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    True Crime

    True Crime Conversations

    True Crime Conversations explores the world’s most notorious crimes by speaking to the people who know the most about them. Hosted by Gemma Bath.

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    The Weeping Woman Dec 22, 2021
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    It’s an unusual place to start a true crime story - at the National Gallery of Victoria in 1985.

    The director of the gallery, a man named Patrick McCaughey, purchases a single painting for $1.6 million. Due to currency fluctuations, the cost increases to $2 million, the most expensive purchase ever made by an Australian gallery. The painting is by Pablo Picasso, titled The Weeping Woman. The work represents suffering - oddly fitting for the story that was about to unfold.

    Also oddly fitting is the statement made by McCaughey upon announcing the purchase. He said of the Weeping Woman: “This face is going to haunt Melbourne for the next 100 years.”

    And haunt Melbourne it did.

    CREDITS

    Host: Jessie Stephens

    Guest: Marc Fennell, host of FRAMED

    Producer: Gia Moylan

    Audio Producer: Ian Camilleri

    Beyond Blue: 1300 22 4636 | beyondblue.org.au

    Lifeline: 13 11 14 | lifeline.org.au

    CONTACT US

    Tell us what you think of the show via email at truecrime@mamamia.com.au

    Join our closed Facebook community to discuss this episode. Just search True Crime Conversations on Facebook or follow this link https://bit.ly/tcc-group

    If any of the contents in this episode have caused distress, know that there is help available via Lifeline on 13 11 14 or Beyond Blue on 1300 22 4636

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

    Just by reading or listening to our content, you’re helping to fund girls in schools in some of the most disadvantaged countries in the world - through our partnership with Room to Read. We’re currently funding 300 girls in school every day and our aim is to get to 1,000. Find out more about Mamamia at mamamia.com.au

    Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

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    An Eerie Silence: Inside A Hospital On 9/11 Dec 15, 2021
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    A plane colliding with the South Tower at 9:59am, on September 11, 2001, would become the first terror attack watched in real-time by millions of people around the world. News anchors struggled to maintain composure. New York, and more broadly, the United States, was under attack.

    The north tower continued to burn. Images and video footage were broadcast on every news channel. For a generation, those images would become imprinted on our psyches. We watched as the buildings collapsed, thousands of people still inside them.

    In a nearby hospital, stood an Australian woman named Liz. For her, it was an otherwise normal day at work. That all changed when she heard an emergency siren.

    CREDITS

    Host: Jessie Stephens

    Producer: Gia Moylan

    Audio Producer: Ian Camilleri

    CONTACT US

    Tell us what you think of the show via email at truecrime@mamamia.com.au

    Join our closed Facebook community to discuss this episode. Just search True Crime Conversations on Facebook or follow this link https://bit.ly/tcc-group

    If any of the contents in this episode have caused distress, know that there is help available via Lifeline on 13 11 14 or Beyond Blue on 1300 22 4636

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

    Just by reading or listening to our content, you’re helping to fund girls in schools in some of the most disadvantaged countries in the world - through our partnership with Room to Read. We’re currently funding 300 girls in school every day and our aim is to get to 1,000. Find out more about Mamamia at mamamia.com.au

    Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.


    The Most Critical 17 Minutes Of 9/11 Dec 08, 2021
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    It’s a clear, still Tuesday morning in New York City. The autumn sky is bright blue and the two World Trade Centres mark the highest points of the Manhattan skyline.

    At 8:30am the business district is bustling. Workers are making their way into elevators or stopping for a quick coffee. Their minds are on their morning meeting or the kids they just dropped off at school. Most don’t notice the plane flying too low, far too low, until they hear it. A terrible sound pierces through one of the biggest cities in the world, as a passenger plane flies directly into the north tower. Within minutes, the story will go live across the globe.

    What they don’t know is that in 17 minutes, a second plane will collide with the south tower. This isn’t an accident. It’s an attack.

    On September 11, 2001, 2,976 people were killed as a result of four hijacked commercial airliners. Two crashed into the World Trade Centers, a third targeted the Pentagon, with a fourth aiming for the U.S. Capitol building but brought down in a field by several brave passengers.

    Five men have been charged with these acts of terrorism, and the case is the largest criminal prosecution in U.S. history in terms of the number of victims.

    But this episode is not about the men responsible.

    It’s about how that day truly unfolded, and the nearly 3000 victims who did not know those early hours of September 11 would be their last.

    CREDITS

    Guest: Garrett Graff, author of The Only Plane In The Sky

    Host: Jessie Stephens

    Producer: Gia Moylan

    Audio Producer: Rhiannon Mooney & Ian Camilleri

    CONTACT US

    Tell us what you think of the show via email at truecrime@mamamia.com.au

    Join our closed Facebook community to discuss this episode. Just search True Crime Conversations on Facebook or follow this link https://bit.ly/tcc-group

    If any of the contents in this episode have caused distress, know that there is help available via Lifeline on 13 11 14 or Beyond Blue on 1300 22 4636

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

    Just by reading or listening to our content, you’re helping to fund girls in schools in some of the most disadvantaged countries in the world - through our partnership with Room to Read. We’re currently funding 300 girls in school every day and our aim is to get to 1,000. Find out more about Mamamia at mamamia.com.au

    Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

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    The Teenager Who Came Back From The Dead Dec 01, 2021
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    It’s May 9, 2001, and the family of missing teenager, Natasha Ryan, are holding a memorial service in Bundaberg, Queensland. Today would have been her 17th birthday.

    Natasha, with dark brown hair, hazel eyes, and fair, freckled skin, had disappeared on August 31, 1998. She was 14 years old. For almost three years, there has been no trace of her.

    Her father, Robert Ryan, and mother, Jenny Ryan, have accepted that their daughter is dead. They may never find her remains. But at this memorial, they say their final goodbyes. Their pain is palpable to everyone around them.

    But - as they will later learn - Natasha Ryan is still alive. She’s about 25 minutes away. And in a story unlike anything seen anywhere in the world, Natasha will appear at her own murder trial two years later.

    Her story is one Australia won’t ever forget.

    CREDITS

    Guests: Tara Brown & Paula Doneman

    Host: Jessie Stephens

    Producer: Gia Moylan

    Audio Producer: Ian Camilleri

    CONTACT US

    Tell us what you think of the show via email at truecrime@mamamia.com.au

    Join our closed Facebook community to discuss this episode. Just search True Crime Conversations on Facebook or follow this link https://bit.ly/tcc-group

    If any of the contents in this episode have caused distress, know that there is help available via Lifeline on 13 11 14 or Beyond Blue on 1300 22 4636

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

    Just by reading or listening to our content, you’re helping to fund girls in schools in some of the most disadvantaged countries in the world - through our partnership with Room to Read. We’re currently funding 300 girls in school every day and our aim is to get to 1,000. Find out more about Mamamia at mamamia.com.au

    Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.


    The Disappearance of Shelly Miscavige Nov 24, 2021
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    It was December 1982, when 21-year-old Shelly Barnett, described by Vanity Fair as a willowy beauty with strawberry blonde hair, married 22-year old David Miscavige in Los Angeles.

    She would become the First Lady of Scientology.

    Those who knew her described her as shy, often appearing lonely and isolated. At the same time, some witnesses say she was prone to losing her temper, much like her husband.

    In all the years they were together, members of Scientology who have gone on the record say they cannot remember any affection between the two. They did not hug or kiss. Theirs was very much a working relationship. They were both dedicated to the Church of Scientology above all else and were busy attracting high-profile celebrities to their church. Their project worked. They recruited Tom Cruise, John Travolta, Kirstie Alley, Elisabeth Moss, Danny Masterton, and Nancy Cartwright.

    By 2004, Claire Headley, an ex Scientologist who worked closely with Shelly, said she had begun to crack. “Shelly was cowed,” she said. “She was always stressed. She was never sleeping. She was just run ragged. Because of that, she was often in a bad mood and that’s where some people would just say they hated her. But she was never an evil person... It was just a god-awful situation.”

    And then, suddenly, Shelly Miscavige, the most high-profile woman in Scientology, vanished.

    It was as though she had never existed.

    CREDITS

    Guest: Tony Ortega

    Host: Jessie Stephens

    Producer: Gia Moylan

    Audio Producer: Ian Camilleri

    CONTACT US

    Tell us what you think of the show via email at truecrime@mamamia.com.au

    Join our closed Facebook community to discuss this episode. Just search True Crime Conversations on Facebook or follow this link https://bit.ly/tcc-group

    If any of the contents in this episode have caused distress, know that there is help available via Lifeline on 13 11 14 or Beyond Blue on 1300 22 4636

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

    Just by reading or listening to our content, you’re helping to fund girls in schools in some of the most disadvantaged countries in the world - through our partnership with Room to Read. We’re currently funding 300 girls in school every day and our aim is to get to 1,000. Find out more about Mamamia at mamamia.com.au

    Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.


    Who Killed Shandee Blackburn? Nov 17, 2021
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    Mackay is a city on the Coral Sea coast of Queensland, Australia, located about 970 kilometres north of Brisbane.

    It’s known as the sugar capital of Australia, producing more than a third of the country’s cane sugar.

    In South Mackay, sits a spacious pub called Harrup Park Country Club. In February 2013, this was one of the last places Shandee Blackburn was seen alive.

    The 23-year-old finishes her seven hour Friday night shift and begins to make her way home to her mother’s house in Boddington Street. Wearing dark pants and a dark shirt, Shandee taps out a text message as she walks, not even 15 minutes from her destination. It’s warm outside with a light breeze, as the town enters into its last weeks of summer. The streets are quiet. Empty. Shandee has no reason to be afraid.

    But that night, Shandee will not make it to her front door. A taxi driver would see a scuffle he does not understand, and call the police. She is brutally attacked. And CCTV features a man, just prior to her attack, crouching in some nearby bushes.

    CREDITS

    Guest: Hedley Thomas, host of Shandee's Story

    Host: Jessie Stephens

    Producer: Gia Moylan

    Audio Producer: Ian Camilleri

    CONTACT US

    Tell us what you think of the show via email at truecrime@mamamia.com.au

    Join our closed Facebook community to discuss this episode. Just search True Crime Conversations on Facebook or follow this link https://bit.ly/tcc-group

    If any of the contents in this episode have caused distress, know that there is help available via Lifeline on 13 11 14 or Beyond Blue on 1300 22 4636

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

    Just by reading or listening to our content, you’re helping to fund girls in schools in some of the most disadvantaged countries in the world - through our partnership with Room to Read. We’re currently funding 300 girls in school every day and our aim is to get to 1,000. Find out more about Mamamia at mamamia.com.au

    Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.


    The Family Murders Of Adelaide Nov 10, 2021
    Show notes

    It’s 1983, and a 15-year-old boy named Richard Kelvin is in a laneway in North Adelaide. He is 50 metres from his beautiful family home.

    He has spent that Sunday, June the 5th, playing footy, until the afternoon when his best friend Karl came over. They kicked the footy around. Richard called his girlfriend. And then he walked Karl to the bus stop.

    It’s 6:15pm, and the sun is disappearing.

    He says to Karl that he doesn’t want to walk back alone. There are surrounding parklands, and he jokes “I might get mugged or something.” Richard is as aware as any other child in Adelaide that the streets aren’t safe at night. Over the last four years, boys have been murdered.

    Richard attempts to run home. He wants to call his girlfriend. He must be back in time for dinner. But then a sound echoes through the neighbourhood.

    Multiple people hear it. The suburb is otherwise quiet, and then there’s a loud cry, as though for help, followed by the screeching of car tires.

    Richard is not the first boy to go missing, but he is the most high profile. His father is a famous news presenter, Rob Kelvin.

    It will be six weeks and one day before Richard’s boy is found. For most of that time, he was alive. It is a tragedy of unimaginable scale.

    He is the fifth murder victim that we know of, ranging in age from 14 to 25.

    The people responsible were capable of cruelty beyond what any of us could imagine. And, according to some, they belonged to a much larger network, targeting potentially hundreds of innocent victims.

    CREDITS

    Guest: Debi Marshall

    Host: Jessie Stephens

    Producer: Gia Moylan

    Audio Producer: Ian Camilleri

    CONTACT US

    Tell us what you think of the show via email at truecrime@mamamia.com.au

    Join our closed Facebook community to discuss this episode. Just search True Crime Conversations on Facebook or follow this link https://bit.ly/tcc-group

    If any of the contents in this episode have caused distress, know that there is help available via Lifeline on 13 11 14 or Beyond Blue on 1300 22 4636

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

    Just by reading or listening to our content, you’re helping to fund girls in schools in some of the most disadvantaged countries in the world - through our partnership with Room to Read. We’re currently funding 300 girls in school every day and our aim is to get to 1,000. Find out more about Mamamia at mamamia.com.au

    Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.


    Missing In Two Minutes: The Baffling Disappearance Of Janet Castrejon Nov 03, 2021
    Show notes

    Rustler Park sits high in the Chiricahua Mountains in southern Arizona.

    Campsites belonging to the park are scattered along a number of roads, sectioned off from the meadows to avoid damaging plants and fragile soils. Paths from these campgrounds lead into the Chiricahua Wilderness, a national forest full of ponderosa pine and swarming with wildlife. Large animals, like black bears, are often spotted there.

    In the early afternoon of Father’s Day, 2015, three members of the Castrejon family arrived and set up camp. Lydia and Eduardo Castrejon had driven up the mountain with their 44-year-old daughter,Janet. Eduardo made lunch for his family at around 4pm.

    But within only a few hours, Janet Castrejon would be missing. She would disappear in what seemed like a flash.

    And since that summer evening on the 18th of June, 2015, Janet was never seen alive again.

    CREDITS

    Guest: Ottavia McHenry, host of the Labyrinth podcast.

    Host: Jessie Stephens

    Producer: Gia Moylan

    Audio Producer: Ian Camilleri & Leah Porges

    CONTACT US

    Tell us what you think of the show via email at truecrime@mamamia.com.au

    Join our closed Facebook community to discuss this episode. Just search True Crime Conversations on Facebook or follow this link https://bit.ly/tcc-group

    If any of the contents in this episode have caused distress, know that there is help available via Lifeline on 13 11 14 or Beyond Blue on 1300 22 4636

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

    Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.


    The Bondi Clifftop Murders Oct 27, 2021
    Show notes

    Between the beaches of Bondi and Tamarama in Sydney’s picturesque Eastern suburbs, lies a steep cliff face. Parks and a walking track sit above, attracting tourists from all over the world. But below is rock and the white, foamy Pacific Ocean, the water appearing black at night time. In the 1980s, there was no railing separating the track from the steep cliff. And at night, sometimes screams were heard by locals. Bloodstains were found along the walkway. And in the very worst-case scenarios, men disappeared… or their lifeless bodies were found below - lives cut tragically short.

    Some locals nicknamed the area Bondi Badlands - a spot that turned into what’s been referred to as a killer’s playground.

    So what was happening to these innocent men? And why did it take such a long time for police to give these crimes the time and energy they always deserved?

    CREDITS

    Guest: Greg Callaghan, host of the Bondi Badlands podcast.

    Host: Jessie Stephens

    Producer: Gia Moylan

    Audio Producer: Ian Camilleri

    CONTACT US

    Tell us what you think of the show via email at truecrime@mamamia.com.au

    Join our closed Facebook community to discuss this episode. Just search True Crime Conversations on Facebook or follow this link https://bit.ly/tcc-group

    If any of the contents in this episode have caused distress, know that there is help available via Lifeline on 13 11 14 or Beyond Blue on 1300 22 4636

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

    Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.


    Australia's Jack The Ripper Oct 20, 2021
    Show notes

    It’s 1888, and a man who will become perhaps the most infamous serial killer in history is terrorising the streets of London.

    Fog rises from the damp streets of the Whitechapel district, a largely impoverished area, which has earned itself a reputation for being a cauldron of immorality. Poverty, racism, hundreds of lodging houses which function as brothels, and social unrest mean that the slums in the East End of London have already earned themselves a reputation.

    It’s September 10, and five killings have taken place within one and a half kilometres of each other, in just over a month. All the victims are women. The culprit is known as Jack the Ripper, because of the horrifically brutal nature of his violent crimes.

    A number of letters were sent from a man claiming to be the killer, taunting police and journalists. One of the letters purported to have been sent from hell.

    To this day, the killer’s identity is unknown.

    But there’s a theory that he might have been a man named Fredrick Deeming. A man who eventually, ended up in Australia.

    CREDITS

    Guest: Garry Linnell

    Host: Jessie Stephens

    Producer: Gia Moylan

    Audio Producer: Ian Camilleri

    CONTACT US

    Tell us what you think of the show via email at truecrime@mamamia.com.au

    Join our closed Facebook community to discuss this episode. Just search True Crime Conversations on Facebook or follow this link https://bit.ly/tcc-group

    If any of the contents in this episode have caused distress, know that there is help available via Lifeline on 13 11 14 or Beyond Blue on 1300 22 4636

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

    Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.


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