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    Trust & Influence in B2B

    I’m Joel Harrison, founder of B2B Marketing.net (formerly B2B Marketing magazine) Propolis and the B2B Marketing Awards. It’s been my mission for the past 21 years to recognise, celebrate and evangelise for the amazing profession that is B2B marketing, which has evolved beyond that recognition in that time.
    In this podcast, I’ll be exploring what I believe is the biggest challenge facing B2B marketers today: Trust.
    Buyers have always been cynical, hard to reach and even harder to convince, and increasingly expect to be self-directed in their research. In other words, they only want to engage with you on their terms. As if that wasn’t bad enough, media and content channels are fragmented whilst AI is opening the floodgates to a tidalwave of content of questionable quality and veracity. It all adds up to a crisis of trust in B2B.
    In this podcast, I’ll be interviewing innovative and inspirational marketers in the front line of addressing this challenge, providing deep insights into the context of this challenge, exploring new insights about its implications and looking at real world solutions and success stories.
    I’ll be exploring this topic from every relevant angle and perspective, but I’m going to focus particularly on thought leadership, influencer marketing and advocacy as they have particular relevance to this challenge.

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    Building trust through thought leadership - how Circana turns data into strategic conversations Mar 05, 2025
    Show notes

    For B2B businesses seeking to rise above commodity status and establish themselves as strategic partners, thought leadership has become an essential capability. But what separates truly impactful thought leadership from the flood of content that overwhelms decision-makers daily?

    In a recent episode of the Trust and Influence in B2B podcast, host Joel Harrison spoke with Ananda Roy, VP of Thought Leadership at Circana—a market research powerhouse formed from the merger of IRI Worldwide and NPD that recently won gold in the thought leadership category at the 2024 B2B Marketing Awards. Their conversation revealed how thought leadership can evolve from marketing activity to strategic business function.

    Thought Leadership as Strategic Function

    Unlike many organizations where thought leadership operates as a marketing subfunction, Circana positions it as a core strategic capability with representation at the executive level.

    "I get the feeling that I'm an outlier," notes Roy about his senior position. "You don't necessarily see the leaders of thought leadership practices getting a seat at the strategy table. Thought leadership is pretty much central to what we do in our advisory role with our clients."

    This positioning reflects Circana's broader objective: transitioning from data provider to strategic growth advisor for its 7,000+ global clients across consumer goods, retail, technology and other sectors.

    Beyond data dumping

    Despite analyzing $4 trillion of retail sales data annually and investing $500 million in AI capabilities over six years, Circana recognizes that data alone doesn't drive decisions.

    "Data is increasingly becoming a commodity," Roy explains. "It's really what you do with it that is the difference between success and significant impact on client behavior."

    The company's award-winning approach transforms their comprehensive "Demand Signals" report from dense data into story-driven, commercially relevant insights. Instead of overwhelming executives with statistics, they provide "tools for thinking" and strategic options that inform decision-making.

    The Three-Question Framework

    Roy shared the elegantly simple framework guiding their thought leadership strategy:

    1. What are the big business questions clients are grappling with, and do we have answers?
    2. Where do clients go when seeking these answers?
    3. Wherever they go, are we the easiest to find?

    This approach ensures their content appears precisely where decision-makers look for guidance on pressing business challenges.

    Measuring Success Beyond Leads

    While traditional thought leadership often struggles with ROI measurement, Circana takes a more sophisticated view of success:

    • Invitations to bid opportunities previously closed to them
    • Ability to command premium pricing
    • Successful negotiations despite competitive disadvantages
    • Establishment of domain authority (their content generated 2.1 billion views and engagements)
    • Expanded access across client organizations

    "We don't attribute sales directly to thought leadership," Roy notes. "But when we are invited to bids where Circana would not have been otherwise invited, where we are able to justify a premium on our fees... those are the areas where thought leadership is one among many enablers towards a decision."

    Building Trust in an Era of Data Skepticism

    With growing concerns about data veracity and AI biases, establishing trust has become increasingly critical. Circana builds credibility through:

    • Evidence-based, independent viewpoints
    • Creative, accessible presentation of complex data
    • Team-based approach rather than individual "guru" voices
    • Cross-functional relevance that extends beyond insights teams

    "We are not flash-in-the-pan data analysts," Roy emphasizes. "We take great pleasure in the fact that we get invited again and again to those meetings."

    Looking Forward

    In 2025, Circana will focus on demonstrating practical AI applications while highlighting potential model biases. They'll also reexamine category assumptions around pricing and media relationships disrupted by recent economic shifts.

    Key Takeaways for B2B Marketers

    Roy offers several insights for marketers looking to elevate their thought leadership:

    Listen before leading: Understanding stakeholder challenges precedes offering solutions

    Prioritize evidence: Ground perspectives in solid data and analysis

    Connect emotionally: Engage audiences beyond intellectual understanding

    Remain authentic: "Be interesting, don't take yourself too seriously"

    For B2B companies seeking to transcend commodity status, Circana's approach demonstrates how thought leadership can become a strategic business asset that builds trust, establishes authority, and drives commercial success beyond what traditional marketing alone can achieve.


    The trust crisis in B2B - insights from Edelman's Trust Barometer report Feb 27, 2025
    Show notes

    In this first episode of the Trust & Influence in B2B podcast, host Joel Harrison speaks with Andrew Mildren, Managing Director of Edelman Business Marketing for EMEA about the agency's 2025 Trust Barometer report, which is an indepth evaluation of the state of trust in society and has compelling implications for B2B marketers. Edelman is one of the world's largest integrated communications agencies and has established itself as a leading authority on thought leadership and trust in business. With decades of experience working with major brands like Shell, Microsoft, and Samsung, Andrew shares valuable insights on how B2B companies can leverage thought leadership to build trust and drive business growth.

    Topics Covered

    • The six key components of effective thought leadership: white space, relevance, vision, trust, brevity, and attribution
    • How businesses can measure and demonstrate ROI from thought leadership initiatives
    • The impact of AI on content quality and the growing importance of credibility
    • Why businesses are currently more trusted than government, media, and NGOs
    • Edelman's approach to B2B marketing and the evolution of thought leadership
    • Case studies of successful thought leadership campaigns, including DP World's "Move to Minus 15" initiative and Halion's Health Inclusivity Index

    Key Conclusions

    1. Trust as Business Currency: Trust functions as the fundamental currency of B2B relationships. As Andrew notes, "Trust is what helps you get invited to bid more often. It's what helps you close deals, helps you cross and upsell, helps you charge a better margin for your products and services." Well-executed thought leadership is one of the most effective tools for building this trust.
    2. Thought Leadership's Evolving Measurement: While many companies struggle to measure thought leadership effectiveness (only 30% link sales leads to specific content), those who implement proper measurement see "double digit differences" in both brand impact and sales performance. This includes improved ability to break into new markets, define new categories, and reach new buyers.
    3. Business as Trust Leader: In today's polarized environment, businesses have emerged as one of society's most trusted voices. This presents a significant opportunity for companies to fill the trust vacuum through authentic, purposeful thought leadership that addresses real challenges faced by their audiences.

    For more insights on building trust through thought leadership, download Edelman's latest Trust Barometer and Thought Leadership Impact Study, and subscribe to the Trust and Influence in B2B Marketing podcast for future episodes exploring this critical topic.


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