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**Undermine**

Undermine is the definitive Phish podcast. New season coming soon, building on what we’ve done—seasons on Phish’s genesis in the 1980s, the Phish community, the Baker’s Dozen, and Fall ’97. Through deep-dives into the music, shows and songs; interviews with people who were there; and discussion about Phish’s lasting impact. Undermine is presented by Osiris Media.

Latest Episodes:

Under the Scales: Lyric Dive Evening Song (Re-Release) Dec 02, 2024

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RJ Bee and Tom take a deep dive into the lyrics of Evening Song. Originally released in 2020.

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Under the Scales: Don Hart (Re-Release) Nov 27, 2024

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Tom is joined by a very special guest for the new Under the Scales season premier. Don Hart is a Nashville composer and arranger, and has been working with Trey since 2004 to add beautiful orchestration to so many of his songs. Don discusses working with Trey, and their technique, and illuminates the details behind many of their collaborations in a very musical episode. Originally released in 2020.

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Under the Scales: Kevin Cassels (Re-Release) Nov 22, 2024

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The secrets and stories behind the Pharmers Almanac Volume 6, bible to Phish fans when it came out in October 2000, are told by its creator Kevin Cassels. Fly backwards 20 years into Phish's remarkable history with Kevin and Tom. Recorded by Julia Shuster.

Originally released in 2020.

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Under the Scales: Billy Strings (Re-Release) Nov 20, 2024

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The wonderful bluegrass sensation Billy Strings is on the show! Billy shares 5 important songs with Tom and explains how they influenced his career. Originally released in 2020.

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Under the Scales: Jesse Jarnow (Re-Release) Nov 18, 2024

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Rock writer Jesse Jarnow is featured. We discuss his many articles, books and career at large. One article in particular created enormous ripples (a tsunami?) in the Phish community. Jesse is known in the Osiris world as the voice/writer of After Midnight, a tribute to Phish's 1999 Big Cypress festival. Originally released in 2020.

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Under the Scales: CID Presents (Re-Release) Nov 15, 2024

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Dan Berkowitz, founder and president of CID Presents is interviewed by Tom and RJ. What is CID Presents? How did they pull off yet another amazing Phish gala in Mexico? Why did Phish move to a different resort? What is CID doing next? All these questions and more, answered. Originally released in 2020.

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Under the Scales: Goose Part 2 (Re-Release) Nov 13, 2024

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Conclusion (Part 2). Tom and RJ interview Rick Mitarotonda and Peter Anspach of Goose live onstage at the Brooklyn Bell House as part of the Brooklyn Podcast Festival. They played several acoustic numbers and were joined by their friend Jeffrey Arevelo on upright bass. Those were Arcadia, Time to Flee, A Western Sun, Brian & Robert (Phish), Jive II, Birds of a Feather (Phish). Originally released in 2020.

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Under the Scales: Goose Part 1 (Re-Release) Nov 11, 2024

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(Part 1 of 2) Tom and RJ interview Rick Mitarotonda and Peter Anspach of Goose live onstage at the Brooklyn Bell House as part of the Brooklyn Podcast Festival. They played several acoustic numbers and were joined by their friend Jeffrey Arevelo on upright bass. Those were Arcadia, Time to Flee, A Western Sun, Brian & Robert (Phish), Jive II, Birds of a Feather (Phish). Originally released in 2020.

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Under the Scales: Ezra Koenig of Vampire Weekend (Re-Release) Nov 07, 2024

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Ezra Koenig of Vampire Weekend talks songwriting, Phish, music industry, show biz, influences, New York and more.

RJ Bee joins Tom to interview Ezra in a far-ranging open-ended interview where the Vampire Weekend effect is viewed through a Phish lens occasionally. Originally released in 2020.

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Under the Scales: Pink Talking Cal Kehoe (Re-Release) Nov 04, 2024

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Cal Kehoe, guitarist for Pink Talking Fish, talks music with Tom. The two met exactly 10 years ago, and have written three songs together and shared a stage at a Phish after show during the Bakers Dozen in 2017. Listen to Cal discuss PTF and the method and philosophy behind covering three bands.

There's a lot of music in this podcast. "Anthony" from Sonic Boom Studios in Raritan NJ is mentioned several times...but not his last name for some reason...sorry Anthony KRIZAN!!! Anthony and Tom and Cal have written and recorded together.

Those songs along with a lot of Pink Talking Fish are played. Tom and Cal's song Limbo is discussed and played in its entirety at the end of the show.

(BTW...yes, we know that it's actually "Sheep" and not "Dogs".)

Originally released in 2019.

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