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The Generative AI Music Sweepstakes May 24, 2024

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The market is booming for generative music. Suno raised $125M and Udio has raised over $10M. The tools are impressive, but they raise some important questions:

What data are these products trained on?
Are startups in music incentivized to ask for permission?
Is this what 'IG for music' looks like?
Are these products or features?

I'm joined by Tati Cirisano from MIDiA Research. Hope you enjoy listening.

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Why NPR Tiny Desk Is Still a Phenomenon May 17, 2024

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NPR Tiny Desk is 15 years old and arguably stronger than ever. It helped Usher perform at the Super Bowl. It helped Tank and the Bangas break through to a Grammy nomination. And it elevated the perception of artists like T-Pain and Mac Miller.

But how does Tiny Desk maintain its influence? Any company can host a stripped-down acoustic series for artists to perform in their office. But even if they did, it wouldn't hit the same.

In this episode, we break down the dynamics that make Tiny Desk work, the tradeoffs that the show balances, how it maintains its status over time, and what the future may hold.

Listen to me and Tati Cirisano from MIDiA Research break it all down.

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Why Penske Bought All The Media Companies May 10, 2024

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The list of brands that Penske Media Corporation owns or has invested in is long: Billboard, Variety, The Hollywood Reporter, Rolling Stone, Music Business Worldwide, Deadline, and dozens more.

What's Penske's long game? Are these companies better off? Where would these companies be without Penske? Which companies are most likely next?

To break it all down, I'm joined by Bill Werde, former Billboard editorial director, author of Full Rate No Cap, and the Director of Bandier Program of Recording and Entertainment and Syracuse’s Newhouse School.

This episode is brought to you by 4se New York, where sports and entertainment come alive.

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How Hip-Hop Beef Evolved in the Streaming Era May 03, 2024

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While Drake and Kendrick Lamar trade diss tracks back and forth, we decided to dig into the engine that makes it all possible. How has rap beef evolved in the streaming era and social media? Do the stakes still matter? Who makes money from these beef? How does this impact hip-hop's "decline"?

I'm joined by BrandMan Sean, our friend of the pod who had a lot to say about this. Listen here or wherever you get podcasts!

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Inside KKR's Investments in Music Apr 26, 2024

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Private equity firm KKR has been fascinating to watch in the music rights landscape. Just when you thought they were out, they get pulled back in!

In this episode, we break down the past few years of KKR's deals with Chord Music, Kobalt, HarbourView Equity Partners. Why did they sell Chord Music? Why did they partner with HarbourView? What does it say about the broader music rights investing landscape.

Listen to me and Anna Nicolaou from the Financial Times break it all down.

00:00 KKR's $500M debt deal with Harborview

07:24 How rising interest rates affect the valuation of music

14:50 KKR vs other players in the industry

22:15 The role of UMG in the music rights landscape

30:25 Predictions on the current bidding wars

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What Taylor Swift's Return to TikTok Means for Universal Music Group Apr 19, 2024

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On April 11, Taylor Swift’s songs reappeared on TikTok despite the platform's ongoing dispute with her record label, Universal Music Group. This move was made in advance of the release of Taylor’s 11th studio album, The Tortured Poets Department.

On this episode of Trapital, Tatiana Cirisano and I discuss why Swift and UMG don’t see eye-to-eye, competing incentives, who’s in charge at UMG, and more.

00:00 Why we’re not surprised Taylor Swift made this move

07:52 Why Swift and UMG have competing incentives

13:37 What it means for UMG and TikTok moving forward

24:27 Who’s the most powerful person in the music industry?

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What's Next for Diddy's Businesses? Apr 12, 2024

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We've had plenty of conversations on Trapital about Diddy's business success, so we have to keep that same energy when outlook changes.

On this episode, Zack O'Malley Greenburg and I talk about our initial reactions to the allegations surrounding Sean Combs, and we talk about the present state and future of the biggest businesses in his portfolio.

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Do Music Festivals Have a Superstar Problem? Apr 05, 2024

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Despite the all-time record highs for the live music industry, music festivals haven't quite had the same post-pandemic recovery. Several well-known festivals have closed up shop, and others have had slower than usual demand (even Coachella!)

To break it all down, I'm joined by Tati Cirisano from MIDiA Research. Hope you enjoy!

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Do Major Record Labels Still Have Brand Identity? Mar 29, 2024

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Back in the day, each record label had a distinct consumer identity. In the 90s, you knew what to expect from an Interscope album. Def Jam, Jive, Uptown, Cash Money. They all had their own vibe, their own identity, their own brand.

So... what the hell happened?

In the episode, we talk about how music's landscape shifted, and took the consumer brands with it. Strong brands still exist today among today's music companies, but they operate more like B2B brands than B2C brands.

I'm joined by Justin Hunte, music journalist, startup advisor, and former Editor-in-Chief of HipHopDX, and we break it all down.

04:20 Def Jam's fight for legitimacy and innovation.

06:59 Federal Communications Act - media consolidation impact

12:08 Media success relies on standing on giants' shoulders.

16:36 Hybe's Weverse maximizes label and artist reach.

18:21 Maximizing super fans to boost revenue. Consolidation.

23:07 Shift in entertainment from pandemic to 2024.

25:41 Changing music industry, companies adapting to trends.

28:37 Brand identity crucial; industry accolades have limits.

31:31 Share, rate, and spread the word.

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Trapital is home for the business of music, media and culture. Learn more by reading Trapital’s free memo.

UMG vs TikTok, Kids’ Music, and Beyonce - Verizon (Trapital mailbag episode) Mar 22, 2024

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It's time to dig into the mailbag again. I asked Trapital listeners to send me their most burning questions about the music industry. But this time we’re doing things a bit differently: you’ll be hearing the questions directly from our listeners.

We dug into the TikTok vs. UMGc dispute, children’s entertainment media, and the Beyoncé - Verizon relationship leading to album ‘Act II: Cowboy Carter.”

00:00 UMG vs TikTok 15:17 Kids’ music 19:55 Beyoncé, Verizon, and Cowboy Carter

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