Episode 05 Show Notes
0:00 - Intro
- Thanks for listening! We’ve enjoyed your feedback and would welcome more!
1:18 - Introducing a New Format
- Our typical format is to:
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- Define a musical term
- Make listening recommendations based on that term
- Answer a question from a listener
- Every 5th episode, we’ll take a slightly deeper dive into just one piece of music
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- This could be an album, a musical, the score of a film, etc.
- Today’s piece is a symphony
- Our goal is to give you a few things to listen for in each movement of this symphony focusing on principles from our first four episodes:
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- Melody
- Harmony
- Rhythm & Meter
- Timbre
2:37 - Introducing Dvorak’s 9th Symphony: From the New World
- Written by Antonin Dvorak (1841-1904), a Bohemian (Czech) orchestral composer
- Premiered by the New York Philharmonic in 1893
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- Dvorak traveled to America to be the director of the National Conservatory of Music in New York
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- Wrote some of his most famous works while in the states (American String Quartet, his cello concerto, and this symphony)
- Dvorak opened the conservatory to African American students
- Dvorak believed that composers interested in capturing the American sound should study the music of Native Americans and African Americans
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- Not very many people agreed with him at the time
- Dvorak wrote original themes inspired by Native American and African American traditions, not exact replications of themes from these cultures
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- With the exception of Swing Low, Sweet Chariot
- Garrett compares Dvorak’s goal to the Foo Fighters’ concept behind their album/documentary “Sonic Highways”
7:31 - What is a symphony?
- A multi-movement work for the symphony orchestra
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- Movements are sort of like small pieces of music that make up a bigger piece of music
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- Garrett asks if movements are like chewing bites of a cake instead of shoving an entire cake into your mouth
- Amanda responds that it’s more like four cupcakes decorated slightly differently but all part of the same batch or set
- Garrett compares movements to chapters in a book
- Amanda compares them to books in a series of books because movements are usually pretty complete unto themselves
- Symphonies typically have 3 movements (early classical) or 4 movements (standard in the Romantic period), and they have a typical order:
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- A note about when to applaud:
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- If the work has multiple movements, try to follow along with the order of them and wait until the end of the last movement to clap
- If nothing else, wait until the conductor puts his arms all the way down and keeps them down… that’s usually the big ending!
- People used to clap whenever they wanted, but now we’re snobs about it
12:08 - Movement I. “Adagio - Allegro molto"
- Melody: Three important themes:
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- A bold, fanfare-like theme (with a statement and a response) that is often played in the brass
- A minor melody with a simple accompaniment that is first played in the flute
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- We’re not sure why, but Dvorak pointed to this theme as being influenced by indigenous music traditions.
- He may have thought the minor mode made it sound indigenous
- A theme that seems to be a pretty direct quotation and development of “Swing Low, Sweet Chariot” (an important African American spiritual)
- Rhythm: the 1st and 3rd theme have very similar rhythms… almost identical!
- Sidenote: Dvorak will introduce great themes during each movement of the piece, but he’ll also bring back previous movements’ themes (especially the opening theme and the Swing Low theme)
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- Perhaps a drinking game could be played??? (Please drink responsibly.)
- One word description of Movement I:
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- Amanda: Exploration
- Garrett: Outset
17:49 - Movement II. “Largo”
- The most famous movement from this piece
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- Melody: Several years after it was written and premiered, a student of Dvorak, William Arms Fisher, added lyrics to the theme from this movement (“Goin’ Home”)
- Timbre: The Goin’ Home theme was originally written for clarinet!
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- Dvorak changed it to English Horn because he thought it better matched the vocal timbre of Harry T. Burleigh, the student who exposed Dvorak to many African spirituals
- Amanda also points out that the timpani notes in this movement are another great timbre
- Harmony: A passage of big, open chords played by the brass section multiple times throughout this movement
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- Michael Beckerman called this the “Once Upon a Time” figure
- One word description:
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- Garrett: Nostalgia
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- Dvorak was very homesick while in America
- Amanda: Yearning
24:32 - Movement III. "Scherzo. Molto Vivace"
- Rhythm & Meter: The meter is very obvious in this movement, and this is the only movement in triple meter (3 beats per measure)
- Melody: 3 more great melodies introduced in this movement
- Sidenote: The opening of this scherzo matches the opening of Beethoven’s 9th symphony’s scherzo! They sound musically very similar.
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- Dvorak did likely did this on purpose as a nod to Beethoven
- Even Sider Note: Amanda got the movement number wrong in the episode (womp, womp). Beethoven mixes things up, so his scherzo is Movement II, not Movement III. Idea still applies though!
- One word description:
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- Garrett: Chase
- Amanda: Tension
28:26 - Movement IV. "Allegro con fuoco”
- Melody: One last big, bold theme
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- Dominates the movement and later signals the end of the piece
- Melody: Garrett feels that this movement is a battle of all the themes! See his list of theme battles below!
- Harmony/Timbre: The last chord of the piece
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- Unique because the entire orchestra hits a chord together, but suddenly everyone cuts out and only the very soft woodwind section sustains
- Sidenote: The opening of this movement is… Jaws!
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- John Williams borrowed this figure for his shark movie soundtrack
- On a case by case basis, as long as you properly attribute the material you’ve borrowed, most people in classical music don’t care about this type of borrowing...
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- Just don’t try to pass anything off as your own work if it’s isn’t actually your own work!
- If Dvorak were alive at the time of Jaws, maybe he’d have wanted a writer’s credit?
- “You’re only as good as who you steal from.” - A tongue in cheek quote from a professor Garrett and Amanda both know
- One word descriptions:
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- Garrett: Argument
- Amanda: Territorial
- Bonus: Garrett makes a claim for “Three Blind Mice” as another quotation
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- Amanda believes this is purely coincidence
35:40 - How to Enjoy a Symphony
- (35:53) If you sit down at a concert and see a symphony on the program that comes from 1815 on, get ready for a long ride
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- During the romantic period, symphonies were expanded and got longer and longer
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- Dvorak's 9th symphony is around 42 minutes long!
- Amanda says that if people will go to a movie theater to watch three hours of Avengers, then they definitely have the capacity to enjoy 40 minutes of great music
- Garrett says it’s one crime show episode
- Amanda says it’s three Spongebobs
- (37:42) Expect thematic development!
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- When you hear a melody, try to hold onto it because it will likely come back again
- Expect the composer to transform and expand on the themes you hear
- (38:29) Don’t expect to stay completely engaged and focused for 40 minutes straight
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- Amanda points out that not even the members of the orchestra are fully, completely focused for the entire length of the piece
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- Tuba player is a great example because that person only plays the 2nd movement (and plays less than 20 notes)
- Dvorak wrote highs and lows, so it’s okay to let your attention ebb and flow a little bit
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- Garrett compares some parts to background info/setting in a novel
- Amanda compares it to description in a novel
- It’s all important, but it doesn’t all require the same level of engagement
- If someone falls asleep, only wake them up if they start snoring
- Even trained pros want to be whisked away by the music
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- This is musical storytelling! Let it take you where it wants to go
- (41:20) Expect repetition
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- Composers have to walk a fine line between variety and repetition
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- Repetition can ground you, but too much can bore you
- Variety is the spice of life, but too much spice ruins dinner
- There are two types of repetition: exact and non exact
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- Exact repetition:
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- “This piece of music worked once… it’ll work again!”
- Tension and release (repetition can add to either)
- The composer is saying, “I want you to remember this.”
- Non-exact repetition:
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- A timbral change: maybe the same melodies and harmonies but played by different instruments or different groups of instrument
- Accompaniment changes: Rhythms used might change, additional parts might come in
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- If you hear the same melody, something might have changed elsewhere in the orchestra
- Ask yourself if it's different and try to figure out what changed
- (44:10) Nothing beats seeing a symphony live
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- Amanda: the best sound system in the world can’t compete with the weakest concert hall
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- Amanda: I can’t appreciate the difference between 20 vs 50 vs 100 in an orchestra on youtube
- If the music isn’t thrilling you too much at home, it may be that you need to go see it live
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- Think of it as not just the music but the entire experience
- Experience it in the right context
- A comparison to movies
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- You wouldn’t judge a movie based off the one time you saw it using a portable DVD player and broken earbuds during a car ride
- If you’ve heard someone say, “Oh, that’s a movie you have to see in theaters,” that’s how Amanda feels about symphonies
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- Garrett points out that Twister goes from epic to cheesy real fast when you watch it at home instead of in theaters
- There’s music that’s meant to be in the studio and is hard to replicate live, but the symphony is the opposite.
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- Witness the team effort!
- If it’s an educational group, remember that they’re still acquiring the skills they need in order to become the pros
- If you’re under 80, people will be so excited to see you at a symphony concert!
- (47:33) You can enjoy this!
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- The music still has value
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- It’s up to the musicians and people involved to show you the value
- Once you see it, there’s nothing stopping you from enjoying this music
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- Don’t worry that other people are understanding the music more than you are
- You know a lot about the music you love, and you can appreciate cool experiences! Seek them out!
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- Garrett advises you to ask us about concert etiquette and to seek out casual concerts
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- More and more pro orchestras are putting on less formal concerts
49:04 - Sign Off
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Additional Resources:
James, Jonathan. “Dvorak Symphony No 9 - From The New World: Inside the Music”. YouTube video, 3:35. Posted October 2016. https://youtu.be/rjeskgwj78s.
Roitstein, Andrew, and Nichole Veach. “Antonin Dvorak's New World Symphony: In Search of an American Voice.” Antonin Dvorak's New World Symphony: In Search of an American Voice. New York, NY: New York Philharmonic, 2017. https://nyphil.org/~/media/pdfs/education/1617/curriculum-guide-mshs-final.pdf?la=en
Supka, Ondrej. “Symphony No. 9 ‘from the New World.’” Antonin Dvorak. Accessed November 1, 2019. http://www.antonin-dvorak.cz/en/symphony9.
Weilerstein, Joshua. “Sticky Notes: The Classical Music Podcast.” Season 4 Premiere - Dvorak Symphony No. 9 "From the New World", Joshua Weilerstein, 30 Aug. 2018, http://stickynotespodcast.libsyn.com/podcast/season-4-premiere-dvorak-symphony-no-9-from-the-new-world