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    Think Act Be Podcast

    The Think Act Be podcast features conversations about finding happiness, peace, and connection. Clinical psychologist Seth Gillihan talks with his guests about ways to nourish your mind, body, and spirit.

    For one-on-one sessions with Seth Gillihan: sethgillihan.com/1-1-sessions
    For individual psychotherapy (in CA or DC) with Joel Minden: cbtchico.com

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    Ep. 204: Seth & Joel — How to Worry Less So You Can Live More Sep 27, 2023
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    This week I'm continuing my series with Dr. Joel Minden, and there's no one I'd rather talk with about how to handle worry. Joel is a true expert on this topic. He offers a compassionate, realistic, and effective set of tools for worrying less so you can redirect your energy toward living well.

    Specific topics we touched on included:

    • Anxiety vs. worry
    • The implicit goal of anxiety
    • The similarities between obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) and generalized anxiety disorder (GAD)
    • Intolerance of uncertainty
    • Worry as a learned behavior that is reinforced (rewarded), making it more likely to continue
    • Finding alternatives to replace worry
    • The sense of helplessness that can lead to depression
    • Whether worry can ever be productive
    • The value of writing down one’s worries
    • Possible signatures of unproductive worry
    • Shifting attention to what we can control rather than focusing on the uncontrollable
    • The downsides of distraction as a way to deal with anxiety and worry
    • Accepting uncertainty when the outcome would be truly bad
    • Being more specific about one’s worst-case fears
    • Unhelpful distraction vs. more helpful and productive engagement with life
    • Allowing anxiety to “come along for the ride”
    • The role of meditation in dealing with worries
    • Joel’s use of CBT techniques for dealing with his own worry and anxiety

    Joel Minden, PhD, is a clinical psychologist specializing in cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) for anxiety and related disorders.

    He is the author of Show Your Anxiety Who’s Boss (affiliate link), founder of the Chico Center for Cognitive Behavior Therapy, diplomate of The Academy of Cognitive and Behavioral Therapies, and lecturer in the Department of Psychology at California State University, Chico.

    Find Joel online at his website, follow him on Twitter, and read his blog on Psychology Today.


    Get full access to Think Act Be with Seth Gillihan at thinkactbe.substack.com/subscribe

    Ep. 203: Seth & Joel — How Much Can Be Accomplished in One Therapy Session? Sep 20, 2023
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    This week I’m continuing my series with Dr. Joel Minden. This time we discussed how much can be accomplished in a single psychotherapy session. Joel and I explored single-session interventions, one-session treatments for phobias, and sudden gains. Topics we touched on included:

    • Goals for the first therapy session
    • The hope that often follows a first session
    • One as the modal number of therapy sessions
    • Shorter treatment protocols, including single session interventions (SSIs)
    • The work of Dr. Jessica Schleider and her colleagues
      • 2017 meta-analysis
      • 2017 review
      • 2022 randomized clinical trial
    • The value of helping clients develop flexible responses to emotions and strategies for behavioral change
    • The importance of clinical significance, in addition to statistical significance
    • How to interpret an effect
    • One-Session Treatment for phobias, developed by Öst, and the big effect of exposure on anxiety
    • Sudden gains in the course of psychotherapy treatment
    • The interplay between behavioral and cognitive change
    • The advantages of single-session interventions, including scalability

    Joel Minden, PhD, is a clinical psychologist specializing in cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) for anxiety and related disorders.

    He is the author of Show Your Anxiety Who’s Boss (affiliate link), founder of the Chico Center for Cognitive Behavior Therapy, diplomate of The Academy of Cognitive and Behavioral Therapies, and lecturer in the Department of Psychology at California State University, Chico.

    Find Joel online at his website, follow him on Twitter, and read his blog on Psychology Today.


    Get full access to Think Act Be with Seth Gillihan at thinkactbe.substack.com/subscribe

    Ep. 202: Seth & Joel — What Gives Psychotherapy the Power to Make Life Better? Sep 13, 2023
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    My guest once again this week is Dr. Joel Minden. This time we discussed psychotherapy, drawing on the years that each of us has been a therapist. Good therapy has the power to improve thinking patterns, relationships, habits, and even personality, so we explored the unique aspects of the therapy relationship that facilitate these changes. This conversation is the second in a series of several episodes with Joel, with more to come.

    Topics we touched on included:

    • A Washington Post piece that inspired our discussion, “Why I Fired My Therapists” by Foster Kamer
    • Whether it’s productive to “call out” clients in therapy
    • The problem of always being told one is right as a therapy client
    • Trying to match therapists to clients
    • The dialectic of supporting and challenging in therapy
    • Possible developmental shifts across one’s career as a therapist
    • My experience with a supervisor who berated my client
    • Whether there’s a place for telling clients what they need or ought to do
    • Addressing unhelpful patterns of reinforcement
    • Why telling people what to do generally doesn't work
    • Creating different dynamics in therapy from what people tend to experience elsewhere
    • The uniqueness of the therapy relationship among all other relationships
    • The value in just talking through an issue in order to arrive at a solution
    • The actual self vs. idealized self
    • The risk in being one’s authentic self

    Joel Minden, PhD, is a clinical psychologist specializing in cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) for anxiety and related disorders.

    He is the author of Show Your Anxiety Who’s Boss, founder of the Chico Center for Cognitive Behavior Therapy, diplomate of The Academy of Cognitive and Behavioral Therapies, and lecturer in the Department of Psychology at California State University, Chico.

    Find Joel online at his website, follow him on Twitter, and read his blog on Psychology Today.


    Get full access to Think Act Be with Seth Gillihan at thinkactbe.substack.com/subscribe

    Ep. 201: Seth & Joel — What If You Don't Need to Fix Yourself? Sep 06, 2023
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    My guest this week is Dr. Joel Minden, a regular on the Think Act Be podcast. This time we switched roles and Joel interviewed me, mostly about my approach to therapy that I describe in my latest book, Mindful Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (affiliate link). This conversation is the first in a series of several episodes with Joel, so stay tuned for more to come.

    Topics we touched on included:

    • The traditional approach in cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT)
    • The medical model of therapy
    • My background in mindfulness
    • The book Shambhala: The Sacred Path of the Warrior (affiliate link)
    • Parallels between my religious practices as a kid and my early experiences with meditation
    • Mindfulness practice as more than another “technique” for feeling better
    • Allowing oneself to experience difficult emotions instead of trying to get rid of them
    • The challenge in not fighting against our experience
    • The manageability of the moment
    • How cognitive work can support mindfulness practice
    • Contentment that doesn't depend on one’s circumstances
    • Letting go of the struggle against the struggle
    • Feeling bad about “not being mindful enough”
    • My decision to self-disclose about my own struggles
    • The necessity of honesty in any healthy relationship
    • Humor in the context of mindfulness, and taking things less seriously
    • Mindfulness in action, and the value of finding stillness

    Joel Minden, PhD, is a clinical psychologist specializing in cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) for anxiety and related disorders.

    He is the author of Show Your Anxiety Who’s Boss (affiliate link), founder of the Chico Center for Cognitive Behavior Therapy, diplomate of The Academy of Cognitive and Behavioral Therapies, and lecturer in the Department of Psychology at California State University, Chico.

    Find Joel online at his website, follow him on Twitter, and read his blog on Psychology Today.


    Get full access to Think Act Be with Seth Gillihan at thinkactbe.substack.com/subscribe

    Ep. 200: Matt Zemon — How Psychedelics Can Transform the Mind and Improve Well-Being Aug 30, 2023
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    My guest this week is Matt Zemon, editor of the excellent new book Psychedelics for Everyone: A Beginner’s Guide to These Powerful Medicines for Anxiety, Depression, Addiction, PTSD, and Expanding Consciousness (affiliate link). Matt also contributed several chapters to this book. This conversation is a great introduction to the world of psychedelics, and Matt is an excellent guide. He’s knowledgeable, compassionate, and he presents a balanced view of the potential place of psychedelics in our lives.

    Topics we discussed included:

    • What Matt means by “psychedelics for everyone” means
    • The positive effects of psychedelics on a wide range of psychiatric conditions, especially those involving repetitive mental patterns
    • Breaking old patterns of brain activity and creating new ones
    • How psychedelics might have their powerful and lasting positive effects
    • Effects of psychedelics in the spiritual domain
    • Some of my guest’s spiritual experiences with psychedelics
    • Different reasons that people approach psychedelic experimentation and use, including medical, spiritual, and libertarian
    • Navigating the legal restrictions on psychedelic use
    • Psychedelic churches
    • Possible adverse effects of taking psychedelics
    • David Nutt’s study on risk of harm from different psychoactive substances (create a free account with Lancet to view the full article)
    • The possible role of fear and anxiety on reactions to psychedelics
    • The side effects of psychedelics vs. those of existing prescription medications
    • Paying attention to source, set, and setting
    • People who should definitely not take a psychedelic substance
    • SpiritPharmacist.com for medical consults and to discuss potential psychedelic use

    Matt Zemon, MSc, is a dedicated explorer of the inner world, and a passionate advocate for the thoughtful and responsible use of psychedelics.

    With a Master of Science in Psychology and Neuroscience of Mental Health with honors from King’s College London, Matt has studied the effects of psychedelics on the mind and the potential for these experiences to serve as a catalyst for positive transformations.

    His work in this field is motivated by a profound desire to help people navigate the sometimes challenging terrain of the psychedelic experience, and emerge from it with a deeper sense of purpose, connection, and understanding—to reclaim their true self.

    As an entrepreneur in the wellbeing sector, Matt has co-founded various companies, including:

    • HAPPŸŸ, a mental wellness company specializing in psychedelic-assisted ketamine therapy
    • PSYCHABLE, an online community connecting people who would like to explore the healing power of psychedelics with a network of practitioners and psychedelic-based treatments
    • TAKE2MINUTES, a nonprofit dedicated to helping individuals improve their mental health and wellbeing.

    For more information visit his website, find him on LinkedIn or Instagram, or contact Matt with your questions. You can order his excellent journal for psychedelic preparation and integration here: Beyond the Trip (affiliate link).


    Get full access to Think Act Be with Seth Gillihan at thinkactbe.substack.com/subscribe

    Ep. 199: Thomas Moore — How Can Emptiness Make Your Life More Fulfilling? Aug 23, 2023
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    My guest this week is Thomas Moore, a psychotherapist and author of a new book entitled The Eloquence of Silence: Surprising Wisdom in Tales of Emptiness(affiliate link). I was so pleased to have the opportunity to speak with Thomas, since I’ve appreciated his work for about 25 years, going back to Care of the Soul.

    Topics we discussed included:

    • The role of emptiness in religion and spirituality
    • The possibilities that emerge with emptiness
    • Fostering emptiness as emptiness, not as a space to fill
    • Qualities of emptiness that we often recognize and appreciate in others
    • Dropping the anxious additions we often bring to our interactions
    • The emptiness in good acting
    • Finding the narratives that support unhelpful behaviors
    • Everyday examples of emptiness in our lives
    • Silence in the therapy room
    • Finding meaning in or through emptiness
    • Nicholas of Cusa, author of Sacred Ignorance
    • The value in recognizing how little we know
    • Emptying our concept of what we call “God”
    • Unlearning enough that one is ready to teach
    • Allowing emptiness to be empty
    • Finding that life empties you regularly
    • The disappointments that empty us out—and prepare us for an important change in our lives
    • The difficulty in leaving space in our lives, and the importance of lessening busyness
    • The close association of desire and soul
    • The quiet that seems to have characterized my guest’s life
    • The origins of Thomas’s fear of the water
    • Thomas’s appreciation for the creative individuals in his family, including his wife Joan Hanley’s paintings; daughter Siobhán Moore, also known as the musician Ajeet; and stepson and architect Abraham Bendheim

    Thomas Moore is the author of The Eloquence of Silence and 24 other books about bringing soul to our personal lives and culture.

    He wrote the #1 New York Times bestseller Care of the Soul (affiliate link).

    Thomas has been a Catholic monk and university professor and is also a psychotherapist influenced mainly by C. G. Jung and James Hillman.

    His work brings together spirituality, mythology, depth psychology, and the arts, emphasizing the importance of images and imagination.

    For more information visit his website.


    Get full access to Think Act Be with Seth Gillihan at thinkactbe.substack.com/subscribe

    Ep. 198: Dr. Noam Shpancer — Why Are So Many Young People Struggling, and What Can Be Done? Aug 09, 2023
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    My guest this week is psychologist Dr. Noam Shpancer, author of the novel The Good Psychologist (affiliate link). We explored the ongoing crisis in mental health among young people, and discussed possible ways to address it. I really enjoyed talking with Noam and hearing his insights and nuanced perspective on these issues.


    Get full access to Think Act Be with Seth Gillihan at thinkactbe.substack.com/subscribe

    Ep. 197: Dr. Steve Hayes 2 — Deliberately Diving into All That Life Holds Jul 19, 2023
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    My guest this week is Dr. Steve Hayes, one of the most influential psychologists of our time. The first time I had Steve on the podcast back in 2020 we discussed the fundamentals of Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT). This time you’ll see what those ideas look like in action. The second half of our discussion is Steve leading me through a series of invitations and explorations. It was a pretty incredible experience that I can’t really capture by trying to describe it, so I’m glad I can share it with you in this episode.


    Get full access to Think Act Be with Seth Gillihan at thinkactbe.substack.com/subscribe

    Ep. 196: Dr. Mark Gregory Karris — How to Overcome Harmful Beliefs About God, Yourself, and the Afterlife Jul 05, 2023
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    My guest this week is Dr. Mark Karris, author of the new book, The Diabolical Trinity: Healing Religious Trauma From a Wrathful God, Tormenting Hell, and a Sinful Self. Mark shared about the damaging effects this trio of doctrines can have on people, himself included, and how to heal.

    Topics we discussed included:

    • How certain religious beliefs themselves can be traumatic, apart from abusive, authoritarian leaders
    • Differing effects of indoctrination in these beliefs early in life vs. later
    • My guest’s own traumatic religious experiences
    • Anxiety related to the belief in hell and “eternal conscious torment”
    • The question of why some people have trauma reactions to these beliefs and other don’t
    • Possible effects of the family or church environment in which diabolical beliefs were taught
    • The similarities between some depictions of God and abusive partners
    • A wrathful god as a possible vengeful projection of believers
    • Seeing through persistent gut-level beliefs from harmful religious doctrines
    • The practices Mark offers for healing from religious trauma
    • The opportunity cost of not learning about a loving divine presence
    • People who don’t want anything to do with even a benevolent deity
    • The doctrine of universalism, that “love wins in the end”
    • Different ways of understanding hell within the Christian tradition
    • What my guest believes about God now

    Get full access to Think Act Be with Seth Gillihan at thinkactbe.substack.com/subscribe

    Ep. 195: Thomas Sterner — How to Break Free from Unconscious Mental Programming Jun 21, 2023
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    My guest this week is Thomas Sterner, whose latest book is It’s Just a Thought (affiliate link). As you know, your thoughts aren’t always helpful or true. In this conversation Tom and I talked about how to change your relationship with thoughts, which I think about a lot as CBT therapist. Just knowing that we’re thinking is a huge part of what’s helpful, but awareness alone is usually not enough. We need specific ways to practice new thinking. Tom shares some really interesting techniques for developing more helpful thought patterns.


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