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Beth Liesenfeld on Building Child-Centered, Inclusive IEPs Jun 29, 2023

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Beth Liesenfeld (she/her) — Occupational therapist and founder of The IEP Lab, where she equips parents with “insider” understanding of school processes and culture to make IEP teams more collaborative and child‑centered. She hosts The Parent IEP Lab podcast and offers online workshops and courses for families navigating special education.

Host Tim Villegas talks with Beth Liesenfeld about why IEP meetings often feel inequitable and exhausting—and how a clear vision statement can re‑center teams on inclusive, practical plans that actually support students. They unpack what makes collaboration work (and fail), including communication habits, paraprofessional training, and making specialized instruction happen in general education through real co‑planning time. Beth offers a step‑by‑step way to craft long‑ and short‑term vision statements, plus tips educators can use to advocate for inclusion—even when families or districts are hesitant.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/beth-liesenfeld-the-parent-iep-lab/

How Raúl Krauthausen is Redefining Disability Rights in Germany Jun 22, 2023

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Raul Krauthausen is a renowned disability rights activist, social entrepreneur, and founder of the nonprofit organization Sozialhelden (Social Heroes) in Germany. For more than 15 years, Raul has worked to advance accessibility and inclusion through innovative projects and advocacy. He is best known for creating Wheelmap, a crowdsourced online map that identifies wheelchair-accessible places worldwide, and for his campaigns challenging discriminatory laws and practices in Germany.

Raul is also a prolific communicator—blogger, podcaster, and author—who uses media to shift perceptions about disability. His work spans technology, design thinking, and social change, with a focus on ensuring that inclusion is recognized as a fundamental right, not a privilege. Through initiatives like Broken Lifts (real-time elevator status for public transport) and media guidelines for journalists, Raul continues to push for systemic change and equal opportunities for people with disabilities.

In this episode, Tim Villegas talks with Raul Krauthausen, a German disability rights activist, founder of Sozialhelden (Social Heroes), and creator of Wheelmap, a crowdsourced map for accessible places. Raul shares his journey from attending one of Berlin’s first inclusive schools to becoming a leading advocate for accessibility and inclusion in Germany. The conversation explores cultural differences between the U.S. and Germany regarding inclusion, the role of acceptance, and why inclusion is not “happy land” but a continuous process of learning and equity.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/raul-krauthausen-inclusion-in-germany/

Supporting Students with Disabilities in College: Real Talk with Susan Stone & Kristina Supler Jun 15, 2023

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Susan Stone — Attorney and co-leader of the Student & Athlete Defense Group at KJK in Cleveland. Susan has over 30 years of experience advocating for students, with a focus on special education law and student discipline. She’s also a nationally published author and co-host of Real Talk with Susan and Kristina.

Kristina Supler — Attorney and co-leader of the Student & Athlete Defense Group at KJK. Kristina represents students in academic misconduct and Title IX cases nationwide. She’s passionate about protecting student rights and co-hosts Real Talk with Susan and Kristina.

In this episode, Susan Stone and Kristina Supler share what it’s like to advocate for students with disabilities navigating academic and disciplinary challenges. From IEPs and 504 plans to Title IX cases and college misconduct proceedings, they explain why inclusion requires more than good intentions—it demands real systems of support. They also discuss how their podcast tackles tough parenting and student issues.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/susan-stone-and-kristina-supler-real-talk/

From Barriers to Belonging: Colleen Tomko’s Journey with Kids Together Jun 08, 2023

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Colleen Tomko — Parent advocate, artist, and president of Kids Together, an all-volunteer nonprofit promoting inclusion. A Penn State graduate and Partners in Policymaking alum, Colleen has dedicated her life to ensuring that all children, including her son Shawn, have access to inclusive education and community life.

In this episode, Tim Villegas talks with Colleen Tomko about her lifelong advocacy for inclusive education and community belonging. From founding Kids Together to creating powerful advocacy cartoons, Colleen shares her personal journey, the systemic barriers families face, and why inclusion is a civil rights issue—not just an educational choice.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/colleen-tomko-kids-together/

Reclaiming the Narrative: What Educational Equity Really Means May 25, 2023

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Mirko Chardin is the Chief Equity & Inclusion Officer at Novak Education. He previously served as the founding Head of School at Putnam Avenue Upper School in Cambridge, Massachusetts. He co‑authored Equity by Design: The Power and Promise of UDL with Dr. Katie Novak and facilitates learning on topics such as implicit bias, microaggressions, Universal Design for Learning (UDL), restorative practices, identity, and courageous conversations about race.

In this conversation, Mirko Chardin urges educators and leaders to reclaim the narrative around “equity” by grounding it in clear, shared definitions and everyday practice—what he calls “concept stabilization.” He argues that school is for kids, not adults, and that listening to learner voices and removing barriers must guide decisions at every level. The episode also explores UDL as a framework (not a bag of tips) for building cultures where all learners can become expert learners, supported by leadership that prioritizes humanity, reflection, and authentic impact.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/mirko-chardin-reclaiming-the-narrative-around-educational-equity/

Inclusive Education in Australia: Lessons from Dr. Kate de Bruin May 18, 2023

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Dr. Kate de Bruin — inclusive education academic at Monash University (Melbourne, Australia). Her work focuses on evidence‑informed practices and policies that improve participation and learning for all students, with an emphasis on students with disabilities. She has taught in secondary and higher education, designs inclusive education coursework for Master’s programs, and serves on the academic advisory board of All Means All – The Australian Alliance for Inclusive Education.

Tim and Kate unpack how Australia’s highly decentralised education systems shape inclusion, why segregated “special schools” and units persist, and what accountability gaps mean for students with disabilities. They also dig into Kate’s classroom story—rallying a whole staff to create accessible texts and explicit writing supports—and the mindsets, coaching, and MTSS‑style approaches that help inclusion work in real classrooms.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/dr-kate-de-bruin-inclusive-education-in-australia/

Why AZ Chapman Wrote Cerebral Palsy Party: A Children's Book About Inclusion May 11, 2023

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AZ Chapman is a writer, athlete, and disability advocate from California. Diagnosed with cerebral palsy as a toddler, AZ has navigated life with determination and resilience. She earned her bachelor’s degree in Liberal Studies with a minor in Special Education from California State University East Bay. AZ is also a passionate Special Olympics competitor, having participated in events like swimming, track, basketball, soccer, bocce, bowling, and golf. Her new children’s book, Cerebral Palsy Party, introduces elementary school students to peers with CP in an accessible and engaging way.

In this episode, Tim Villegas interviews AZ Chapman about her debut children’s book Cerebral Palsy Party, which aims to educate young students about cerebral palsy and promote inclusion. AZ shares her personal journey through education, the challenges she faced in middle and high school, and her aspirations to become a special education teacher. The conversation also touches on the importance of kindness, accessibility, and advocacy for people with disabilities.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/az-chapman-cerebral-palsy-party/

Unveiling the Heart of Inclusion: How DEI Transforms Education Forever Apr 27, 2023

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Tim Villegas from the Maryland Coalition for Inclusive Education connects with Simone Morris and Julie Kratz, hosts of the Inclusion School podcast, to explore the intersection of inclusive schools and the diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) space. They discuss the importance of DEI initiatives in schools, strategies for allyship with marginalized groups, and the significance of addressing racism, sexism, homophobia, and ableism with children. They delve into the societal and educational challenges of promoting inclusion and belonging, with insights into disability and diversity awareness in educational settings.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/julie-kratz-and-simone-morris-inclusion-school/

From Segregation to College: Gage Robinson’s Self-Advocacy Journey Apr 20, 2023

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Gage Robinson is a 19-year-old college student at Dakota County Technical College in Rosemount, Minnesota. He’s a passionate self-advocate who fought for his right to inclusive education and now shares his story to inspire others. Gage runs a nonprofit called Gage Gives Back, where he educates about traumatic brain injury and shaken baby syndrome, and supports organizations that helped him succeed. He’s also a public speaker who has presented at regional, national, and international conferences.

In this episode, Gage Robinson shares his journey from being segregated in a self-contained classroom to advocating for his right to attend college alongside his peers. We talk about his due process battle with his school district, his testimony at the Minnesota State Legislature, and what inclusive higher education looks like for him today.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/gage-robinson-a-self-advocacy-story-2/

Beyond Six Seconds: Carolyn Kiel on Neurodiversity and Authentic Inclusion Apr 13, 2023

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Carolyn Kiel is a corporate instructional designer and the host of Beyond 6 Seconds, a podcast that spotlights neurodivergent and disabled entrepreneurs, creators, and advocates. She’s a late‑identified autistic adult who uses her platform to share first‑person stories that challenge stereotypes and expand understanding.

In this conversation, Tim talks with Carolyn about why she started Beyond 6 Seconds, how the show’s name pushes back on snap judgments, and what led her to focus the podcast on neurodiversity. Carolyn shares her journey to a late autism diagnosis, the relief of having language for lifelong experiences, and the habits that help her regulate and work (yes to stim and fidget tools). Together, they dig into what inclusion really looks like: listening first, trusting people’s lived experience, and offering practical accommodations without gatekeeping. For educators, Carolyn’s core message is simple—learn from neurodivergent adults and presume competence, especially for nonspeaking students who may need different communication supports. Listeners will leave with concrete ways to shift classroom mindsets and amplify authentic neurodivergent voices.

Complete show notes and transcript: https://mcie.org/think-inclusive/carolyn-kiel-beyond-six-seconds-2/

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