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192: Cozy Mysteries in Wine Country + Wisconsin Wines with Author Joy Ribar Aug 03, 2022

Show notes

Would you like to hear about some fabulous mystery books that are set in wine country? What is it about books that encourage deep connections with readers? Are you curious about Wisconsin wines? Why are the state's wine region a beautiful place to visit?

In this episode of the Unreserved Wine Talk podcast, I'm chatting with Joy Ann Ribar, author of the Deep Lakes Cozy Mystery series.

You can find the wines we discussed at https://www.nataliemaclean.com/winepicks

Giveaway

Three listeners are going to win a personally signed copy of Joy Ann Ribar's fabulous mystery books set in wine country.

How to Win

To qualify, all you have to do is email me at natalie@nataliemaclean.com and tell me that you'd like to win a copy.. I'll select the winner randomly from those who participate.

Good luck!

Highlights

Why did Joy decide to start writing mystery novels after retiring from teaching?

What have been the best and worst moments of Joy's writing career so far?

What is it about books that encourage deep connections with readers?

How did community theatre lead to Joy's love for the wine world?

What is a cozy mystery?

Why are small towns the perfect setting for a cozy mystery?

How did Agatha Christie pave the way for the next generation of women writers?

How does Joy navigate the dark world of mystery writing research?

What wine-themed murders might Joy include in her upcoming books?

What is Joy's Deep Lakes cozy mystery series about?

How does the lead character, Frankie Champagne's, winery evolve over the series?

What's the climate like in Wisconsin?

What are the key hallmarks of Wisconsin winemaking?

Which innovative ways have winemakers found for dealing with troublesome starlings?

Key Takeaways

I loved learning about what differentiates a cozy mystery from other types of mysteries. Who knew there were so many sub-genres? I love that Joy's novels are set in wine country.

I didn't know much about Wisconsin wines until I spoke to Joy. Now I'm curious to try them, and more so to visit such a beautiful state.

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About Joy Ann Ribar

Joy Ann Ribar pens the Deep Lakes Cozy Mystery series at home in central Wisconsin. Joy's life history is a cocktail of careers, including news reporter, paralegal, English educator, and college writing instructor. Her hobbies include baking, exploring the outdoors, and wine research. Joy infuses this mixture into her main character, Frankie Champagne, adding a special blend of sass and humour. Her writing is inspired by Wisconsin's four distinct seasons, natural beauty, and kind-hearted, but sometimes quirky, people.

Joy holds a BA in Journalism from UW-Madison and an MS in Education from UW-Oshkosh. She is a member of Sisters in Crime, Blackbird Writers, and Wisconsin Writers Association. Joy and her husband, John, someday plan to sell their house, buy an RV, and travel around the U.S. spreading good cheer and hygge!

Joy is currently working on the next mystery in the Deep Lakes Cozy series: Deep Dire Harvest, coming in 2022.

To learn more about the resources mentioned in this episode, visit https://www.nataliemaclean.com/192.

191: Why Open That Special Bottle Tonight + Smell's Role in a Full Life with Jim Duane Jul 27, 2022

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Why should you open that bottle of wine you've been saving? What makes Icewine such a difficult and expensive wine to produce? Why is the sense of smell such an important part of living a full life?

In this episode of the Unreserved Wine Talk podcast, I'm being interviewed by Jim Duane, winemaker and host of the Inside Winemaking Podcast.

You can find the wines we discussed at https://www.nataliemaclean.com/winepicks

Highlights

Where are the major wine regions in Canada?

What makes Icewine such a tricky wine to produce?

Why is there so little Canadian wine in the US?

What's the response to US wine in Canada?

How can you learn more about food and wine pairing with my free material?

Which dishes pair well with California Grenache?

What are the most common questions I get from wine newcomers?

Why should you open that bottle of wine you've been saving?

What are the most memorable aromas from my childhood?

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About Jim Duane

Jim Duane studied biology at Gonzaga University in Spokane, Washington then worked at Brancott Vineyards in New Zealand. Hauling rocks in the vineyard, he says, helped him get ready for graduate school at the renowned University of California at Davis oenology program. In 2004, he moved to Napa where he's been ever since.

Jim is now the winemaker at Seavey Vineyard in California's Napa Valley. Prior to that, he worked at Stag's Leap Wine Cellars and Robert Mondavi Winery.

In 2014, he launched a podcast called Inside Winemaking, which is ranked one of the most popular wine podcasts. In 2021, he launched Terratorium Wines as a direct result of his podcast and winemaking classes. Jim and his wife Erin have two daughters that keep them busy. Recently, he notes, they logged four pulled-teeth in a 36-hour period.

To learn more about the resources mentioned in this episode, visit https://www.nataliemaclean.com/191.

190: Wine Stories, Food Pairings, and Canadian Wines with Inside Winemaking's Jim Duane Jul 20, 2022

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What is it really like to be a wine industry insider? How can stories help you to learn? What makes Riesling one of the most food-friendly wines?

In this episode of the Unreserved Wine Talk podcast, I'm being interviewed by Jim Duane, winemaker and host of the Inside Winemaking Podcast.

You can find the wines we discussed at https://www.nataliemaclean.com/winepicks

Highlights

What was my path from high-tech marketer to wine writer?

How can you find out what it's really like to be on the inside of the wine industry?

What can you expect from my upcoming third book?

How can novices and experts benefit from my online food and wine pairing classes?

Which types of food can you best pair with an off-dry Riesling?

How can you use the food and wine matching tool on my website to plan your next wine-paired dinner?

What do you need to know about Canadian wine?

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About Jim Duane

Jim is now the winemaker at Seavey Vineyard in California's Napa Valley. Prior to that, he worked at Stag's Leap Wine Cellars and Robert Mondavi Winery.

To learn more about the resources mentioned in this episode, visit https://www.nataliemaclean.com/190.

189: Cracking the DaVino Code with Wine Economist, Mike Veseth Jul 13, 2022

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Did you know there's a triple crisis in the battle for the soul of wine right now? Why do you need to master the DaVino Code? What makes some of the claims on "better for you" wines misleading?

In this episode of the Unreserved Wine Talk podcast, I'm chatting with author and editor of The Wine Economist newsletter, Mike Veseth.

You can find the wines we discussed at https://www.nataliemaclean.com/winepicks

Highlights

What happened during "wine's lost decade"?

Which main factors have contributed to the declining global wine market?

What might surprise you about the brand behind White Claw Hard Seltzer?

Which environmental and social factors have led to a triple crisis in the wine industry?

How did Mike imagine the wine wars playing out in Wine Wars II?

What's the story behind Bellissima by Christie Brinkley?

What makes some of the claims on "better for you" wines misleading?

Which lessons can wine producers learn from the deconstruction of the soul of milk?

What's the tasting experience like for Bellissima wines?

Why should you consider trying Creekside Cabernet Merlot?

What is the DaVino code?

How does the DaVino code keep out potential new wine buyers?

What do you need to know about the battle between Martians and Wagnerians?

Which wine would Mike love to be able to share with Mark Twain?

Why is Mike a big advocate for drinking locally?

Which wine would Mike want to be served at his funeral and why?

Key Takeaways

Mike illuminates the triple crisis in the battle for the soul of wine right now with great examples.

I love his concept of the DaVino Code for better understanding wine.

He makes a great point about why some of the claims on "better for you" wines are so misleading.

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About Mike Veseth

Mike Veseth is editor of The Wine Economist newsletter (WineEconomist.com) and author of more than a dozen books including Wine Wars (2011), Around the World in Eighty Wines (2018) and Wine Wars II: The Global Battle for the Soul of Wine (2022). He is a sought-after speaker at wine industry meetings both in the United States and around the world.

Veseth's writings on wine and globalization have been widely praised. Globaloney was selected as a Best Business Book of 2005. Wine Wars was chosen a Best Wine Book of 2011. The Wine Economist was named Best Wine Blog by Gourmand International in 2015. Money, Taste, and Wine: It's Complicated received the 2016 Gourmand International award for Best Wine Writing. Around the World in Eighty Wines was named one of the 100 best wine books of all time by BookAuthority.org.

To learn more about the resources mentioned in this episode, visit https://www.nataliemaclean.com/189.

188: The 3 Biggest Forces Changing Your Wine Now with Mike Veseth, author of Wine Wars II: The Global Battle for the Soul of Wine Jul 06, 2022

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Which three forces have shaped the evolution of the modern wine market more than any others? What is a wine economist? How have the wine industry and wine buyers evolved in the past 10 years? How does that impact the wines you drink?

In this episode of the Unreserved Wine Talk podcast, I'm chatting with author and editor of The Wine Economist newsletter, Mike Veseth.

You can find the wines we discussed at https://www.nataliemaclean.com/winepicks

Highlights

What is a wine economist?

How did a budget vacation start Mike on the path of becoming a wine economist?

How do the three main forces outlined in Wine Wars shape global wine?

How does the natural wine movement act as a push-back force in the industry?

What is a terroirist?

What fascinating new stories will you read about in Wine Wars II?

Which wine buyer insights were uncovered through Project Genome and how did it impact the industry?

Why is it a bad idea to paint all celebrity wine with a broad brush?

Which wine brands have leaned heavily into their image and seen huge success?

What did Mike learn about silk road terroirists in writing Wine Wars II?

Why are there so many terroirists in the Republic of Georgia?

Who is Chinese wine for?

How has Chinese wine evolved and what impact did the pandemic have on domestic consumption?

Key Takeaways

I found it interesting how globalization at one end of the spectrum and terrorists at the other end are having a profound impact on the style and type of wine we drink now.

Mike gives us great insights into what a wine economist does.

The wine industry and buyers changed so much in the past 10 years.

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About Mike Veseth

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187: Oregon's Undiscovered White Wines & How Soil Changes Wine Taste with Eugenia Keegan Jun 29, 2022

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How has Oregon white wine evolved since it was first produced? Which elements make up the "classic Oregon" style of wine? How do different types of soil express themselves in wine?

In this episode of the Unreserved Wine Talk podcast, I'm chatting with entrepreneur and winemaker, Eugenia Keegan.

You can find the wines we discussed at https://www.nataliemaclean.com/winepicks

Highlights

How has Kendall-Jackson Vintner's Reserve driven the growth of Jackson Family Wines?

What's the story behind Oregon's white wine evolution?

What makes WillaKenzie Estate like a little piece of Burgundy?

Which elements make up the "classic Oregon" style?

How do the two main types of soil at WillaKenzie Estate express themselves in the wine?

What's the tasting experience like for WillaKenzie Estate 2019 Pinot Noir?

How does it compare to the Penner-Ash 2019 Pinot Noir?

What does it mean for a wine to be full-bodied based on structure?

Why do winemakers have to be careful not to over-manipulate?

What's the ideal setting for drinking wine?

How can you find the right balance of wine when it comes to your health?

What's Eugenia's relaxed perspective on wine and food pairing?

Which wine books are Eugenia's favourites?

Which historical figures would Eugenia have loved to share a bottle of wine with?

Key Takeaways

We hear so much about Oregon pinot noir, so I was fascinated with how Oregon white wine has evolved since it was first produced.

Eugenia offers a great explanation of which elements make up the "classic Oregon" style of wine.

I also enjoyed learning how different types of soil express themselves in wine.

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About Eugenia Keegan

A fifth-generation Sonoma County native, Eugenia Keegan is recognized for her excellence in the wine industry as both a winemaker and a business executive. Today, she serves as General Manager and Vice President of Oregon Winery Operations and Business Development for Jackson Family Wines (JFW), leading a portfolio of prestigious Pinot Noir houses such as Penner-Ash, WillaKenzie, and Gran Moraine.

To learn more about the resources mentioned in this episode, visit https://www.nataliemaclean.com/187.

186: Oregon Wines, History and Future with Eugenia Keegan of Jackson Family Wines Jun 22, 2022

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Are you curious about what makes Oregon unique from other wine regions? How could climate change impact winemaking? What can we learn from the youngest generation in the wine industry?

In this episode of the Unreserved Wine Talk podcast, I'm chatting with Eugenia Keegan, a winemaker and pioneering legend in the wine industry.

You can find the wines we discussed at https://www.nataliemaclean.com/winepicks

Highlights

What was Eugenia's most memorable moment growing up on a farm?

Why does Eugenia prefer to start her mornings in the vineyard?

Which wine would Eugenia pair with some of her favourite childhood foods?

Why did Eugenia leave her career in the film industry?

Where did Eugenia's interest in wine come from?

Why does Eugenia say we've been farming wrong for the last 100 years?

What has been the best moment of Eugenia's wine career so far?

What worries Eugenia most as a winemaker?

Which aspect of her career does Eugenia love most?

What can we learn from the youngest generation in the wine industry?

Key Takeaways

She really illustrates how Oregon is unique from other wine regions in its climate, geography, history and wine focus.

Eugenia gets at the heart of how climate change may impact winemaking and wine styles.

I love her take on what we can learn from younger generations in the wine industry.

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About Eugenia Keegan

A fifth-generation Sonoma County native, Eugenia is recognized for her excellence in the wine industry as both a winemaker and a business executive. Today, she serves as General Manager and Vice President of Oregon Winery Operations and Business Development for Jackson Family Wines (JFW), leading a portfolio of prestigious Pinot Noir houses such as Penner-Ash, WillaKenzie, and Gran Moraine.

Her path to Oregon may not have been conventional, but it's certainly been remarkable. Along the way, Eugenia built a reputation for her keen business sense, advocacy, and dedication to mentorship and community.

Eugenia Keegan joined Jackson Family Wines (JFW) in 2013 to head up the company's fast-growing Oregon portfolio. As General Manager, Keegan oversees JFW's holdings in the Willamette Valley: Gran Moraine, Zena Crown, Penner-Ash Wine Cellars and Willakenzie Estate wineries. She also supervises Willamette Valley winemaking for Sonoma-based Siduri and La Crema. Actively civic-minded, Keegan is the chair emerita of the board of directors of the Oregon Wine Board, and serves on the boards of the Oregon Winegrowers Association and the Willamette Valley Wineries Association, the Chemeketa Wine Advisory Committee, and the Linfield Wine Education Advisory Council.

To learn more about the resources mentioned in this episode, visit https://www.nataliemaclean.com/186.

The Shape and Sound of Taste with Nell McShane Wulfhart Jun 16, 2022

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How does telling your dinner party guests a few details about the wine you're serving dramatically change their perception of its taste? How does the shape of a restaurant table impact how much you eat, and which types of songs can make your Pinot Noir or other wines tastes more acidic?

In this episode of the Unreserved Wine Talk podcast, I'm chatting with journalist Nell McShane Wulfhart.

You can find the wines we discussed at https://www.nataliemaclean.com/winepicks

Highlights

What's the difference between taste and flavour?

How do supertasters experience taste and flavour differently from others?

What impact does our knowledge of a specific wine have on the tasting experience?

What simple strategy can we use to improve our dinner party guests' experience? How do extrasensory cues impact flavour and enjoyment?

Why does Nell recommend adding a squeeze of limes or lemons to food or water?

Why do ice cream companies add certain scents inside their packaging?

What effect does loud music or noise have on your sense of taste?

Should you serve your best wine first or last at a dinner party?

Why should you consider serving two wines at the same time?

How can you help guests to feel more comfortable at a gathering?

How can you use lighting throughout a party to influence guests' experiences?

What fun activity can you try with wine tasting and different types of music?

Why does music have a bigger impact on complex beverages like coffee and wine?

How can you use your music playlist to complement your menu?

Why do our palate and preferences change when we're on a plane?

Can we hear the difference between various types of beverages just from the sound of the pour?

Why are white wine glasses better than flutes for drinking bubbly?

How does the shape of the table in a restaurant affect our dining experience?

What should you consider when selecting a glass for a particular beverage?

How do the shape and texture of food affect how satisfied you feel?

What's the relationship between weight and perception of quality?

Which wine bottle characteristics make the most impact on wine buyers?

How do health claims on food and wine packaging influence our perception?

How is scent marketing being used outside of the food and beverage industry?

About Nell McShane Wulfhart

Nell McShane Wulfhart is a journalist from Philadelphia, currently based in Uruguay. She's a former New York Times columnist and frequent contributor. Nell also writes for Travel + Leisure, Bon Appétit, Condé Nast Traveler, The Wall Street Journal, and T Magazine, to name just a few of many.

To learn more, visit https://www.nataliemaclean.com/blog/podcast/the-shape-and-sound-of-taste-with-nell-mcshane-wulfhart/.

185: Inventive Food & Wine Pairing and Buying Tips with Guy Bower of The Good Life Show Jun 15, 2022

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What exactly makes the sense of smell so evocative? How can you play with food and wine pairing to discover new flavours? What can you do to de-risk your exploration of new wines?

In this episode of the Unreserved Wine Talk podcast, I'm being interviewed by Guy Bower, host of The Good Life podcast.

You can find the wines we discussed at https://www.nataliemaclean.com/winepicks

Highlights

When did I discover my appreciation for wine?

What makes the senses of smell and taste so evocative?

Why do I love feeling like an enthusiastic amateur when it comes to wine?

How has the wine world changed and why am I an unwavering advocate of making it feel more accessible?

If I could only have one wine, what would it be?

Which shabby-chic food and wine pairing should you try next?

Which weird wine pairing surprised me with how good it is?

How can you play with food and wine pairing?

What can you do to de-risk your exploration of new wines?

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About Guy Bower & The Good Life

The Good Life podcast is hosted by Guy Bower. Guy is a retired Air Force fighter pilot and recently retired Airbus A300 Captain for FedEx. Throughout his career in the military, which involved many years living and travelling in Europe, he has been a dedicated food and wine enthusiast and home chef. Associated with the radio program, Guy regularly attends major national wine events, seminars and tastings as an enthusiast, participant and judge. He has authored many articles on the enjoyment of Food, Wine and the "Good Life" – and is called on often to share his knowledge and enthusiasm with wine appreciation classes, wait-staff training, and educational tastings and seminars. Guy is a Level-1 Sommelier and teaches several wine appreciation classes at Wichita State University each semester.

The Good Life radio program began in Miami in 1988, on WKAT 1360AM. In 1990, a military move to Kansas brought The Good Life to the Midwest. The program has been on KNSS 1330/98.7 – Saturdays, since the fall of 1991. The Good Life allows Guy to share his enjoyment of food, wine and travel from the "everyman" perspective. The emphasis is on wine and food enjoyment without snobbery.

The program consists of live interviews with chefs, cookbook authors, winemakers and anyone involved with food, wine and the Good Life. In 1992, Guy was instrumental in starting the Wichita Chapter of the American Institute of Wine and Food. He was the Chairman of the Chapter for the first 3 years and has served three other non-consecutive terms as chair. He was actively involved in starting the Midwest Winefest and the Midwest Beerfest here in Wichita.

To learn more about the resources mentioned in this episode, visit https://www.nataliemaclean.com/185.

184: Prosecco's Success Story (and Snob Disdain) with Stevie Kim of Vinitaly Jun 08, 2022

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How did Prosecco lead the way for many people discovering Italian wines, and then why did it get so much hate? How can "Mamma Jumbo Shrimp" help you as a wine lover? Is food or wine the main protagonist of most meals?

In this episode of the Unreserved Wine Talk podcast, I'm chatting with the founder of Vinitaly and host of the Italian Wine Podcast, Stevie Kim.

You can find the wines we discussed at https://www.nataliemaclean.com/winepicks

Highlights

What's the best way for you to find Italian wines you might love?

Why does Prosecco get so much hate from wine snobs?

What are the different types of Prosecco available now?

Why are Etna DOC wines so popular right now?

Where did the "Jumbo Shrimp" name come from?

How does Stevie's brand "Mamma Jumbo Shrimp" help wine lovers?

What is Stevie's controversial perspective on food and wine pairing?

How would Stevie pair her favourite childhood food with wine?

What's Stevie's top tip for wine lovers?

Key Takeaways

The story of Prosecco's success in helping many people discover Italian wines, and then its plunge into ridicule by snobs has so many parallels in the wine world (think Chardonnay and Merlot) and beyond (think of certain movie stars and singers). Fortunately, there's incredible value in this sparkling wine and it will persist, or you could say my love for it will go on and on.

I love the concept of "Mamma Jumbo Shrimp" to help wine lovers understand Italian wines.

Despite Stevie making a strong case for food being the main protagonist of the meal, I remain a wine-first kinda gal just like I buy the earrings, then the outfit.

About Stevie Kim

Stevie Kim was born in Korea and raised in the United States. Today, she lives in Verona, Italy. She attended the New York University – Leonard N. Stern School of Business. After settling in Italy, she obtained an MBA at Bocconi University, School of Economics and Management. Later, she achieved a postgraduate specialization in Wealth Management at the University of Pennsylvania – The Wharton School. Stevie is currently studying for her WSET Diploma, from the Weinakademie Österreich in Rust, Austria.

As Managing Director of Vinitaly International, Stevie Kim has launched and now coordinates a series of new initiatives connected to the Vinitaly brand. As a Professional Wine Groupie, Stevie is always seeking innovative ways to communicate Italian wine – with a strong creative emphasis on social media and educational platforms. In 2017, Stevie produced the Italian Wine Podcast, the first podcast in English dedicated exclusively to Italian wine and its personalities. She also carries out various editorial projects, one of the latest being The Jumbo Shrimp Guide to Italian Wine and The Jumbo Shrimp Guide to International Grape Varieties in Italy. The books are reference guides, designed to simplify the complex world of Italian wine. Last year, Stevie started her On The Road Edition travels to wineries and regions across Italy, airing every week on the Mamma Jumbo Shrimp YouTube channel.

To learn more about the resources mentioned in this episode, visit https://www.nataliemaclean.com/184.

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