Think Inclusive

Latest Episodes:

Reclaiming “Chingona”: Healing Intergenerational Trauma with Alma Zaragoza‑Petty Mar 30, 2023

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Alma Zaragoza‑Petty (she/her) — Mexican American activist, scholar, and podcast host; author of Chingona: Owning Your Inner Badass for Healing and Justice. She advises and counsels first‑generation, low‑income students and teaches equity-focused coursework to working professionals at USC, with a personal and scholarly focus on intergenerational healing.

Alma Zaragoza‑Petty shares how reclaiming the word “chingona”—once used to silence Latina women—can fuel personal healing and collective justice. She unpacks intergenerational trauma, practical steps for healing (acknowledgment, memory work, retelling our stories, and forgiveness), and how educators and mentors can change trajectories for students who have been underserved.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/alma-zaragoza-petty-unpacking-intergenerational-trauma-and-healing-2/

Inclusive Education in Action: The Story Behind Forget Me Not Mar 23, 2023

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Hilda Bernier — Educator with a special education license and bilingual extension who has taught mostly integrated co‑teaching classes (and some self‑contained high‑school classes). As a parent, she describes how evaluation reports and an early IEP meeting pushed against inclusion for her son, Emilio, and how seeing the Henderson Inclusion School shifted her perspective on what’s possible.

Olivier Bernier — Filmmaker and father who turned the camera on his family to make Forget Me Not, documenting their fight for inclusive education in New York City and the realities of IEP meetings. He aims to spark wider conversations about inclusion and accessible schooling for all learners.

Tim talks with Hilda and Olivier Bernier about their documentary Forget Me Not, which follows their son Emilio’s path into school and their push for inclusion within a segregated system. They discuss what went wrong in early evaluations and IEPs, what good inclusion looks like, and how Emilio is thriving today in a fully included kindergarten.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/hilda-and-olivier-bernier-forget-me-not-documentary-2/

How Team Trust Is Changing Disability Representation in Media and Marketing Mar 16, 2023

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Ryan Wilson is the founder and director of Team Trust Productions, a disability‑led media company that partners with mission‑driven organizations to tell authentic stories of people with disabilities. He launched Team Trust after an early documentary project (“Seeing With Trust”) and now works with nonprofits and higher‑ed institutions to make marketing more accessible and inclusive. Ryan lives with Osteogenesis Imperfecta and speaks from lived experience about access, belonging, and representation.

Tim Villegas talks with Ryan Wilson about what authentic disability representation looks like—and why it matters in schools, higher education, and media. They dig into common pitfalls (the “inspiration” trope), practical fixes (accessibility in video and web, ASL, real stories), and how personal connections with students change outcomes.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/ryan-wilson-team-trust-2/

Mary Beth Moore on Fighting for Belonging in Education Mar 09, 2023

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Mary Beth Moore — Author of Unwanted: Fighting to Belong and founder/executive director of The Advocacy Underground. She studied political science and criminal justice at UNC Charlotte, served in the U.S. Marine Corps, worked as a DoD intelligence analyst and later as a marketing leader. She uses storytelling to make special education law and research accessible to families and educators. She’s also Gavin’s mom.

When school leaders say yes to inclusion, everything changes. In this conversation, Mary Beth Moore shares how her son Gavin—who has Down syndrome, is nonverbal, and is still working on early literacy and numeracy—thrives in a fourth‑grade general education classroom because a principal chose to welcome him and build support. She contrasts that with systems that default to no, explores why implementation (not new law) is the bottleneck, and offers practical ways families and districts can move from conflict to collaboration. The through‑line: inclusion isn’t about meeting grade‑level benchmarks—it’s about belonging, support, and leadership willing to try.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/mary-beth-moore-unwanted-2/

Pod Access: How Disabled Creators Are Changing Podcasting Feb 23, 2023

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Cheryl Green is an access artist who’s spent a decade creating creative, immersive captions and five years crafting audio description, drawing on lived experience with chronic illness and invisible disabilities. She’s collaborated with disability‑focused organizations including Superfest International Disability Film Festival, Disability Visibility Project, and Kinetic Light; she’s also produced documentary films and makes (and transcribes) the storytelling podcast Pigeonhole.

Thomas Reid became blind in 2004 and reignited a long‑standing passion for audio. Selected as a “new voice scholar” by an association for independent radio in 2014, he launched Reid My Mind Radio, featuring compelling people impacted by blindness and disability—and, at times, reflective stories from his own life. He’s widely recognized for covering audio description and now narrates AD and other voiceover work.

Host Tim Villegas talks with Cheryl Green and Thomas Reid about storytelling by disabled creators, why medicalized “how it happened” narratives aren’t the only (or best) way to tell disability stories, and how to center community voice without objectifying guests. The conversation introduces Pod Access—a new effort bringing disabled podcasters and listeners together through a resource hub and companion podcast—while exploring language shifts, like Thomas Reid’s move from “vision loss” to “blind,” and the importance of owning one’s story. They close with messages for educators about believing and following the lead of students with invisible disabilities and chronic illness, and a reminder that what teachers say can shape a student’s self‑concept for years.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/cheryl-green-thomas-reid-pod-access-2/

UDL Now with Katie Novak: Practical Strategies for Every Teacher Feb 16, 2023

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Katie Novak is an internationally recognized education consultant, author of 11 books, graduate instructor at the University of Pennsylvania, and former assistant superintendent in Massachusetts. With over 20 years of experience in teaching and administration and a doctorate in curriculum and teaching, Katie specializes in Universal Design for Learning (UDL), Multi-Tiered Systems of Support (MTSS), and universally designed leadership. She designs and delivers workshops nationally and internationally to help educators implement inclusive practices.

Katie Novak breaks down what UDL really is—and isn’t—by centering three ideas: the dynamic variability of learners, firm goals with flexible means, and growing expert learners who can co-design their own paths. She clarifies how UDL (first-best, proactive design) fits alongside differentiated instruction (responsive grouping) and specially designed instruction (individualized supports), including for students with extensive support needs. The conversation also tackles common misconceptions about “choice,” rigor, and equity, and offers practical starting points so overwhelmed educators can move one step forward without trying to “do it all” at once.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/katie-novak-udl-now-2/

Why Schools Overuse Paraprofessionals in Inclusive Education (and What to Do Instead) Feb 09, 2023

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Michael Giangreco is a University Distinguished Professor Emeritus of Special Education at the University of Vermont and is affiliated with the UVM Center on Disability and Community Inclusion. He’s authored over 200 publications, presented across the U.S. and internationally, and is known for the “Absurdities and Realities of Special Education” cartoon collection, created to spark reflection and change in inclusive education.

Tim talks with Michael about why many schools over-rely on paraprofessionals for inclusion and how that can unintentionally create dependency, block peer relationships, reduce teacher ownership, and limit access to qualified instruction. Michael offers a simple shift: teachers take instructional ownership, special educators co-plan and co-facilitate, and paraprofessionals support the teachers (not attach 1:1 to students), all within inclusion‑oriented schools using natural proportions. They close with the story behind Michael’s cartoons and why humor and candor help the field move forward.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/michael-giangreco-on-the-overreliance-of-paraprofessionals-to-implement-inclusive-education-2/

From Teacher to Researcher: Lessons on Inclusion from Melissa Defayette Jan 26, 2023

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Melissa Defayette — Third‑year PhD student in Special Education at the University of Maryland; advanced to candidacy in Fall 2022. Her research focuses on designing and implementing math interventions for students with moderate to severe disabilities in general education settings aligned to grade‑level content. She previously taught special education in Maryland for about seven years and has co‑authored three articles with a research team led by her advisor, Dr. Yakubova.

Note: In the interview (recorded early 2022), Melissa describes being a second‑year PhD student preparing for candidacy; she later achieved candidacy in Fall 2022.

Tim and Melissa dig into the gap between research and classroom practice in inclusive education—why we have decades of evidence for social and communication benefits but far less on academic outcomes for students with extensive support needs. They talk candidly about teacher mindsets, alternate assessments, and shifting from chasing “the standard” to measuring growth, and Melissa shares how a middle‑school moment first pushed her toward inclusion advocacy.

Complete notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/melissa-defayette-transitioning-from-teacher-to-researcher-2/

Temple Grandin on Visual Thinking: Why Schools Need Hands-On Learning Jan 19, 2023

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Temple Grandin, PhD — Professor of Animal Science, Colorado State University Dr. Grandin is a renowned author and advocate whose work bridges animal welfare, education, and neurodiversity. She’s written multiple New York Times bestsellers—including Animals in Translation, Animals Make Us Human, The Autistic Brain, and Thinking in Pictures—and her life story was portrayed in the HBO film Temple Grandin starring Claire Danes.

In her newest book, Visual Thinking, she argues that schools and industries undervalue “object visualizers” like herself, calling for the return of hands‑on classes and practical pathways so visual thinkers can thrive—skills she ties directly to real‑world innovation and workforce needs.

Dr. Temple Grandin explains why “visual thinking” matters for students, workplaces, and society—making the case that removing shop and other hands‑on classes has created a skills gap while screening out talented visual thinkers with algebra‑heavy requirements. She shares simple, low‑cost design fixes (from airport accessibility to animal‑welfare audits) and outlines how exposure, mentoring, and flexible pathways help all learners—especially autistic students—build meaningful careers.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/dr-temple-grandin-visual-thinking-2/

Perfectly Imperfect Advocacy: How to Make Inclusion Work in Schools with Ashley Barlow Jan 12, 2023

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Ashley Barlow — Special education attorney practicing in the Greater Cincinnati area (licensed in Kentucky and Ohio), parent and self‑advocate, former K–12 German teacher, and host of Special Education Advocacy with Ashley Barlow. She runs Ashley Barlow Company, which offers reasonably priced resources and digital courses for parents and advocates, and serves as Director of Education at the National Down Syndrome Congress. 1

Tim Villegas — Host of Think Inclusive and Director of Communications at the Maryland Coalition for Inclusive Education (MCIE). A former special education teacher of 16 years, Tim founded Think Inclusive to learn, connect with self‑advocates and educators, and share practical stories about authentic, supported inclusion.

This crossover conversation flips the script: Tim Villegas and Ashley Barlow interview each other about what authentic inclusive education looks like and how to advocate for it—practically, legally, and system‑wide. They unpack how dear colleague letters and policy documents can strengthen IEP advocacy, why placement, membership, participation, and learning must all be present for inclusion to be real, and how “perfectly imperfect” is a healthy mindset for doing the work. They also spotlight district‑level systems change grounded in implementation science and share real‑world examples (like Cecil County Public Schools) where “general education first” is the norm.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/ashley-barlow-perfectly-imperfect-advocacy/