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In each episode we go beyond the veil in our own personal unrefined way.
Our podcast recipe includes: the supernatural, the strange and unexplained from a biblical perspective, PLUS deep dives into the Word AND a wee bit of the conspiratorial for good measure.
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What happens when you mix Ghostbusters nostalgia, biblical theology, and a love-hate relationship with horror films? You get a conversation like this one. Our guest brings his unique blend of storytelling and scriptural insight to the paranormal, exploring ghosts, demons, exorcism, and the Warrens with nuance and wit. We dig into Hollywood's influence on spiritual perception, challenge traditional views on the supernatural, and even question what really haunted the infamous Conjuring house. Get ready for ghosts, theology, and some toaster talk you didn’t know you needed.
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Timestamps:
01:48 Nelly’s podcast origin and themes
02:37 Warrens and the Conjuring house controversy
03:13 Seances, trance mediums, and biblical boundaries
04:08 Was it the house or the people?
05:33 Demons attach to people, not places
06:25 Deliverance and spiritual authority
07:35 Andrea Perron
09:00 Post-Conjuring experiences and the family
10:00 Warrens’ short involvement vs. movie portrayal
11:15 Bathsheba Sherman myth vs. facts
12:22 Sincere seekers or spooky grifters?
13:50 Mission, marketing, or both?
14:31 Hollywood’s influence on demonology
16:47 Bringing shamans to a spiritual fight
17:30 Movies that spark spiritual questions
18:55 How the Bible reshaped Nelly’s view of the paranormal
20:25 Using paranormal as a bridge to the gospel
21:16 What are ghosts for? Theology gets messy
23:35 Demonic manipulation or damned souls?
25:55 WWI ghost story and theological implications
28:09 Why Nelly is okay with the messy middle
30:00 Test the spirits by the Spirit
30:29 Discernment in supernatural encounters
32:50 Modernity, mystery, and supernatural logic
35:16 Why the weirdness of God is beautiful
37:08 Unity in the Body and theological humility
39:26 Most supernatural experience: Nelly’s salvation
41:44 Ruth’s Jesus and divine intervention
43:49 From conversion to calling
46:15 The Man-Eating Toaster and cults
48:04 Naming the podcast and outreach in disguise
What if the chaos in conspiracy communities was by design? In this thought-provoking conversation, we’re joined by a guest who's no stranger to the shadowy overlaps of fringe beliefs, government psyops, and the supernatural. We crack open the “Cass Sunstein Effect” and explore how psychological manipulation, social media echo chambers, and even the church contribute to a distorted search for truth. From demons to disinformation, from Crowley to cryptids, nothing’s off the table in this deep-dive into discernment, deception, and discernment again. It’s a masterclass in keeping your eyes open—spiritually and intellectually.
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Timeline:
00:09 Controlling the narrative
00:54 Guest intro: Joel Thomas of Free the Rabbits
03:19 Breaking down the deception in fringe spaces
05:39 Growing up with fringe interests
07:55 Creating a balanced, biblical lens
10:00 Real disinformation and the Cass Sunstein paper
12:10 The "everything is fake" trap
14:25 We weren’t made for heaven—our purpose on Earth
16:49 The problem with “waking people up”
19:05 What the Sunstein document got right
21:28 The rise of conspiracy culture since 2009
23:46 Critical thinking vs. jumping to conclusions
26:11 Disinformation and the “truth-er” crowd
28:31 The Sunstein paper and its ripple effects
30:51 Nudge theory and behavior manipulation
33:04 Noise-canceling deception
35:29 The real aim: dismantle trust
37:50 Disinformation leads to self-censorship
40:02 Discernment and spiritual grounding
42:21 The root issue: discontentment and money
44:40 End times hype and the business behind fear
46:58 Supernatural encounters and spiritual warfare
49:22 Film projects, portals, and the Meadow Project
51:41 Alistair Crowley, British intel, and cryptids
54:00 Final reflections and farewells
Let’s just say this isn’t your average history recap. In the final episode of our Operation Paperclip series, we connect the dots between Nazi scientists, modern surveillance, moral decay, and the spiritual consequences of trading ethics for technological progress. From Neuralink to data manipulation, we peel back the shiny lab coat to expose the sinister roots—and lasting legacy—of Paperclip. The crew gets raw about the church’s prophetic role, fifth-generation warfare, and whether we’re building the next Babel. Here it is a full-spectrum analysis of power, eschatology, and what it means to resist with truth.
Timestamps:
01:00 Moral compromises
03:00 The “greatest generation” contradiction
05:00 Monsters in lab coats
07:00 Neuralink and voice deception
08:00 Medical science vs bioweapons
10:00 CIA origins and OSS deep dive
12:00 What would Jesus do about Paperclip?
14:00 Counterculture and fake grassroots movements
15:00 Babel, tech leaps, and unnatural energy
17:00 Silicon Valley and scavenged knowledge
19:00 IQ illusion and seedline manipulation
20:00 Oz and Tower of Babel 2.0
22:00 Echoes of Noah’s days
23:00 Nazi punch cards and surveillance today
25:00 AI, facial recognition, and digital control
27:00 Data reduction = manipulation
28:00 Word-based warfare and eschatology
30:00 Crumbling towers and prophetic hope
32:00 Outliers and underground church revival
34:00 The future church as resistance
36:00 Multiplication vs addition in discipleship
38:00 Final reflections and the hidden Nazi legacy
This episode is a wild ride through biblical conspiracies, secret edits to Scripture, and why Christians should be the most suspicious people in the room. Doug Van Dorn returns to unpack the supernatural and historical layers behind everything from the Masoretic text to media manipulation—and Brandon even drops insight on Bigfoot as an evangelistic tool. This one’s got theology, mystery, and a whole lot of mind-blowing moments. It's wild, it's weighty, and it's woven with truth. You’ll laugh, you’ll gasp, you might even reevaluate your eschatology. Let’s just say, if you’re not questioning everything, are you even free?
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Timestamps:
01:40 Defining conspiracy theory
02:40 C- lockdown and Doug’s book
04:00 Why conspiracy theory isn’t crazy
05:30 Scientific corruption and journal manipulation
07:20 Foundation of depravity and discernment
08:30 Importance for Christians to understand conspiracy
09:40 Resurrection as a conspiracy counter-narrative
10:50 Enter the Masoretic Text conspiracy
14:20 Two Powers in Heaven and early Jewish theology
16:50 How rabbis altered Scripture
18:00 Messing with genealogies and timelines
20:30 Devious editing to block Messianic claims
22:00 Christian Zionism and Scripture twisting
24:00 Israel as God’s people—then and now
26:20 Jesus as True Israel and fulfillment
28:40 History of American conspiratorial thinking
30:00 Doug’s intro to conspiracies and “In Search Of”
31:20 9/11 and waking up to deception
33:00 Origins of “conspiracy theory” as a smear
35:30 Questioning government is American
37:50 Spiritual roots of conspiracy: Eden
40:10 Serpent seed vs. seed war explained
42:30 Nephilim, Watchers, and the bloodline
44:50 Blood of Jesus and redemption discussion
46:00 Gospel conversations from fringe topics
47:20 Biblical conspiracies galore
49:30 Trusting the Old Testament after textual changes
52:00 God's sovereignty over His Word
54:30 Doug’s favorite modern conspiracies
56:00 Q, children, and the darkest conspiracies
58:00 Christians must engage the supernatural
59:50 God exposes hidden things—even now
01:01:20 Having empathy for conspirators
01:03:00 Keep your eschatology grounded
01:06:00 Reformed Fringe platform
01:08:00 Calvinism and atonement discussion
In this episode, we tackle the misunderstood world of Christian witchcraft—but not in the way you think. Dr. Robin Braun is back and shares wild but sobering stories from her work with survivors of spiritual abuse, cult infiltration in churches, and how manipulation often masquerades as ministry. We also explore spiritual gifts, quantum healing, resonance, and the fine line between authentic supernatural experiences and counterfeit. It's eye-opening, challenging, and full of hope.
https://www.integratedlifestrategies.com/
Timestamps:
02:26
Understanding Charismatic Witchcraft
07:14
Infiltration of the Church by the Occult
10:44
Identifying Manipulation and Control in Ministry
14:15
The Complexity of Spiritual Gifts and Witchcraft
20:50
Navigating Prayer and Intentions
28:52
Recognizing Red Flags in Church Leadership
38:21
Divine Ownership and Human Responsibility
39:48
Exploring Spiritual Laws and Medical Practices
41:09
The Role of Alternative Healing
43:33
Paradigm Shifts and Reprogramming Beliefs
45:57
The Power of Intention in Spiritual Practices
48:07
Mind Control and Critical Thinking
49:53
The Impact of Fear and Denial
51:22
Revival Outside Traditional Church Structures
52:47
The Health of Leadership in the Church
55:35
Infiltration of Occult Practices in Christianity
56:54
The Complexity of Spiritual Experiences
01:01:12
Understanding Frequency and Resonance
01:04:21
The Intersection of Science and Faith
01:10:04
The Nature of Prophecy and Intuition
01:12:51
Healing and the Body's Design
01:14:09
Closing Thoughts and Prayer
You know it’s going to be a wild ride when Vicki Joy Anderson is in the house! This episode is a no-holds-barred deep dive into spiritual warfare, the challenges of isolation in fringe Christian circles, and the struggle of navigating biblical truth in a world full of traditions and misconceptions. We talk about deconstruction without destruction, the pitfalls of making secondary issues into deal-breakers, and the lost art of constructive correction among believers. Oh, and somehow we even managed to tie in rock tumblers, flat earth, and the importance of embracing suffering. Be prepared because this conversation is one for the books!
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https://www.vickijoyanderson.com/
https://www.gothereforeconference.com/
https://throughtheblack.com/
Timestamps:
00:53 Holy Spirit-led conversation
02:30 What’s happening in the body of Christ?
03:07 Increased spiritual warfare reports
04:15 Quantum entanglement in the spirit
05:23 The American mindset of independence
07:36 Church hurt and overcoming it
09:57 The rise of deconstruction in the church
12:13 Questioning traditions in Christianity
14:26 When do secondary issues become primary?
16:49 Confronting sin versus nitpicking traditions
19:00 Isolation in fringe Christian circles
21:06 Fringe beliefs and their impact on church unity
23:25 The danger of hyper-niche Christian groups
25:43 Iron sharpening iron versus echo chambers
28:05 Fringe topics putting marriages at risk
30:24 The danger of making doctrine a deal-breaker
32:38 Boundaries versus centered-set Christianity
34:49 Keeping the gospel the main thing
37:04 The need for humility in eschatology debates
39:14 The sinner’s prayer vs. true discipleship
41:34 Love as the ultimate marker of faith
43:52 The problem with sectarianism in Christianity
46:10 Biblical love vs. worldly love
48:29 True submission as modeled by Christ
50:42 What it means to truly love
52:59 How suffering refines us
55:21 Strength in submission
57:45 The real definition of meekness
01:00:00 Jesus’ example of true leadership
01:02:08 The role of fathers in spiritual protection
01:04:25 The problem with escapist eschatology
01:06:15 What’s next for Vicki Joy Anderson?
01:08:35 Nosferatu and occult symbolism
01:10:56 Demons & Parasites series
01:13:06 Upcoming conferences
Get ready, folks, because we're diving deep into the shadowy world of Operation Paperclip—again! This time, it's Lindsy's turn to take the reins as we uncover the dark reality of N∆ℤ! war criminals and scientists who weren’t just brought over for their rocketry skills but were also deeply entangled in intelligence, chemical warfare, and Cold War espionage. From Klaus Barbie's twisted post-war career to the murky alliances forged under the guise of anti-communism, this episode exposes how far the U.S. was willing to go in the name of national security. The question remains: Did we really win WWII, or did the N∆ℤ! ideology just find a new home?
Timestamps:
02:45 The government’s shady dealings with N∆ℤ!s
04:30 Beyond rocket science—spies, war criminals, and MKUltra
06:15 Klaus Barbie: The Butcher of Lyon and CIA asset
10:18 Laundering N∆ℤ!s instead of money
12:39 The Gellin Organization—Cold War intelligence disaster
15:05 The myth of innocent America
17:27 More N∆ℤ! war criminals recruited by the U.S.
19:55 Wernher von Braun and war crimes
22:16 Nuremberg trials and ignored justice
24:40 The military-industrial complex roots
27:05 Nazi chemical warfare and its ties to MKUltra
29:21 U.S. hypocrisy in biological weapons
31:45 The ends justify the means—or do they?
34:10 Patriotism vs. statism—where do we draw the line?
36:35 The N∆ℤ!s didn't lose, they relocated
39:25 Social engineering and modern consequences
In this episode, we journey deep into the mysteries of ancient Peru with Raul from the Pillars of the Past. Raul shares his passion for uncovering forgotten archaeological sites, fueled by a lifetime of personal connections to Peru and a knack for finding what others have overlooked. We explore the hidden history of the Andes, the challenges of mainstream archaeology, and tantalizing clues suggesting advanced civilizations far older than traditionally believed. From geoglyphs to ancient trade networks, this episode is packed with intrigue, speculation, and a dash of conspiracy mode.
https://www.pillarsofthepast.com/
Timestamps:
00:50 Introducing Raul from Pillars of the Past
01:30 Raul's personal connection to Peru
03:10 Discovering seashells at Machu Picchu as a child
04:45 Exploring ancient sites in Peru
05:35 Theories about the origins of ancient South American peoples
07:54 Impact of LIDAR and modern technology on archaeology
09:20 Discussing Graham Hancock's influence
10:13 Balancing speculation with evidence in archaeology
12:30 Challenges faced by archaeologists outside the mainstream
14:50 Mapping and discovering undocumented ancient sites
17:13 Issues of looting and site preservation
19:29 Revisiting and redating ancient Peruvian sites
21:56 Environmental challenges to preserving ancient sites
24:10 Tracing cultural connections through pottery and iconography
26:34 Oral traditions and lost writing systems of Peru
29:01 Mystery of the Khipus and lost knowledge
31:22 Plans for future expeditions and research in Peru
33:43 Discovering geoglyphs in Norte Chico
36:05 Encounter with Luis and discovering ancient sites
38:22 Finding the oldest stone monolithic calendar in the Americas
40:44 Challenges of archaeological orthodoxy and new discoveries
43:05 Effects of cataclysmic events on ancient coastal settlements
45:18 Speculating on the impact of new discoveries on mainstream theories
47:41 Future plans for more expeditions and research in Peru
49:30 Conclusion and encouragement to support Raul's work
We’re diving back into the rabbit hole with the second installment of our Operation Paperclip deep dive. This week, we’re peeling back the layers of history’s biggest "science fair gone wrong," exposing how Nazi scientists were recruited by the U.S. government for rocket science, biological warfare, and psychological research. Was it all for the greater good, or just a convenient way to whitewash some seriously shady pasts? We tackle the ethics, the cover-ups, and the creepy connections between power and the occult. Von Braun, Himmler, and a whole lot of questionable "scientific progress"—it's all here.
Timestamps:
00:46
Understanding Operation Paperclip
04:33
The Dark Side of Science and Ethics
10:38
The Legacy of Von Braun and Others
18:05
The Ethical Dilemma of Scientific Progress
23:42
The Moral Dilemma of Totalitarian Regimes
25:56
The Role of Intelligence and Occult Practices
28:33
The Propaganda of Operation Paperclip
30:21
The Ethics of Sacrifice for Progress
32:53
The Dark Legacy of Chemical Warfare
34:53
The Horrors of Biological Warfare
39:53
The Justification of Atrocities
40:48
The Power of Propaganda in Society
Alright folks, buckle up, because this episode is diving headfirst into the deep and often heated debate about the age of the earth. Is it young? Is it old? Is there a middle ground? To help us navigate these theological and scientific waters, we brought back the brilliant Carey Griffel of Genesis Marks the Spot. We break down different perspectives—young earth, old earth, theistic evolution—and tackle how these views shape our understanding of Genesis, inspiration, and even God’s character. And of course, we sprinkle in some humor, some tinfoil-hat moments, and a whole lot of nerdy theological goodness. By the end, you might not have all the answers, but you’ll definitely have some new questions!
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Timestamps:
01:19 Recap of previous discussion
02:02 Overview of different views on the age of the earth
02:32 How science and faith intersect
03:24 The impact of one's view of inspiration
04:22 Breaking down Young Earth Creationism
05:48 Problems with a strict Young Earth perspective
07:42 The literary structure of Genesis 1
09:07 The importance of Day Seven in creation
10:48 Concordism and attempts to reconcile science and the Bible
12:26 Ken Ham’s perspective and issues with dogmatic approaches
14:19 Understanding ancient vs. modern views of history
16:02 Genesis as polemic against ancient Near Eastern views
18:25 Why Day Seven is the focal point of creation
19:37 The theological importance of Genesis to the whole biblical narrative
21:26 Old Earth Creationism explained
23:10 The Bible as an ancient text with divine inspiration
26:14 The role of story and history in biblical interpretation
29:01 Defining Old Earth vs. Young Earth perspectives
31:28 Theistic evolution and its theological challenges
35:46 Science as a tool, not an ultimate authority
38:01 The problem of scientism in theological debates
41:04 Carey’s take on evolution and the age of the earth
42:52 When does Theistic Evolution go too far?
45:31 Apologetics: Should it be about defense or attack?
46:43 The supernatural element missing in some perspectives
48:56 Cosmic Temple theology and the significance of Genesis 1-2
52:39 Free will, chaos, and God's sovereignty
57:55 Future hope and exploration in the new creation
01:02:21 How Christians should handle conflicts between science and faith
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