Against Hate Crimes Don’t Exist in Kansas
https://www.ksnt.com/news/laws-against-hate-crimes-dont-exist-in-kansas/
Hate Crime Laws and Policies
https://www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/laws-and-policies
FBI 2014 Hate Crime Statistics
https://www.fbi.gov/news/press-releases/fbi-releases-2014-hate-crime-statistics
FBI 2022 Hate Crime Statistics
https://www.justice.gov/crs/highlights/2022-hate-crime-statistics
USA Today on Hate Crimes Hit Record Levels
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/01/05/hate-crimes-hit-record-levels-in-2023-why-2024-could-be-even-worse/72118808007/
How to Report a Hate Crime
https://www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/report-a-hate-crime
Hate Crime Prevention
https://www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/hate-crimes-prevention
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For additional resources or a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

55: [What Came Next] Q & A Feb 02, 2024

*Content warning: sexual assault, childhood abuse, trauma, true crime, and murder.
This week we're taking a break from our regularly-scheduled survivor interviews to answer listeners' questions. Thank you so much for the continuous support of What Came Next, the survivors we interview, and the brands that sponsor us. Please also consider re-listening to (or sharing) some of your favorite episodes until next week!
Something Was Wrong/What Came Next submissions
https://somethingwaswrong.com/submissions/
What Came Next Podcast Instagram
http://www.instagram.com/whatcamenext_podcast
[John-Michael Lander] An Athlete's Silence
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/what-came-next/id1674051643?i=1000619765637
[Kelly Gee] What Happens Next // Part 2
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kelly-gee-what-happens-next-part-2/id1674051643?i=1000641401487
End Violence Against Women International
https://evawintl.org/
For additional resources and a list of non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

54: [Stacie McBride-Cox - IDtv’s The 1990s: The Deadliest Decade] Every Bit of Strength & Light Jan 26, 2024

Content warning: domestic violence, capital punishment, abduction, rape, and murder.
Stacie McBride-Cox is a mother, sister, educator, and former lawyer. Her faith and fortitude were deeply tested in 1995, after the abduction and murder of her beloved sister, Tracie. Since then, The McBride family’s efforts for awareness have been seen on Good Morning America, Inside Edition, The 1990’s: The Deadliest Decade, and more. Stacie’s poise, power, & perspective amidst all that came next for her family is truly unrivaled, and a testament to the role model she had in her big sister, Tracie. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful that Stacie was willing to share her nearly thirty-year journey of heartache and healing with us today.
Stacie’s Instagram
http://www.instagram.com/staciemcbridecox

Tracie Joy McBride Scholarship Fund:
http://www.tjmscholarshipfund.com

Gold Star Families:
https://www.army.mil/goldstar/

The 1990’s: The Deadliest Decade:
https://www.discoveryplus.com/show/1990s-the-deadliest-decade

What Came Next Instagram:
http://www.instagram.com/whatcamenext_podcast

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For further resources and a list of non-profit organizations that can help, visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

53: [Lenora Claire] Impact In All Areas Jan 19, 2024

*Content warning: cyberstalking, stalking, death threats, and abduction.
Lenora Claire is a survivor, advocate, producer, private investigator, and consultant from Los Angeles, California. Her career in entertainment and the arts skyrocketed in the early 2000’s, but were largely derailed when she began to face stalking at the hands of a perpetrator that also stalks several celebrities. Her experiences in the legal system, within the media, and in helping other survivors since have propelled her to redefine herself several times over. As a result, she serves the survivor community deeply in many different ways, no matter what continues to come next in her journey, and we are so honored she is sharing a portion of it all with us today.
Lenora Claire
https://www.lenoraclairellc.com/

Lenora's Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/lenoraclaire
Special K Investigations
https://www.specialkpi.com/

Sparc
https://www.stalkingawareness.org/
For more resources or a list of non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

52: [Kelly Gee] What Happens Next // Part 2 Jan 12, 2024

Content warning: depression, suicidal ideation, suicide, sexual assault, rape, statutory rape, and sexual abuse.
As he shared in 'Against Big Odds // Part One,' Kelly Gee is a former professional hockey player and coach, and the current powerhouse executive director of the non profit organization Survivors for Change. Kelly has always been driven to make an impact, but it wasn't until surviving ongoing sexual abuse at the hands of his former coach that he found his true calling: being an inspiration and motivator for survivors around the world. He hopes to utilize all that continues to come next for him in his journey for justice and peace to change present and future resources and support for all victims. The Broken Cycle Media team is extremely grateful for all of Kelly’s advocacy and continued efforts for survivors, as well as for this conversation.
Survivors for Change
https://www.survivorsforchange.org/

Survivors for Change Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/weares4c/

Survivor for Change Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/TheS4C/

The Incubation of Silence
https://vimeo.com/549070172?share=copy

The Army of Survivors
https://thearmyofsurvivors.org/

Child USA
https://childusa.org/

“I Was One of Them:’ Kelly Gee Speaks Out via The Athletic
https://theathletic.com/1956786/2020/07/28/i-was-one-of-them-survivor-of-alleged-sexual-abuse-by-hockey-coach-speaks-out/

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Additional help and resources are available 24 hours a day at the National Sexual Assault Hotline, which can be reached at 1 800 656 4673 and the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988. You are not alone.

51: [Kelly Gee] Against Big Odds // Part 1 Jan 05, 2024

Content warning: depression, suicidal ideation, substance use disorder, sexual assault, rape, statutory rape, and sexual abuse.
Kelly Gee is a former professional hockey player and coach and the current executive director of the non profit organization Survivors for Change. Kelly has always been driven to make an impact, but it wasn't until surviving sexual abuse at the hands of his former coach that he found his true calling: being an inspiration and motivator for survivors around the world. He hopes to utilize all that continues to come next for him in his journey for justice and peace to change, present and future resources and support for all victims.
Survivors for Change
https://www.survivorsforchange.org/
Survivors for Change Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/weares4c/

“I Was One of Them:’ Kelly Gee Speaks Out via The Athletic
https://theathletic.com/1956786/2020/07/28/i-was-one-of-them-survivor-of-alleged-sexual-abuse-by-hockey-coach-speaks-out/

The Incubation of Silence
https://vimeo.com/549070172?share=copy
Trauma-Informed Care in Behavioral Health Services: Understanding the Impact of Trauma
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK207191/
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For more resources, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Additional help and resources are available 24 hours a day at the National Sexual Assault Hotline, which can be reached at 1 800 656 4673 and the Suicide and Crisis Lifeline at 988. You are not alone.

50: [Evin + Melissa Marshall] Stay Soft // Part 2 Dec 29, 2023

Content warning: gun violence, homicide, murder, and substance abuse.
Evin and Melissa Marshall shared about the heartbreaking loss of Evin's father, Richard, in part one of their story. The Broken Cycle media team is extremely grateful they were willing to share more of their journey, healing, and the trauma that they continue to sift through in the wake of Richard's absence.
This episode is dedicated in loving memory of Richard Donald Marshall.
Food For Lane County
https://www.foodforlanecounty.org/
For additional resources and a list of non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

49: [Evin + Melissa Marshall] Changed Forever // Part 1 Dec 29, 2023

Content warning: gun violence, homicide, murder, and substance abuse.
Melissa and Evin Marshall's lives changed forever in late February of 2021. The murder of Evin's beloved father, Richard Donald Marshall, deeply impacted people across the country. Evan and Melissa's consequent heartbreak didn't end there though, and neither has their tenacity. Relatedly, it means so much that they were willing to discuss their journey, and all that ensued afterwards with us on What Came next.
This episode is dedicated in loving memory of Richard Donald Marshall.
Food For Lane County
https://www.foodforlanecounty.org/
For additional resources and a list of non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

48: [Chaplain Peggy] If It's Not Fixed, It's Forwarded Dec 22, 2023

Content warning: abuse, child abuse, gun violence, grief, loss, death, and murder.
Chaplain Peggy has been a victim and patient advocate for over twenty years. She found her calling after America faced mass tragedy on September 11th 2001. After that day, she felt forced to answer a deeper call to serve her community, especially for those members in greater need. She also is co-host on the impactful podcast, Near Death, with Nikki Boyer, on which she shares more about her grief work. This conversation with Chaplain Peggy is deeply appreciated. This is also the very first interview we have conducted with an advocate that does not identify as a victim herself, but who has brought much healing and support to the victim community. We are so very grateful for her work with victims and other patients alike, as well as this candid conversation about the intricacies of her experiences as a chaplain in the most populous county in the United States.
Near Death podcast
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/near-death/id1689779166
Peggy's Instagram
http://www.instagram.com/chaplainpeggy
For more resources and a list of non-profit organizations, please visit:
http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

47: [Vanessa V. - Discovery's Unraveled] This Started Twenty Years Ago // Part 2 Dec 15, 2023

*Content warning: suicidal ideation, stalking, cyberstalking, arson, death threats, violent threats.
As shared in Part One of Vanessa V.'s story, we first heard from her on Discovery’s Unraveled. However, her journey as a stalking victim started nearly two decades before her media-based advocacy journey began. Over those two decades, Vanessa experienced escalating, cyclical cyberstalking that effected all facets of her life. Still, Vanessa’s tenacity and strength shines through, as she continues to reinvent herself amidst all that comes next in her battle to be recognized and to receive justice.
Unraveled: The Stalker's Web Podcast
https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/crimefeed/podcasts/unraveled-the-stalkers-web
N.Y. Post Article on Vanessa’s Experiences
https://nypost.com/2021/06/13/women-call-out-staten-island-cyber-stalker-for-revenge-porn/
For more resources, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources

46: [Vanessa V. - Discovery’s Unraveled] Glacier Slow // Part 1 Dec 08, 2023

*Content warning: suicidal ideation, stalking, cyberstalking, arson, death threats, violent threats, and murder.
We first heard Vanessa V.‘s story on Discovery’s Unraveled. However, her journey as a stalking victim started nearly two decades before her media-based advocacy journey began. Over those two decades, Vanessa experienced escalating, cyclical cyberstalking that effected all facets of her life. Still, Vanessa’s tenacity and strength shines through, as she continues to reinvent herself amidst all that comes next in her battle to be recognized and to receive justice.
Unraveled: The Stalker's Web
https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/crimefeed/podcasts/unraveled-the-stalkers-web
For additional resources and a list of non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources

45: [Denise Winters] The Untold Story Dec 01, 2023

Content warning: substance use disorder, substance abuse, sex work, statutory rape, child abuse, sexual abuse, rape, serial rape, murder, and serial murder.
Denise Winters is a mother, author, YouTuber, and victim advocate from Milwaukee, Wisconsin. After a very tumultuous childhood, Denise’s heartache did not stop. She was brutally attacked and raped by a man in her neighborhood in her early twenties. For years, she attempted to report her assault via many different avenues, especially when she realized her attacker was a serial killer haunting Milwaukee and surrounding areas over the span of two decades. Despite never receiving personal justice, she has continued to speak out on behalf of the North Side Strangler’s other victims, and to end the silence she was met with for years. She does so via her book, The Untold Story, The One Who Got Away, as well as her YouTube channel, Sip and Speak the Tea with D and D (which also features Danette Ousley, Denise's cousin, who is another What Came Next guest). The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful for the advocacy and inspiration Denise has mustered, despite all that came next in her journey.
Denise's Instagram:
http://www.instagram.com/denisewinters12
The Untold Story: The One Who Got Away
https://amzn.to/3RmOkrU
Sip and Speak the Tea with D & D
https://www.youtube.com/@sipandspeaktheteawithdd1509
[Danette Ousley] Walk By Faith
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/what-came-next/id1674051643?i=1000605680032

44: [Sarah Manos] Justice in Moving Forward // Part 2 Nov 24, 2023

Content warning: cruelty towards animals, animal abuse, death threats, domestic violence, psychological, emotional, mental, and physical abuse, murder.
As shared in last week’s episode and Part 1 of her story, Sarah Manos is a high school educator and victim advocate from Chicago. After escaping a highly abusive relationship and losing her canine companions Kirby and Daisy to her abuser, Sarah has chosen to share her experiences in and out of the legal and criminal justice system to bring awareness to society and hope to other survivors. She also takes to TikTok to bring ultimate awareness to the women of Illinois, building a community of nearly 70,000 people. The Broken Cycle Media team is immensely grateful for all that Sarah does to teach victims different avenues of advocacy and justice. This episode is dedicated to Kirby & Daisy. Please note this episode does mention animal abuse & cruelty towards animals.
If you or someone you know are experiencing domestic violence, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources for a list of non-profit organizations that can help.
Sarah’s Instagram in honor of Kirby & Daisy
https://instagram.com/sarahs_story_official
Sarah's TikTok
https://www.tiktok.com/@sarahs_story
Sarah’s Story podcast
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/sarahs-story/id1643430859
The National Domestic Violence Hotline
https://www.thehotline.org/
Animal Legal Defense Fund
https://aldf.org/
Sarah’s Petition
https://www.change.org/p/justice-for-kirby-daisy-two-dogs-horrifically-abused-and-killed-by-mathew-berry
PETA
https://support.peta.org/

The Humane Society/The Anti-Cruelty Society
https://anticruelty.org/
Sarah in the Chicago Sun Times
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2021/2/17/22281511/bumble-dogs-killed-sarah-manos-matthew-berry-arlington-heights

43: [Sarah Manos] I Had To Tell Someone // Part 1 Nov 17, 2023

Content warning: animal cruelty, animal abuse, domestic violence, psychological, emotional, mental, and physical abuse, stalking, and death threats.
Sarah Manos is a high school educator and victim advocate from Chicago. In Part One of her story, Sarah shares how she loses her canine companions Kirby and Daisy to her abuser, and eventually escapes the horrifying relationship. In the wake of her loss, Sarah has chosen to share her experiences in and out of the legal and criminal justice system to bring awareness to society and hope to other survivors. She also takes to TikTok to bring ultimate awareness to the women of Illinois, building a community of nearly 70,000 people. The Broken Cycle Media team is immensely grateful for all that Sarah does to teach victims different avenues of advocacy and justice. This episode is dedicated to Kirby & Daisy. Please note this episode does mention animal abuse & cruelty towards animals.
If you or someone you know are experiencing domestic violence, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources for a list of non-profit organizations that can help.
Sarah's TikTok in honor of Kirby & Daisy
https://www.tiktok.com/@sarahs_story
Sarah’s Instagram in honor of Kirby & Daisy
https://instagram.com/sarahs_story_official
The National Domestic Violence Hotline
https://www.thehotline.org/
Animal Legal Defense Fund
https://aldf.org/

42: [Commissioner Jennifer Morrison - The Hero Maker Podcast] Tremendous Ripple Effects Nov 10, 2023

*Content warning: rape, murder, serial murder.
Commissioner Jennifer Morrison has had a long career in public safety and law enforcement. However, her trajectory as an advocate became clearer with the life-altering loss of two dear friends during her formative, college years. It is with this same passion for justice and advocacy that she began a prolific career in public safety, becoming the first female police chief of Colchester County, Vermont and the first female public safety commissioner of the state of Vermont. Her more recent, related efforts in the media are what brought us together though; the Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful she was willing to share all that came next in her journey of advocacy, which includes the creation of her riveting, impactful program, The Hero Maker Podcast.
This episode is dedicated to Rachael Raver, Warren Fulton, the seven other lives lost at the hands of their murderer, and the survivors and co-victims effected by these horrific tragedies.
The Hero Maker Podcast
https://www.theheromakerpodcast.com/
The Center for Council
https://www.centerforcouncil.org/
Poynter Institute
https://www.poynter.org/
The Hero Maker Podcast on X
http://www.x.com/TheHeroMakerPod
Andrea Shreeman on X
http://www.x.com//AndreaShreeman
The Hero Maker Podcast on YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/@TheHeroMakerPod
The Hero Maker Podcast on TikTok
http://www.tiktok.com/@TheHeroMakerPod
The Hero Maker Podcast on Instagram
http://www.instagram.com/TheHeroMakerPod
Prudent Pictures on Instagram
http://www.instagram.com/PrudentPictures
The Hero Maker Podcast on Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/TheHeroMakerPod
For additional resources or related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

41: [Caitlin Mathis] Dedicated To Change Nov 03, 2023

Content warning: divorce, stalking, cyberstalking, murder, and capital murder.
Caitlin Mathis is a victim advocate and survivor from Texas. In the summer between graduating high school and entering college, she began a relationship with a man whose future actions would change her life, and a whole town, forever. After consequently navigating the inner workings of the law enforcement and criminal justice systems during her college years, she now shares in the media all that came next in her journey. Caitlin hopes to inspire awareness and change for survivors everywhere, in honor of Jackie Vandagriff and all other victims. We are so grateful for her work and all the good she’s spurred from her heartache.
SPARC: Stalking Prevention, Awareness, & Resource Center
https://www.stalkingawareness.org/stalking-awareness-month/
Jackie's endowment:
https://giving.twu.edu/donor-relations/vandagriff-scholars
For more resources and a list of related non-profit organizations, please visit:
http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

40: [Danny Cords] An Upstander Unto Yourself Oct 27, 2023

*Content warning: divorce, conversion therapy, reorientation therapy, cyberstalking, stalking, fraudulent reporting, emotional and psychological abuse, death threats, and criminal threats.
Danny Cords is an organizational psychologist and victim advocate from Seattle. He began harnessing his voice and speaking out for others after leaving conversion therapy in his late teens. But his advocacy mission only intensified after being subjected to years of cyberstalking. He hopes to bring awareness and healing to victims all over the world, as well as legal change too. His related (and unrelated) work and efforts have been featured on the stage, television, radio, podcasts, and more. We are extremely grateful that Danny was willing to share all that came next in his personal, professional, legal, and media journeys. This conversation is even more timely, considering October is Cyberstalking Awareness Month.
Danny Cords's website
https://www.dannycords.com/
Cybersecurity & Infrastructure Security Agency Info on Cyberstalking Awareness Month
https://www.cisa.gov/cybersecurity-awareness-month

Rand Corporation on Cybersecurity
https://www.rand.org/topics/cybersecurity.html
Stalking Prevention, Awareness, & Resource Center stalking statistics
https://www.stalkingawareness.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/General-Stalking-Infographic.pdf
Organization for Social Media Safety
https://www.socialmediasafety.org/
End Tab
endtab.org
The GSBA
https://thegsba.org/
Strictly Stalking Podcast
https://www.instagram.com/strictlystalkingpod/
And don't forget to check out Ten Things to Tell You with Laura Tremaine on your preferred podcasting platform!
For additional resources, please visit:
http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

39: [WCN Presents] SWW S14 Updates // Part 2 Oct 20, 2023

*Content warning: domestic abuse, child abuse, domestic violence, and non-consensual pornography.
In Part 2 of Season 14 updates, Kaylan and Melissa continue their conversation regarding life after their season ended, and their continuous child support battle in court with Jake Gravbrot. Kaylan and Melissa also explain, from their perspectives, the nuances of the court system and how the court handles child support cases. The survivors discuss how many more women have come forward explaining their interactions with Gravbrot, and how he is still very active on dating apps and social media. Lastly, Kaylan and Melissa share all they have learned about various forms of abuse, narcissism, life after an abusive relationship, and how much their lives have positively changed since sharing their story on SWW.
Season 14 of SWW
https://somethingwaswrong.com/14-2/
Change.org Hold Jake Accountable
https://www.change.org/p/seattle-police-department-hold-jake-gravbrot-accountable
The Stranger on Jake Gravbrot
https://www.thestranger.com/cops/2023/01/06/78802686/after-months-spd-finally-responds-to-allegations-of-serial-sexual-assault
'Your Pocket Therapist' Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/your_pocket_therapist/
For additional resources and support, please visit:
http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources

38: [WCN Presents] SWW S14 Updates // Part 1 Oct 13, 2023

*Content warning: domestic abuse, child abuse, domestic violence, and non-consensual pornography.
Season Fourteen of Something Was Wrong began airing on October 20th, 2022 and the last episode aired on January 3rd, 2023. The season highlighted the narratives of Kaylan, Melissa, and Sara and their very toxic, abusive relationships with a man named Jake, as well as the abuse their children faced. As the season progressed, it included several accounts from other victims and acquaintances of Jake as well. Jake continued to leverage his professional connections in the media to add validity to his dating presence and in turn, victimized over forty women. On December 13th, 2022, the guests of Season 14 also participated in a SWW Live event on which they discussed the impact of the season & answered some listeners’ questions. One week later, a petition was created to call for Jake to face legal accountability. And despite the fact that less than a year passing since its release, quite a lot has happened. The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful for Kaylan, Melissa, and Sara’s involvement, as well as the rest of the guests' of season 14, and the impact their sharing has made. We are also grateful to host this conversation with Kaylan and Melissa about all that’s come next since Season 14 aired.
Season 14 of SWW
https://somethingwaswrong.com/14-2/
Change.org Hold Jake Accountable
https://www.change.org/p/seattle-police-department-hold-jake-gravbrot-accountable
The Stranger on Jake Gravbrot
https://www.thestranger.com/cops/2023/01/06/78802686/after-months-spd-finally-responds-to-allegations-of-serial-sexual-assault
Seattle Times: Seattle police stopped investigating new adult sexual assaults
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/times-watchdog/seattle-police-halted-investigating-adult-sexual-assaults-this-year-internal-memo-shows/
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For additional resources and support, please visit:
http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources

37: [Nicole Bowman] It’s a Heavy Role Oct 06, 2023

*Content warning: substance use disorder, addiction, suicidal ideation, child abuse, emotional, mental, and environmental abuse.
Nicole Bowman is a mother, writer, blogger, and former teacher. She utilizes her degrees in education, childhood development, & English, as well as her active pursuit to be a therapist to create thoughtful, advocacy-based content. Through live stage performances, blogging, poetry, and autobiographical writing, Nicole shares about the nuances of the abuse she faced as a child, as well as her healing process. We are so grateful that she was willing to speak to us today about all that came next for her amidst her journey through motherhood and the process of unparenting herself.
Nicole's website
https://www.allthethingsmotherish.com/
Nicole's Instagram
http://www.instagram.com/allthethingsmotherish
Expressing Motherhood
https://expressingmotherhood.com/
For additional resources:
http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

36: [Jimanekia Eborn] Everyone Does Survivorship Differently Sep 29, 2023

*Content warning: sexual assault, rape, domestic violence, and murder.
Jimanekia Eborn is a survivor, advocate, and mental health professional whose expertise focuses on healing from trauma and sexual assault. Despite experiencing great loss and grief as early as she can remember, she has also always been a loving force to be reckoned with. Thus, she utilizes her own grief and experiences, as well as her status as a co-victim of murder, to advocate for victims from marginalized communities and beyond. We are so grateful she joined us today to share all that has come next for her amidst her professional, personal, legal, and media journeys.
Jimanekia’s website
https://traumaqueen.love/
Jimanekia’s Podcast, Trauma Queen
https://traumaqueen.love/podcast
Jimanekia’s Instagram
https://instagram.com/jimanekia
Jimanekia’s X
https://twitter.com/Jimanekia
Tending the Garden
https://www.tendingthegarden.love/
Lenora Claire Consulting
https://www.lenoraclairellc.com/
For additional resources visit
http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources
And don’t forget to check out Inhuman Podcast wherever you listen to podcasts!

35: [Gloria Masters] Handing the Shame Back Sep 22, 2023

*Content warning: rape, miscarriage, forced abortion, medical trauma, sex slavery, sexual abuse, sex trafficking, child abuse, childhood sexual assault, child pornograpy, non-consensual pornography, suicidal ideation, attempted suicide
Gloria Masters is a former teacher and child & adolescent therapist from Auckland, New Zealand. Over the last several decades and through her incredible professional life, she has worked deeply to change the future for our youth. But it wasn’t until a few years ago that she began dedicating her life to a new mission: using her own horrific, childhood experiences as a trafficked sex slave, and all that came next in her healing journey, to bring awareness and change to the world. We are so grateful for all of Gloria’s efforts and her willingness to share today on What Came Next.
Gloria's website
https://gloriamasters.com/
Gloria's books
https://gloriamasters.com/shop/
Gloria's YouTube Channel, Handing the Shame Back
https://www.youtube.com/@handingtheshameback
Gloria’s Instagram
https://instagram.com/handingtheshameback
What is Human Trafficking?
https://www.dhs.gov/blue-campaign/what-human-trafficking
What is CBT?
https://www.apa.org/ptsd-guideline/patients-and-families/cognitive-behavioral
Additional resources:
http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources
And don’t forget to check out Once Upon a Crime on all podcasting platforms!

34: [Lily Sanders] Love is Your Birthright Sep 15, 2023

*Content warning: disordered eating, anorexia, homophobia, severe physical, mental, emotional, financial, and litigative abuse, rape, and domestic violence.
Lily Sanders is a dancer, author, actress and advocate with extensive creative and professional resumes. However, it wasn’t until escaping domestic violence that she found her ultimate calling. We are so grateful she was willing to discuss her journey and mission in the media, as well as all that came next for her after freeing herself from extreme physical violence.
Thank you, HelloFresh, for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget to go to HelloFresh.com/50wcn and use code 50wcn for 50% off plus 15% off the next 2 months!
Lily’s website
https://lilysanders.live/
Lily’s Podcast, Beyond The Current Situation
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/beyond-the-current-situation/id1515225713
Lily's Book, Truth to Triumph: A Spiritual Guide to Finding Your Truth
https://amzn.to/48dcL1w
Lily’s Instagram
https://instagram.com/lily_sanders_author
If you or someone you know is experiencing domestic violence, or for more resources and info on non-profits, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

33: [Conor + Kathy Crippen - TikTok] One Grain of Sand at a Time Sep 08, 2023

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of drunk driving, reckless driving, medical trauma, & traumatic brain injury.
Conor Crippen is a survivor and victim advocate from Ohio. Upon his entrance to college at Loyola University Chicago, Conor studied neuroscience and biology. It would be just under a year into his educational career though that his plans were cut short by a drunk driver. As a result of the accident, he suffered a traumatic brain injury, and began a new life of recovery. We are so grateful that Conor (and his mom Kathy) were willing to join us to talk about all that came next in their journey, as well as the inspiration they hope to spread with their journey.
Conor’s website
https://www.conorcrippen.com
Conor's TikTok
https://www.tiktok.com/@crippenconor
Conor's Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/crippenconor/
Just Give Me The Road by Anne Marie Romer
https://amzn.to/4860AU4
Gabby Gifford Life-Saving Surgery
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2011/apr/27/gabrielle-giffords-brain-surgery-technique
CBS News on Deborah Zelinsky’s Research
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/chicago/news/brain-glasses-concussion-disability/
For additional resources, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Thank you to Kitsch for sponsoring this episode! Don’t forget to visit mykitsch.com/WCN for 30% off your next order.

32: [Alexa Weinbaum - TikTok] Take Your Power Back Sep 01, 2023

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of underage drinking, drug use, overdose, respite care, disordered eating, anorexia, avoidant restrictive food intake disorder, coercive control, stalking, statutory rape, rape, emotional, mental, psychological, physical, and sexual abuse, suicidal ideation, and attempted murder.
Lexi Weinbaum is an athlete, student, and victim advocate from Connecticut. She began riding horses competitively at a very young age, and eventually pivoted to become a Division 1 collegiate runner. However, beyond Lexi’s incredible physical prowess, her ability to overcome adversity (especially at such a young age), is what stands out most. What came after an attempt at Lexi's life, as well as her vulnerability and poise, all leave a lasting impression on everyone who listens.
Alexa's TikTok
https://www.tiktok.com/@lexiweinbaum
Alexa’s Instagram
https://instagram.com/alexaweinbaum
For additional resources, please visit http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources

31: [Cheryl Hunter] We Are Not Our Bodies Aug 25, 2023

*Content warning: kidnapping, abduction, rape, child abuse, stalking, trafficking, and suicidal ideation
Cheryl Hunter is television writer and producer, as well as a survivor advocate. Her efforts have been seen on NBC, CNN, Dr. Oz, The TED Talk stage, and many more major media platforms. But her journey of sharing about her traumatic abduction and assaults did not begin immediately. On this episode of What Came Next, listen to Cheryl share what propelled her to finally be open about her trauma, and what compels her to continue to speak out on behalf of victims everywhere.
Cheryl’s website
https://cherylhunter.com/
USE IT: Turn Setbacks into Success
https://www.amazon.com/USE-Turn-Setbacks-into-Success/dp
Cheryl’s Instagram
https://instagram.com/huntercheryl
Information about Wabi Sabi
https://japanobjects.com/features/wabi-sabi
Much gratitude to this week’s sponsor, Hello Fresh. Don’t forget to visit HelloFresh.com/50wcn for 50% off plus free shipping on your first order!

30: [Cassandra Lane] We Are Bridges Aug 18, 2023

*Content warning: book banning, rape, sexual abuse, domestic violence, police brutality, racism, segregation, lynching, and murder.
Cassandra Lane is an award-winning author, journalist, artist, and speaker. Her beautiful memoir, We Are Bridges, is a labor of love born from generational trauma, as well as years of healing (and honing her craft). We are honored that Cassandra was willing to speak with us about what came next after her great-grandfather’s lynching in the early 1900’s, and how she was left healing her family’s residual trauma upon her entrance to motherhood.
We Are Bridges by Cassandra Lane
https://amzn.to/3s0XJLJ
Cassandra on Instgram
http://www.instagram.com/cassandra.lane71
History of Lynchings in America
https://naacp.org/find-resources/history-explained/history-lynching-america
Billie Holiday's Strange Fruit
https://youtu.be/Web007rzSOI
LA Parent Magazine
https://www.laparent.com/
PEN America: Book Bans
https://pen.org/issue/book-bans/
Additional resources:
http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Thank you Kitsch, for sponsoring this episode. Don’t forget to visit http://www.mykitsch.com/WCN for 30% your order!

29: [Jan Broberg - Abducted in Plain Sight] Coming Out of the Fog // Part 2 Aug 11, 2023

Content warning: child abuse, coercive control, stalking, kidnapping, sexual abuse, sexual assault, rape, pedophilia, fraud, and suicide.
In this second part of Jan’s story, she continues to share about the grooming and sexual abuse she and her parents experienced at the hands of a neighbor. All that she’s done to heal since the abuse ended - which includes a book, a Netflix documentary entitled Abducted in Plain Sight, Peacock's scripted series called A Friend of the Family, her non-profit, podcast, and more - are beautiful examples of resiliency and strength. Thus, we are so grateful she joined us today to share all that came next for her as a survivor and parent.
The Jan Broberg Foundation
https://thejanbrobergfoundation.org/
Jan’s Thrivivor Community
https://www.thrivivors.com/
Jan’s Podcast
https://www.thejanbrobergshow.com/
Jan's Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/janibroberg/
Peacock’s A Friend of the Family
https://www.peacocktv.com/stream-tv/a-friend-of-the-family
Netflix’s Abducted in Plain Sight
https://www.netflix.com/title/81000864
What Happened to Bob Berchtold?
https://www.nbc.com/nbc-insider/what-happened-to-robert-berchtold-a-friend-of-the-family
Additional resources + non-profit ogranizations:
http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

28: [Jan Broberg - Abducted in Plain Sight] Based on Science Fiction // Part 1 Aug 11, 2023

Content warning: child abuse, coercive control, stalking, kidnapping, sexual abuse, sexual assault, rape, pedophilia, fraud, and suicide.
Jan Broberg is a mother, actress, speaker, and advocate. When she was a young girl, she and her parents faced grooming and sexual abuse at the hands of a neighbor. The events that unfolded afterwards, which include two childhood abductions by the same man, are a clear example of grooming and the cyclical nature of abuse. However, all that she’s done to heal since - which includes a book, a Netflix documentary entitled Abducted in Plain Sight, Peacock's scripted series called A Friend of the Family, her non-profit, podcast, and more - are also beautiful examples of resiliency and strength. Thus, we are so grateful she joined us today to share all that came next for her as a survivor and parent.
Thank you Kitsch, for sponsoring this episode. Don’t forget to visit http://www.mykitsch.com/WCN for 30% your order!
The Jan Broberg Foundation
https://thejanbrobergfoundation.org/
Jan’s Thrivivor Community
https://www.thrivivors.com/
Jan’s Podcast
https://www.thejanbrobergshow.com/
Jan's Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/janibroberg/
Peacock’s A Friend of the Family
https://www.peacocktv.com/stream-tv/a-friend-of-the-family
Netflix’s Abducted in Plain Sight
https://www.netflix.com/title/81000864
What Happened to Bob Berchtold?
https://www.nbc.com/nbc-insider/what-happened-to-robert-berchtold-a-friend-of-the-family
Additional resources + non-profit ogranizations:
http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

27: [What Came Next] Thank You! Aug 04, 2023

This week we are taking some time for gratitude. A big THANK YOU to all of our past and future What Came Next guests, as well as our ever-growing community of listeners. This show couldn't exist without all of you. Listen to this week’s mini-sode for a sneak peek at who next week’s guest will be. And please consider taking the time to catch up on past episodes, leave a positive review, or follow What Came Next on Instagram. Thank you!
What Came Next on Instagram
http://www.instagram.com/whatcamenext_podcast
For additional resources please visit:
http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources

26: [What Came Next Presents] SWW S9 Updates // Part 2 Jul 28, 2023

Content warning: domestic violence, verbal, physical, and mental abuse, threats, stalking, litigation abuse, and fraud.
Danielle is a mom, successful entrepreneur, and domestic violence survivor whose journey was highlighted in Season 9 of Something Was Wrong. The season centered around Danielle’s narrative, navigating a very difficult relationship to a man named Ardie. She eventually went on to co-parent with him; there were struggles in the courtroom, out of the courtroom, and with other women he was defrauding. In season nine we also get to hear from Kenji, the husband of Darcy (one of the other women Ardie was dating, deceiving, and abusing). Since the season’s release in August 2021, Danielle has experienced many legal, professional, and personal updates. Tiffany Reese joins Danielle and Amy on these WCN Presents SWW Updates to help shed light on all that’s come next in Danielle’s journey after sharing her story on Something Was Wrong. We are so grateful for this conversation and all that Danielle does to advocate for other victims.
Something Was Wrong S9 Trailer
https://wondery.com/shows/something-was-wrong/episode/10716-season-9-trailer/

Additional Resources:
http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

25: [What Came Next Presents] SWW S9 Updates // Part 1 Jul 28, 2023

Content warning: domestic violence, verbal, physical, and mental abuse, threats, stalking, litigation abuse, and fraud.
Danielle is a mom, successful entrepreneur, and domestic violence survivor whose journey was highlighted in Season 9 of Something Was Wrong. The season centered around Danielle’s narrative, navigating a very difficult relationship to a man named Ardie. She eventually went on to co-parent with him; there were struggles in the courtroom, out of the courtroom, and with other women he was defrauding. In season nine we also get to hear from Kenji, the husband of Darcy (one of the other women Ardie was dating, deceiving, and abusing). Since the season’s release in August 2021, Danielle has experienced many legal, professional, and personal updates. Tiffany Reese joins Danielle and Amy on these WCN Presents SWW Updates to help shed light on all that’s come next in Danielle’s journey after sharing her story on Something Was Wrong. We are so grateful for this conversation and all that Danielle does to advocate for other victims.
Thank you to HelloFresh for sponsoring this episode. Don’t forget to visit HelloFresh.com/WCN50 to receive 50% off your order + free shipping on your first order!
Something Was Wrong S9 Trailer
https://wondery.com/shows/something-was-wrong/episode/10716-season-9-trailer/
Additional Resources:
http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

24: [Chelsea] Our Teacher Hats Went On Jul 21, 2023

*Content warning: gun violence, mass murder, depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation
Chelsea is a mother, teacher, survivor of gun violence, and advocate from Calabasas, California. Amy has known Chelsea since first grade, and although their paths diverged after high school, social media helped them stay in general touch. However, it wasn’t until Chelsea posted about her escape from a mass shooting on the anniversary of her survival, that Amy began to learn more about her friend’s more recent journey. The shooting at the Route 91 Music Festival has been featured on many major media platforms and mediums, but Chelsea has never shared her journey publicly. Thus, we are eternally grateful she was willing to share her experiences, and all that’s come next for her within her healing.
Marking Five Years Since The Route 91 Harvest Festival Shooting
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/five-years-after-the-route-91-harvest-festival-tragedy-in-las-vegas-pain-is-still-felt/2995300/
Remembering The Victims of the Route 91 Harvest Festival Shooting
https://www.nmvvrc.org/remembering-las-vegas-route-91-harvest-festival/
Additional resources + non-profit organizations
http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

23: [John Callas] When The Rain Stops Jul 14, 2023

Content Warning: child abuse, physical, mental, and emotional abuse, bullying, harassment, suicidal ideation, suicide, and murder.
John Callas is a writer, director, and producer with an extensive list of projects including his six novels, the television show Bobby's World, the film No Solicitors, and much more. His career began in the mid-seventies, and offered John a creative outlet after a very tumultuous childhood. From losing his father at a young age to surviving highly abusive school environments, John’s narrative is a true testament of tribulation after trials. He joins us today to share all that came next for him after publicly disclosing his difficult childhood, and releasing a memoir that was fifty years-in-the-making.
John’s Filmography & Website
https://johncallas.com/
John’s Amazon Author Page
https://www.amazon.com/stores/John-Callas/author/
When The Rain Stops by John Callas
https://amzn.to/3NsEhQj
John’s YouTube Channel
https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCDLu6O11LsBeGZHKHCcNUcw
John’s IMDB
https://m.imdb.com/name/nm0130327/
John’s Amazon Author Page
https://www.amazon.com/John-Callas/e/B004U7GSZA
John’s Writing on Medium
https://medium.com/@johncallas

22: [John-Michael Lander] An Athlete’s Silence Jul 07, 2023

*Content warning: childhood abuse, sexual abuse, homophobia, stalking, rape, physical violence, sex trafficking, suicidal ideation, and suicide
John-Michael Lander is a former Olympic-bound diver and current actor, author, speaker, and victim advocate. His words and efforts have been seen everywhere from TIME magazine to the TED Talk stage. He has entitled his experiences of sexual abuse and trafficking “An Athlete’s Silence.” By sharing his story, his goal is to bring awareness to predatory practices in the athletic and education worlds, as well as to change the way society receives sexual abuse victims. I am so honored he joined me today to discuss how he’s transformed all that came next for him into healing for athletes of all ages.
Thank you, Kitsch, for sponsoring this episode! To receive 30% off your order, be sure to visit mykitsch.com/wcn
Episode *Content warning: child sexual abuse, rape, physical violence, stalking, sex trafficking, self-harm, suicidal ideation, suicide attempts
Resources:
Darkness to Light: End Child Sexual Abuse - http://d2l.org
The Army of Survivors - https://thearmyofsurvivors.org/
National Coalition to End Sexual Exploitation - https://endsexualexploitation.org/
End Violence Against Women International: https://evawintl.org/
Survivor Space: https://survivorspace.org/
Additional resources + non-profit organizations: http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Sources:

Department of Homeland Security. (n.d.). Human Trafficking. Retrieved July 8, 2024, from https://www.dhs.gov/hsi/investigate/human-trafficking
National Human Trafficking Hotline. (n.d.). National Statistics. https://humantraffickinghotline.org/en/statistics
Darkness 2 Light. (2023). Child Sexual Abuse Updates. https://www.d2l.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Child-Sexual-Abuse-Updates.pdf
Strauss Investigation. (n.d.). Ohio State University. https://straussinvestigation.osu.edu/
Burga, S. (2023, April 23). Congress Re-Introduces Bill to Protect Kids from Online Sexual Abuse. Here’s What To Know. Time Magazine. https://time.com/6273895/congress-re-introduces-bill-to-protect-kids-from-online-sexual-abuse/

John-Michael Lander:
An Athlete’s Silence: https://anathletessilence.com/
John-Michael’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/johnmichaellander
Surface Tension by John-Michael Lander: https://amzn.to/3q7K1pt
Cracked Surface by John-Michael Lander: https://amzn.to/42499uk

21: [Tina Swithin] One Mom's Battle Jun 30, 2023

Episode *Content warning: This episode includes discussion of domestic violence, child abuse, murder, suicide, and physical, mental, emotional, and litigation abuse.
Tina Swithin is a mother, author, speaker, and victim advocate in the family court arena. Her blog, “One Mom’s Battle,” as well as her online platforms and groups, offer support for those going through divorces or custody battles to hundreds of thousands of people each month. Her journey in the family court system began at her own birth, then continued after escaping her abusive marriage and seeking full custody of her children. She uses her experience and ever-growing expertise to enact social and legal change in the family court landscape, and I’m so glad she joined us today to share what came next for her amidst her very taxing battle.
One Mom’s Battle by Tina Swithin
https://www.onemomsbattle.com/
Tina Swithin’s books
https://www.amazon.com/stores/Tina-Swithin/author/B00IR0KRSK
Family Court Awareness Month
https://familycourtawarenessmonth.org/
National Safe Parents Organization
https://www.nationalsafeparents.org/
George Washington University National Family Violence Law Center
https://www.law.gwu.edu/national-family-violence-law-center
Leah Moses on The Murder of Her Son, Ohm Moses Ghandi
https://ksltv.com/550977/mother-of-teen-murdered-by-his-father-says-the-system-failed-her/
Olivia Gentile via Insider
https://www.insider.com/author/olivia-gentile
Hannah Dreyfus via Propublica
https://www.propublica.org/people/hannah-dreyfus-2
Alienation Industry on Reunification Camps
https://www.alienationindustry.com/
Google Doc of Murder Victims Amidst Media-Covered Custody Battles
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1BALQKC3jl9X-j4uImBfjE39juWKXEs-9/view?pli=1
Free + Confidential resources: somethingwaswrong.com/resources

20: [Kimberly Corban & Kara Robinson Chamberlain] Multi-Dimensional, Complex Humans Jun 23, 2023

Episode *Content warning: child molestation, abduction, stalking, suicide, physical, mental, emotional, and sexual abuse.
Kimberly Corban and Kara Robinson Chamberlain are victim advocates and survivors that both turned their traumas into careers in the criminal justice and media spaces. Although their experiences are different in nature, what came next in their journeys have heavily affected their shared mission in the true crime space. They both hope to inspire awareness and healing in the survivor community through their many media efforts, which range from public speaking gigs to a scripted film. They also recently celebrated the launch of their own podcast, Survivors' Guide to True Crime; we are so grateful they were willing to discuss the layeredness of their experiences.
Survivors' Guide to True Crime
https://www.survivorsguidetotruecrime.com/
Kimberly's website
https://www.kimberlycorban.com/
Kara's website
https://www.kararobinsonchamberlain.com/
Kimberly's Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/kimberly_corban
Kara's Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/kararobinsonchamberlain
End Violence Against Women International
https://evawintl.org/

19: [Carol Oschin] It's Hard To Heal Jun 16, 2023

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of antisemitism, racism, verbal abuse, impaired driving, alcohol abuse, vehicular manslaughter, and murder.
Carol Oschin is a mother, model, actress, speaker, victim advocate, and co-victim of manslaughter. Since losing her beloved son, (former child actor) Jordan, she has used her experiences to educate others about grief and the dangers of drunk driving.
Jordan Oschin was born on January 24, 1982 & was killed on February 14th 2014. In his 32 years he made a deep impact on all of those who knew him, and through his short, vibrant career even those who didn’t. His memory will remain to be a blessing for all who had the privilege of knowing him.
Daily News on Carol and Jordan Oschin
https://www.dailynews.com/2016/07/15/how-a-mom-whose-son-was-killed-by-a-drunk-driver-turned-grief-into-action/
The Grief Diaries: Loss By Impaired Driving
https://amzn.to/465Hz39
Impaired Driving Statistics
https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/drunk-driving
Impaired Driving Fatality Statistics
https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/early-estimate-2021-traffic-fatalities#:~:text=NHTSA%20projects%20that%20an%20estimated,Fatality%20Analysis%20Reporting%20System's%20history
Carol Oschin on TMZ regarding Michael Richards
https://www.tmz.com/2006/11/22/richards-rant-not-the-first-time/
Free + Confidential resources: somethingwaswrong.com/resources

18: [Stacie Burrows] My Armor Has Been Humor Jun 09, 2023

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of substance abuse, gun violence, violent threats, self-harm, suicide, suicidal ideation, stalking, emotional, mental, psychological, and physical abuse.
Stacie Burrows is a comedian & writer from Topanga, California by way of Texas. We first met about a decade ago while we both performed in a live show centered around motherhood. Although I connected with her musical comedy then, it wasn’t until I watched her one-woman live show, Bulletproof Unicorn, that I truly understood the scope of her strength and tenacity. This week, Stacie is sharing her experiences with domestic violence and sibling abuse, as well as what came next for her after she turned the aftermath of her grief into a one-woman comedy show.
Sources:
Stacie’s website
https://www.stacieburrows.com/
The Bulletproof Unicorn on IG
https://instagram.com/bulletproofunicornshow
Nailed It (feat. The Assless Chaps) by Mommy Tonk
https://music.apple.com/us/album/nailed-it-feat-the-assless-chaps/1296705221
Expressing Motherhood
https://expressingmotherhood.com/
Edinburgh Fringe Festival
https://www.edfringe.com
Free + Confidential resources: somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Sponsors:
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17: [Dr. Danielle Moore] No Longer A Number Jun 02, 2023

*Content warning: self-harm, child abuse, physical, mental, emotional, and sexual abuse and assault.
Dr. Danielle Moore is a doctorate of forensic psychology, victim advocate, and former competitive gymnast. Despite the fact that her tumultuous journey has included extensive abuse and physical and emotional pain, Dr. Dani is a true beacon of hope for survivors. No matter what came next for her, she has managed to channel her energies into advocacy, to make true change in athletic systems all-around.
The Army of Survivors
https://thearmyofsurvivors.org/
The Army of Survivors on Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/thearmyofsurvivors/
Dr. Danielle Moore on Instagram
http://www.instagram.com/dr.dani2016
End Violence Against Women International
https://evawintl.org/
More info on Duluth Model of Power & Control
https://www.theduluthmodel.org/wheels/
Indystar Expose on the Abuse w/ Rachel Denhollander
https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2016/09/12/former-usa-gymnastics-doctor-accused-abuse/89995734/
USA Today on College Athlete Sexual Assaults
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/08/26/college-athlete-report-sexual-assault-common-survey/8253766002/
Free + Confidential resources: somethingwaswrong.com/resources

16: [Lili Greer] A Significant Impact May 26, 2023

*Content warning: destruction of property, stalking, abduction, domestic violence, physical violence, and murder.
Lili Greer is a victim advocate and survivor from Australia. Her mother’s life was stolen by her former partner in 2012, when Lili was just thirteen. Since then, Lili has never stopped searching for and advocating for her mom, Tina, no matter what comes next in her journey. In this episode, she explains the Australian criminal justice system thoroughly, and her shocking experiences as a victim within. Utilizing her knowledge, she has also managed to carve out an impactful career in victim advocacy over the last several years. Her narrative is one of tenacity and pure strength, and we’re honored she spoke with us about all that has transpired over the last decade.
Episode Note Sources:
The Tina Greer Project website
https://www.thetinagreerproject.com/
The Tina Greer Project on Instagram
http://www.instagram.com/thetinagreerproject
The Tina Greer Project on TikTok
https://www.tiktok.com/@thetinagreerproject?_t=8cdm8xW4oep&_r=1
The Tina Greer Project Petition
https://chng.it/GJPCJrT94Z
Missing Persons Advocacy Network Guide
https://www.missingpersonsguide.com/
Mission Australia Domestic Violence Statistics
https://www.missionaustralia.com.au/domestic-and-family-violence-statistics#
World Health Organization on Violence Against Women
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/violence-against-women
Respect Women via WHO
https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/WHO-RHR-18.19
Free + Confidential resources: somethingwaswrong.com/resources

15: [Elissa Wall - Keep Sweet: Prey & Obey] Quantum Leap // Part 2 May 19, 2023

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of infertility, miscarriages, stillbirth, statutory rape, religious, cultic, sexual, physical, emotional, and mental abuse.
Elissa Wall is a mother, author, survivor, and advocate whose incredible work has appeared on everything from Oprah to Netflix. In this second part of her story, Quantum Leap, we are given insight into Elissa’s healing journey, as well as what it’s taken her community to rebuild. We are so grateful for her continued openness and advocacy.
Elissa’s website
http://www.elissawall.com
Elissa’s book, “Stolen Innocence”
https://amzn.to/3SqMQL7
Elissa’s Instagram:
http://www.instagram.com/elissa.wall
Holding Out Help, Salt Lake City
https://holdingouthelp.org/
Cherish Families, Short Creek
https://cherishfamilies.org/
Short Creek Dream Center
https://www.shortcreekdreamcenter.org/
Washington Post statistics on Rape
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/06/less-than-percent-rapes-lead-felony-convictions-least-percent-victims-face-emotional-physical-consequences/
Women’s Health on Warren Jeffs sentence
https://www.womenshealthmag.com/life/a40220506/warren-jeffs-now/

14: [Elissa Wall - Keep Sweet: Pray & Obey] A Little Spark // Part 1 May 19, 2023

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of infertility, miscarriages, stillbirth, suicidal ideation, statutory rape, and mental, emotional, religious, cultic, sexual, and physical abuse.
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Elissa Wall is a mother, author, survivor, and advocate whose incredible work has appeared on everything from Oprah to Netflix. After freeing herself from an early life in the Fundamentalist Church, Elissa reinvented herself and her career several times. Yet at the heart of all her work is her incredible storytelling abilities. Most recently, she appeared in the documentary, Keep Sweet: Pray & Obey, in which she shared a bit of her journey and healing. The production made it clear that Elissa’s wisdom and poise are unrivaled, and that there was so much more to her story than four poignant episodes could illustrate. We are so grateful Elissa was willing to share the rest of what came next for her with us.
Elissa’s website
http://www.elissawall.com
Elissa’s book, “Stolen Innocence”
https://amzn.to/3SqMQL7
Elissa’s Instagram:
http://www.instagram.com/elissa.wall
Holding Out Help, Salt Lake City
https://holdingouthelp.org/
Cherish Families, Short Creek
https://cherishfamilies.org/
Short Creek Dream Center
https://www.shortcreekdreamcenter.org/
Washington Post statistics on Rape
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/06/less-than-percent-rapes-lead-felony-convictions-least-percent-victims-face-emotional-physical-consequences/
Women’s Health on Warren Jeffs sentence
https://www.womenshealthmag.com/life/a40220506/warren-jeffs-now/
Free + Confidential resources: somethingwaswrong.com/resources

13: [Amy B. Chesler - Evil Lives Here] The Darkest Times Are All Behind Me May 12, 2023

*Content warning: death threats, litigation, sibling, verbal and sexual abuse, stalking, and murder.
Thank you, BetterHelp, for sponsoring this episode! Don't forget to visit http://www.betterhelp.com/wcn for 10% off your first month of services.
Amy B. Chesler is an author, podcaster, survivor, and victim advocate. Amy shared her experiences of sibling abuse, as well as her mother’s murder, on Something Was Wrong Season 7. Her consequent experiences in the criminal justice system & the media are largely what inspired the creation of the show, What Came Next. WCNEpisode 1, [Amy B. Chesler] This Shit Doesn’t End (released 3/3/23) highlights the continued abuse and terror she faced at the hands of her imprisoned brother; in this episode she explains how she was finally freed from the criminal justice systems (in just the last few weeks) since this podcast’s launch.
Something Was Wrong Season 7:
https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/2dec880d-db88-4156-aa12-4f82dc496422/episodes/adb93563-71ee-484a-82a8-b74b74aec0c7/something-was-wrong-s7-e1-extreme-anger?ref=dm_sh_BeYRh06neVQMkqxYAAAP0lFnU
What Came Next, Episode 1: [Amy B. Chesler] This Sh*t Doesn’t End (SWW S7 Updates Part 1)
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/amy-b-chesler-this-sh-t-doesnt-end/id1674051643?i=1000602598564
Amy’s Instagram
http://www.instagram.com/amybchesler
Amy’s Facebook
http://www.Facebook.com/amybchesler
Working for Justice: One Family’s Tale of Murder, Betrayal, & Healing
https://amzn.to/42adAo7
Amy’s Petition (Now Closed):
https://chng.it/fxqZyJRR
Free + Confidential resources: somethingwaswrong.com/resources

12: [Collier Landry - A Murder in Mansfield] Destroy That Narrative May 05, 2023

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of murder, violence, emotional & physical abuse, homophobia, abandonment, infidelity, and child endangerment.
Collier Landry is a filmmaker, podcaster, speaker, & victim advocate living in Santa Monica, California. His documentary, A Murder in Mansfield, is a poignant tale of the slaying of his mother and the resulting trauma that followed. What came next in Collier’s journey and healing was largely driven by Noreen’s memory, as well as his mission to inspire others that have dealt with similar loss. Much of Collier’s work centers around ‘moving past murder,’ and strengthening our narratives after trauma. He is also celebrating the recent release of his new podcast, The Survivor Squad, which he co-hosts with Terra Newell.
Something Was Wrong Resources
http://somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Sources:
Collier’s website:
http://www.collierlandry.com
The Survivor Squad Podcast w/ Collier Landry and Terra Newell
https://www.thesurvivorsquad.com/
Collier’s Instagram:
http://www.instagram.com/collierlandry
Collier’s TikTok:
http://www.tiktok.com/collierlandry
Moving Past Trauma w/ Collier Landry:
https://www.collierlandry.com/podcast
A Murder in Mansfield:
https://www.amazon.com/Murder-Mansfield-Season-1/dp/B07NBRNBGB
Collier’s TED Talk
https://www.ted.com/talks/collier_landry_what_happens_when_the_answers_we_seek_are_not_what_we_find?language=en
Forensic Files featuring Collier Landry
https://www.forensicfilesfiles.com/jack-boyle-noreen-boyle-collier-landry.php
United Nations Office on Drugs & Crime Statistics on Intimate Partner Violence/Murder
https://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/crime/UN_BriefFem_251121.pdf
National Coalition Against Domestic Violence Statistics
https://ncadv.org/STATISTICS
National Coalition Against Domestic Violence Resources
https://ncadv.org/resources

11: [Terra Newell - L.A. Times' Dirty John] Nothing Prepares You Apr 28, 2023

Episode *Content warning: This episode includes discussion of coercive control, domestic violence, physical, emotional, and mental abuse, violence, physical assault, weapons, and murder.
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Terra Newell is a powerhouse victim and animal advocate whose brave journey was the subject of Netflix’s Dirty John, among many other productions. We are deeply honored to chat with our friend about what came next for her after her tragic attack, as well as the work she’s done to educate other trauma survivors since.
Terra’s website:
http://terranewellsurvival.com
Terra’s Instagram
http://www.instagram.com/terranewell
Terra’s Twitter:
http://www.twitter.com/terra_newell
Terra’s Pups
https://www.instagram.com/terraspups/
Seven Stages of Trauma Bonding
https://www.choosingtherapy.com/stages-of-trauma-bonding/
The Survivor Squad
https://www.thesurvivorsquad.com
Red Song Bird Foundation
https://www.redsongbird.org/
Lenora Claire’s Ethical True Crime Consulting Company
https://www.lenoraclairellc.com
Dirty John the podcast
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/dirty-john/id1272970334
Dirty John on Netflix
https://www.netflix.com/us/title/80241855?s=i&trkid=258593161&vlang=en&clip=81306880
Dirty John: The Dirty Truth
https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B07MCVDB63/ref=atv_dp_share_cu_r

10: [Olivia Percaccio] Honor Your Grief Apr 21, 2023

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of domestic violence, gun violence, murder, mass murder, and mass shooting.
Olivia Percaccio is an educator, wife, daughter, sister, and friend to many; she is also the co-victim of a mass murder and shooting. We are so grateful she reached out and shared her experiences with us privately almost two years ago, after Amy’s season of Something Was Wrong aired. We formed a bond over some of the legal, media, and emotional parallels in our journeys. However, this is the first time Olivia has chosen to publicly share what came next for her family and community after experiencing such painful grief while being forced into the public eye.
Olivia’s Instagram
http://www.instagram.com/livydee12
March for Our Lives
http://www.marchforourlives.com
Everytown.org
https://www.everytown.org/
Disenfranchised Grief Resources
https://www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/disenfranchised-grief
L.A. Times, “The Face of Evil”
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-scott-dekraai-sentencing-20170922-story.html
USA Today on Mass Killings in the US
https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/graphics/2022/08/18/mass-killings-database-us-events-since-2006/9705311002/
Information on the Orange County Jail Informant Process
https://www.kpcc.org/show/take-two/2016-12-16/how-a-mass-murder-case-unraveled-the-orange-county-jail-informants-scandal
Something Was Wrong Resources
http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

9: [Sarah Edmondson - MAX's The Vow] I Got Out Apr 14, 2023

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of coercive control, cults, cultic abuse, branding, emotional, physical, and sexual abuse, rape, & sex slavery.
Sarah Edmondson is an actor, author, podcaster, victim advocate, & mother who has appeared in many publications and productions, including HBO’s The Vow. She found her passion for the performing arts at a young age, and has seen great success in front of the camera. Her roles in front of them have drastically shifted over the last decade though; she now uses the spotlight to share her experiences in NXIVM. Sarah was tested to her limits by her journey within the multi-level marketing sex cult, and we are so grateful she was willing to talk to us about how she’s turned what came next for her into education for the masses.
Sponsors:
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Sources:
Sarah’s Cultic Abuse & Coercive Control Resources:
https://www.sarahedmondson.com/resources
Sarah’s Instagram:
http://www.instagram.com/sarahedmondson
A Little But Culty on Instagram:
https://instagram.com/alittlebitculty
Sarah’s podcast, A Little Bit Culty:
https://alittlebitculty.com/
Sarah’s Book, Scarred: The True Story of How I Escaped NXIVM, the Cult That Bound My Life
https://amzn.to/3RwmmY2
NY Times on NXIVM 10/17/17
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/17/nyregion/nxivm-women-branded-albany.html
HBO’s The Vow
https://www.hbo.com/the-vow
Psychology Today, Understanding the Basics of Cults:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/freedom-mind/202106/understanding-cults-the-basics
Combatting Cult Mind Control by Steven Hassan
https://amzn.to/3BaCQz
Insider.com on the Legal Progression of the NXIVM trials:
https://www.insider.com/what-is-nxivm-keith-raniere-explainer-2019-4#june-30-2021-allison-mack-was-sentenced-to-3-years-in-prison-27
I Got Out Movement
http://igotout.org
Cult Info Since 1979 via International Cultic Studies Association
https://www.icsahome.com/articles/prevalence
For free and confidential resources, please visit: somethingwaswrong.com/resources

8: [Moshe Blechman] God Gave Me Credit Apr 07, 2023

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of the antisemitism, racism, the Holocaust, sudden death, grief, physical violence, abuse, bigotry, religious persecution, mass murder, genocide, abuse involving children and war.
Moshe Blechman is a former soldier, professor, and Rabbi hailing from Poland, whose life changed forever when his hometown was demolished amidst Hitler’s World War 2 efforts. As a result, he was left family-less, homeless, and even country-less by nine-years-old. However, he was given a new chance at life when he became one of the Holocaust’s infamous ‘Tehran Children.’ What came next in Moshe’s life is both heartwarming and heartbreaking, and it’s a great honor to help him share his story.
Synagogue: a Jewish place of worship
Shul: the hebrew word for temple, or a Jewish house of worship.
Mitzvot: a good deed or occurrence likely born from religious duty.
Eema: the hebrew word for mother
Yeshiva: an Orthodox Jewish elementary or secondary school
Yelladim Tehran: ‘Tehran children’
Ein: the hebrew word for none or nothing
Sponsors:
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Sources:
BBC Stats on Polish Deaths in the Holocaust
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49523932
Henrietta Szolds & The Tehran Children via Hadassah
https://www.hadassahmagazine.org/2020/01/07/henrietta-szolds-children/
The Holocaust Encyclopedia on The Tehran Children
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/tehran-children
A Shocking Lack of Holocaust Awareness
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/survey-finds-shocking-lack-holocaust-knowledge-among-millennials-gen-z-n1240031

7: [Dr. Charlotte Laws - Netflix's The Most Hated Man on the Internet] I Had My Armor On Mar 31, 2023

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of racism, revenge porn, cybercrimes, stalking, gang stalking, emotional, mental, and physical abuse, and murder.
Author, speaker, and activist Charlotte Laws recently appeared on Netflix’s Most Hated Man on the Internet. Her fierce tenacity played a large role in the takedown of a major nonconsensual pornography website, and she continues to add a great deal to the conversation around the revenge porn legal landscape. However, her life before the infamous legal and media battles, as well as what came next for Charlotte and her daughter after it, is extremely riveting.
The Most Hated Man on the Internet:
https://www.netflix.com/title/81387065
Charlotte’s website:
https://charlottelaws.com/
Charlotte’s memoir, Rebel in High Heels
http://rebelinhighheels.com/
Charlotte’s true crime memoir, Devil in the Basement
http://devilinthebasement.com/
Charlotte’s memoir, Undercover Debutante
http://undercoverdebutante.com/
Information about The Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1968
https://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf
NAAG Update on Legal Landscape of Revenge Porn
https://www.naag.org/attorney-general-journal/an-update-on-the-legal-landscape-of-revenge-porn/
Newsweek: An Update on Hunter Moore
https://www.newsweek.com/hunter-moore-still-prison-today-now-anyone-most-hated-man-internet-1729636

6: [Danette Ousley] Walk By Faith Mar 24, 2023

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of sexual assault, rape, abduction, gun violence, grand theft auto, and domestic violence.
Danette Ousley is a mother, grandmother, and survivor from Milwaukee, Wisconsin. She first shared her experiences of abduction and sexual assault at an event that was filmed for a VICE documentary that will be released in April. Danette’s ability to remain hopeful throughout all that came next for her over the last 30 years is truly a testament to her strength.
Danette’s Email Address:
sitandspeakthetea@gmail.com
Danette’s Inspirational YouTube Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/@sipandspeaktheteawithdd1509
Episode Sources:
Statistics on Abduction:
https://www.ctdatacollaborative.org/story/abducted-victims
RAINN’s Statistics on Rape in America:
https://www.rainn.org/statistics/scope-problem
For free and confidential resources, please visit: somethingwaswrong.com/resources

5: [Jacoba Ballard - Netflix's Our Father] Who’s Gonna Fight for Them? Mar 17, 2023

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of fertility fraud, rape, sexual, legal, religious, suicidal ideation, mental, emotional, and psychological abuse.
Netflix’s Our Father: https://www.netflix.com/us/title/81227735?s=i&trkid=13747225&vlang=en&clip=81592941
Jacoba’s Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/jacobajballard
Angela Ganote’s Instagram:
https://instagram.com/aganote?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Eve Wiley’s Instagram:
https://instagram.com/eveawiley?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Obstetrics & Gynecology, the official publication of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists on Fertility Fraud, Legal Firsts, & Medical Ethics:
https://journals.lww.com/greenjournal/Citation/2019/11000/Fertility_Fraud,_Legal_Firsts,_and_Medical_Ethics.4.aspx
American Council on Science & Health - Fertility Fraud Overview: https://www.acsh.org/news/2022/04/11/fertility-fraud-fertility-industry-danger-16239
HuffPost Quiverfull article: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/quiverfull-movement-facts_n_7444604
Angela Golden’s Family Speaks Out:
https://fox59.com/indiana-news/family-of-4-year-old-killed-by-donald-cline-tells-real-story-of-girl-portrayed-in-netflix-documentary-our-father/

4: [Ron Schnackenberg - Netflix's Dirty Money] View From the Top Mar 10, 2023

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of coercive control, professional abuse, and financial fraud.
Ron Schnackenberg is a father, husband, pilot, and business leader who appeared in Netflix’s Dirty Money. Ron’s rocky experience as a salesperson at Trump University only lasted eight months, but his resulting advocacy for fraud & professional abuse victims has continued over the last decade and a half.
For free and confidential resources, please visit:somethingwaswrong.com/resources
Sources:
Netflix’s Dirty Money
https://www.netflix.com/title/80118100
Ron’s LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/in/schnack23
ABC News on the Trump University settlement
https://abcnews.go.com/US/judge-finalizes-25-million-settlement-victims-donald-trumps/story?id=54347237
USA Today on Trump University
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/04/10/trump-university-settlement-judge-finalized/502387002/

3: [PJ Masten - A&E's The Secrets of Playboy] A Constant Battle Mar 03, 2023

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of sexual assault, rape, suicidal ideation, self-harm, and professional, mental, emotional, & physical abuse.
P.J. Masten is a businesswoman, survivor, victim advocate, and former Playboy “Bunny Mother” who appeared in A&E’s Secrets of Playboy. This week on What Came Next, P.J. describes the harsh realities of surviving rape and abuse at the hands of an infamous actor, as well as the strength and fortitude it has taken her to thrive.
Sources:
PJ’s email: pjmasten@yahoo.com
A&E’s Secrets of Playboy
https://www.aetv.com/shows/secrets-of-playboy
Information on State-By -State Felony Sexual Assault Statute of Limitations
https://www.rainn.org/state-state-guide-statutes-limitations
Bessel Van Der Kolk’s The Body Keeps the Score
https://www.besselvanderkolk.com/resources/the-body-keeps-the-score
Mayo Clinic on Self-Harm and Cutting
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/self-injury/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20350956
International Study on Self-Harm
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30274648/
National Health Service on PTSD & CPTSD
https://www.nhs.uk/mental-health/conditions/post-traumatic-stress-disorder-ptsd/overview/
South African Study on Traumatic Dissociation
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25906104/
NY Times: Bill Cosby is Freed
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/30/arts/television/bill-cosby-release-conviction.html

2: [Koa Johnson - Hulu's The Housewife & The Shah Shocker] Everything’s Up in a Blaze Mar 03, 2023

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of professional, mental, and emotional abuse and physical violence.
Couture fashion designerKoa Johnson shared his traumatic experiences on Hulu’s The Housewife and The Shah Shocker, after being employed by one of Bravo’s most-watched reality stars. How he prevailed amidst the abuse he faced, as well as what came next after freeing himself from his toxic environment, is an inspiration to all.
Sources:
Koa’s Instagram: http://www.instagram.com/designerkojo
Hulu’s The Housewife & The Shah Shocker:
https://www.hulu.com/series/the-housewife-the-shah-shocker-a64df37c-8417-435e-a6c9-57a33b657e2a
NBC on Jen Shah’s conviction:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/real-housewives-salt-lake-city-star-jen-shah-pleads-guilty-wire-fraud-rcna37631
Vox on Shah’s sentencing:
https://www.vox.com/culture/2023/1/6/23542202/jen-shah-real-housewife-sentencing-78-months
NPR on Shah’s sentencing:
https://www.npr.org/2023/01/06/1147452652/jen-shah-real-housewives-star-sentenced-fraud
Cleverism on Professional Abuse:
https://www.cleverism.com/signs-of-emotional-abuse-at-work/
CDC Statistics on Workplace Violence
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/violence/fastfacts.html
National Safety Council on Workplace Abuse:
https://www.nsc.org/work-safety/safety-topics/workplace-violence
State & Territory Business Resources
https://www.usa.gov/state-business
State Labor Office Commissioners, Directors, & Secretaries
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/contacts

1: [Amy B. Chesler - Evil Lives Here] This Sh*t Doesn’t End Mar 03, 2023

*Content warning: This episode includes discussion of murder, as well as sexual, physical, emotional, mental, and sibling abuse.
Amy B. Chesler is an award-winning writer, podcaster, victim advocate, and survivor of domestic violence featured in Season 7 of Something Was Wrong podcast. Her victim advocacy efforts have also appeared on Evil Lives Here, Chicken Soup for the Soul, Scary Mommy, and many more major media outlets.
Amy and Tiffany Reese, creator of Something Was Wrong and co-creator of What Came Next, are here to explore what compelled them to develop this new show as a means for healing, advocacy, and justice.
Petition to Keep Jesse Winnick in Prison (please sign + share!)
https://www.change.org/p/sign-to-keep-jesse-winnick-in-prison-in-loving-memory-of-hadas-winnick
Sources:
Something Was Wrong, Season 7
https://somethingwaswrong.com/season-7/
Working for Justice
https://amzn.to/3WwuUBo
True Crime Isn’t a Fad, It’s My Life via Scary Mommy
https://www.scarymommy.com/true-crime-my-life
Amy’s Victim Impact Statement
https://amybchesler.com/paroleupdate/
Evil Lives Here, “What if He Gets Out?”
https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/video/evil-lives-here-investigation-discovery/what-if-he-gets-out

What Came Next Feb 23, 2023

What happens after the experiences of true crime survivors have been shared with the world? Does the media truly capture all it entails to survive such tragedy in the public eye? What comes after the convictions are in, the cameras stop rolling, and the court of public opinion has spoken? Can sharing our stories lead to justice, and is there ever really justice?
These questions and many more are discussed on the new true crime docuseries podcast brought to you by Broken Cycle Media, What Came Next is co-created and produced by Something Was Wrong’s Tiffany Reese and host, award-winning writer, victim advocate and true crime survivor Amy B.Chesler.
On What Came Next, you’ll hear firsthand accounts from those impacted, with behind the scenes insights about what came next for survivors after their stories were shared with the world, and how the media impacts crime victims and their loved ones.
On What Came Next you’ll hear from survivors Koa Johnson (Real Housewives of Salt Lake City), PJ Masten (Secrets of Playboy), Jacoba Ballard (Our Father), Ron Schnackenberg (Dirty Money), Charlotte Laws (Most Hated Man), Sarah Edmondson (NXIVM), Terra Newell (Dirty John), Collier Landry (A Murder in Mansfield), Elissa Wall (Keep Sweet, Pray, & Obey) and many more incredible survivors.
Subscribe now wherever you listen to podcasts to hear the first three episodes of What Came Next on 3/3/23.