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Yes, we live in this multifaceted world of the SEEN and the UNSEEN.
In each episode we go beyond the veil in our own personal unrefined way.
Our podcast recipe includes: the supernatural, the strange and unexplained from a biblical perspective, PLUS deep dives into the Word AND a wee bit of the conspiratorial for good measure.
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In this episode we sit down with Dr. Natalie Atwell, a mental health pro, to talk all about the messy but important intersection of mental health and spirituality. Brandon gets real about his own struggles and some of the hurdles the church has when it comes to these issues.
Dr. Atwell brings some serious wisdom, highlighting the need to recognize symptoms that often fly under the radar and how we can blend mental health practices with biblical principles. We also dive into how different generations view mental health, plus we unpack the whole “spiritual warfare” topic.
It’s all about taking a compassionate, holistic approach to mental health in faith communities—because we could all use a little more understanding and support!
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Timestamps:
Discussion on Spiritual Bypassing (00:02:11)
Dr. Atwell's Background (00:03:13)
The Impact of "virus" on Mental Health (00:04:27)
Defining "Weird" in Mental Health (00:05:18)
Exploration of Atypical Symptoms (00:06:36)
Research and Resources (00:07:38)
The Importance of Discernment (00:08:36)
Personal Story of Deliverance (00:08:40)
Trauma in Deliverance Ministry (00:10:14)
Healing Modalities in Practice (00:11:04)
Assessment for Atypical Symptoms (00:12:47)
Skepticism in Therapy (00:14:13)
Discussion on Fraternal Orders (00:14:09)
Interest in Inner Healing (00:15:55)
Cultural Context of Mental Health (00:17:44)
Approach to Unbelievers (00:18:01)
Building Trust in Counseling (00:21:01)
Struggles with Mental Health (00:23:04)
The Role of Medicine in Healing (00:25:15)
Natalie's Perspective on Medicine (00:26:47)
Cultural Attitudes Towards Mental Health (00:28:57)
The Importance of a Holistic Approach (00:30:28)
The Complexity of Mental Health (00:33:15)
Understanding Demonic Influence (00:34:57)
Training Clinicians in Faith-Based Approaches (00:35:54)
The Need for Collaboration (00:37:12)
Exploring the Concept of Possession (00:39:42)
The Spectrum of Mental Health Issues (00:42:36)
Demons and Low-Level Forces (00:44:11)
Understanding Spiritual Attacks (00:44:35)
Demon in the Gaps (00:46:15)
Truth vs. Power Encounter (00:47:17)
Clinical Perspective on Spiritual Issues (00:47:50)
Teaching Identity (00:49:07)
Altruistic Thinking (00:50:12)
Mental Warrior Consulting (00:51:58)
Missions and Support (00:53:14)
Podcast and Community Engagement (00:54:31)
Supernatural Encounters (00:55:29)
This is the 💥MUST LISTEN💥 episode, as hosts Brandon Spain, Lindsy Waters and BT Wallace, with guest Vicki Joy Anderson discuss the Christian life, focusing on perseverance, self-discipline, and preparation for future challenges. Vicki Joy emphasizes that resilience is built through small, everyday choices, such as maintaining daily routines and practicing self-discipline. The conversation highlights the importance of spiritual resilience, likening it to training for a battle. The hosts encourage listeners to integrate spiritual practices into daily life, stressing that true strength comes from a deep, relational connection with God.
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Timestamps:
Preparing for Future Challenges (00:02:49)
Redefining Perseverance (00:03:41)
Cultural Freedom vs. Future Constraints (00:04:35)
Daily Discipline Examples (00:05:54)
The Importance of Small Choices (00:10:14)
Cultural Attitudes Toward Discipline (00:10:29)
Building Self-Discipline (00:12:07)
Practical Self-Discipline Techniques (00:12:58)
Preparing for Temptations (00:13:43)
Missionary Training Insights (00:14:25)
Cultural Reflections on End Times (00:15:10)
Eschatological Perspectives (00:16:18)
Preparation vs. Denial (00:17:34)
Cultural Inconvenience and Readiness (00:19:30)
Misinterpretation of Prophetic Messages (00:20:08)
The Untouchable Illusion (00:20:59)
Cleaning the Camp (00:22:06)
Mundane Tasks and Prayer Life (00:22:48)
Balancing Mundanity and Spirituality (00:24:34)
Defining a Good Day (00:25:21)
Time Management for God (00:26:31)
Struggling with Distractions (00:27:30)
The Heart of Quiet Time (00:29:20)
The Structure of Prayer (00:32:27)
The Lord's Prayer as a Model (00:35:11)
Coaching the Soul (00:36:49)
Choosing Life Over Despair (00:38:50)
The Battle Cry (00:40:56)
Self-Discipline and Emotions (00:42:07)
David's Example (00:43:08)
Preaching to Oneself (00:44:08)
Recognizing the Battle (00:46:12)
Understanding Suffering (00:49:03)
The Weight of Glory (00:55:58)
Prayer for Fearlessness (01:00:36)
Contact Information (01:02:24)
Discussion on Military Influence (01:03:02)
Star Wars Reference as a Prayer (01:03:25)
Appreciation for Vicki (01:03:42)
Hosts Brandon, Lindsy and BT delve into the mysterious disappearance of Kenny Veach, an experienced hiker who vanished in the Mojave Desert in 2014. Brandon introduces the case containing the eerie M Cave while emphasizing the importance of evidence. Lindsy recaps Kenny's story, highlighting his discovery of the strange cave and weird messages received. BT provides context about the harsh desert conditions and potential military connections. The hosts explore various theories, including supernatural elements, military technology, and personal motivations, aiming to shed light on this enduring mystery.
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Timestamps:
Kenny Story Recap (00:02:50)
Circumstances of Disappearance (00:03:39)
Kenny's Hiking Habits (00:04:39)
Supernatural Experience (00:05:05)
Theories on Kenny's Fate (00:05:23)
Mojave Desert Context (00:06:02)
Kenny's Background and Area 51 (00:07:06)
The Mystique of Area 51 (00:12:36)
Potential Arrest by Military (00:16:08)
Speculations on Kenny's Disappearance (00:17:25)
Finding Kenny's Cell Phone (00:18:40)
Energy Weapons Theory (00:19:28)
Caving Hazards (00:21:35)
GPS Limitations in 2014 (00:23:12)
Directed Energy Weapons Incident (00:24:39)
Introduction to the Havana Syndrome (00:24:59)
Effects of Frequency on Perception (00:25:32)
Kenny Veach's Disappearance Theories (00:28:51)
Security Footage Discussion (00:31:12)
Possibility of a Fresh Start (00:32:42)
Final Thoughts on Kenny Veach (00:35:03)
Supernatural Elements in Disappearances (00:37:06)
Safety Warnings for Hikers (00:38:24)
Closing Remarks (00:39:46)
In this episode hosts invite guest Carey Griffel from Genesis Marks The Spot to dive into some fascinating theological topics like "old earth" and the "pre-Adamic race." They explore different ways to interpret biblical texts, especially Genesis, and what these interpretations mean for our understanding of humanity, sin, and the image of God. Carey highlights the importance of thinking critically and considering the context when studying the Bible. Meanwhile, the hosts share their thoughts on how these interpretations can align with modern science and theology. By the end, they encourage listeners to rethink traditional views and deepen their faith.
https://www.genesismarksthespot.com/
Timestamps:
Background on Old Earth and Pre-Adamic Race (00:01:40)
Personal Experiences with Pre-Adamic Concepts (00:03:54)
Historical Context of Pre-Adamic Discussions (00:04:29)
Trends vs. Fads in Theology (00:05:18)
Critical Thinking in Biblical Study (00:05:31)
Interpreting the Bible's Plain Meaning (00:06:47)
Cultural Perspectives on Truth and Fact (00:08:14)
Cosmology and Historical Perspectives (00:09:18)
Understanding Different Historical Narratives (00:10:00)
Exploring Different Interpretations of Genesis (00:11:11)
The Role of Presuppositions in Interpretation (00:12:27)
Death Before the Fall Discussion (00:19:56)
Contextual Analysis of Romans 5 (00:20:06)
The Concept of All in Romans 5 (00:22:20)
Typology of Adam and Jesus (00:25:54)
Election Starting with Adam (00:26:59)
Election Patterns in Scripture (27:01)
Typology and Sin (27:43)
Death and Separation from God (29:51)
Command and Rebellion (31:14)
Philosophical Framework of Death (32:38)
Consciousness and Hominids (33:40)
Image of God (35:34)
Divine Council and Community (36:53)
Communal Aspect of Sacrifice (42:14)
Purification and Atonement (51:22)
Introduction to Holistic Spirituality (00:53:52)
Definition of Propitiation (00:54:28)
Historical Context of Sacrifice (00:56:35)
Typology of Worship (00:57:31)
God's Presence and Humanity (01:01:05)
The Distancing of God (01:02:36)
Shared Sacrifice in the Garden (01:05:48)
Blame and Distance from God (01:06:40)
The Need for New Perspectives (01:09:05)
Final Thoughts on Unity in Humanity (01:10:30)
In this episode hosts engage with guest Patrick Meechan, an author and deliverance minister, about his experiences with hauntings and spiritual warfare as well as sharing first hand knowledge dealing with the darker aspects of the Amish community and the presence of folk magic. Patrick discusses his books, "Nightmare in Holmes County" and "220 5th Street," sharing personal stories of paranormal encounters and the emotional toll they took. He emphasizes the importance of understanding spiritual implications and the authority believers have in confronting these forces. Patrick's insights offer a thought-provoking perspective on faith and the supernatural.
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Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/patrick.meechan
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Timestamps:
Overview of Patrick's Books (00:01:09)
Experiences in Haunted Houses (00:01:14)
Misconceptions in the Paranormal Community (00:02:29)
The Process of Writing (00:03:42)
Living in the Haunted House (00:04:23)
Exorcism Attempt (00:04:23)
Investigation into the Haunting (00:05:15)
Writing Journey and Deliverance (00:06:14)
Personal Struggles and Spiritual Attacks (00:09:11)
Chilling Events in 220 5th Street (00:11:25)
Paranormal Experiences While Writing (00:12:28)
Strongman Concept in Ministry (00:15:52)
Encounters with Strongmen (00:17:54)
Spiritual Warfare and Jezebel (00:18:00)
Binding Demons (00:19:49)
Authority of the Believer (00:20:52)
Amish Culture and Hypocrisy (00:26:10)
Satanic Rituals in Amish Communities (00:23:05)
Personal Experiences with the Amish (00:27:09)
Confrontation and Spiritual Warfare (00:31:07)
Patrick's Siege Experience (00:35:36)
Forgiveness and Spiritual Growth (00:36:23)
Trusting God During Trials (00:37:17)
Learning About Spiritual Warfare (00:38:29)
The Intimidation of Demonic Forces (00:39:28)
Identifying the Spiritual Door (00:40:28)
Experiences with Paranormal Entities (00:41:22)
Authority in Spiritual Warfare (00:43:23)
The Great Commission and Spiritual Authority (00:44:33)
Lukewarm Churches and Spiritual Attacks (00:46:36)
Amish Practices and Folk Magic (00:47:43)
Intent in Witchcraft Practices (00:50:04)
Occult Influences in Holmes County (00:51:06)
The Witchcraft Connection (00:53:08)
Holmes County's Dark Presence (00:54:47)
Rum Springer Revelations (00:55:14)
Conjuring Demons at Parties (00:56:13)
The Impact of Past Actions (00:57:05)
Amish vs. Mennonite Differences (00:58:26)
Where to Find Patrick's Work (00:59:43)
Get ready for a chat between your unrefined hosts and Steve Dabbs, a retired military chaplain and author of "When Demons Surface," about the topic of spiritual warfare. Steve opens up about his personal journey and experiences with demonic influences, stressing the importance of understanding spiritual battles. They tackle common misconceptions, like the idea that Christians can't be attacked by demons, and explain terms such as "demonized." The conversation also offers practical advice for engaging in spiritual warfare, including devotion to scripture, fellowship, and prayer, to help believers strengthen their spiritual defenses.
Get Steve's Book- https://www.iamstevedabbs.com/
https://whendemonssurface.com
Timestamps:
Introduction to Spiritual Warfare (00:00:09)
Guest Introduction (00:01:26)
Steve's Background (00:02:09)
The Turning Point (00:04:04)
Experiences with Demonic Disturbances (00:06:07)
Misconceptions about Spiritual Warfare (00:07:12)
Understanding Demonization (00:12:41)
The Importance of Church History (00:12:22)
Confusion in the Church (00:16:03)
Practical Steps for Spiritual Warfare (00:20:10)
Impact of Rote Prayers (00:22:58)
Postures in Prayer (00:24:38)
Unity in Christian Denominations (00:28:07)
Spiritual Warfare and Personal Attacks (00:38:41)
Opposition in Ministry (00:40:08)
Biblical Precedence for Demonic Attacks (00:43:39)
Demonic Manifestation and Responsibility (00:44:44)
Biphasic Sleep and the Bewitching Hour (00:46:28)
Intercessory Prayer for Bloodline (00:47:33)
The Role of Fasting in Spiritual Warfare (00:48:37)
Historical Context of Prayer (00:51:02)
Personal Encounters and Biblical Insights (00:54:11)
Authority Over Evil Spirits (00:57:43)
Book Release Announcement (00:58:07)
In this episode your hosts delve into the paranormal and afterlife with guest Matt Arnold, editor of the Christian Parapsychologist Journal and author of "The Invisible Dimension: Spirit Beings, Ghosts, and the Afterlife." Matt shares his journey from childhood fascination with ghosts to his work as a Christian minister. He explores biblical perspectives on the afterlife, historical beliefs, and personal experiences, emphasizing the importance of understanding scripture within its historical context. The discussion highlights the evolving views on death, consciousness, and the significance of spiritual exploration.
https://ghostsghoulsandgod.co.uk/
https://a.co/d/iaMIUru
Timestamps:
Matt's Early Interest in the Paranormal (00:03:17)
Experiences in New Age Festivals (00:04:59)
Exploring Christian Mysticism (00:07:15)
First Paranormal Experience (00:08:31)
Research and Academic Background (00:10:50)
Building a Resource for Understanding the Paranormal (00:12:10)
Insights from Historical Context (00:13:31)
The Evolution of Afterlife Understanding (00:14:40)
Critique of Traditional Views on Hell (00:15:05)
Engaging with Cultural Perspectives (00:16:19)
Using Non-Canonical Texts for Understanding Scripture (00:17:17)
Discussion on Catholic and Orthodox Perspectives (00:19:23)
Discussion on the Book (00:20:00)
Afterlife Beliefs (00:21:37)
Hebraic Afterlife Concepts (00:22:45)
Chasms in the Afterlife (00:24:00)
Lazarus and the Rich Man (00:25:07)
Initial Judgment (00:28:49)
Paradise Explained (00:31:02)
Paul’s Experience of Paradise (00:33:10)
Soul Sleep Debate (00:34:39)
Impact of Luther on Afterlife Beliefs (00:37:24)
The Afterlife Debate (00:38:42)
Personal Loss and Prayer (00:40:08)
The Body of Christ (00:41:27)
Historical Context of Prayers for the Dead (00:43:08)
Straw Man Arguments (00:45:10)
Judgment and Salvation (00:46:03)
Mansions and Afterlife Journey (00:48:30)
Timelessness in the Afterlife (00:50:24)
Rest in Peace (00:52:00)
Geographical Afterlife Imagery (00:53:15)
Functional Afterlife Beliefs (00:54:55)
Hope and Understanding (00:55:25)
Guest Information and Resources (00:56:36)
Exploring Depth in Spirituality (00:58:40)
The Spiritual Thirst (00:59:56)
Rise of Spiritualism (01:00:58)
Understanding Afterlife Imagery (01:01:07)
Personal Encounters with the Afterlife (01:01:30)
The Purpose of the Book (01:02:03)
Eschatology Shift (01:02:24)
Book Recommendation (01:02:49)
In this episode co-hosts Brandon and Lindsy, along with guest Lee Wood, delve into the principles of making disciples and church planting movements. Lee shares his personal testimony, including his redemption through faith after being homeless and joining the military. The discussion emphasizes simplicity, relational honesty, and the balance between intentionality and organic faith. They highlight the importance of intimacy with God, modeling, and authenticity in discipleship. Lee recounts miraculous experiences, including a dramatic car accident and a healing event, underscoring the power of faith and obedience to God's leading.
https://loveoneanother.life/
https://www.l1achurchfortmyers.com/
Lee's email : lwood4811@gmail.com
Brandon's email: brandon@unrefinedpodcast.com
Sandy's email: sandy@unrefinedpodcast.com
Timestamps:
Introducing guest Lee Wood (00:01:28)
Personal testimony (00:02:19)
Defining DMM and CPM (00:09:08)
Discussion on the structure of churches (00:11:52)
Using modern tools and technology (00:15:29)
Emphasizing simplicity and growth (00:19:01)
Balancing intentionality with organic aspects (00:22:50)
Influencing others through love (00:25:31)
Homelessness and Military Service (00:25:52)
Redemption and Influence (00:27:23)
Lessons from Military Experience (00:27:41)
Mistakes and Learning (00:30:52)
Relationships and Organic Church (00:32:16)
Transformation and Relationality (00:37:30)
Future of the Church (00:43:42)
Intimacy and Obedience (00:47:57)
Connecting with Others (00:50:49)
Connecting and Collaborating (00:51:14)
Podcasting (00:51:38)
Miraculous Experiences (00:53:25)
Discipleship and Church Growth (00:59:21)
Encouragement and Invitation (01:02:23)
In this episode of the Unrefined Podcast, hosts interview Nancy Bowser, a survivor of programming as a child at Lookout Mountain Air Force Station and Laboratory. Nancy recounts her harrowing experiences with Satanic Ritual Abuse (SRA) and MKUltra, detailing her programming by her 33rd degree Freemason uncle and the traumatic training she endured. Despite the severe abuse, Nancy emphasizes the importance of sharing her story to offer hope and redemption through faith in Jesus Christ. The hosts express their admiration for Nancy's resilience and discuss the significance of reclaiming ground from the enemy.
*This episode contains broad details of sinister events that may not be appropriate for all audiences.*
Lookout Mountain Air Force Station/Lab now- https://youtu.be/skMbvw-KIOw
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Timestamps:
Nancy's Background (00:02:15)
Encounter with Jesus (00:03:06)
Sunday School Superintendent (00:04:35)
Taking Back Ground (00:09:05)
Initiation into Special School (00:11:17)
Assassination Training (00:19:30)
Interaction with Danny (00:23:01)
The escape and punishment (00:25:15)
Encounter at the movie studio (00:26:42)
Trauma and programming (00:27:55)
Assassination training and library (00:29:09)
Realization and discussion (00:33:16)
Confirmation and continuation (00:34:34)
Positive reinforcement and research (00:40:29)
The Boss and Laurel Canyon (00:47:13)
The boss of the library (00:51:45)
The influence of music (00:52:26)
Forgiveness and a surprising book (00:54:09)
Encounter with Jesus (00:59:27)
Reflections on Manson (00:59:55)
Unaffected by drugs (01:00:37)
Memories of drugs and future plans (01:01:24)
Inspiring intercessors and a workbook (01:04:47)
Admiration and encouragement (01:08:06)
Gratitude and future plans (01:09:06)
In this episode Dr. Merrill G Greene discusses his book "The Weirdness of God" and his journey from a conservative Baptist background to exploring altered states of consciousness in the Bible and contemporary charismatic Christianity. Hosts Brandon and Lindsy engage with Dr. Greene on topics such as the Trinity, the Holy Spirit, and the phenomenon of speaking in tongues. They delve into the theological and experiential aspects of these subjects, emphasizing the importance of an open-mind to God, discernment, and a deep relationship with God in understanding and practicing spiritual gifts.
https://www.weirdgod.com/
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Timestamps:
Altered States of Consciousness (00:01:24)
Conversion Journey (00:03:10)
Biblical Basis for Charismatic Experiences (00:06:29)
The Weirdness of God the Father (00:08:38)
Weirdness of Jesus (00:14:49)
Weirdness of the Holy Spirit (00:18:24)
The weirdness of altered states (00:19:30)
Manifestations of the Holy Spirit (00:20:20)
Balancing manifestations in church (00:21:18)
Charismatic leanings and theology (00:23:12)
God's creativity and our limitations (00:24:24)
Faith, risk, and supernatural manifestations (00:25:29)
Obedience and supernatural encounters (00:27:27)
Controversy and power of speaking in tongues (00:29:35)
Variety of tongues and spiritual interpretation (00:31:06)
Comparative religious studies and supernatural encounters (00:36:12)
Encountering God and embracing diversity (00:38:12)
The gift of miracles (00:39:20)
The prophetic and its impact (00:41:07)
Honing of spiritual gifts (00:45:12)
Discernment and relationship with God (00:48:50)
Criticism of the charismatic movement (00:53:05)
Theology of intent and supernatural experiences (00:57:46)
The Salvation Army Encounter (00:58:16)
Guidance to Work with the Poor (00:59:35)
Preparation for Ministry (01:01:05)
Working with First Nations People (01:02:41)
Contact Information and Book Availability (01:03:30)
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