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Therefore, what?

Boyd Matheson interviews national and Utah state thought leaders on the issues that are shaping our world.

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Former Governor Gary R. Herbert on vital lessons and critical strategies from his season of service Mar 03, 2021

In a day when so-called leaders reign with iron-fisted, command and control, top-down approaches – Utah’s former governor says the fastest way to the top is bottom. Gary R. Herbert, who served 12 years as Utah’s 17th Governor shares vital lessons and critical strategies from his season of service. Lessons every leader should learn on this episode of “Therefore, what?”

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Robert Putnam and Shaylyn Romney Garrett on, The Upswing: How America Came Together a Century Ago and How We Can Do It Again Feb 22, 2021

America is more technologically connected than at any point in history. Yet, social capital seems to be in decline, political divisions run deep, communities are crumbling, and the country appears to be more narcissistic and fragmented than ever before. Robert Putnam, the Malkin Research Professor of Public Policy at Harvard University and author of Bowling Alone: The Collapse and Revival of American Community, and Shaylyn Romney Garrett, writer and founding contributor to Weave: The Social Fabric Project are co-authors of The Upswing: How America Came Together a Century Ago and How We Can Do It Again. Today with Boyd they discuss if the answer to what ails society is found in the “We” of “We the people,” on this episode of "Therefore, What?”

Want more Boyd? Listen to KSL Newsradio's "Inside Sources with Boyd Matheson," Monday through Thursday from 11 am to noon at 1160 AM and 102.7 FM, online at KSLNewsradio.com, or on the KSL Newsradio App, or on-demand as a podcast. Sign up for his weekly newsletter and follow him on Twitter. Produced by KellieAnn Halvorsen.

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Former National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster makes the case for strategic empathy Feb 10, 2021

When discussing foreign relations, national security, and America's role in the world, conversations tend to drift towards words like might strength, weapons, sanctions, and capability. What if that clearly narcissistic approach was actually making international matters worse? And what if the better approach was centered in empathy? Would anyone believe it? or listen to it? Former National Security Adviser HR McMaster makes the case for strategic empathy on this episode of "Therefore, What?"

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Robert Doar president of American Enterprise Institute on the principles that lead to the American dream of opportunity and upward mobility Feb 01, 2021

Many organizations have struggled in the midst of the pandemic. Think tanks and policy shops are the places where hallway conversations, events, and gatherings, are not just nice; they're absolutely necessary. Robert Doar, president of American Enterprise Institute (AEI) discusses how AEI is thriving, succeeding, and expanding its reach and influence even amid a pandemic. Beyond organizational success, Robert discusses the principles that lead to the most American of dreams; opportunity and upward mobility. These topics and more on this episode of "Therefore, What?"

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True Criminal Justice Reform Begins with Accountability Jan 27, 2021

Politicians and pundits love to talk about criminal justice reform and important progress has and continues to be made to root out racism and bias in law enforcement and sentencing. But according to a group of former long time felons and drug addicts who have over 400 arrests between them and over 150 years of combined incarceration, true criminal justice reform begins with accountability. True accountability they say is the essence of true compassion. Founder of The Other Side Academy, bestselling author and behavioral influence strategist Joseph Granny joins us on this special edition of "Therefore, what?"

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The Audacity of Abundant Creativity with Daniel Harmon Dec 28, 2020

In a day of cutthroat competition, scarcity mentality, and zero-sum thinking, one advertising agency is doing it differently. Harmon Brothers chief creative officer Daniel Harmon shares a behind-the-scenes look at the principles that drive their unprecedented success and how they shared those principles in an extraordinary #PoopToGold contest. The advertising agencies' mindest and marketing tips are benefiting fellow businesses like the winner of the contest, GoTreads. Check it out on this episode of "Therefore, what?"

Want more Boyd? Listen to KSL Newsradio’s “Inside Sources with Boyd Matheson,” Monday through Thursday from 11 am to noon at 1160 AM and 102.7 FM, online at KSLNewsradio.com, or on the KSL Newsradio App, or on-demand as a podcast. Sign up for his weekly newsletter and follow him on Twitter.

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Behind the Beginnings of "The Chosen" Dec 21, 2020

In a world that is starving for content that is fitting for children in our homes, VidAngel has played a critical role, but not always a successful role through failures through opposition and through connection. They're creating something that is sweeping the globe, ironically a series focused on the life of Jesus Christ called "The Chosen," with a crowdsource funding mechanism and a pay-it-forward model. They are literally changing entertainment today. VidAngel CEO Neil Harmon joins us on this edition of "Therefore, What?"

Want more Boyd? Listen to KSL Newsradio’s “Inside Sources with Boyd Matheson,” Monday through Thursday from 11 am to noon at 1160 AM and 102.7 FM, online at KSLNewsradio.com, or on the KSL Newsradio App, or on-demand as a podcast. Sign up for his weekly newsletter and follow him on Twitter.

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Behind the Headline: McKay Coppins from The Atlantic talks about his article on The Church of Jesus Chris of Latter-day Saints Dec 16, 2020

McKay Coppins, staff writer for The Atlantic, writes a front-page deep-dive feature on The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He posits that for more than 200 years the church has tried to assimilate into America only to find the country in an identity crisis. Coppins takes a look at what the third century will look like for the faith. McKay joins us for a special edition of "Therefore What?"

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Room Here founders on improving mental fitness in the workplace Dec 08, 2020

Mental health struggles naturally spill into the workplace, especially in a pandemic, they affect job performance, engagement, communication abilities, and physical capabilities. All of these things impact businesses, individuals, families, and communities. One business is determined to take the “Mental Illness” conversation and turn it into “Mental Fitness.” Room Here is a nonprofit organization focused on mental fitness and healthier minds at work. Cofounders Trent Mano and Rachel Merrill, join us to tackle that crucial conversation of mental wellness at work on this episode of “Therefore, What?”

“Therefore, What?” Is a weekly podcast that breaks down the news, while breaking down barriers, challenges you and the status quo, explores timeless topics and timeless principles and leaves you confident to face what's next. Host and Deseret News opinion editor Boyd Matheson shares his thoughtful perspective on issues at the heart of American political civic life.

Want more Boyd? Listen to KSL Newsradio’s “Inside Sources with Boyd Matheson,” Monday through Thursday from 11 am to noon at 1160 AM and 102.7 FM, online at KSLNewsradio.com, or on the KSL Newsradio App, or on-demand as a podcast. Sign up for his weekly newsletter and follow him on Twitter.

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Transforming lives through higher education: BYU Pathway Worldwide President Clark Gilbert Oct 26, 2020

As many institutions of higher education are struggling with the impact of the pandemic and disruption to centuries-old education models, one institution, BYU Pathway Worldwide, is growing at an extraordinary pace, reaching over 50,000 students in 150 countries. Clark Gilbert, president of BYU Pathway Worldwide, joins us to discuss how they are unlocking and unleashing human potential around the world on this episode of "Therefore, What?"

“Therefore, What?” Is a weekly podcast that breaks down the news, while breaking down barriers, challenges you and the status quo, explores timeless topics and timeless principles and leaves you confident to face what's next. Host and Deseret News opinion editor Boyd Matheson shares his thoughtful perspective on issues at the heart of American political civic life.

Want more Boyd? Listen to KSL Newsradio’s “Inside Sources with Boyd Matheson,” Monday through Thursday from 11 am to noon at 1160 AM and 102.7 FM, online at KSLNewsradio.com, or on the KSL Newsradio App, or on-demand as a podcast. Sign up for his weekly newsletter and follow him on Twitter.

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A Look at Mr Rogers' Legacy of Letters with Court Mann Oct 22, 2020

Texts, tweets, emails and social media messages drive our days. In the midst of a pandemic, more and more people are feeling disconnected, isolated and alone. Reconnecting and building meaningful relationships may only be one neighborhood away or one world famous neighbor away. Journalist Court Mann takes us inside the legacy of connecting personal letters from Fred Rogers, "Mr. Rogers" to thousands of neighbors he never met but who he touched deeply. All of that and more on this episode of "Therefore, What?"

“Therefore, What?” Is a weekly podcast that breaks down the news, while breaking down barriers, challenges you and the status quo, explores timeless topics and timeless principles and leaves you confident to face what's next. Host and Deseret News opinion editor Boyd Matheson shares his thoughtful perspective on issues at the heart of American political civic life.

Want more Boyd? Listen to KSL Newsradio’s “Inside Sources with Boyd Matheson,” Monday through Thursday from 11 am to noon at 1160 AM and 102.7 FM, online at KSLNewsradio.com, or on the KSL Newsradio App, or on-demand as a podcast. Sign up for his weekly newsletter and follow him on Twitter.

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For the Right Reason Sep 08, 2020

In a cynical world where the motives of business and politicians are regularly called into question, is it possible to lead and live for all the right reasons? Learn 12 timeless principles for living a life of harmony with USANA CEO Kevin Guest on this special episode of "Therefore, What?"

“Therefore, What?” Is a weekly podcast that breaks down the news, while breaking down barriers, challenges you and the status quo, explores timeless topics and timeless principles and leaves you confident to face what's next. Host and Deseret News opinion editor Boyd Matheson shares his thoughtful perspective on issues at the heart of American political civic life.

Want more Boyd? Listen to KSL Newsradio’s “Inside Sources with Boyd Matheson,” Monday through Thursday from 11 am to noon at 1160 AM and 102.7 FM, online at KSLNewsradio.com, or on the KSL Newsradio App, or on-demand as a podcast. Sign up for his weekly newsletter and follow him on Twitter.

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Freedom from Politics Sep 02, 2020

Labor Day is typically the beginning of the fall political season. This year, one prominent political organization is challenging the nation to stop talking politics for 24 hours and instead celebrate America. Find out more on this episode of "Therefore, What?"

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Is America Broken - Dr. Jim White Aug 24, 2020

Our nation seems to be more fractured than ever before. The global pandemic has not served to unite Americans against a deadly common foe, the coronavirus, but instead we become further divided along political lines. Party lines, civil unrest and economic uncertainty have all created a broken America rather than work to heal the wounds. It seems that current political leadership as well as general discourse in the media and the American public is widening the gulf between us in terms of getting real results. Join us today for a look at "Broken America, 10 guiding principles to restore America," with Dr. Jim White on this episode of "Therefore, What?"

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Moonshot Challenge: Our quest to quell the pandemic Jul 16, 2020

Over the past four months, Utahns, Americans and citizens around the world have attempted to deal with novel coronavirus. States and nations have struggled mightily with what to do, what government mandates were needed or necessary and how to get individuals and communities to take appropriate action. It is time for citizens to come together for 55 days for a big challenge - moonshot big. From now until Labor Day join us for our 55-day Moonshot challenge: Our quest to quell the pandemic. Moonshot.deseret.com

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The case for Religious Liberty around the World - Gayle Manchin Jun 22, 2020

Freedom of religion or belief is an expansive right. That includes the freedoms of thought, conscience, expression, association and assembly. In America, religious freedom is considered a first freedom. Yet it is not so around the world. And in many places, this core human right is the subject of great persecution. Today, we talked to Gayle Manchin, vice chairwoman of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom, on this episode of "Therefore, What?"

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Essentialism: The disciplined pursuit of less with Greg McKeown Jun 15, 2020

Countless individuals feel overcommitted, overworked and overloaded. Many are exhausted by trying to do more. Guilt comparisons and attempting to have it all weigh heavy on hearts, minds and souls. Could the solution be found in doing less? The author of New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestseller "Essentialism" — Greg McKeown — joins us to explore the disciplined pursuit of less on this episode of "Therefore, What?"

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Cultivating generosity and making miracles with Rabbi Yehuda Gurwitz Jun 08, 2020

A global pandemic, civil unrest and economic uncertainty have swept the nation. Despite such challenges more people are giving more than ever before. Rabbi Yehuda Gurwitz, CEO of Charidy.com, is out to make the impossible possible by cultivating a spirit of generosity. Join us for an inspiring conversation on this episode of "Therefore, What?"

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Everyone needs a "Shark" and a Mentor - "Shark Tanks" Kevin Harrington Jun 03, 2020

Everyone at some point in their career needs a shark. Well, everyone needs a mentor to be sure. Kevin Harrington actually is both an original shark on the hit TV show "Shark Tank." Kevin knows what it takes to mentor entrepreneurs and individuals on the journey to excellence and ultimate success. Learn from this legendary entrepreneur on this episode of "Therefore, What?"

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Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich: Pandemic Lessons from Rome May 06, 2020

It has been said that ideas go booming through the world like cannons, thoughts are mightier than armies and principles have achieved more victories than horsemen or chariots. Inspiring ideas, transformational thoughts and powerful principles are exactly what America and the world need in the midst of the novel coronavirus pandemic. So today we turn to one of the world’s great thinkers, historically principled idea guys and the ultimate policy entrepreneur. Former Speaker of the United States House of Representatives Newt Gingrich joins us from Rome, Italy, for a deep dive, elevating conversation – on this episode of “Therefore, what?”

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Lead from the Future with Mark Johnson Apr 27, 2020

Many individuals and organizations are hunkering down in the midst of the current coronavirus crisis and economic upheaval. The essential trait for leading a business, community or country through a crisis is vision. Author and business strategist Mark Johnson joins us to discuss his new book, "Lead from the Future" – on this episode of “Therefore, What?”

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Astronaut Scott Kelly: Out of this world advice for our time Apr 22, 2020

The coronavirus pandemic has challenged global leaders and individual citizens on many levels. Focus, resilience, endurance and leadership are traits critical to survive and thrive in the midst of uncertainty. Astronaut Scott Kelly shares his strategies for navigating the extreme challenges of long-term spaceflight, isolation from loved ones, the pressure of high-risk situations and the mental toughness to take on challenges beyond your control. Gravity-defying wisdom, grounded in earthly insight for our times — all on this episode of "Therefore, What?"

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BYU basketball coach Mark Pope: COVID-19, March Sadness and the only question that matters Mar 26, 2020

Coping with change, dealing with difficulties and creating a culture of excellence are critical leadership skills. BYU head basketball coach Mark Pope applies these principles for his players, the team's fans and for the community. Today he shares important lessons that transcend sports and apply to the challenges of the coronavirus world. All on this episode of "Therefore, What?"

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Does COVID-19 bring a 'new normal'? No way! Mar 19, 2020

The novel coronavirus has changed many things for many citizens around the world. But does COVID-19 bring with it a "new normal?" I say, “No way!” Join me for some perspective on where we are and what comes next on this special episode of “Therefore, What?”

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The Power of Story: VeggieTale creator Phil Vischer Mar 02, 2020

Parenting has never been more challenging. Technology, social media and today’s mainstream culture are undermining morals and values while elevating narcissism and disbelief. It is increasingly difficult for children to learn the principles of character and the power of faith in a morally-relative world. Phil Vischer is an author, speaker, filmmaker, voice actor and creator of the wildly successful Christian children's series VeggieTales®. Phil joins us today to discuss his latest work along with his proven resources and strategies for teaching critical principles to the next generation – on this episode of “Therefore, what?”

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Back to the moon and on to Mars: NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine Feb 24, 2020

America's space program has often captured the imagination of the nation and galvanized the country in a common goal. NASA is entering a new phase of exploration with new leadership. Jim Bridenstine is NASA's 13th administrator and joins us to share his vision of why exploring the galaxies still matters today, how women will lead the next mission to the moon and the path to taking America to Mars.

All this and more on this episode of "Therefore, What?"

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Restoring Trust: Dr. David Miller Feb 18, 2020

Trust is at an all-time low. Trust in businesses, institutions, public leaders and even in individuals seem to be broken beyond repair. Dr. David Miller, director of the Princeton University Faith & Work Initiative, has searched the world's wisdom traditions for ways to repair trust. Join us for a fascinating look at the principles that can restore and strengthen trust on this episode of "Therefore, What?"

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A History Lesson for the Future: Conversation with presidential historian Doris Kearns Goodwin Nov 11, 2019

Nothing is more vital in the midst of turbulent times than great leadership. Doris Kearns Goodwin has spent her career studying the lives of American presidents and gleaning the lessons from great historic figures. She is a world-renowned presidential historian, public speaker and Pulitzer Prize-winning, New York Times' No. 1 bestselling author. Join us for a fascinating look back at history, with a focus on the principles of leadership, and a look forward into the future of freedom on this episode of "Therefore, What?"

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A New Heart: Paul Cardall Sep 24, 2019

It has been said that it's the space between the bars that holds the tiger. And it's the silence between the notes that makes the music. It is out of the silence, or "the gap," or that space between our thoughts, that everything is created — including our own bliss. Join me to explore that space — the space between heartbeats and an actual beating heart, where award-winning pianist and composer Paul Cardall — on the 10th anniversary of receiving a heart transplant — has discovered music that brings the peace that can heal the human heart. Discover the story, insight, passion and principles behind a most amazing human and extraordinary musician — on this episode of “Therefore, What?”

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Building high trust organizations: Jet Blue Chairman Joel Peterson Sep 17, 2019

The state of trust in America seems to be in freefall. Trust in government, big business and large institutions has unraveled. Distrust has begun to fray the fabric of society and erode trust in community, neighbors and even between individuals. True leaders recognize that a culture of trust is not just a nice to have HR program. A culture of trust is key to innovation, excellence and sustainable success. Legendary leader and entrepreneur Joel Peterson, chairman of JetBlue Airways and founding partner of the investment management firm Peterson Partners, shares his 10 laws of trust on this episode of "Therefore, What."

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Is America worth celebrating? Jul 02, 2019

In a divisive and tumultuous time, is America still worth celebrating or emulating?

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Influencer: How to drive, lead and let change Jun 25, 2019

Business, political and community leaders are constantly faced with the challenge of how to best impact the behavior of those they lead. Solving big issues for individuals, organizations and society as a whole requires more than strong-armed efforts to control behavior. World renowned author and change agent Joseph Grenny reveals a better way to create rapid change and lasting change as he shares the essential components of transformational influence, all on this episode of "Therefore, What?"

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I'm recovered: Belief systems and behavior Jun 18, 2019

Addiction in all its forms is inflicting damage on individuals, families and communities in epidemic proportions. The scourge has been met with myriad methods, treatments and programs. Sadly, relapse is more common than recovery. Can changing the mental framing for current alcoholics or those addicted to or dependent on drugs change the game? Todd Sylvester offers hope healing and a path to transcending current negative behavior on this episode of "Therefore, What?"

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George Will: The Conservative Sensability Jun 11, 2019

Troubling trends are eroding the strength of the American family, trust in the institutions of government and confidence in America's future. George Will takes a look back while providing a critical look ahead in his new book, "The Conservative Sensibility." This is a clarion call for substantive thinking, at a time when Americans are hungry for strong leadership and a renewed debate for the soul of our country.

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Choosing to climb Jun 04, 2019

Most of us will never attempt to scale Mount Everest or even the Matterhorn, but we all face mountains in our lives, real challenges that require real discipline and real skills. We'll talk about what it takes to climb the world's highest point with Greg Paul on this edition of "Therefore, What?"

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Therefore, what drives Boyd Matheson? May 15, 2019

Every day, tens of thousands of Americans have access to words shared by Boyd Matheson. Some have his words delivered to their front porch or bookmarked on their web browser, others access him via his daily radio show while still others access him on-demand interviewing some of the nation's greatest thought leaders in this, his weekly podcast, "Therefore, What?" But, who is Boyd Matheson? How did this college dropout go on to to be the head of the Sutherland Institute, chief of staff for Utah Sen. Mike Lee, become a regular contributor on CNN and FOX News and end up becoming the opinion editor of the Deseret News? What were the lessons and principles that made him who he is today, and as we celebrate the first 50 episodes of his podcast, what were his biggest takeaways and "therefore" moments.
That and more on this episode of "Therefore, What?"

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Faith is not blind - Elder and Sister Hafen May 07, 2019

In a world of uncertainty, we often encounter unexpected questions and complexities that can challenge our faith. Faith in God, faith in ourselves and faith in the people around us can be undermined in the midst of such unexpected questions and complexities. Bruce and Marie Hafen join us to offer fresh concepts and timeless tools with their new book, "Faith is Not Blind," on this episode of "Therefore, What?"

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Listening louder than you sing - Lessons from Tabernacle Choir Directors Apr 30, 2019

Music is a universal language which transcends culture and nationality. For more than a century, the Tabernacle Choir at Temple Square has used that language to influence millions around the world. The 360 voices, the orchestra, under the influence of two dynamic directors, demonstrate how a volunteer organization can achieve the extraordinary. Music director Mac Wilberg and associate music director Ryan Murphy join us for a unique conversation about leadership, inspiration and the transformational power of music on this episode of "Therefore, What?"

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Our Lost Declaration - Senator Mike Lee Apr 24, 2019

Abuses of federal power, including federal overreach and over-regulation, balance of power between the legislative and executive branches, along with issues within the judicial system are rampant. All the issues appear rooted in the neglect of the Declaration of Independence. Could rediscovering the declaration renew the nation and restore power to the people? Utah's senior senator, Sen. Mike Lee, explores the issue on this edition of "Therefore, What?"

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Relentless: BYU Basketball Coach Mark Pope Apr 16, 2019

Coaching a Division I basketball program contains countless lessons for life and business. Building a culture of excellence, overcoming adversity, grittiness and determination, and even a broken chair during an interview provide important perspective and powerful principles. Mark Pope, the new head coach of Brigham Young University's men's basketball program, joins us on this episode of "Therefore, What?"

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The Second Mountain - David Brooks Apr 09, 2019

We live in a society that celebrates freedom and a selfie culture where self-interest and looking out for No. 1 is all that matters. America has taken rugged individualism to the extreme, and in the process, the social fabric of the country has been rent. Hatred, fragmentation and disconnection in our society is not just a political problem. It stems from some moral and spiritual crisis. Could the path to repair possibly be found through making deeper commitments? Author of "The Second Mountain," David Brooks, joins us to discuss what can happen when we put commitment making at the center of our lives on this episode of "Therefore, What?"

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The Pursuit - with Arthur Brooks Apr 02, 2019

Divisive politicians, screaming heads on TV, angry campus activists, Twitter trolls. In America today there is an outrage industrial complex that prospers big time while setting Americans against each other. New York Times bestselling author and social scientist Arthur Brooks joins us to discuss "Love Your Enemies," a possible solution on this week's edition of "Therefore, What?"

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Sheri Dew: Insights from a Prophet's Life Apr 02, 2019

History is made of individual biographies. It is the work of the biographer to capture the principles that make that history possible. Sheri Dew is the Executive Vice President and Chief Content Officer of Deseret Management Corporation. She's a best-selling author and the biographer for three presidents of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Today, Sheri Dew discusses her latest biography, "Insights From a Prophet's Life: Russell M. Nelson" on this episode of "Therefore, What?"

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Can innovation lift nations out of poverty? Mar 26, 2019

Global poverty is one of the world's most vexing problems. For decades, billions of dollars have been raised, donated and spent on poverty efforts with little long term-success or gains. Is there a better way to improve lives and sustain freedom and prosperity? The answer may be found in what is called "The Prosperity "Paradox. Lean in and learn how innovation can lift nations out of poverty and propel entrepreneurs to sustainable success on this episode of "Therefore, What?"

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Innovating Higher Education Mar 19, 2019

Higher education costs are soaring. Many students are leaving college buried in debt and ill-prepared to compete in a global economy. Elite schools seemed attainable only to the wealthy and the well-connected. Is there a better way to meet the needs of 21st-century students? Scott Pulsipher, president of Western Governors University, talks higher education innovation on this episode of "Therefore, What?"

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Fabric of character is the best investment Mar 12, 2019

America faces a multitude of challenges, including intergenerational poverty, an opioid epidemic, overcrowded prisons, the breakdown of nuclear families, capable yet unemployed men, political tribalism and the loss of institutions of civil society. Could character be the solution? When looking to influence behavior, could a focus on the principles of character bring about greater change? Anne Snyder explores the transformative power of institutions committed to character-driven development on this episode of "Therefore, What.

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America's best days are ahead of us Mar 04, 2019

The American people are longing for leaders to fill the role of statesman and stateswoman. Sadly, leaders willing to put people and principles before party and politics are vanishing from view on the national stage. Former United States Sen. Joe Lieberman, a true statesman, shares his insight on political courage, bipartisan collaboration, faith in the public square, and lessons from a lifetime of public service on this episode of “Therefore, what?”

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Alienated America Feb 25, 2019

People across the country believe the American dream is no longer attainable. Growing inequality, economic immobility, political strife, the national crisis of addiction, undermine the confidence of ordinary American every day. Could it be that the deterioration of the America dream is not the result of economics, but the collapse of civic institutions such as marriage, community groups and religious organizations? Tim Carney joins us to discuss causes and solutions from his book "Alienated America" on this episode of, "Therefore, What"?

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Educating to uniqueness Feb 20, 2019

Public education remains a major concern for the vast majority of Americans. Some call for massive federal investments, others for strictly local control. Few recognize that what is truly needed is not the destruction of public education, but the transformation of public education. With an eye toward individualization, every kid down every street in America should have the opportunity to learn in a way that unlocks his or her potential. A discussion on the future of education on this episode of, Therefore, What? Christine Cooke is director of education policy at Sutherland Institute. She worked as an English teacher at a public school and a residential treatment center prior to becoming an attorney. Sign up to get each episode of this weekly podcast delivered to your inbox. Sign Up Here

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Lessons from Ronald Reagan and his ranch Feb 13, 2019

Leadership is lacking in Washington and across the nation. Young people are drifting from the principles and values that have shaped America from its founding. Legacies born of big ideas, civil debate, open dialogue and American optimism seem to be fading from the public square and the collective memory of the country. Ronald Reagan was the happy warrior and the great communicator. He was a president who challenged citizens to believe in themselves as well as their neighbors. Andrew Coffin, director of the Reagan Ranch and vice president of Young America's Foundation joins us to discuss the return of Reaganesque leadership, preservation of a legacy worth keeping and instilling principles in the rising generation on this episode of, Therefore, What? Sign up to get each episode of this weekly podcast delivered to your inbox. Sign Up Here

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Perfectly depressed: Lessons from Jane Clayson Johnson Feb 06, 2019

Anxiety and depression along with the social stigma they carry continue to vex and plague the nation. Many needlessly suffer in silence. America and countries around the world need to engage in a different kind of conversation about mental health. Former CBS & ABC News journalist Jane Clayson Johnson shares her experience and critical insight from her book Silent Souls Weeping: Depression, Sharing Stories, Finding Hope on this episode of, Therefore, what?

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State of the Union: Boyd Matheson Feb 05, 2019

For many years, I have tasked myself with a simple exercise every January write a State of the Union address. It has never been an attempt to write what the sitting president, Democrat or Republican, would, could or should say to the nation. It's simply my version of a message. It is that time of year, and while this years State of the Union was delayed by a week for political reasons, here is my message. I will restate, for those whose confirmation bias, instant certainty or politically polarizing vortex will cause them to miss this I am not suggesting that President Trump would or could deliver this it is the State of the Union from the perspective of one guy with an opinion.

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Pursuing the Exceptional : UVU President Astrid Tuminez Jan 29, 2019

The world is longing for authentic leaders. Higher education is in need of transformation to meet the challenges of a 21st century global economy. Students are searching for hope and dreams they can passionately pursue. Young people want to believe they can make a difference. Utah Valley University may have discovered answers to all of these question in a single, passionately energized, yet unlikely source: President Astrid Tuminez. We will explore her extraordinary journey on the road less traveled on this episode of Therefore, What?

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Solving America's "Instant Certainty" Problem Jan 23, 2019

We live in an era of instant everything. Microwaves and Uber-eats serve up instant meals, the internet delivers instant access to information and an often narcissistic world assures us that we are entitled to instant gratification in every aspect of our lives. One of the most troubling of the instant trends is instant certainty in all its forms. Instant certainty is the enemy of truth and a barrier to trust. How instant certainty is impacting society and what to do about it on this week's edition of Therefore, What?

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Special Episode: Highlights from Integrity and Trust Jan 17, 2019

Recently, the Deseret News and Deseret Management Corporation hosted an event at the Newseum in Washington, D.C., titled, "Integrity and Trust: Lessons from Watergate and Today." Some questioned us for convening a conversation on the principles of integrity, trust and truth in our nation’s capital – especially in a day when debates are rarely about principles and policy but are instead about fake news, alternate facts, deceptive internet influence, half-truths, bold lies and countless shades of morally relative gray. At the Deseret News we felt it was exactly the right place for this conversation to begin. Hear highlights from our event with legendary reporter Bob Woodward, Elder D. Todd Christofferson of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and Pew Research Center president Michael Dimock on this special edition of, Therefore, What?

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Bob Woodward Talks Trust and Truth in 21st century Jan 08, 2019

The state of integrity is never static. It's as susceptible to corruption and degradation as it is amenable to improvement or fortification. We're in unique times, challenging times, but with an age-old fight for essential principles. With the current backslide of public trust, we get a glimpse of what we stand to lose in our homes and our communities. The hard fought for values of trust and integrity form the bulwark of strength for the nation, but that foundation will crack and crumble through apathy, arrogance and neglect. The issue of trust transcends today's headlines, the principle of integrity surpasses current politics and politicians. Beyond the government or the media, this is a We the People problem that requires We the People responses. The Deseret News will convene, in Washington, D.C., "Integrity and Trust: Lessons from Watergate and Today." We will be joined by legendary reporter Bob Woodward on this week's edition of Therefore, What?

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2019 looking back & looking ahead Jan 02, 2019

The curtain has dropped on 2018 and 2019 has just begun. A look back at the lessons from the year just ended and the principles to guide the year ahead. All on this episode of Therefore, What?

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Seeking asylum: a family divided Dec 26, 2018

While the debate rages on in Washington, D.C., over immigration and asylum-seekers from south of the border, the issue is real for a mother of four children who has a fascinating sojourn into America and back to Guatemala. The human element of asylum-seeking on this edition of Therefore, What?

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A culture of success and responsibility Dec 18, 2018

In a day when leadership is clearly lacking, many wonder, how do you create a culture of excellence? How do you create shared rituals that bring organizations and individuals together? Is there really a way to be positive in terms of capitalism? Is there a way to make more than $1 and actually make a difference through business? Davis Smith, president and CEO of Cotopaxi, joins us on this week's edition of Therefore, What?

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2 Early Christmas gifts to transform the season Dec 11, 2018

Christians around the world prepare to celebrate Christmas. Two gifts to experience and share on this week’s edition of, “Therefore, What?”

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Contrarian lessons from the life of George H.W. Bush Dec 04, 2018

The nation mourns the passing of former President George H.W. Bush. And we look at the contrarian lessons from the extraordinary life of a good and decent man, on this edition of “Therefore, What?”

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A different kind of Congress - Ben McAdams Nov 27, 2018

The American people voted for divided government. The Democrats have gained the majority in the House of Representatives. There are many new faces in Washington, each hoping to change the way things get done. Will change emerge or will gridlock, partisanship and deep division drive the next two years? Utah's Congressman-elect Ben McAdams is touting a new kind of conversation. He shares his vision for a different kind of Congress on this week's episode of Therefore, What?

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Courtesy across our differences - Mark Roosevelt Nov 19, 2018

Many Americans have become intellectually soft, floating about in their own echo chambers of self-selected news and social media channels. Critical thinking seems to be vanishing and civility and civil dialogue have all but disappeared. Could the solution be found at a college that doesn't even allow current politics in the classroom? The answer may surprise you. Mark Roosevelt, president of St. John's College, joins the conversation on this week's episode of Therefore, What?

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Finding Joy - Julie B. Beck Nov 15, 2018

The world is filled with challenges, insecurity and uncertainty. Many individuals struggle to find purpose, passion and joy in life. A lack of confidence in self and faith in a divine purpose leaves many straggling in the foothills and off the mountaintops of success, fulfillment and meaningful service. Could the answers be found in covenant living? Sister Julie B. Beck, author of the new book "Joy in the Covenant," shares personal insight on this week's episode of Therefore, What?

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Overcoming diseases of despair - Elder J. Devn Cornish Nov 13, 2018

Diseases of despair, including depression, anxiety and suicide, seem to be destroying individuals while decimating families and communities. Social media creates constant comparisons and outsized expectations. Many ask the questions, “Am I good enough?” and “Will I make it?” Elder Devn Cornish of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints shares his unique perspective on this week’s episode of “Therefore, What?”

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Jon Huntsman Jr. : The last diplomat Nov 06, 2018

International tensions are high. Russian meddling in past, current and future elections is a serious cause for concern. Angry and divisive rhetoric, trade wars and America's place in the world are straining relationships with allies, friends and foes around the world. Many wonder if American diplomacy abroad is dead. Deseret News InDepth editor Jesse Hyde provides insight and perspective from his time in Russia with U.S. Ambassador Jon Huntsman Jr., who may well be the last diplomat. All on this week episode of Therefore, What?

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Who will decide the election? Oct 30, 2018

Midterm elections are fast approaching. Political campaigns are in full swing. Both parties are stoking anger, fear and frustration. Who will decide the election? Will this election be about the base, the independents or citizens who have simply disengaged. Has politics failed? What is the future for America? Legendary pollster Scott Rasmussen weighs in on this week's edition of Therefore, What? Guest: Scott Rasmussen A best-selling author, political observer, pollster and purveyor of Scottrasmussen.com He is looking for community driven solutions through data-driven analysis.

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Political polarization or cancer of contempt? Oct 22, 2018

Is capitalism the cause or the solution to poverty and human suffering? Is political polarization the problem or is it the growing cancer of contempt? Leadership is sorely lacking in Washington at a time the American people are looking for inspiration and a path forward. Drawing on history, social psychology, behavioral economics, and the counsel of ancient wisdom Arthur Brooks answers these questions and shares lessons from his extraordinary American journey on this week's edition of Therefore, What? Guest: Arthur Brooks. A bestselling author, social scientist, economist and head of the American Enterprise Institute, as well as one of the most profound and brilliant minds in America and Utah's favorite Catholic.

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Why we hate each other and how to heal Oct 17, 2018

Tribalism, fear and frustration are killing the country. Our communities are crumbling, the fabric of society is being ripped to shreds and our hyper-connected technological world has actually disconnected people from places and spaces that create culture and a sense of belonging. Has rugged individualism gone rogue? Has politics permanently splintered and isolated the American people? Senator Ben Sasse from Nebraska joins us to discuss his new book, "Them: Why We Hate Each Other and How to Heal," on this week's edition of Therefore, What?

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Has America hit rock bottom? Oct 12, 2018

Has America hit rock bottom? Is there any path to true leadership, integrity, civility and good governance? Legendary journalist George Will shares his unique perspective on the American experiment and the future of the nation on this week's edition of Therefore, What?

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When did rage become all the rage? Oct 08, 2018

Rage is all the rage. Weaponizing words and the weaknesses of others is where many politicians spend their days. Social media has created an America that is no longer a melting pot but is a place where you can deploy divisive rhetoric to melt down those who disagree with you.

Leaders aren't leading and are actually avoiding crucial conversations. Contempt towards others is a cancer in our communities. How do we cure the nation's contempt, unite around principles and values and, at minimum, put civil back in civil dialogue and debate. Utah Lieutenant Governor Spencer Cox weighs in on this week's edition of Therefore, What?

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Can men and women ever be equal in America? Oct 02, 2018

The October 2018 Time Magazine cover story asks the question, “Can American men and women ever be equal?” Answers and positive models come from an unexpected, yet not surprising place. Deseret Management Corporation Executive Vice President Sheri Dew shares her perspective on this week’s edition of Therefore, What?

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Politcized SCOTUS - who is to blame? Sep 25, 2018

The battle for the Supreme Court is in full swing. The nomination of Brett Kavanaugh continues to careen with political posturing, credible accusations, credible denials and nothing that the confirmation was designed to be.The Supreme Court of the United States of America has become political instead of judicial. Who is to blame and how to restore order on this week's edition of Therefore, What?

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Safeco Field expects 40,000 to listen to President Russell M. Nelson Sep 13, 2018

This Saturday, the Seattle Mariners will be more than 1,000 miles away from Safeco Field playing a weekend series with the Los Angeles Angels. Yet the stadium will be bursting with an expected crowd of 40,000. That is strong attendance for any weekend event at Safeco, but Saturday’s event is of particular note as the spectators will be there to watch a 94-year-old take second base. Find out why on this week’s episode of Therefore, What?

Guest: Sarah Jane Weaver is the editor of the LDS Church News. Since 1995 she has covered, among other things, LDS Welfare Services, Church Education and social issues impacting members of the Church.

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Suicide Prevention Week: Don't wait til it's too late Sep 12, 2018

This week is suicide prevention week. How to avoid tragic endings and ensure everyone has the resources they need for better tomorrows beginning today. On this episode of, “Therefore What?”

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Bringing your authentic self to work: The business of faith Sep 04, 2018

Faith continues to be pushed out of the public square. Restricted on college campuses and banished from public schools — people of faith and seekers of faith wonder where to turn. This week we follow such a believer on a journey of faith that began in a place not known for its religious strength, California’s Silicon Valley. Join us for a discussion of faith as a dimension of diversity on this edition of Therefore, What?

Guest: Sue Warnke is the senior director of technology content at Salesforce, the world leader in customer relationship management software. After a lifetime as an agnostic, Sue became a Christian a year and a half ago and has since helped Salesforce launch a new diversity group that is sparking conversation in the technology industry on the topic of faith diversity: Faithforce.

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Is America still a beacon of hope? Aug 28, 2018

Three stories — easy to overlook from 30,000 feet, impossible to ignore and individually important up close and personal. The Michigan adoption case pitting religious adoption agencies and LGBT couples longing for children. Criminal justice reform focused on how the setting of bail disproportionately hurts the poor. The number of refugees settled in the U.S. each year has gone down — is America still a beacon of hope to the tired, poor, huddled masses yearning to be free?

Guest: Gillian Friedman, investigative and in-depth reporter for the Deseret News.

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Teen anxiety, depression, and suicide Aug 22, 2018

Anxiety, depression and teen suicide numbers are rising at an alarming rate. The Deseret News is committed to enabling teens and empowering parents with the tools and resources to effectively deal with anxiety. Helping teens recognize and cope with stress, avoid the downward spiral of depression while maximizing their talents, opportunities and potential is a worthwhile investment in our community.

Guest: Jenny Howe, Therapist

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The press, the presidency and the First Amendment. Aug 19, 2018

President Donald Trump and many in the national media continue their rocky relationship. Filled with contempt, their rhetoric may be good for ratings on cable tv and may help the president gin up his base for re-election. But the lack of civility keeps us a safe distance from having the conversation we must have as a country. Such contempt also allows both ends of the political spectrum to raise billions of dollars in campaign cash, but that money won't buy us a better nation. The proper role of the press, the presidency and the First Amendment.

Guest: Doug Wilks Editor of Deseret News

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A Renaissance of Remembrance Aug 15, 2018

America is in crisis. Not a crisis of government or business or the economy it is a crisis of forgetfulness. One of the greatest threats to a vibrant civil society is simple forgetfulness. What we forget our children may never know. What our children do not know our grandchildren are unlikely to possess. Real remembering includes not only the history of those who have gone before but the principles they lived by. Our communities, our nation and the world is in need of a renaissance of remembering. Artist and entrepreuner Eric Dowdle shares his vision to create a place and space where the principles of America can be remembered on this editions of Therefore what...

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The State of College Athletics Aug 08, 2018

The start of the college football season is only weeks away. Highly hyped, high-stakes games are on the schedule complete corporate sponsors, television right and local as well as national media coverage. Such games should feature terrific young men, committed to their teammates and schools, with wise coaches who are equally committed to building character in their players and serving their communities. Instead we are force-fed the unsettling onslaught of stories about barroom brawls, boosters bankrolling the breaking of rules, police reports instead of history reports, DUI scores instead of ACT scores, professors ignoring academic fraud, administrators turning a blind eye to assaults and abuse and far too many thugs who get a free pass because they are talented enough to either throw or catch one. The state of college athletics and what to do about it on this edition of therefore what…

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A leopard can't change his spots. But we're talking about real people. Aug 01, 2018

The criminal justice system of the United States is overburdened, understaffed and incredibly inefficient. Recidivism and a revolving door keep too many perpetually trapped in the system. Likewise, addiction rehab centers are bursting at the seams, often producing equally dismal results. Is there a better approach to changing behavior? What can be done? We explore non-government solutions with someone who was locked up and locked in that broken prison system. Dave Durocher, managing director at The Other Side Academy, provides a look into an innovative and revolutionary approach transforming criminals into contributing citizens -- on this week’s episode of "Therefore, what?"

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I know what you are against. But what are you for? Jul 25, 2018

In the halls of Congress or in press interviews, politicians go to great lengths to let us know what exactly it is that they are against. But what if we focused on what we are for?

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Finding Allies and Building Alliances Jul 18, 2018

Nato Allies have met in Brussells. President Trump visits America’s long-time ally in Great Britain and meets with Americas long-time rival Russian President Vladimir Putin. Trade wars and tariff battles continue while bad actors, dictators, and terrorists threaten world peace. For leaders today, finding allies and building alliances has never been more vital. Guest: Rich McKeown

Rich McKeown co-founder of Leavitt Partners and author of "Finding Allies, Building Alliances," is our guest. McKeown served as Chief-of-Staff for Mike Leavitt at the U.S Department of Health and Human Services.

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Sen. Mike Lee reacts to Brett Kavanaugh nomination Jul 11, 2018

In the wake of President Donald Trump's nomination of Judge Brett Kavanaugh to the U.S. Supreme Court, Democrats have begun their attacks and Republicans have dug their heels in defense. Will there be a Supreme Court hearing or just a partisan shouting match? Guest: Sen. Mike Lee

Mike Lee is the junior United States Senator from the State of Utah.

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Balancing religious liberty and other rights Jul 09, 2018

Boyd Matheson interviews Deseret News reporter and religious liberty expert Kelsey Dallas about recent Supreme Court decisions, including the wedding cake ruling.

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