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    Unchained

    Crypto assets and blockchain technology are about to transform every trust-based interaction of our lives, from financial services to identity to the Internet of Things. In this podcast, host Laura Shin, an independent journalist covering all things crypto, talks with industry pioneers about how crypto assets and blockchains will change the way we earn, spend and invest our money. Tune in to find out how Web 3.0, the decentralized web, will revolutionize our world.

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    Is Hunter Biden's $LAPTOP Coin a Scam? He Says the Wallets Prove It Isn't Oct 01, 2026
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    Hunter Biden walks through the $LAPTOP launch, when thin liquidity sent the token to a $317 billion market cap in a minute, and why he says it isn't a scam.

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    — Laura

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    In June, Hunter Biden replied to a small account on X that "fiat is a sham" and the banking class is corrupt. His next move was $LAPTOP, a memecoin he says has the opposite tokenomics of the $TRUMP token.

    Hunter joins Laura Shin to trace his path into crypto, from the UN World Food Programme’s digital wallets for refugees (originally covered on Unchained in 2018) to The Internet of Money. He walks through $LAPTOP's first minutes, when a market maker seeded about $5,000 of liquidity and the token briefly showed a $317 billion market cap, and answers critics who call it a scam.

    He also lays out the token's prediction market burn mechanism, argues the Clarity Act died because the administration wouldn't bend on ethics rules covering the Trump family, and challenges Elizabeth Warren for siding with the banks.


    Host:

    • ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Laura Shin⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, Host / Unchained

    Guest:

    • ⁠⁠⁠⁠Hunter Biden - Artist, Author, and Recovery Advocate

    Timestamps


    🎨 01:26 How a blockchain-related initiative at the UN World Food Programme led Hunter to crypto

    🏛️ 07:34 Why Hunter says most Democrats only know crypto through Trump's 'grift'

    💧 12:47 1inch Aqua: See how LPs back multiple positions with one balance at http://unchainedcrypto.com/go/1inch-yt

    💻 13:46 Why Hunter launched $LAPTOP and what he says went wrong at its debut

    🔍 21:14 Hunter answers critics who call $LAPTOP the scam he accuses Trump of

    🎲 23:52 How $LAPTOP's built-in prediction market burns tokens or funds charity

    ⚖️ 33:35 Hunter's case against World Liberty Financial and the Trump family business

    🗳️ 46:47 Can Democrats revive the Clarity Act if they take back Congress?

    🏦 50:01 Why Hunter can't understand Elizabeth Warren siding with the banks

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    DEX in the City: The Hosts Sign Off With Their Best Advice for Women in Crypto Oct 01, 2026
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    In their final episode on Unchained, Katherine Kirkpatrick Bos, Jessi Brooks, and Vy Le share the advice they give women entering crypto. Plus, Vy on the Senate meeting after FTX.

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    — Laura

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    After more than a year of amplifying women's voices in crypto, DEX in the City is signing off from Unchained, and its hosts skip the week's news to share the advice they give people trying to break into the industry.

    Katherine Kirkpatrick Bos, Jessi Brooks, and Vy Le debate whether lawyers need to be on X, why "getting into crypto" now means learning perps, tokens, and prediction markets at once, and why Katherine believes women in male-dominated rooms have to be the adult in the room.

    Vy recounts breaking down in a Senate office days after FTX collapsed, a story she says she had barely told anyone, and what it taught her about separating the technology from the people who abuse it. Jessi recalls begging the FBI around 2016 to take cases involving terrorists using Bitcoin, a measure of how far the industry has traveled since institutions laughed it off.


    Host:

    • ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Katherine Kirkpatrick Bos⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, Host of DEX in the City and General Counsel of Chainlink

    • ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jessi Brooks⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, General Counsel at Ribbit Capital⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

    • ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Vy Le⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - Co-host of DEX in the City and General Counsel of Veda

    Timestamps

    🎙️ 01:48 Why the hosts are skipping the news for their final episode on Unchained

    🧭 03:25 Jessi's case against 'getting into crypto,' and the debate over X

    ⚖️ 12:15 Why KK tells women in crypto they have to be the adult in the room

    🪞 16:45 Jessi on 'don't lose yourself,' and Vy on why the loudest critics aren't the majority

    💧 23:40 1inch Aqua: Back multiple liquidity positions with the same token balance at http://unchainedcrypto.com/go/1inch-yt

    🌊 24:54 How the hosts keep marching through crypto's roughest stretches

    💔 29:22 Vy on why crypto can't be your whole identity, and her Senate meeting after FTX

    🏰 36:13 The strangest crypto moments: Versailles, a Florida offsite, North Korea

    🙌 45:10 The women and allies the hosts credit for paving the way

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    How Bitget Is Chasing $388 Million in Stolen Funds After a Zero-Day Hack Sep 30, 2026
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    Bitget lost $388 million — and days later, CEO Gracy Chen says scammers posing as a major investment team targeted her.

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    — Laura

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    On September 24, attackers used a zero-day in a third-party security product to slip fraudulent withdrawal commands into Bitget's wallet system, pulling out about $388 million across chains from Ethereum and XRP to Zcash.

    Bitget CEO Gracy Chen joins Laura Shin to reconstruct the attack, from test transfers that stayed under risk thresholds to her team's call to switch wallets back on mid-attack and sweep hot and warm funds into cold storage. She lays out how the exchange's protection fund covered users and why reopened withdrawals showed an early net inflow.

    Then comes the industry response. Tether, Circle, and NEAR Intents froze funds, THORChain declined her request, and only $632K is frozen so far. Chen also describes scammers impersonating an investment firm to target her after the hack. Her case that "permissionless doesn't mean neutral" puts a hard question to DeFi.


    Host:

    • ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Laura Shin⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, Host / Unchained

    Guest:

    • ⁠Gracy Chen - CEO of Bitget

    Timestamps

    🚨 01:50 How attackers used a third-party zero-day to fake withdrawal commands

    ❄️ 07:15 Why Bitget switched wallets back on mid-attack to sweep funds to cold storage

    💧 14:30 1inch Aqua: See how LPs back multiple positions with the same token balance at http://unchainedcrypto.com/go/1inch-sn

    ⛓️ 15:37 Why the hackers were able to transact even after withdrawals were paused

    🧊 19:04 How Tether, Circle, and NEAR Intents froze funds, and why recovery is harder

    🕵️ 24:05 ZachXBT's shift on the Bitget hack and his earlier pump-and-dump claims

    🛡️ 30:01 NEAR Intents vs. THORChain: does permissionless mean neutral?

    💰 41:55 Why Bitget built its protection fund in 2022 and how it covered the loss

    🎭 48:17 How scammers posed as an investment team to target Gracy after the hack

    📈 01:01:32 A net ETH inflow after withdrawals reopened, and whether the IPO is still on

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    Why the Crypto Market Cap Could Reach $50 Trillion This Cycle Sep 25, 2026
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    Ran Neuner argues crypto has finally found product-market fit, and a BlackRock report on AI agents and blockchain rails convinced him the thesis may be much bigger than he thought.

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    — Laura

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    The 10-year Treasury yield just hit its highest level since 2007, and Ran Neuner thinks Scott Bessent will answer by bringing more money to the party. Neuner, founder and CEO of Crypto Banter, makes the case to Laura Shin that this is not just another Bitcoin cycle but crypto's first real bull market.

    His argument rests on two use cases. The first is social trading, which he describes as the world's biggest social network and casino "having a baby," with Hyperliquid and Pump.fun earning millions of dollars a day. The second is AI agents: he cites a study projecting one billion agents by 2029 and a new BlackRock report arguing machine-to-machine payments favor blockchain rails over ACH and card networks.

    They also cover why he calls RWAs magazines moved online, whether AI IPOs will drain crypto liquidity, and why he thinks Zcash may be more useful than Bitcoin. If he's right, his own 7x altcoin projection may prove conservative.


    Host:

    • ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Laura Shin⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, Host / Unchained

    Guest:

    • Ran Neuner - Founder and CEO of Crypto Banter

    Timestamps

    🏦 01:47 Why Ran thinks Bessent is engineering 'the ultimate short squeeze'

    📊 04:45 Why an ETH/BTC breakout signals crypto's first real product-market fit

    🎰 09:35 Social trading: a social network and a casino 'having a baby'

    💧 14:03 1inch Aqua: Back multiple liquidity positions with one wallet balance at http://unchainedcrypto.com/go/1inch-yt

    🤖 15:06 How a billion AI agents could send altcoins far past Bitcoin

    ⏱️ 29:14 Why Ran thinks AI agents will borrow against compute and tell time in blocks

    🌐 37:01 Will AI IPOs drain crypto liquidity? Ran on why AI isn't the dot-com bubble

    🛡️ 40:05 Privacy vs. social trading, and why Ran calls Zcash 'more useful than Bitcoin'

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    Why Kalshi's Timeline Fight Put Its ETH Perp Volume Under a Microscope: Uneasy Money Sep 24, 2026
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    Kalshi's ETH perp did half a billion in volume on $3 million in open interest. Kain and Taylor lay out why that isn't necessarily wash trading. Plus, Austin joins as co-host.

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    Our listener survey takes five minutes, it’s anonymous, and I read the write-in answers myself. Everyone who takes it can enter a drawing for a free year of Unchained Premium or Bits + Bips Premium. Open through Sunday, October 18.

    — Laura

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    Kalshi's ETH perpetual futures market logged half a billion dollars in 24-hour volume on just $3 million in open interest, and after its crypto hires picked a fight on the timeline, an analyst pulled the public data and alleged wash trading.

    Kain Warwick and Taylor Monahan argue that paid market makers are a likelier explanation than a back room of bots. Austin Griffith, in his first episode as a regular co-host, asks whether all that liquidity actually helps a prediction market find the truth.

    The hosts also cover Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent's warning that AI labs answer for their agents, Taylor's Tornado Cash parallel, Anthropic's new wet lab, Amazon blocking Meta's Muse assistant, and Jev, a classifier model that decides in 200 milliseconds.

    Plus, Zcash around $1,500 and why NEAR suddenly has people paying attention. As Kain puts it, a new model is dropping nearly every day, and keeping up now takes agents of its own.


    Hosts:

    • ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Kain Warwick⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - Host of Uneasy Money and Founder of Infinex and Synthetix

    • ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Taylor Monahan⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - Co-host of Uneasy Money and Security Expert

    • ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Austin Griffith - Co-host of Uneasy Money and Builder Enablement at Ethereum Foundation

    Timestamps

    🎲 02:32 How Kalshi's crypto hires started a timeline war over its perp volume

    🤝 07:28 Why Kain suspects paid market makers, not wash trading, are behind the volume

    🔎 09:59 Austin asks whether any of this liquidity helps markets find the truth

    📚 21:41 What the price of Google teaches about liquidity and trusting a market

    💧 28:14 1inch Aqua: Back multiple liquidity positions with one wallet balance at http://unchainedcrypto.com/go/1inch-yt

    🏛️ 30:59 Scott Bessent told AI labs they're responsible for what their agents do

    ⚖️ 34:20 Taylor on the Tornado Cash parallel: which humans answer for autonomous code?

    🛒 42:48 Why Amazon blocked Meta's Muse assistant from shopping on its site

    ⚡ 47:29 Jev: the model that makes decisions in 200 milliseconds without talking

    🔒 1:00:33 Zcash around $1,500 and why NEAR has people paying attention again

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    Bits + Bips: Is Bitcoin Finally Being Priced on Fundamentals? Sep 23, 2026
    Show notes

    📢 Bits + Bips has its own channel now — full episodes here: https://www.youtube.com/@Bitsandbips

    • Quick favor: We're deciding what Unchained does next; new shows, stream times, what's worth paying for. Our listener survey takes five minutes, it's anonymous, and I read the write-in answers myself. Everyone who takes it can enter a drawing for a free year of Unchained Premium or Bits + Bips Premium. Open through Sunday, October 18.

    — Laura


    When the Clarity Act stalled in Congress, the shorts expected Bitcoin to break. It dipped to $75,000 and stopped. Then came the surprise that the bill might pass after all, and Bitcoin closed its first weekly candle above its 50-week moving average in 45 weeks.

    Ram Ahluwalia calls it a short squeeze, and says that doesn't make it illegitimate. Chris Perkins sees a regime change, with institutions now underwriting crypto on fundamentals. Austin Campbell asks what happens if US retail, still missing from the Coinbase premium, shows up too.


    Hosts:

    • Austin Campbell - Host of Bits + Bips, Founder of Zero Knowledge Group, and Adjunct Professor at NYU Stern - https://x.com/austincampbell

    • Ram Ahluwalia - Co-host of Bits + Bips and CEO of Lumida - https://x.com/ramahluwalia

    • Chris Perkins - Co-host of Bits + Bips and Head of Franklin Crypto - https://x.com/perkinscr97

    This segment is from a longer conversation on Bitcoin, the Fed, a $30 trillion debt pile, and Meta's new AI agent. Full episode here: https://youtu.be/r2Z9ooMTcZ0?si=-mncR-xhm7kUM507

    We go live every Monday - subscribe to catch it live.

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    Chapters:

    📊 00:34 Bitcoin's 50-week reclaim: the bull case and the bear case laid out

    🐻 03:51 Why Ram thinks it's a short squeeze, and why that doesn't make it illegitimate

    🔄 05:14 Why Chris thinks this is a regime change toward fundamentals

    ⚖️ 07:31 Austin on how Clarity's failure invalidated the short case

    👀 12:26 Why retail hasn't shown up yet, and what happens if it does

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    How Zcash and NEAR Are Driving This Crypto Bull Run Sep 23, 2026
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    Zcash and NEAR are both ripping this week, and Illia Polosukhin and Mert Mumtaz say privacy is the reason why. Is this how the “Bitcoin DeFi” vision comes true?

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    — Laura

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    Zcash just cracked the top 10 on CoinGecko, up 32% in a week and near an all-time high. NEAR is up 69% over the same stretch, and both rallies trace back to the same catalyst: transactions nobody else can see.

    Illia Polosukhin, co-founder of NEAR Protocol, and Mert Mumtaz, co-founder and CEO of Helius, join Laura Shin to unpack why confidential transactions, not speculation, are driving the rally, and why the two networks now function as one privacy-preserving liquidity layer for real businesses and institutions, not just traders.

    They cover NEAR Intents' $260 million in TVL, the multi-party computation and secure enclaves behind NEAR's confidential balances versus Zcash's zero-knowledge shielded pool, the counterfeiting bug that forced Zcash's Ironwood migration, and NEAR's Shield system, which halted transactions mid-hack during a Litecoin exploit. Zcash's next upgrade, Project Tachyon, aims to make the network quantum-proof and scale it 100x, and Mert argues privacy will not stay a competitive edge for long.


    Host:

    • ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Laura Shin⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, Host / Unchained

    Guest:

    • ⁠Illia Polosukhin - Co-Founder of NEAR Protocol

    • ⁠Mert Mumtaz - Cofounder and CEO of Helius

    Timestamps

    🚀 01:39 Guest intros, plus why ZEC (+32%) and NEAR (+69%) are ripping this week

    🌐 03:13 Illia and Mert on why NEAR and ZEC's price action is turning heads

    🟠 08:34 Is Zcash and NEAR the Bitcoin DeFi dream, minus Bitcoin?

    🕵️ 11:54 Why coffee-shop-level balance visibility is a real business risk

    ✈️ 15:06 Mert's travel hack: booking flights and hotels privately via NEAR Intents

    🧠 18:12 Why privacy is a retention tool first, not just an onboarding one

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    🔐 26:23 Privacy vs confidentiality: ZK proofs versus NEAR's MPC-and-enclave model

    🛡️ 29:26 Inside NEAR's secure enclaves, and why store-of-value needs real privacy

    🔄 33:59 How a NEAR Intents swap settles across chains, and its $206 million in TVL

    🐛 39:09 The Zcash counterfeit bug, the Ironwood migration, and formal verification

    🤖 45:49 How NEAR's Shield AI system and MPC guardrails manage solver risk

    ⚡ 51:33 Zcash's NU7 upgrade: faster blocks, quantum-proofing, and private voting

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    Crypto's Clarity Act Collapses. Two Days Later, the SEC Introduces Its Innovation Exemption Sep 18, 2026
    Show notes

    Days after Clarity failed, the SEC granted a major exemption for tokenized stocks. The Digital Chamber’s Cody Carbone explains whether agencies can replace the law.

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    The Clarity Act failed its cloture vote this week, with every Senate Democrat voting no and sinking crypto's biggest legislative shot in years.

    Cody Carbone, CEO of the Digital Chamber, joins Laura Shin to unpack what killed the bill: an ethics fight over Trump's blind trust and digital-asset dealings, stablecoin-reward limits the banks wouldn't accept, and a Blockchain Regulatory Certainty Act rewrite that stripped noncustodial developers of criminal-liability protection. Carbone argues Democrats rejected 80% of their own ethics demands rather than hand Republicans a win, and traces how crypto PAC money and the threat of Maxine Waters chairing House Financial Services shape what happens next.

    Two days after Clarity died, the SEC granted an innovation exemption for tokenized stock trading, and Carbone says the SEC and CFTC are about to unleash years of rulemaking with or without Congress. The question now is whether that agency-driven momentum outlasts the next hostile administration, or gets undone with a single signature.


    Host:

    • ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Laura Shin⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, Host / Unchained

    Guest:

    • Cody Carbone - CEO of The Digital Chamber

    Timestamps

    🏛️ 01:18 Why the Clarity Act's cloture vote failed: 'politics beat policy'

    ⚖️ 02:38 Scoring Trump's corruption against Nixon and Suharto fuels the ethics fight

    🗳️ 06:51 Election pressure: a lame duck vote and crypto PAC money's next targets

    🏦 11:57 Why Cody blames the banks' stablecoin rewards fight for killing Clarity

    🌊 14:35 1inch Aqua: See how LPs back multiple positions with one token balance at http://unchainedcrypto.com/go/1inch-yt

    📜 15:23 The SEC's new innovation exemption for tokenized stock venues

    🔓 18:28 Could 2 years of SEC and CFTC rulemaking replace a crypto law?

    🧩 23:20 Why regulators are staying silent on synthetic stock tokens

    🤝 26:46 What's left to negotiate: developer liability and stablecoin yield

    🔮 31:14 Is the lame duck Clarity's last shot, or could agency rules become permanent?

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    Uneasy Money: What Crypto's Gensler Years Say About the AI Slowdown Debate Sep 17, 2026
    Show notes

    Delphi Ventures founding partner Tommy Shaughnessy tells Kain and Taylor the AI slowdown talk is a moat against cheap Chinese models. Plus, why the Clarity Act died.

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    The Clarity Act failed a Senate cloture vote 49 to 50, and Kain Warwick and Taylor Monahan open by asking what crypto did wrong. Taylor thinks the Trump family's memecoins and World Liberty sank it. Kain worries the industry squandered its best shot at actual laws and is now counting on friendly SEC rulemaking instead.

    Guest Tommy Shaughnessy, founding partner of Delphi Ventures, argues that OpenAI and Anthropic's calls to slow AI down are a play for a regulatory moat, because Chinese open source models like DeepSeek are getting good and cheap. He also explains why he runs Delphi Ventures on its own AI agent instead of handing its data to Claude or ChatGPT. Kain says the fear inside the labs is genuine, and that the idea of simply shutting down the data center won't hold forever.

    They also cover Anthropic's report on a Chinese surveillance operation that surfaced in its logs, an $8M exploit of a Safe wallet that a 4-year-old yoink bot frontran, the SDNY charges against Robinhood engineers accused of trading tokens on Hyperliquid ahead of Robinhood listings, and why Wyoming's stable token dropped LayerZero for Chainlink.


    Hosts:

    • ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Kain Warwick⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - Host of Uneasy Money and Founder of Infinex and Synthetix

    • ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Taylor Monahan⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ - Co-host of Uneasy Money and Security Expert

    Guest:

    • ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Tommy Shaughnessy - Founding Partner of Delphi Ventures and Co-Founder of Delphi Digital

    Timestamps

    🏛️ 02:35 Why Clarity died without 50 votes and what SEC/CFTC rules might replace it

    🇺🇸 19:06 Why crypto's all-in bet on Trump has Taylor uneasy about the partisan trade

    💧 23:20 1inch: Back multiple liquidity positions and keep your tokens in your wallet until a swap fills at http://unchainedcrypto.com/go/1inch-yt

    🤖 24:08 Why OpenAI and Anthropic's own founders are calling to slow AI down

    🐉 31:12 Tommy on why AI safety talk is regulatory capture against Chinese open source

    🕵️ 38:17 Anthropic's own report: how a CCP surveillance job showed up in its logs

    💰 51:42 Would you bet on AI safety or acceleration? Tommy makes the hosts pick a side

    🔓 56:56 How an $8M Safe exploit got frontrun by a 4-year-old yoink bot

    📈 01:01:46 Why the SDNY charged Robinhood engineers with trading on Hyperliquid ahead of listings

    ⚔️ 01:05:27 Why Wyoming dropping LayerZero for Chainlink reignited the Link Marines

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    The Chopping Block: CLARITY Dies on the Senate Floor, Hunter Biden's LAPTOP Rug, & the AI Pause Pact Sep 17, 2026
    Show notes

    The boys get together in person as CLARITY falls short with 47 votes. They break down what comes next, Hunter Biden’s LAPTOP token collapse, the Robinhood/Hyperliquid case, Balancer winding down, and the debate over an AI pause.


    The CLARITY Act fails cloture with 47 votes, not a single Democrat in favor, and the crew works out what that leaves behind: rulemaking at the SEC and CFTC, an ethics fight that was never really about market structure, and Robert's tally of everyone who walked away with nothing. Then Hunter Biden's LAPTOP token collapses 99.85 percent, the SDNY indicts two Robinhood engineers over Hyperliquid front-running, Balancer and a wave of exchanges wind down, Robert explains why Satoshi is a time traveler, and the panel takes apart the labs' agreement to pace the frontier.

    Listen to the episode on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pods, Fountain, Podcast Addict, Pocket Casts, Amazon Music, or on your favorite podcast platform.


    Show highlights

    🔹 CLARITY gets 47 of the 60 votes it needed, with no Democrats in favor, and the sticking point was forced divestiture of Trump-affiliated tokens rather than market structure.

    🔹 Robert tallies the losers: no ethics win for the Democrats, no GENIUS rewrite for the banks, no expanded AML hooks, and no developer protections for anyone.

    🔹 Haseeb argues adoption protects crypto better than legislation ever will, because nobody takes away a product people already use.

    🔹 Prediction markets are politically safe for a reason nobody says out loud: every politician already reads them as better polling data.

    🔹 Tom's counterfactual for what would have flipped the vote is blunt. You never should have launched that damn memecoin.

    🔹 Hunter Biden's LAPTOP token flashes to a 140 billion dollar valuation on 50,000 dollars of liquidity, then falls to twenty cents, and the chart ends up shaped like a laptop.

    🔹 Two Robinhood engineers are charged over front-running crypto listings on Hyperliquid for about 50,000 dollars each, and Haseeb explains why the OpenSea conviction got overturned.

    🔹 Balancer winds down and the panel asks what became of the ICO treasuries, from Golem's GPUs to Aragon's founder building a neobank.

    🔹 Robert makes the case, half in jest, that a future superintelligence sent Satoshi back to 2008 to get humanity building chips early.

    🔹 On the AI pause: Tarun on who evaluates the evaluators, Tom on why coordination without China is futile, and Haseeb on why a training freeze just moves the competition to another line item.


    Hosts

    ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly

    ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly

    ⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures

    ⭐️Robert Leshner, Founder & CEO of Superstate


    Disclosures


    Timestamps

    00:00 Intro

    00:43 CLARITY day

    03:36 Silver linings

    05:26 Was it close? Or did everybody loose?

    12:23 Why adoption protects crypto better than a bill

    15:00 Was DC trading on the CLARITY odds?

    18:37 The one thing they would go back & undo

    20:48 Hunter Biden's LAPTOP token collapses

    23:50 Celeb coins never work

    26:17 Robinhood engineers indicted over Hyperliquid front-running

    31:35 Balancer winds down & the exchange shakeout

    35:11 AI arbitration & ideas ahead of their time

    37:44 Satoshi is a time traveler

    39:14 The AI pause: pacing the frontier

    42:57 China calls it a conspiracy

    44:40 What do you buy if the doomers are right

    45:50 Does an AI pause actually cut CapEx?

    50:32 Futile without the Chinese labs

    54:05 Harden society instead of slowing the models

    56:47 Which doom vectors are real


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