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    Unchained

    Crypto assets and blockchain technology are about to transform every trust-based interaction of our lives, from financial services to identity to the Internet of Things. In this podcast, host Laura Shin, an independent journalist covering all things crypto, talks with industry pioneers about how crypto assets and blockchains will change the way we earn, spend and invest our money. Tune in to find out how Web 3.0, the decentralized web, will revolutionize our world.

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    The Chopping Block: DeSci Critiques, Hyperliquid's No-VC Model, and Freysa’s AI Games- Ep. 742 Dec 01, 2024
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    Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner get together and give the industry insider's perspective on crypto. This week, special guest Casey Caruso from Topology joins the crew to tackle the latest in crypto and tech. They explore the rise of AI memecoins like Freysa, blending gamified AI agents with blockchain mechanics, and the fallout from a major hack. The discussion also highlights Hyperliquid’s $1.9 billion airdrop and its no-VC funding model, signaling new trends in token launches. The crew critiques decentralized science (DeSci), questioning its accountability and funding models, with a spotlight on Pump.Science’s tokenized longevity experiments. Finally, they examine the success of Base’s incentive-light approach and the impact of frameworks like Eliza on crypto’s evolution. Tune in for a dynamic take on innovation, trends, and challenges shaping the crypto world.

    Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Pandora, Castbox, Google Podcasts, TuneIn, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform.


    Show highlights

    🔹 The Rise of AI Memecoins: Exploring the explosive trend of AI memecoins like Freysa, their gamification, and unique mechanics. The crew delves into how these coins combine on-chain activity with AI, creating a new layer of engagement and speculation.

    🔹 Freysa’s AI: A detailed look at how Freysa’s prize pool was jailbroken, the mechanics behind the attack, and what it reveals about the vulnerabilities of AI agents connected to smart contracts.

    🔹 AI Agents and Crypto Innovation: An overview of AI-enabled agents and their crossover into crypto applications, with insights on current limitations, gamification trends, and how AI integrates with Web3 frameworks like Eliza.

    🔹 Airdrop Trends and Hyperliquid: Breaking down Hyperliquid’s $1.9 billion airdrop, its innovative “no VC funding” model, and the market impact of launching into a bull market with a high float percentage.

    🔹 The Decentralized Science Debate: Analyzing the potential and pitfalls of decentralized science (DeSci), including critiques of funding mechanisms, accountability, and the practicality of crowdfunding drug discovery through tokenized models.

    🔹 Base’s Community-Led Success: Examining how Base has attracted top developers and projects without heavy incentive programs, reshaping the playbook for L1 and L2 ecosystems.

    🔹 Pump.Science and Longevity Tokens: A closer look at Pump.Science’s tokenized longevity experiments, the mechanics of its funding model, and the aftermath of its private key leak.

    🔹 Challenges of Token-Based Funding: Comparing decentralized incentive models for projects like DeSci with the successes and lessons learned from DeFi, highlighting the difficulty of creating effective accountability mechanisms.

    🔹 The DAO Debate: Examining the viability of DAOs for deploying funds in high-stakes environments, with skepticism about their long-term effectiveness in innovation.


    Hosts

    ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly

    ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate

    ⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures

    Guest:

    ⭐️Casey Caruso, Founder Topology

    Disclosures


    Timestamps

    • 00:00 Intro
    • 01:24 AI Memecoins & Freysa Challenge
    • 07:07 Open Source Models & Security
    • 21:15 Hyperliquid Airdrop
    • 31:16 Blur vs. Blast Points
    • 37:16 Decentralized Science (DeSci)
    • 40:04 Criticisms of DeSci
    • 48:18 Potential & Future of DeSci

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    Vitalik Buterin Aped Into the Social Media App Anoncast. What's It About? - Ep. 741 Nov 29, 2024
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    Farcaster-based social media app Anoncast has quickly grabbed the crypto community’s attention—especially after Ethereum creator Vitalik Buterin jumped in.

    The platform allows users to speak freely while ensuring no one—not even the platform itself—can trace their identity. And in its short week-and-a-half lifespan, it’s already generated thousands of posts.

    In this lighter, Black Friday edition of Unchained, developer Kartik Patel joins to discuss how Anoncast works and why the platform has taken off so quickly. He shares insights on the challenges of maintaining anonymity in a connected world, how AI intersects with these developments, and what it was like to “nerd-snipe” Buterin.

    Show highlights:

    • What sparked the rise of Anon and how it evolved into a ZK-powered anonymous posting platform
    • Kartik’s favorite casts and what he likes about the platform
    • Why the platform has evolved so quickly
    • How users can make casts
    • How Anoncast completely protects the anonymity of all posters
    • Kartik’s background in crypto and how he came to be involved in Anoncast
    • Why it felt like a “dream” when Vitalik Buterin bought the ANON memecoin
    • How AI is intersecting with this new era of social media
    • Why Anoncast moderates the posts
    • The new feature that was designed to give credit back to users


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    Guest

    • Kartik Patel, developer of Anoncast

    Links

    • Decrypt: Vitalik Buterin Buys Anon, Token Surged 350%—What's It All About?
    • Viral cast possibly about the Ethereum Foundation selling ETH

    Timestamps:

    • 00:00 Intro
    • 01:13 How Anoncast became a ZK-powered anonymous platform
    • 05:02 Kartik’s favorite casts and why they stand out
    • 06:44 Why Anoncast has caught on so quickly
    • 07:32 How Anoncast technically enables anonymous posting
    • 11:40 How anonymity is protected on Anoncast
    • 13:28 Kartik’s story and future plans for app development
    • 15:19 Vitalik Buterin’s surprising interaction with Anoncast
    • 16:56 The role of AI in the new era of social media
    • 20:03 Why Anoncast moderates the posts
    • 21:45 A new feature so users can take credit
    • 23:42 Crypto News Recap

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    What's the Best Way for Ethereum to Grow? Justin Drake and Martin Köppelmann Debate - Ep. 740 Nov 26, 2024
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    Ethereum has been left behind in this bull market. As rivals like Solana gain ground in metrics such as speed, cost, and developer mindshare, questions are being raised about whether Ethereum’s reliance on Layer 2 solutions is the right path forward—or if it needs a more fundamental redesign.

    In this episode, Martin Köppelmann, co-founder of Gnosis, and Justin Drake, researcher at the Ethereum Foundation, discuss the trade-offs of native and based rollups, execution capacity, and Ethereum’s ability to maintain its dominance. They debate how Ethereum should address fragmentation across rollups, whether ETH has strayed from its ultrasound money narrative, and whether its deliberate pace of innovation could make it vulnerable in an increasingly competitive landscape.

    Whose ideas will lead Ethereum out of this dark forest?

    Show highlights:

    • 03:10 Why Justin is so optimistic about pre confirmations and Ethereum scaling its throughput
    • 06:15 Whether Ethereum could reach “maintenance mode” within 5 years
    • 08:20 Whether Ethereum can solve the problem of fragmentation
    • 20:21 The difference between based rollups and native rollups
    • 25:29 Why Martin believes that Ethereum is not building for developers
    • 34:21 What real-time proving is and why it is relevant
    • 37:46 How programmable native rollups could have different business models from Ethereum but the same security
    • 44:51 Why most assets on L2s might not actually be secured by Ethereum
    • 50:24 Whether Ethereum’s consensus layer might see a “clean slate” redesign with the Beam Chain
    • 58:59 Whether Ethereum’s slow pace of change could leave it vulnerable to competition
    • 01:06:55 How Ethereum's shift to rollups and blob data has reshaped its ultrasound money narrative by transforming the primary sources of fee burn

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    Guests:

    • Martin Köppelmann, Co-founder and CEO of Gnosis
    • Previous appearances on Unchained:
    • Are Layer 2s Failing Ethereum? A New Proposal Advocates for Native L2s
    • Given the Sanctions on Tornado Cash, Is Ethereum Censorship Resistant?
    • Justin Drake, Researcher at the Ethereum Foundation
    • Previous appearances on Unchained:
    • Why MEV Will Always Be Controversial
    • Did the Merge Make Ethereum ‘the Most Secure Blockchain in the World’?
    • Can Bitcoin Be Secured Only by Transaction Fees? Two Researchers Sound Off
    • Is ETH on Its Way to Becoming Ultra-Sound Money? Yes, Says Justin Drake

    Links

    • Previous coverage of Unchained on Ethereum layer 2s:
    • ETH Is Down Bad, While Layer 2s Are Ripping. Are L2s Parasitic to Ethereum?
    • Are L2s ‘Parasitic’? Analysis Shows Ethereum Only Gets a Tiny Percentage of Fees
    • Are Solana’s ‘Network Extensions’ Just Like Ethereum’s Layer 2s But by a Different Name?
    • Ethereum Has Had a Banner Year in Most Areas. Except Price.
    • Should Ethereum Layer 2s Urgently Decentralize Their Sequencers?
    • Ethereum Scaling With L2s Has Damaged Its Tokenomics. Is It Possible to Fix It

    Beam Chain:

    • Unchained:Ethereum Researcher Justin Drake Proposes Beam Chain Redesign, but Not All OGs Are Onboard
    • Bankless: You’re Not Bullish Enough! Ethereum Roadmap & Beamchain with Justin Drake

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    Spot Bitcoin ETF Options Are Here. Why You ‘Can’t Overstate’ Their Importance - Ep. 739 Nov 22, 2024
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    On Tuesday, options on BlackRock’s bitcoin ETF, IBIT, launched, seeing $1.9 billion worth of those options changing hands on the first day.

    The launch of these options could mark a turning point for crypto markets, with implications for liquidity, volatility, and institutional adoption.

    Eric Balchunas, senior ETF analyst at Bloomberg, explains why these options are so significant, who they’re designed for, and how they could impact the broader ecosystem.

    Plus, he offers some cautionary advice to bitcoiners, gives insight into whether spot ether etf options are on their way, and discusses the odds of SOL ETFs launching.

    Show highlights:

    • What bitcoin ETF options are and why they are relevant for traders and investors
    • Whether options will reduce the volatility of BTC
    • Why Eric offers caution after seeing bitcoin surging so much recently
    • What Eric thinks about the possibility for Bitcoin ETF options to spark a “gamma squeeze”
    • What type of investors Eric thinks typically trade options
    • Whether regulators treat Bitcoin differently and with prejudice
    • What he would like to see from a new SEC
    • Why IBIT options will likely dominate the market, according to Eric
    • Why Eric was surprised that options on futures ETFs was so low compared to the spot ETFs
    • How the launch of options will affect Deribit, the main exchange for trading options
    • Whether options for ether spot ETFs are coming as well
    • His thoughts on the news that spot SOL ETFs may be moving to the next phase

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    Guest

    • Eric Balchunas, Senior ETF Analyst at Bloomberg
    • Previous appearances on Unchained:
    • Why Spot Ether ETFs Are Now Likely to Be Approved on Thursday
    • How, in 7 Weeks, Bitcoin ETFs Reached Inflows That Took Gold ETFs 3 Years
    • Why Spot Bitcoin ETFs Are Likely to Finally Start Trading on Thursday
    • Will a Spot Bitcoin ETF Finally Get Approved?

    Links

    • Previous coverage of Unchained on bitcoin ETFs options:
    • Why Bitcoin ETF Options Could Unlock Massive Amounts of Capital for Crypto
    • Unchained: Bitcoin Hits New All Time High as IBIT’s First-Day Volume Nears $1.9 Billion


    Timestamps:

    • 00:00 Intro
    • 01:15 Why Bitcoin ETF options are a game-changer for traders
    • 07:35 How options could impact Bitcoin’s volatility
    • 11:38 Eric’s cautionary take after Bitcoin’s recent surge
    • 13:13 Whether price rises will be due to gamma squeezes or a lack of resistance
    • 16:04 Insights into the typical investors trading ETF options
    • 16:58 Perceptions of bias against Bitcoin in traditional markets
    • 18:53 What Eric hopes for under new SEC leadership
    • 20:47 Why IBIT options might dominate the market
    • 23:05 Comparison between futures and spot ETF options
    • 25:20 What IBIT options mean for Deribit’s dominance
    • 28:58 Are ether spot ETF options on the horizon?
    • 29:25 What Eric thinks of the filings for SOL ETFs
    • 32:37 News Recap

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    The Chopping Block: Polymarket CEO raided by FBI, Ethereum’s Beam Chain, and Trump’s Pro-Crypto Agenda feat. Vance Spencer - Ep. 738 Nov 21, 2024
    Show notes

    Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner get together and give the industry insider's perspective on crypto. This week, special guest Vance Spencer of Framework Ventures joins the crew to explore Ethereum’s Beam Chain proposal, a bold yet contentious vision for Ethereum 3.0. With promises of quantum resistance, faster transactions, and decentralized staking, is this five-year roadmap a revolutionary leap or an unachievable ambition? The team dives into the tension between Layer 2s and Ethereum’s base chain, alongside Solana’s growing dominance as a UX benchmark. On the political front, the conversation breaks down Trump’s pro-crypto administration. From speculation around key cabinet picks to the potential establishment of a national Bitcoin reserve, they analyze what this new era could mean for regulation, innovation, and the broader market. Tune in for a lively discussion of the forces shaping Ethereum’s evolution and crypto’s role in America’s future.


    Show highlights

    🔹 Polymarket CEO Raided: The crew discusses the FBI’s raid on Polymarket founder Shayne Coplan following the election, raising questions about politically motivated actions and the future of prediction markets.

    🔹 Trump’s Crypto Administration: Trump’s pro-crypto agenda, including cabinet picks and a proposed Bitcoin strategic reserve, signals a potential shift in U.S. crypto policy.

    🔹 D.O.G.E. and Dogecoin: The Department of Government Efficiency (D.O.G.E.), led by Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, ignites a Dogecoin rally and highlights crypto’s rising cultural impact.

    🔹 Bitcoin’s Surge: Bitcoin hits $94,000, sparking predictions of $250K or more during Trump’s presidency, while the crew debates whether a long-awaited altseason is imminent.

    🔹 Ethereum’s Challenges: Ethereum’s Layer 2 friction and Solana’s growing UX dominance fuel concerns over Ethereum’s long-term competitiveness.

    🔹 Solana and memecoins: Solana’s connection to memecoin markets strengthens its position as a key rival to Ethereum.

    🔹 Crypto Regulation Outlook: The potential for sweeping pro-crypto legislation under Trump’s administration raises hopes for innovation but also risks overexuberance.

    🔹 Ethereum 3.0 Skepticism: The Beam Chain proposal reflects Ethereum’s struggle to balance long-term visions with immediate market pressures, drawing comparisons to Solana’s rapid growth.

    🔹 Future Price Predictions: Vance and the crew share bold price predictions for Bitcoin and Ethereum, exploring the political and technological forces driving market momentum.


    Hosts

    ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly

    ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate

    ⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures

    Guest:

    ⭐️Vance Spencer, Co-Founder Framework Ventures

    Disclosures


    Timestamps

    • 00:00 Intro
    • 01:36 Trump's Election and Market Reactions
    • 03:14 Polymarket CEO FBI Raid
    • 13:37 DOGE or the Department of Government Efficiency?
    • 16:10 Memecoin Meta Update?
    • 23:17 Trump's Pro-Crypto Administration
    • 33:23 Market Sentiments and Predictions
    • 42:00 Ethereum 3.0 and Beam Chain
    • 52:17 Ethereum's Future and Competitors


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    Bits + Bips: Will Rate Cuts and Trump's Policies Spark a Bitcoin Supercycle? - Ep. 737 Nov 20, 2024
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    Bitcoin and SOL are flirting with all time highs, Ethereum is lagging behind, and the next six months could define the trajectory of crypto markets.

    In this episode of Bits + Bips, James Seyffart, Alex Kruger, and guest David Grider unravel the key stories driving the space: What could a meeting between Trump and Coinbase’s Brian Armstrong mean for crypto policy? Could a new Treasury Secretary pick become the industry’s biggest ally? And is Ethereum’s underperformance hiding a major comeback?

    Plus, what crypto categories might be winners in the near future.

    Show highlights:

    What the potential meeting of Trump with Brian Armstrong shows

    • Which pick for the Treasury Secretary position would be most positive for crypto
    • Whether Michael Saylor has been driving the bitcoin market
    • Whether rate cuts are coming in December and what impact it’s having on the markets
    • How tariffs are not as bad as people think, but massive deportation is, according to Alex
    • Why a potential Treasury General Account (TGA) rundown would be bullish for the markets
    • Whether traders will be taking profits at the $90,000 bitcoin level
    • How ETH has been underperforming and why David sees a silver lining
    • How the lack of institutional interest in ETH has changed dramatically since the election
    • Why David is so optimistic about restaking across different ecosystems
    • What the outlook for crypto regulation looks like in the near future and what will benefit the industry
    • Why James believes that we’ll have in-kind creations and redemptions for bitcoin ETFs under new SEC leadership
    • What the future trajectory of bitcoin’s price is and the role of a strategic bitcoin reserve
    • How different categories within crypto will perform in the markets

    Hosts:

    • James Seyffart, Research Analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence
    • Alex Kruger, Founder of Asgard

    Guest:

    • David Grider, Partner at Finality Capital

    Links

    Trump and politics:

    • Unchained:
    • Donald Trump to Meet Coinbase CEO Brian Armstrong: Report
    • Truth Social in Talks to Acquire Crypto Platform Bakkt
    • Who Might Trump Pick for S.E.C. Chair? This Is Who Jay Clayton Hopes to See
    • The Trump-Connected Brad Bondi Is a New SEC Chair Contender and Pro-Crypto
    • A Degen Administration? Why the Crypto Czar May Be Allowed to Own Tokens

    Markets:

    • Unchained:
    • Spot Ether ETFs See Record $515 Million Weekly Inflows
    • Solana dApps See Massive Fees Amid Memecoin Frenzy

    Bitcoin ETF options:

    • Unchained:
    • Bitcoin Hits New All Time High as IBIT’s First-Day Volume Nears $1.9 Billion
    • Why Bitcoin ETF Options Could Unlock Massive Amounts of Capital for Crypto


    Timestamps:

    • 00:00 Intro
    • 02:31 What a Trump-Brian Armstrong meeting means for crypto
    • 07:36 Who could be crypto’s biggest ally as Treasury Secretary
    • 12:43 Is Michael Saylor driving bitcoin’s rally?
    • 14:46 Whether December rate cuts will shake the markets
    • 19:33 Tariffs vs. deportation: What’s worse for crypto?
    • 26:03 Whether a Treasury General Account rundown would be bullish for markets
    • 30:19 Whether traders will take profits at $90K Bitcoin
    • 35:50 Why ether’s underperformance might hide a comeback
    • 47:15 Whether institutional interest in ETH has turned around
    • 51:49 Why David is bullish on restaking across ecosystems
    • 54:09 What’s next for crypto regulation and industry growth
    • 1:06:55 Whether new SEC leadership would greenlight better bitcoin ETF structures
    • 1:09:10 Whether strategic Bitcoin reserves could drive its price higher
    • 1:17:25 Which crypto categories could lead the next rally

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    Are Layer 2s Failing Ethereum? A New Proposal Advocates for Native L2s - Ep. 736 Nov 19, 2024
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    Martin Köppelmann, co-founder of Gnosis, has proposed that Ethereum should have native rollups—a vision aimed at addressing scalability and decentralization.

    Köppelmann critiques the current state of layer 2 solutions, highlighting their limitations in fully inheriting Ethereum’s security and composability.

    He proposes a bold alternative: 128 Ethereum-native rollups designed to expand block space, strengthen alignment with Ethereum’s core principles, and ensure long-term viability for developers and users.

    Plus, Martin tackles the controversies: Are L2s parasitic? Could native rollups spell the end for existing solutions? And why should they rely on zero-knowledge proofs instead of Optimism?

    Show highlights:

    • Whether the Ethereum scaling roadmap is accomplishing its goals
    • Why based rollups are not a full solution, according to Martin
    • What Martin proposes instead
    • Why Martin is proposing these rollups to be ZK-rollups instead of optimistic
    • Whether the proposed solution would focus on privacy
    • What it is about chain abstraction that Martin doesn’t like
    • How he envisions that these native rollups will solve many composability issues across L2s
    • Whether the community has embraced this proposal and how likely it is to be implemented
    • What would happen to current L2s if native rollups get implemented
    • Why despite being against the current state of L2s, Martin says that they are not parasitic to Ethereum

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    Guest:

    • Martin Köppelmann, Co-founder and CEO of Gnosis

    Links

    • Previous coverage of Unchained on Ethereum layer 2s:
    • ETH Is Down Bad, While Layer 2s Are Ripping. Are L2s Parasitic to Ethereum?
    • Are L2s ‘Parasitic’? Analysis Shows Ethereum Only Gets a Tiny Percentage of Fees
    • Are Solana’s ‘Network Extensions’ Just Like Ethereum’s Layer 2s But by a Different Name?
    • Ethereum Has Had a Banner Year in Most Areas. Except Price.
    • Should Ethereum Layer 2s Urgently Decentralize Their Sequencers?
    • Blockworks: Gnosis founder argues Ethereum needs native L2s
    • Martin’s tweet on USDC yields


    Timestamps:

    • 00:00 Intro
    • 01:47 Is Ethereum’s scaling roadmap meeting its goals?
    • 04:07 Why Martin believes based rollups aren’t the full solution
    • 08:11 Martin’s bold proposal for native rollups
    • 12:07 Why ZK-rollups over optimistic rollups
    • 15:56 Whether these rollups should also preserve privacy
    • 17:11 Martin’s issue with chain abstraction
    • 22:35 How native rollups could solve L2 composability problems
    • 26:49 Has the community embraced Martin’s vision?
    • 30:52 What happens to existing L2s if native rollups win
    • 36:06 Whether Martin thinks L2s are parasitic to Ethereum

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    How BlackRock, the World's Largest Asset Manager, Took Crypto Mainstream - Ep. 735 Nov 15, 2024
    Show notes

    BlackRock’s entry into crypto through its bitcoin ETF (and later on the spot ether ETF) has rewritten the record books, driving massive inflows and reshaping the narrative for institutional crypto adoption.

    Robbie Mitchnick, head of digital assets at BlackRock, unpacks the story behind this monumental shift. He shares the journey from skepticism to success, how BlackRock’s ETF has changed the market, and the surprises even he didn’t expect.

    Plus, he explains why he believes people mistake bitcoin for a risk-on asset, what the investment case is for Ethereum, and what’s next for crypto in 2025.

    Show highlights:

    • 01:31 What and who is driving this massive amount of activity in bitcoin trading
    • 05:05 Why Robbie offers some caution about the future of digital asset regulation
    • 08:35 What about crypto captivated Robbie
    • 13:32Whether Robbie was the one who “orange pilled” BlackRock CEO Larry Fink
    • 14:37 Why Robbie thinks that bitcoin is not a risk-on asset
    • 18:08 The backstory of how BlackRock ended up filing for a spot bitcoin ETF
    • 20:15 How inflows into ETFs surprised Robbie, even considering fairly optimistic projections
    • 24:14 Why BlackRock’s clients always ask about bitcoin’s correlation with other assets
    • 27:22 Robbie’s take on the critique that BlackRock could centralize a decentralized ecosystem
    • 29:34 What his thesis is on stablecoins, payments, and tokenization
    • 31:25 The reasons why Ethereum ETFs have not been as successful as bitcoin
    • 34:14 How Robbie pitches the ether ETF to clients
    • 35:26 Why BUIDL is built on Ethereum, a public blockchain, rather than on a private one
    • 36:48 Why DeFi’s potential is “immense,” according to Robbie
    • 41:56 How bitcoin ETF options will impact the behavior of investors
    • 43:57 What features BlackRock would love to see under a new SEC regime
    • 45:32 What it’ll take for regulators to approve staking in ether ETFs
    • 46:33 Why Robbie is not sure which crypto ETFs might come next
    • 48:16 Whether BlackRock will develop proof of reserves for its ETFs
    • 52:21 Robbie’s outlook for the markets in 2025

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    Guest:

    • Robbie Mitchnick, Head of Digital Assets for BlackRock

    Links

    • Previous coverage of Unchained on Bitcoin ETFs:
    • Why Bitcoin ETF Options Could Unlock Massive Amounts of Capital for Crypto
    • How, in 7 Weeks, Bitcoin ETFs Reached Inflows That Took Gold ETFs 3 Years
    • Bitcoin’s Price Is Way Up. And $48 Trillion in Wealth Just Got Access
    • How Small Bitcoin ETF Issuers Will Compete With the Likes of BlackRock
    • Unchained: BlackRock’s Spot Bitcoin ETF Eclipses Firm’s Gold ETF in Net Assets
    • CNBC: BlackRock CEO Larry Fink: I believe bitcoin is a legit financial instrument
    • CoinDesk: BlackRock Sees Sovereign Wealth Funds, Pensions Coming to Bitcoin ETFs
    • Forbes: A Trump U.S. Strategic Bitcoin Reserve ‘Game-Changer’ Is Suddenly Hurtling Toward The Bitcoin Price

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    How Crypto Played the Political Game—and Won 'Bigly' - Ep. 734 Nov 12, 2024
    Show notes

    The 2024 elections have reshaped the future of crypto in Washington. With almost $200 million in donations, the Fairshake Super PAC not only backed pro-crypto candidates but also took bold risks by challenging entrenched incumbents. This strategic gamble appears to have paid off, leading to the most crypto-friendly Congress in U.S. history.

    In this episode, Coinbase’s Faryar Shirzad and Kara Calvert reveal the behind-the-scenes decisions that drove this unprecedented effort, discuss why crypto needs to transcend partisanship, and explain how this election could usher in long-awaited regulatory clarity. They also delve into the global stakes of blockchain adoption and whether the U.S. can reclaim its leadership as other nations surge ahead in Web3 innovation.

    Show highlights:

    • 01:48 The journey of how crypto became so important in this election
    • 04:16 The differences between Fairshake and Stand With Crypto
    • 08:48 How Fairshake decided which candidates to support
    • 12:48 How Washington reacted to the massive influx of money to support pro-crypto candidates
    • 15:51 Why Fairshake stayed out of the Presidential race
    • 18:23 How hard it was for Fairshake to handle its non-partisan stance with both parties
    • 22:32 How the U.S.’s approach to crypto can be compared to how it lost on the cutting-edge technologies of 5G and semiconductors
    • 26:41 What drove the decision to attempt to unseat Sherrod Brown, which ended up giving Sen. Warren more power on the Senate Banking Committee
    • 32:54 Whether Sen. Warren’s anti-crypto stance has been diminished after the elections
    • 35:28 How the industry got past the fiasco of Sam Bankman-Fried and FTX
    • 42:07 Why Faryar believes that “anyone would be an upgrade” from Gary Gensler as Chair of the SEC
    • 46:45 How blockchain technology allows for instant settlements, a feature so needed in capital markets
    • 49:36 What could happen with the SEC’s legal actions against crypto companies now that Gensler will lose his position as SEC chair
    • 53:22 What Faryar and Kara expect the new administration to do around crypto
    • 56:47 How DeFi can be regulated in the U.S. and whether Trump will support the motto “code is free speech”
    • 1:01:37 The perception of Washington insiders about Polymarket
    • 1:04:28 Whether the technology sector will be on the Republican side from now on

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    Guests:

    • Faryar Shirzad, Coinbase Chief Policy Officer
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    Links

    Previous coverage of the elections on the podcast:

    • Under Trump, the First Crypto President, Where Will Markets Go?
    • Bits + Bips: Trump Won and the Question Is: Do You Have Enough Crypto?
    • How Arthur Hayes Has Prepared His Portfolio for the Elections
    • The Chopping Block: 2024 Election Debate feat. Mike Novogratz & Shaun Maguire
    • It’s Not Just the Presidency. Congressional Races Matter a Lot for Crypto


    Unchained:

    • DeFi Tokens Jump on Hopes That Trump Will Provide Crypto Regulatory Clarity
    • What Gary Gensler Could Still Do Against Crypto in His Remaining Days as SEC Chair
    • Elizabeth Warren Will Be the Top Democrat on the Senate Banking Committee
    • Stand With Crypto Says These Races Are Crucial for Crypto. But Why?

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    The Chopping Block: How Prediction Markets Outsmarted the 2024 Election feat. Laura Shin - Ep. 733 Nov 08, 2024
    Show notes

    Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner get together and give the industry insider's perspective on crypto. This week, Laura Shin joins the squad to help break down the aftermath of the 2024 U.S. presidential election and its impact on the crypto landscape. With a new pro-crypto administration on the horizon, they explore what Trump’s stance on blockchain regulation could mean for the industry, from ETFs and stablecoin legislation to the potential of a national Bitcoin reserve. They also dig into the power of prediction markets, which outperformed mainstream media in election coverage, signaling a shift in trust and transparency. From the populist appeal of crypto to the challenges facing a divided Democratic Party, this episode uncovers the political dynamics that could drive innovation or stifle growth in the U.S. crypto market. Expect insights on the forces shaping America’s crypto future and the role of policy in crypto’s place on the global stage.

    Show highlights

    🔹 Prediction markets outpaced mainstream media in calling the 2024 election, marking a shift in how people track election outcomes.

    🔹 Trump’s pro-crypto stance signals potential changes for the industry, from new ETFs to a possible federal Bitcoin reserve.

    🔹 The Democratic Party’s anti-crypto stance highlights a disconnect between progressive values and blockchain innovation.

    🔹 As prediction markets gain popularity, more Americans rely on them over traditional media for real-time election insights.

    🔹 One high-stakes bettor’s multi-million-dollar wager on the election paid off, thanks to a unique strategy involving the "neighbor effect."

    🔹 The Democratic Party’s focus on "woke" issues may have contributed to a historic loss, raising questions about the future of these policies.

    🔹 With pro-crypto Republicans in control, sweeping legislative changes are expected, from stablecoin laws to crypto tax reforms.

    🔹 Crypto’s anti-elite appeal is resonating with populist movements, indicating a potential path for mass adoption.

    🔹 The idea of Bitcoin on the U.S. national balance sheet is gaining traction as a pro-crypto administration takes office.

    🔹 Political choices could propel or stifle America’s standing as a global leader in blockchain innovation and technology.


    Hosts

    ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly

    ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly

    ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate

    ⭐️Laura Shin, journalist, author of ‘The Cryptopians,’ founder and CEO of Unchained

    Disclosures

    Links

    Kamala Harris Shouldn’t Just Embrace Crypto. She Must Help It Flourish by Laura Shin:

    https://time.com/7111315/kamala-harris-crypto-laura-shin-essay/


    How the Trump Whale Correctly Called the Election by Alexander Osipovich

    https://www.wsj.com/finance/how-the-trump-whale-correctly-called-the-election-cb7eef1d


    Timestamps

    • 00:00 Intro
    • 01:17 Election Night Observations
    • 04:32 Polymarket's Role
    • 06:19 French Whale x Neighbor Effect
    • 14:52 Mainstream Media vs. Prediction Markets
    • 25:54 The Future of Prediction Markets
    • 27:26 Crypto and the Democratic Party's Missteps
    • 30:30 Democratic Party's Superiority Complex
    • 31:38 Crypto's Global Impact and Legislation
    • 43:23 Predictions for Crypto's Future in the U.S.
    • 49:47 The Return of Crypto Companies to the U.S.

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