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How Satoshi Nakamoto and Vitalik Buterin Inspired Key Parts of Celestia - Ep. 672 Jul 12, 2024

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Mustafa Al-Bassam was a teenage hacktivist who outsmarted a US government contractor, shamed the Westboro Baptist Church, hacked Sony a record number of times, and eventually got arrested—though his 80 transgressions got halved for a funny reason.

At the Modular Summit in Brussels, Laura had a fireside chat with Mustafa to discuss how he went from his teenage years as the head of LulzSec and member of Anonymous to founding Celestia, a project aiming to solve key issues in blockchain scalability by going with a modular approach.

He also discussed data availability sampling, why he believes Celestia has achieved significant product-market fit since its launch, and the three key components of Celestia’s road map.

Show highlights:

00:00 Intro
01:47 Mustafa’s origin story and how he became a developer who ended up hacking FBI affiliates and Fox News
05:32 How he hacked a military contractor to the US Department of Defense and Sony
09:16 Why Mustafa was arrested at the age of 16
11:14 What about Bitcoin attracted his attention and got him interested in the industry
15:22 Why he founded Celestia, after doing a PhD in scaling blockchains and understanding the problems of sharding
21:16 What data availability sampling is and why it is important
23:52 Why Mustafa believes that Celestia has had “extreme product market fit” since the launch
26:16 What’s next for Celestia and why Mustafa is so excited about the possibilities that increased block size can enable
29:36 How Celestia is working with zero knowledge accounts for defragmenting liquidity in rollups and access liquidity even within the Cosmos ecosystem
30:57 What the endgame for Celestia and the overall industry looks like, according to Mustafa
37:36 Q&A with the audience
44:44 Crypto News Recap

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Mustafa Al-Bassam, co-founder of Celestia Labs.
Previous appearance on Unchained: Why the Celestia Team Sees a Future With 10,000 Roll-Ups

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Previous coverage of Unchained on modular blockchains:
Three Crypto Pioneers on Crypto’s Monolithic vs. Modular Debate
What Are Modular Blockchains? A Beginner's Guide

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Why the SEC Lawsuit Against Consensys May Hold Little Ground - Ep. 671 Jul 09, 2024

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In this episode, crypto lawyers Kayvan Sadeghi and Sam Enzer delve into the SEC's lawsuit against Consensys, which focuses on MetaMask's swaps and staking services, and explore the implications of the SEC's stance on MetaMask acting as a broker-dealer, and the classification of its staking product as a security.

They discuss how recent rulings on Coinbase and Binance challenge the SEC's claims, and whether differing judicial opinions could lead to the Supreme Court.

Also, they talk about the potential impact of the Supreme Court striking down Chevron deference for crypto regulation.

Show highlights:

00:00 Intro
01:22 The key claims in the SEC's lawsuit against Consensys and how they relate to MetaMask's swaps and staking services
03:42 How recent Coinbase and Binance rulings challenge the SEC's claims against Consensys
09:29 Whether differing judicial opinions on whether wallets with private keys act as brokers could end up being decided by the Supreme Court
12:55 How the SEC will substantiate its claims that MetaMask acts as a broker-dealer and that its staking product is a security in Texas legal briefings
17:42 Why a token itself is not considered a security, according to Sam, and how this distinction affects secondary market transactions in the SEC's case against MetaMask
22:14 What Lido and Rocket Pool can do in response to the SEC tangentially naming their liquid staking tokens as securities
31:27 How the SEC and Consensys lawsuits will proceed, and whether conflicting rulings could arise from their parallel tracks
36:35 The key distinctions in the Binance case compared to those of Coinbase and Kraken, and how the Binance ruling might impact future crypto cases
50:08 What Chevron deference means and how its removal impacts crypto
56:49 How the elimination of Chevron deference affects current crypto cases and legislative gridlock

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Guests:

Kayvan Sadeghi, partner at Jenner & Block
Sam Enzer, partner at Cahill Gordon & Reindel
Previous episode of Unchained with Sam and Kayvan: SBF Trial: How Sam Bankman-Fried’s Lawyers Might Try and Win His Case

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How Crypto Prediction Market Polymarket Signaled Early That Biden Might Drop Out - Ep. 670 Jul 05, 2024

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Prediction markets are gaining mainstream traction, particularly with the upcoming US elections. In this episode, Nick Tomaino, founder of 1confirmation, which is an investor in Polymarket, explores how platforms like Polymarket identified the possibility that President Biden might drop out of the campaign before the mainstream media did. He talks about the journey of Polymarket, the challenges it faced, and how it overcame them to provide a credible platform for betting on political outcomes.

Finally, Nick explains why prediction markets are currently illegal in the U.S., the implications of the Supreme Court striking down Chevron deference, and what the future holds for prediction markets in the U.S.

Show highlights:

00:00 Intro
01:28 Why prediction markets like Polymarket finally gained mainstream traction, and how 1confirmation became an early investor
04:01 What challenges Polymarket faced in its journey to mainstream recognition, and how it managed to overcome them
07:22 How prediction markets contribute to bringing more truth to the world, particularly in the context of media narratives and social media algorithms
12:52 What challenges have arisen from conflicts in resolving prediction markets on Polymarket
19:00 How bets are created and how the wording and resolution of prediction markets is managed on Polymarket
21:56 How trading volumes affect the credibility of prediction markets on Polymarket
22:38The regulatory environment of prediction markets in the US and whether the elimination of Chevron deference by the Supreme Court will have a positive impact on these markets
28:35 Crypto News Recap

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Guest

Nick Tomaino, Founder & General Partner at 1confirmation

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Recent news on Polymarket:

Unchained: Polymarket Hits Record Highs in Monthly Users and Trading Volume Due to Presidential Election
Crypto.news: Polymarket reverses Oracle decision on Barron Trump's involvement in DJT meme coin
Decrypt: Ethereum ETFs Approved by the SEC? Yes—But Don't Bet On It - Decrypt
Dune dashboard: Prediction Markets

Commentary:

Vitalik’s tweet: “Prediction markets and Community Notes are becoming the two flagship social epistemic technologies of the 2020s. Both truth-seeking and democratic, built around open public participation rather than pre-selected elites. I want to see many more things like this.”
Nick Tomaino’s tweet: “2024 will go down in history as the year prediction markets went mainstream.”

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The Chopping Block: Biden's Resignation Odds, Market Predictions, and Chevron Ruling's Impact on Crypto - Ep. 669 Jul 04, 2024

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Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Robert Leshner, and Tarun Chitra explore the latest trends in the crypto world. In this episode, special guest Laura Shin is sitting in for Tom to discuss the impact of prediction markets on politics and crypto. They explore how prediction markets like Polymarket affect public perception during the presidential election, contrasting their reliability against traditional journalism. The conversation also touches on the implications of prediction markets on insider trading, market manipulation, and the role of expert information. Additionally, they discuss the Supreme Court's overturning of the Chevron doctrine and its potential impact on regulatory shifts in the crypto industry. The episode provides an insightful analysis into how prediction markets could revolutionize journalism and the evolving landscape of crypto regulation.

Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Pandora, Castbox, Google Podcasts, TuneIn, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform.

Show highlights

🔹 Discussion on the recent presidential debate and its implications for prediction markets and the crypto industry.

🔹 Overview of the prediction market phenomenon and its growing importance in political forecasting.

🔹 Examination of the recent Supreme Court ruling overturning Chevron Deference and its implications for crypto regulations.

🔹 Debate on whether the ruling will lead to more specific legislation from Congress or if it will hinder effective rulemaking.

🔹 Speculation on how different political figures might impact future crypto legislation and regulation.

Hosts

⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly

⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly

⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate

⭐️Laura Shin, journalist, author of ‘The Cryptopians,’ founder and CEO of Unchained

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00:00 Intro
01:50 Presidential Debate Chaos
04:25 Mainstream Media vs. Prediction Markets
16:48 Insiders in Prediction Markets
30:38 Prediction Markets vs. Sports Betting
38:58 Market Manipulation
50:22 Supreme Court Ruling & Chevron Deference

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Bits + Bips: Ethereum and Solana ETFs and Why Crypto Is Poised for a Breakout - Ep. 668 Jul 03, 2024

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Are Solana ETFs on the brink of approval? How might political outcomes influence this decision?

Join hosts James Seyffart, Alex Kruger, and Joe McCann as they delve into the latest buzz around Solana’s potential spot ETFs, dissect the SEC's puzzling delay on Ethereum ETFs, and debate why Bitcoin’s recent performance has diverged from the NASDAQ.

They also discuss the U.S. presidential election, the event that Alex says was the “second most bizarre thing” he’s seen in his life, what the bond market seems to indicate about expectations for a Trump presidency, and how upcoming nonfarm payroll reports and potential rate might affect the markets.

Show highlights:

00:00 Intro
01:47 How political outcomes might influence the approval of spot Solana ETFs
04:16 Whether futures ETFs are 100% needed for an approval of spot crypto ETFs
09:26 The high premium on Grayscale's Solana Trust (GSOL)
13:50 How the outcome of the 2024 U.S. presidential election could impact the crypto industry
20:55 Why the SEC delayed the launch of the Ethereum ETF
24:53 How the upcoming nonfarm payroll report and potential rate cuts impact market volatility and the Federal Reserve's decisions
27:51 How the rise of populist candidates in France and changes in currency markets might affect the US dollar and the broader economic landscape
31:40 How Bitcoin, Ethereum, and Solana performed in Q2, and the surprising outperformance of BONK
34:45 Why Bitcoin's performance diverged from the Nasdaq's recent rally
45:48 How recent movements in long-term bond rates are linked to political changes, such as the rise of right-wing populism and concerns about fiscal responsibility
52:45 How FTX creditors could potentially influence market dynamics, and the irony in the US government using Coinbase as a custodian

Hosts:

James Seyffart, Research Analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence
Alex Kruger, Founder of Asgard
Joe McCann, Founder, CEO, and CIO of Asymmetric

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How to Figure Out Whether a Crypto Token Is Worth Its Trading Price - Ep. 667 Jul 02, 2024

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The problem of low float, high fully diluted valuation (FDV) coins is one that is frequently discussed in crypto. But there’s another wrinkle: investors need to understand the unrealized gains of these coins to really understand the price.

In this episode, Jose Macedo of Delphi Digital and Ari Paul of Blocktower Capital explain the various metrics that reveal what a coin is really worth, why a wave of token unlocks that will be hitting the crypto markets in the next few years are not bullish, and whether there is a better way to design token unlocks for teams and insiders.

Plus, they cover whether venture capitalists are extractive to crypto, whether these games with circulating supply and FDV have caused investors to turn to memecoins, and why they believe the ICO era was better for retail investors.

Show highlights:

00:00 Intro
01:58 Why upcoming token unlocks are creating market jitters
10:22 How the ratio of unrealized gains to market cap influences token price movements
12:22 How some token projects manipulate their reported circulating supply
20:24 Whether and how everyday investors can uncover the truth about token projects
23:37 What secondary market trading says about the potential impact of upcoming token unlocks
34:50 Why Jose believes that the current token launch strategy, despite its flaws, is still favored by insiders and unlikely to change soon
41:02 Why some projects favor decisions that are more likely to result in short-term gains over long-term success
46:36 Why Jose believes that simple time-based token unlocks often work better than complex metrics, and how projects can balance funding with realistic success metrics
53:04 Why Ari believes the SEC's investigations into VCs for acting as securities dealers might be justified, and how these practices resemble pump-and-dump schemes
59:11 With numerous token unlocks looming, why the outlook is bearish for many projects, and what challenges they face in mitigating potential sell-offs
1:05:52 Why many crypto investors might end up holding the bag in the current cycle, despite plans to sell early and avoid losses
1:12:27 What the future role of VCs is in crypto, and how the influx of token unlocks and the rise of memecoins could shape the bull cycle

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Guests:

Jose Macedo, founder at Delphi Labs
Ari Paul, CIO of Blocktower Capital
Previous appearances on Unchained:
Ari Paul on Why Bitcoin Is a Good Value Buy
Ari Paul of BlockTower Capital on the Crypto Downturn and Why It Could Change Direction

Links

High FDV and unlocks:

Unchained:
How ‘Fully Diluted Valuation’ Can Be a Very Dangerous Metric for Crypto Markets to Rely On
Who’s to Blame for the Underperformance of Low Float, High FDV Tokens?
80% of Tokens on Binance Are Down Since Listing Date: SwissBorg Researcher
Cobie newsletter: New launches (part 1) - private capture, phantom pricing
Rocknblock: Token vesting explainer
CoinDesk: 'Liquid Vesting' Is Oxymoronic Blockchain Feature That Lets Early Investors Sell Without Waiting
Jose’s thread that inspired the episode
Ari’s post responding to Jose’s thread
Token.unlocks.app: Token vesting tracker

Solutions:

Hack VC: Potential Solutions to Crypto's Unlock Problem
Colony Lab: Early-Stage Program & Liquid Vesting
Imran Khan’s tweet on Blast https://x.com/lmrankhan/status/1806040646433522149

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Why the Mt. Gox Repayments May Not Hurt the Bitcoin Price Much - Ep. 666 Jun 28, 2024

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Ten and a half years after filing for bankruptcy, Mt. Gox is finally set to disburse 142,000 Bitcoin worth nearly $9 billion to creditors between July and October.

Market concern has been growing over the potential impact on Bitcoin prices, but Alex Thorn, head of research at Galaxy, explains why only a small fraction of those bitcoins will be sold. He also discusses the implications of this redistribution on the market, the potential success of Ethereum ETFs, and the chances of a Solana ETF approval.

Show highlights:

00:00 Intro
02:04 Why Alex estimates the amount of bitcoins that creditors sell will be a tiny fraction of the 142,000 to be repaid
13:35 What market shocks could arise from Mt. Gox creditors receiving billions in Bitcoin, and why he believes Bitcoin Cash is the real wild card
18:18 Whether Ethereum ETFs could be as successful as Bitcoin ETFs in attracting investors
23:06 Whether potential outflows from Grayscale's Ethereum Trust will dampen the excitement around Ethereum ETFs
25:07 How the combination of Mt. Gox repayments, Ethereum ETFs, and German and American government Bitcoin sales might affect crypto prices
27:32 The chances the SEC approves a spot Solana ETF

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Guest

Alex Thorn, head of research at Galaxy
Previous appearance on Unchained: How Much Money Will Flow Into Bitcoin ETFs? Here’s One Projection

Links

Mt. Gox.

Unchained: Crypto Market Sees $300 Million Liquidated as Bitcoin Briefly Drops Below $59,000
CoinDesk: Mt. Gox to Begin Repayments in July

Governments selling:

Unchained: US Government Sends $241 Million in Bitcoin to Coinbase: Arkham
Cointelegraph: German gov’t offloads 900 Bitcoin, 400 BTC sent to Coinbase and Kraken

Solana ETF

Reuters: Investment manager VanEck files to list first spot Solana ETF in US |

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The SEC Ends Its Ethereum 2.0 Investigation, but Staking Isn't in the Clear - Ep. 665 Jun 25, 2024

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Last week, Consensys revealed that the SEC had concluded an investigation into Ethereum 2.0, referring to when Ethereum transitioned from a proof-of-work consensus mechanism to a proof-of-stake one.

In this episode, Laura Brookover, senior counsel & head of litigation and investigations at Consensys, and Sam Enzer, partner at Cahill Gordon & Reindel, explore the implications of this decision on Ether’s status as a commodity versus a security, and why the SEC dropped the pursuit, including whether the shifting political winds played a role. For instance, how much of the decision was influenced by the ETH ETF approvals, Democrats crossing party lines to vote for FIT21 and the repeal of SAB 121, and/or SEC crypto enforcement chief David Hirsch’s resignation?

In this discussion, they also explained why the closure doesn’t necessarily mean that staking, or restaking, is safe from the SEC. Plus, what’s the impact of this closure on the other big crypto cases, such as Coinbase, Kraken, Uniswap, and Ripple?

Show highlights:

02:13 How Consensys managed to get the SEC to reveal that it had concluded its investigation into Ethereum 2.0, and the significance of that move
08:14 The SEC's possible reasoning behind investigating Ethereum after it had switched to proof of stake
15:19 How uncommon is it for the SEC to send a letter concluding an investigation like the one into Ethereum
18:45 Whether recent events around crypto as an election issue, the ETH ETF approvals, votes for FIT21 and the repeal of SAB121, and David Hirsch’s resignation, might be connected to the decision to close this investigation
29:03 Whether the Biden administration has shifted its stance on crypto and whether Gensler should remain as chair
33:24 How the SEC might still go after staking
37:18 Whether restaking, such as pioneered by EigenLayer, is safe from regulatory actions
39:13 Why the SEC might be pursuing different judgments in various jurisdictions for MetaMask and Coinbase Wallet
44:24 What crucial evidence from the closed Ethereum 2.0 investigation could strengthen Coinbase's defense in its ongoing lawsuit
47:58 Why the SEC's aggressive stance on various crypto enforcement actions seems to remain unchanged despite closing the Ethereum 2.0 investigation
52:13 Why Sam and Laura believe Solana should not be considered a security, despite the SEC naming it as such in various crypto cases
58:13 How the SEC’s argument about an “ecosystem” is nonsensical, according to Laura Brookover
01:00:31 What the implications of the closed investigation are for the cases of Kraken and Ripple
01:04:58 What Sam and Laura B. are watching out for in terms of regulation and ongoing legal cases

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Guests:

Laura Brookover, Senior Counsel & Head of Litigation and Investigations at Consensys
Previous appearance on Unchained: Consensys’s Lawsuit Against The SEC: Will It End Gensler's ‘Unlawful Power Grab’?
Sam Enzer, Partner at Cahill Gordon & Reindel
Previous appearances on Unchained:
The Real Reason Why the SEC Might Be Going After Ethereum
How 'a Criminal Choice' Got Sam Bankman-Fried a 25-Year Prison Sentence
Why the SEC’s Case Against Coinbase Is So Significant for Crypto
Why SBF’s Testimony So Far Has Likely Already Doomed Him
Another Bad Week for Sam Bankman-Fried in His Criminal Trial
Why These Lawyers Say It’s Over for SBF-But His Only Hail Mary Is to Testify
SBF Trial: How Sam Bankman-Fried’s Lawyers Might Try and Win His Case
SBF’s Lawyers Could Be Annoying the Judge How Might That Impact the Trial?

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LayerZero Fought the Sybils and Airdropped Its Token. Did the Team Win? - Ep. 664 Jun 21, 2024

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LayerZero’s token claims went live on Thursday, and as with every recent airdrop, there was plenty of controversy.

In this episode, Bryan Pellegrino, cofounder and CEO of LayerZero Labs, joined to discuss their ambitious anti-Sybil campaign and the subsequent token distribution. He delved into the challenges of ensuring genuine user participation, the decision to offer a self-report option for Sybil attackers, and the complexities imposed by industrial-grade farmers. Bryan shared what he would have done differently and why a mandatory donation to Protocol Guild was imposed.

Also, are airdrops dead? How can the industry improve this not-so-effective distribution method?

Show highlights:

00:00 Intro
01:23 Why LayerZero launched an anti-Sybil campaign with its airdrop, and what challenges they faced in ensuring genuine user participation
04:51 Why LayerZero offered a self-report option for Sybil attackers, and how this strategy revealed both the complexities and the creativity within the crypto community
10:16 How the anti-Sybil campaign uncovered over a million fraudulent accounts
14:34 What Bryan would have done differently in their campaign
17:18 What alternative methods, such as KYC and proof-of-humanity protocols, LayerZero could have used for their anti-Sybil campaign
18:35How LayerZero navigated the cat-and-mouse game with industrial airdrop farmers
23:08 Why they decided to impose a donation to Protocol Guild to claim the ZRO token
32:07 What caused the dramatic drop in LayerZero's activity post-announcement of their anti-Sybil campaign, and why the team is optimistic despite the decline
35:23 LayerZero's plans for future airdrops
38:40 What Bryan thinks the future holds for airdrops in crypto, and how the current broken system can be improved to achieve better distribution and user engagement
42:43 Crypto News Recap

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Bryan Pellegrino, cofounder and CEO of LayerZero Labs

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The Chopping Block: VC Tokens, Memecoins & Celebs, and Seasonal Patterns - Ep. 663 Jun 19, 2024

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Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Robert Leshner, and Tarun Chitra explore the latest trends in the crypto world. In this episode, we dive into the impact of celebrity-endorsed memecoins, featuring discussions around Iggy Azalea's 'Mother' token, Waka Flocka Flame's 'Flocka' token, and other celebrities. We debate the broader implications of these phenomena on the crypto market, address criticisms of venture capital's role in crypto, and explore the seasonal nature of crypto trading. Tune in for an in-depth look at how pop culture intersects with cryptocurrency, shaping current market sentiment.

Show highlights

🔹 Seasonality in Crypto: Exploration of the historical seasonal trends in crypto markets and their implications.

🔹 Memecoins & Celebrities: Insightful discussion on the rise of celebrity-launched memecoins and their impact on the crypto world.

🔹 Market Cycles: Exploration of the different phases in market cycles and their effects on asset creation and liquidation.

🔹 VC Funding in Crypto: Examination of the role of venture capital in the crypto ecosystem and its impact on market dynamics.

🔹 VC vs. Liquid Funds: Debate on whether venture capital funds are beneficial or detrimental to the crypto markets.

🔹 Institutional and Retail Adoption: The importance of growing crypto usage among both institutions and retail investors.

Hosts

⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly

⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly

⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate

⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures

Disclosures

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00:00 Intro
01:58 Market Sentiment
07:34 Celebrity Involvement in Crypto
16:00 Celebrity Coins vs Endorsements
25:24 Influencer Economy and Social Tokens
27:41 Legibility and Value of Memecoins
28:37 Crypto Influencers
31:07 VCs vs. Retail
36:50 Future of Crypto Markets
43:53 Institutional vs. Retail Adoption
50:45 Taking on Populist Takes

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