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    Two Sides of FI

    You’re listening to Two Sides of FI, a conversation between two lifelong friends about financial independence – what it takes to get there and what comes after. One of us reached FI in 2020, the other in 2024. We started this show to document our different paths, and now that we’re both post-FI, we’re still figuring out how to use the freedom we spent years working toward. I’m Eric and I’m joined by my friend Jason, and this is our story.

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    How Much Can You Really Spend in Retirement? Jun 29, 2025
    Show notes

    In Part 5 of our SWR Toolbox series, we answer your questions about our CAPE-based withdrawal strategy, how it compares to a fixed safe withdrawal rate approach, and much more. See the link below for all of our toolbox videos including tutorials and a host of supportive content in the show notes.

    FREE SWR tool and show notes: https://twosidesoffi.com/toolbox


    Are We Hiding Something? Our Real FIRE Portfolio + Expenses Jun 15, 2025
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    Are FIRE content creators being honest about their numbers? YouTuber Duane isn't so sure. In this episode, Eric and Jason share detailed insights about their own FIRE numbers, portfolios, withdrawal rates, and what it actually means to be "retired." They also explain why context matters more than a single number, and get honest about how content creation fits into their financial picture. If you've ever wondered how real people make FIRE work, this one’s for you.

    Show notes: https://twosidesoffi.com/numbers


    Our Biggest Fears About Early Retirement Jun 01, 2025
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    What’s the scariest part of retiring early? For many, it's not just about money—it's the unknowns that come after leaving work behind. In this candid conversation, Eric and Jason unpack the biggest fears they and others faced on the path to FIRE, from financial worries and healthcare to identity shifts and societal judgment. Whether you're planning your own early retirement or already there, this episode will help you feel less alone and more prepared.

    Show notes: https://twosidesoffi.com/fears


    Life After FIRE: Your Toughest Questions, Answered May 18, 2025
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    After five years of early retirement and 100 episodes of Two Sides of FI, what have we learned? A lot—and we're sharing it all. To mark this milestone, Eric and Jason sit down for an honest, wide-ranging AMA based on questions from our community. We cover everything from money and mindset shifts to healthcare, travel, and even music choices. Whether you're already on your FIRE path or just curious what life really looks like on the other side, this conversation is for you.

    Show notes: https://twosidesoffi.com/episode100


    2025 Market Chaos Blowing up our FIRE Plans? May 04, 2025
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    With markets down at one point nearly 20% in 2025, is this the sequence risk moment we feared? In this episode, we reflect on recent market volatility, how it’s impacted our early retirement finances, and whether our original FIRE strategy can still hold up. We also catch up post-Liberation Day and share how our thinking has evolved after real-world stress testing our withdrawal plan. If you're navigating FIRE in 2025—or just wondering what a 20% portfolio loss feels like—this one's for you.

    Show notes: https://twosidesoffi.com/chaos


    What Should We Do With Bonds and Cash in a Crazy Market? Apr 27, 2025
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    How should you respond to market conditions to ensure financial stability? Like the famous Mike Tyson quote says, "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth". In this episode, Eric talks with Jason about an unexpected opportunity to update his early retirement portfolio. Topics discussed include bond and cash allocations, asset location, and what they're doing to manage extreme market volatility.

    Show notes: https://twosidesoffi.com/bonds


    It's Harder to Retire Than I Expected Mar 09, 2025
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    Do some find it hard to retire because they don't know how to stop working? In today's episode, Eric talks with Jason about the challenges he's experienced after achieving FI, finding it hard to ramp down his business. Are we just wired to work hard or is there more to it? We discuss why Eric can't stop working, how it affects his spouse, and what Jason has learned in his five years of RE.

    Show notes: https://twosidesoffi.com/crisis


    How We're Using ProjectionLab in (Early) Retirement Feb 23, 2025
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    Why has ProjectionLab quickly become one of the most popular early retirement planning tools? In this episode, learn why PL is an essential software package for both Eric and Jason. Topics covered include how to get started, best practices, and powerful new features. See the link below for how you can try ProjectionLab for free!

    Check out ProjectionLab for free: https://twosidesoffi.com/pl

    Show notes: https://twosidesoffi.com/projectionlab


    Are You on Track? Our 2024 Financial Review Feb 09, 2025
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    What are the critical financial elements to track and review each year pre- and post-FI? In this episode, Eric and Jason share their processes and learnings from their 2024 annual review. Topics covered include tracking net worth and withdrawal rate, portfolio management, taxes, and much more.

    Show notes: https://twosidesoffi.com/2024review


    How Do I Know When I'm Ready to Retire? Jan 19, 2025
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    How do you know when it's the right time to retire? Most on the FIRE path focus on the financial elements because in essence, they're the easiest part of the equation. But many people struggle with the emotional elements of the decision. In this episode, Jason and Eric talk about their own experiences and what they've found most challenging.

    Show notes: https://twosidesoffi.com/whentoretire


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