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    This Sustainable Life

    Do you care about the environment but feel “I want to act, but if no one else does, it won’t make a difference,” and “But if you don’t solve everything, it isn’t worth doing anything”?

    We are the antidote! You’re not alone. Hearing role models overcome the same feelings to enjoy acting on their values creates meaning, purpose, community, and emotional reward.

    Want to improve as a leader? Bestselling author, 3-time TEDx speaker, leadership speaker, coach, and professor Joshua Spodek, PhD, MBA, brings joy and inspiration to acting on the environment. You’ll learn to lead without relying on authority.

    We bring you leaders from many areas — business, politics, sports, arts, education, and more — to share their expertise for you to learn from. We then ask them to share and act on their environmental values. That’s leadership without authority — so they act for their reasons, not out of guilt, blame, doom, gloom, or someone telling them what to do.

    Guests include:

    • Dan Pink, 40+ million TED Talk views
    • Marshall Goldsmith, #1-ranked leadership guru and author
    • Frances Hesselbein, Presidential Medal of Freedom honoree, former CEO of the Girl Scouts
    • Elizabeth Kolbert, Pulitzer Prize-winning author
    • David Allen, author of Getting Things Done
    • Ken Blanchard, author of The One Minute Manager
    • Vincent Stanley, Director of Patagonia
    • Dorie Clark, bestselling author
    • Bryan Braman, Super Bowl champion, Philadelphia Eagle
    • John Lee Dumas, top entrepreneurial podcaster
    • Alisa Cohn, top 100 speaker and coach
    • David Biello, Science curator for TED

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    Latest Episodes:
    310: The Start and End of Any Serious Conversation on the Environment Mar 21, 2020
    Show notes

    This episode puts together the most important and fundamental considerations about the environment:

    • What works
    • The basic cause contributing to all environmental problems
    • Earth's carrying capacity
    • An attainable bright future
    • A means to reach it that has worked on a smaller scale

    It feels to me like a solid TED talk.


    On Alan Weisman:

    • 250: Why talk about birthrate and population so much?
    • 248: Countdown, a book I recommend by Alan Weisman
    • 258: The World Without Us, by Alan Weisman
    • 251: Let’s make overpopulation only a finance issue
    • My conversation with Alan

    On Mechai Viravaidya, the Thai man who transformed Thai's birth rate through fun, not coercion

    • TED: How Mr. Condom Made Thailand a Better Place for Life and Love
    • My episode 279: Role model and global leader Mechai Viravaidya
    • 294: Population: How Much Is Too Much?


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    309: Roberta Baskin: Covid-19 Social Connection Amid Physical Distancing Mar 20, 2020
    Show notes

    Roberta and I met last September. Our scheduled time to record came just after the covid-19 situation hit the US.

    We reflected on the change. The conversation is less scripted but of the moment.

    I decided to post it in the moment, foregoing editing (I hope you don't mind the sound quality [EDIT: Since posting, my editor worked his magic and improved the audio quality]), gaining poignancy.

    I don't have to say it, but we're living in a historical time. Everything is changing, but we don't know how or how much. It looks like big things will happen soon in this country. They already have around the world. We don't know what.

    Many of us are talking like this. I wanted to share Roberta's voice now.

    • Earth's Call
    • Aim2Flourish
    • Lorna Davis on this podcast

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    308: Marni Kinrys, part 1: The Ultimate Wing Girl Mar 18, 2020
    Show notes

    Previous guest and retired dating coach guru Brad P suggested inviting Marni as a guest, his longtime friend and colleague. She coaches men on attraction, dating, and so on. Curious?

    She pioneered women coaching men in this area, as you'll hear in our conversation, helping transition the field in ways you'll hear her describe. Her fourteen years of experience led her to expertise, understanding, skills, insight, and fun. I don't know of her peer.

    She shares her expertise and experience. I predict you'll find her story fascinating, engaging, and fun.

    On a personal note, I'm continuing the opening up about my practicing and coaching dating, attraction, seduction, etc. so you'll get to hear more of my evolution in something important to me where I felt vulnerable. I was also a guest on her show, the Ask Women podcast, which listeners have given positive feedback on. She and her cohost Kristen Carney created an open, fun context where I could feel comfortable sharing my dating coach history.

    I don't know about you, but I felt like I got to see into a quasi-secret world or perspective that I knew about but hadn't actually heard from directly and openly. And we have mutual friends.

    And if you're a man looking to attract women, I recommend contacting Marni for coaching.


    • Marni's page The Wing Girl Method
    • The Ask Women podcast


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    307: Covid-19, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and leading through crises Mar 16, 2020
    Show notes

    People are criticizing politicians and others over handling Covid-19. I don't blame or criticize people for not knowing how to handle particulars of this situation, but we can respond more effectively.

    Some parts of the situation are unique to Covid-19. Some are endemic to crises. We can learn from how people handled past crises effectively and ineffectively.

    Today I talk about John Kennedy learning from the Bay of Pigs disaster to lead through the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    Important urgent tasks like sourcing ventilators are important, but if we miss learning the important non-urgent things to prepare for the next situation, which likely won't require ventilators, we'll find ourselves here again.

    • Bay of Pigs invasion: Kennedy’s Cuban catastrophe
    • JFK’s Legacy and Groupthink
    • Thirteen Days (film)

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    306: Covid-19, avoiding people, and family Mar 15, 2020
    Show notes

    I chose to stay at my mom's outside the city

    Why?

    • Read stories, saw difference between places with SARS and MERS experience versus not
    • NY and US woefully underprepared govt, corps. People didn't get it
    • Not worried about my health, but system
    • Advice is distance

    What could happen

    • Closer to Italy than China or Iran
    • Talked to friend in medicine
    • Talked to friend who had been following most
    • US lacks central authority

    Why not?

    • Mom is 76. Stepfather close. I could unknowingly bring disease
    • Solution isn't possible for everyone. On the other hand, everyone who can slow spread should

    At first felt privileged

    • But hard to find precisely
    • Having mom?
    • Having mom still alive?
    • Her living outside the city? Many other situations doesn't help.
    • That I can afford to go somewhere else?
    • Normally couldn't but situation demands it. Like many, I can't afford. My largest source of income last year was corporate speaking, which is all disappearing
    • In any case, able to relocate possibly for months results from work at pruning unnecessary, which anyone can do
    • I don't have kids, which enables a lot, but a major factor in not having kids is not being able to afford them.
    • Feels like the opposite of privilege, not being able to afford something
    • Still, people have told me I'm privileged for it.
    • Candidly, it feels that way, but I can't put my finger on it. My family isn't loaded. If middle class is privileged, I guess, but then everyone outside poverty is privileged.

    Back to Covid

    • What made case for me was seeing scientific models that what we're seeing with minimal testing implies far more we haven't tested, which implies far more who can transmit but haven't shown symptoms, which could be you or me
    • Biggest problem would be if we don't learn from it.
    • Biggest lesson so far: can't not fly -> can not fly
    • Because however big Covid, scientists have predicted pandemics based on overpopulation and over travel for generations
    • They've also predicted a lot more to come.
    • Best course beyond this pandemic is to implement globally what Thai people did: lowering birth rate globally to around 1, 1.5 children per woman.
    • In the immediate, follow expert advice, of course



    The two articles that influenced me most:

    • Coronavirus: Why You Must Act Now
    • How Will Coronavirus Spread? Liz Specht Breaks Down Systemic Risk – by the Math – As 16 Million Are Quarantined in Italy

    The chart I described, from the first link above:

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    305: The greatest danger from covid-19 would be not learning from it Mar 14, 2020
    Show notes

    My notes that I read from for this episode:

    Greatest danger is not to learn from it.

    Starting story: Preparing to launch on 9/11. While nothing on scale of victims, first responders, and those who fought, but went from 8 digit to limbo. Within two years squeezed out. Gave up following Einstein and Newton to outdoor advertising that I didn't even like. Now no way forward, backward, or anything. Lost trust in people. Closer to mom and other entrepreneurs with similar disaster.

    We feel everything shutting down. Huge unknown. Will things restart? How many will suffer? How many will die? What will happen to health care system? Have I bought enough to eat? Will I become infected? If so, how badly? Will I accidentally infect others?

    Images of China, Italy, Korea show fuller shut down ahead.

    Other nation's results show divide in effectiveness with if they faced SARS, MERS, and related situations.

    Nothing compares with experience.

    We've seen in America back-to-back 500-year storms, fires, and floods. My home of New York City has seen a hurricane, not nearly the country's severest.

    We know more is to come.

    We lack relevant leadership experience.

    I don't see a silver lining to lower pollution if it comes through suffering and death.

    If any silver lining -- that given predictions for generations that neglecting our humility to the environment by dominating instead of stewarding it would lead to sea level rise, unbreathable air, famine, pestilence, and more, we can expect more -- and however bad this problem, it may give us training for future disasters.

    Our greatest danger in responding to covid is not to learn how to handle a population far beyond the Earth's ability to sustain or regenerate. Because we could learn what nations hit by SARS learned.

    We've been fortunate enough so far to face mostly localized disasters at different times. Here is one of our first global ones. The US could come together to help victims of Katrina, Paradise CA fires, and so on.

    We've helped foreign communities -- however imperfectly?

    What will happen when two or three disasters happen? Four?

    Today's answer is that we don't know and have no basis to answer.

    But we could learn now. Not a silver lining for people in Italy or Iran and probably the US who are turned away from hospital care.

    Nor did I know what I would do on September 12. The fallout had barely begun. My life is far better for what I learned over what comfort and convenience I lost.

    Learned leadership and how to teach it, over a decade now. Students and clients apply it from the West Bank, to Silicon Valley, to the nation's least advantaged communities.

    Five years ago began my journey to serious meaningful environmental action. It began simply, challenging myself to go a week buying no packaged food. Learned to cook from scratch, found delicious, faster, cheaper, more accessible (Saturday cooked in Bronx at invitation from single mom in food desert to show her community what I'd learned).

    Mindset shift to expect acting on environmental values to improve life. So when I learned flying NY-LA r/t warmed the globe a year of driving, I challenged myself to go a year without flying.

    March 23 begins my fifth year of what I expected deprivation, sacrifice, obligation, chore, but turned out joy, connection, and community.

    I threw out my garbage once in 2019, 2018, 2017. Pure life improvement amid 90% reduction according to online calculators.

    I've spoken to about 1,000 people on my podcast and life about not flying. About 998 said impossible.

    Suddenly many not flying. It's always been a matter of motivation and imagination.

    One flight brings you to distant loved one or job opportunity. Flying in general separates to where you have to fly. More flying means less time with family and less control over career and is a sign of privilege that letting go of improves life.

    My mom texted me she couldn't see me last week. We don't know if my niece's Bat Mitzvah later this month will happen. Our family is closer, not more distant, despite the physical distance.

    We can learn from this. It will get worse before it gets better. Maybe it will just be a worse flu season. It probably won't become like the 1918 flu coming off WWI or the Black Plague, but they danger isn't how sick you get, it's how society handles it.

    Let's learn as much as we can.

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    304: How ecotourism can work Mar 13, 2020
    Show notes

    I view ecotourism skeptically at best. While I imagine someone could create tourism that increased the world's ability to sustain life and human society, every case I've seen at least doubly does the opposite. For one thing I've only seen ecotourism involving flying, which destroys what they pretend to help, perhaps dreaming that carbon offsets lower greenhouse concentrations while they more likely raise them. For another, they turn places into tourist traps that depend on outside money.

    Today's episode presents an opportunity for people to get most of what they look for in travel---adventure, different culture, cuisine, etc---without lowering the environment's ability to sustain life and human society. Visit decaying parts of the US or wherever you live.

    In the US, you could visit Flint, Camden, and so on. I bet visiting those places would check most or all the boxes of what most people claim they want from travel. They'd cost less, connect people to people and cultures they wouldn't otherwise. They'd bring money into depressed economies.

    It would develop some empathy and compassion from people claiming they want to help with those they pretend to help. Or it would expose the lie that most people claiming what they want from ecotourism really want other things, like to indulge, but to look good for it---what many people call greenwashing.

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    303: The environmental results I predict versus what I work for Mar 11, 2020
    Show notes

    People ask, "Josh, do you really think you can make a difference?" or comment that what I or anyone does won't matter.

    In the first part of this episode I describe how I think our environmental future will unfold---the outcome I consider most likely. It's not pretty. I foresee a lot of gloom and doom about nature, but however much problems in nature, I think human reactions will be more important, sooner, and more destructive.

    My main resources for this part are the Uninhabitable Earth by David Wallace-Wells and Limits to Growth.

    In the second part, I share what I think could unfold if we get serious about addressing what's happening---what I'm working for.

    In the next part, I describe why I work at something that even I consider unlikely, drawing on Vince Lombardi.

    Finally, in a coda, I address why I don't expect technology to save us, or more likely to augment and accelerate our environmental problem.


    • The Uninhabitable Earth
    • Limits to Growth
    • The Do the Math blog
    • About Thailand's family planning

    Norman Borlaug's quote:

    The green revolution has won a temporary success in man's war against hunger and deprivation; it has given man a breathing space. If fully implemented, the revolution can provide sufficient food for sustenance during the next three decades. But the frightening power of human reproduction must also be curbed; otherwise the success of the green revolution will be ephemeral only.

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    302: Nir Eyal, part 1: Make yourself Indistractable Mar 10, 2020
    Show notes

    I met Nir Eyal at a podcast recording of Will Bachman, who long ago hosted me on his podcast (see links below).

    Nir recently publish a book, Indistractable, about how to keep focused. A lot of people ask me how I do so much. I don't feel I do, but if so, maybe I qualify as someone who achieves. Indistractable gave me tools to focus and achieve more with less distraction.

    In fact, I'm writing now and recorded then despite feeling like I wanted to surf the net but used a technique from the book to focus.

    I wanted to hear how his research and techniques on personal action would connect to environmental action, which we started to talk about (I liked to Will's episode so you can hear Nir at length about the book).

    Nir showed one of this podcast's more dramatic transitions from skeptical, abstract environmental discussion to enthusiastic action. I appreciate his openness to reconsider since I read him as starting with set environmental views, but let himself look at it from a new perspective, including acting. I read his thank you at the end as sincere and, I suspect, the start of something new.

    As a spoiler alert, he emailed me less than 24 hours after we recorded that he acted on his commitment. Listen to hear his commitment beyond most people's.


    • Nir's conversation with Will Bachman
    • My conversation with Will was a few episodes earlier
    • Pale Blue Dot

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    301: Does It Scale? My Modified Tesla Strategy Mar 09, 2020
    Show notes

    If you've listened to this podcast, you know my Building Block---my technique to lead one person to share and act on his or her environmental values. You may also know my strategy to scale from influencing one person at a time to many.

    Describing that scaling model has taken effort. A conversation with a friend this morning about how Tesla scaled suggested to me a way to describe how I planned to scale.

    Today I describe what I'm thinking about calling my "modified Tesla strategy." I'm not describing a new strategy, but a new way to frame it and describe it. How one communicates influences how people understand and join a movement.

    • Episode 154: Why you, famous person, will like being a guest

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