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    Trapital

    Trapital is where technology meets culture. Hear breakdowns on the most important trends in tech, media, and entertainment. Trapital founder Dan Runcie and various guests break down the moves that shape the rest of society. Learn more

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    The Rise of Reels: Meta’s $50B Ad Machine Jan 15, 2026
    Show notes


    Meta’s short-form video surface, Reels, now generates $50 billion in annual run rate. That’s more than some of the largest media companies like Netflix, TikTok, and YouTube’s ad business.

    Reels may be less culturally relevant than those companies, and its users spend less time on the platform than others, but it prints money and shows no signs of slowing down.

    This episode explores how Meta’s infrastructure made Reels one of the most successful monetization plays in modern tech and what could threaten its momentum next.


    CHAPTERS

    02:51 Culture vs. Cash

    04:30 How Reels Makes Money

    06:49 Meta’s Advantage

    15:34 Risks Ahead

    18:54 What’s Next for Reels


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    TRAPITAL

    Where technology shapes culture. New episodes and memos every week. Sign up here for free.



    Music is a $47 Billion Industry. Why Isn’t It Bigger? Dec 23, 2025
    Show notes

    In this episode, we sit down with Will Page, economist and author of Pivot, for a deep dive on the global economics of music. Using Will’s latest Global Value of Music Copyright Report, we explore streaming economics, global market gaps, AI, and where the music industry’s next phase of growth may come from.


    CHAPTERS

    02:45 Global Value of Music: 10 Years in Review 11:24 Emerging Music Markets 13:37 Africa’s Music Economy 18:11 Brazil’s Music Market 21:12 The Crocodile Smile 33:18 AI and Music’s Future


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    GUEST

    Will Page, former Chief Economist of Spotify and PRS for Music, Author of Pivot


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    Polymarket and Kalshi: Financial Tools or Casinos? Dec 12, 2025
    Show notes

    Prediction markets like Polymarket and Kalshi have had a big year in 2025, but what are they really? Securities? Derivatives? Sportsbooks? They may be all of the above.

    Listen to my breakdown on how these markets have evolved over time, and what led to their current rise today. We then dive into the opportunities, risks, and the regulatory challenges that may shape their future.



    CHAPTERS

    02:54 The Origin of Prediction Markets

    06:43 Polymarket, Kalshi, and Modern Prediction Markets

    09:16 Regulation and What’s Next

    09:31 Bucket A: Policy, Finance, and Economics

    13:36 Bucket B: Sports, Entertainment, and Pop Culture



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    How MTV Lost Its Way Dec 05, 2025
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    People say they miss when MTV played music videos, but their viewing habits say otherwise!

    We revisited one of our most popular episodes from 2023, but trimmed it down to include the best parts. I’m joined by Zack O’Malley Greenburg to unpack MTV’s rise from a scrappy video platform to a cultural powerhouse. We break down breakthrough moments like Michael Jackson’s “Billie Jean”, the rise of reality TV, the networks influence, rise, fall, and what’s next?

    CHAPTERS

    01:04 The Birth of MTV 04:45 MTV's Business Model 13:01 Cultural Impact of Influence 21:28 Rise of Reality TV 29:59 MTV ‘s Decline


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    GUEST

    Zack O’Malley Greenburg, Author, Empire State of Mind


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    Five Bold Predictions: Netflix and Spotify, AI-Powered Industry, The Big 3’s Future, and More Nov 20, 2025
    Show notes

    We continue our Trapital Summit series with Dan and MiDIA Research’s Tati Cirisano sharing bold predictions from Trapital Summit attendees and sharing their thoughts.

    We debate the long-term viability of major record labels, whether a Netflix + Spotify merger make sense (we recorded this before the podcast partnership!), we also discussed whether we’ll return to mass mainstream monoculture, future growth opportunities, and which new opportunities will be unlocked by AI-powered tools.


    CHAPTERS

    01:47 Future of Major Labels?

    03:58 Will Netflix and Spotify Ever Merge?

    05:52 A Return to Monoculture?

    09:06 Unprecedented Industry Growth?

    10:30 Will AI-Driven Labels Be The Future?


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    GUEST

    Tatiana Cirisano, VP Music Strategy, MIDiA Research


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    What's a Grammy Worth? New Voters, New Winners, and Rewriting History Nov 13, 2025
    Show notes

    This episode is in partnership and collaboration with our friends at The Recording Academy

    You’ll hear our deep dive on what we can learn from this years Grammys with our usual analysis and a few select guests including: Panos Panay (President of The Recording Academy), Tati Cirisano (MIDiA Research), Zack O’Malley Greenburg, author and investor.

    We discuss the biggest takeaways from the 2026 nominations, the rise of international music, how the voting body has evolved, and the economic lift of a Grammy win.

    CHAPTERS

    01:41 - Biggest takeaways

    05:41 - Tati Cirisano joins us

    13:02 - Panos Panay joins us

    17:10 - Which past Grammys would have changed

    21:52 - The Grammy Bump

    33:10 - Zack Greenburg joins us

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    GUESTS Panos Panay, President, The Recording Academy

    Tatiana Cirisano, VP Music Strategy, MIDiA Research

    Zack O’Malley Greenburg, Author, Empire State of Mind



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    RESOURCES What is the Economic Value of a GRAMMY in Today’s Industry? - Chartmetric and Will Page


    Building Businesses Around Artists with Firebird Music CEO Nathan Hubbard Nov 06, 2025
    Show notes

    At our Trapital Summit, Nathan Hubbard joined me in stage to discuss Firebird Music’s investment thesis, working with Yungblud, and the business of Taylor Swift.


    CHAPTERS

    04:06 Firebird’s Mission

    06:46 Yungblud’s Case Study

    14:16 Investing in Management Companies

    21:03 Finding New Talent

    23:34 Is Taylor Swift the Best CEO in Music?

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    Where technology shapes culture. New episodes and memos every week.




    Investing in Music Rights with Shamrock Capital’s Jason Sklar Oct 30, 2025
    Show notes

    We continue our Trapital Summit series with Jason Sklar, a partner at Shamrock Capital, to explore music rights as an asset class, as well as gaming, film, and more. We discuss Shamrock’s perspective, market trends, valuation approaches, the role of AI, and cross-industry opportunities.


    02:27 State of Music Rights Investing

    09:37 Shamrock’s Investment Approach

    16:01 AI, Gaming, and Music

    19:39 Why Investing in Film is a B2B Business

    20:13 What’s Next for Catalog Deals

    This episode is brought to you by SoundCloud for Artists, the all-in-one platform that empowers artists to distribute music, grow their audience, and get paid directly.

    From uploads to insights, SoundCloud helps creators take control of their careers.


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    Udio CEO Andrew Sanchez on AI’s Future in Music Oct 23, 2025
    Show notes

    We continued our Trapital Summit series with our talk with Udio CEO Andrew Sanchez and MIDiA Research’s Tati Cirisano. AI is rapidly transforming how music is created, distributed, and experienced. You’ll hear them unpack the challenges and opportunities shaping this new era of sound. From redefining creativity to fostering trust between artists and technology, we explore how collaboration, ethics, and innovation can drive a more equitable and inspiring future for the music industry.


    03:36 AI Music: Trends and Future

    08:11 What Sets Udio Apart

    14:06 Trust and Fair Use in AI

    21:19 Future Vision and Rapid Fire


    This episode is brought to you by Laylo, a platform built for artists, creators, and live-event teams that helps turn shows into fandom. Laylo powers drops, tour campaigns, fan lists, SMS & DM outreach, and more to grow engagement and enable deeper connections.

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    Steve Pamon on How to Create Moments That Matter Oct 16, 2025
    Show notes

    At the Trapital Summit, we were joined by the CEO of VERZUZ, Steve Pamon. His career is all about turning events into big moments, from his time at McKinsey, HBO, NFL, WWE, IMAX, and more. We discussed how major shows scale into franchises, covering team execution, fan value, storytelling, and lessons from Beyoncé, Roger Goodell, and more.


    03:50 Story and Execution in Live Events

    09:49 Music Industry Challenges

    16:23 WWE and IMAX Takeaways

    24:02 What’s Next for Verzuz


    This episode is brought to you by Laylo, a platform built for artists, creators, and live-event teams that helps turn shows into fandom. Laylo powers drops, tour campaigns, fan lists, SMS & DM outreach, and more to grow engagement and enable deeper connections.


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