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    Weekly insights on the state of podcasting and audio, crucial news highlights from PodNews, and podcasters, insiders, and leaders from the podcast industry — for everyone who is taking podcasting seriously.

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    The New Google Podcast Player: Inspiring a Listener Renaissance? Apr 30, 2018
    Show notes

    Will the updated Google Podcast Player — and easier access to podcasts — lead to a boom and expansion in the podcast world? What does this mean for advertising models, new revenue streams, the potential of device-to-device podcast hand-offs, and the need for podcast producers to stop and listen more closely to their content? Plus an interview with Elle Martinez of the podcast “Couple Money”, and headlines from podcasting and on-demand from Podnews…

    • Despite considerable use of Android phones, podcasts are listened to 80% on Apple, 11% on Android phones
    • It’s now easier to access podcasts, see boom and expansion in podcast world
    • The integration of search with podcasts, how the web app can save podcasts you’ve subscribed to, and why though a basic feature, it has importance
    • Casual listeners can now test podcasting without downloading an app
    • How there seems to be no integration of advertising, yet podcasts shown in Google results
    • Looking at some new functionality that could generate revenue streams for some podcasters
    • The potential for donations to be solicited by podcasters
    • Will the advertising model shift at all?
    • Why the new player changes how producers promote podcasts and rely on people finding them
    • Will this become the “Land of the Giants”
    • Is there a different kind of content that Google is looking for?
    • Why didn’t Google engage as meaningfully in podcasts prior to now?
    • How there are now opportunities to play with new ways of distributing content, i.e. in home devices, and how Google is working on handing off device to device
    • The ubiquity of Google to interact with a person’s life, and the ability to hand content off device to device, resulting in a lot of data about life that is played into recommendation engine
    • The changes in listener experience interacting with the actual content that can be creating a variety of interaction paradigms, developing content, shifting public to private
    • Google’s player can help get more people excited about podcasting, and result in perhaps another renaissance
    • Why this is a chance for podcast producers to stop and listen to content and consider how it is going out to the world

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    In this episode:

    • An interview recorded at the 2018 Podfest Multimedia Expo with Elle Martinez of the “Couple Money” podcast
    • The latest podcast and on-demand news from Podnews
    • MouthMedia Network CEO Rob Sanchez on the changes in and implications of the new Google Podcast Player

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.


    Longform vs. shortform audio: Is there room for both? Apr 24, 2018
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    How long should a podcast be? Is there such a thing as too long or too short? And what about the impact on podcasting from smart speakers and the growth of shortform audio? Plus an interview with Glenn the Geek of The Horse Radio Network, and headlines from podcasting and on-demand from Podnews…

    • The recent surge of interest in shorter length podcasts (shorform audio)
    • John Rosso of Triton reports on podcast data measuring growth in podcast listenership on smart speakers
    • The possibility of native applications and content from major players in response to that growth
    • Discovering the typical conversation arc timing at 45-60 minutes
    • Increasingly shorter attention and concentration spans conflicting with robust listening habits of podcast audiences
    • What an unscientific review of the top two ranked shows in each major iTunes category reveals about typical show length of the “top podcasts”
    • The numerous potential implications to the podcast industry of a growth in popularity of shorter length podcasts
    • An example of creative repurposing of longform audio into shortform formatting with an upcoming podcast #MOSMGOTTHIS from MouthMedia Network
    • Contrasting an interview about the Cambridge Analytics and Facebook scandal and why it should remain longform
    • What is the right length for a podcast?
    • Is there room for both longform and shortform podcasts

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    In this episode:

    • An interview recorded at the 2018 Podfest Multimedia Expo with Glenn the Geek of The Horse Radio Network,
    • The latest podcast and on-demand news from Podnews
    • MouthMedia Network Head of Content and Programming Marc Raco on the potential of shortform audio and the staying power of longform audio

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.


    Drawing the line with audio data, discovery, targeting, and advertising Apr 17, 2018
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    Why podcasts need to think through discovery (how much is too much), where prediction and control begin and end, and what is the “creep factor” in audio data — plus an interview with Sarah Rhea Werner of “Girl In Space” and “Write Now with Sarah Werner” podcasts, and headlines from podcasting and on-demand from Podnews…

    • As a medium not good at discovery, targeting or advertising — starting growth pains and spurts with solving these issues
    • The relevancy of GDPR, Facebook privacy, Cambridge Analytica, and a new national consciousness
    • Podcasts have been asking for more audio data and analytics, so what comes with that
    • We don’t have a lot of tools for targeting and engaging users, and networks are starting to create them
    • What’s a good experience and what’s a bad experience in podcast players?
    • Targeting and re-targeting, and how much data can be deployed and gathered on one individual listener, and the need to understand when it crosses the “creep line” despite value for marketers
    • What type of model are we building for listeners — aggregated buckets and themes, or targeted for the individual listener?
    • Why gathering data in hopes to sell it can be a bad play in some circumstances
    • Hyper-targeting and psychographics profiles, and acclimated to feeling OK with selling or trading our privacy data in the United States, and therefore a lot of our behavior can be predicted on an aggregate level
    • Not much we can do to unplug our privacy at this point, even when disconnecting
    • At what point do we put the control of privacy and data back in the hands of the user and listener?
    • Responsible and acceptable targeting, and control over our own experience vs. that created by an algorithm

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    In this episode:

    • An interview recorded at the 2018 Podfest Multimedia Expo with Sarah Rhea Werner, writer, editor, producer and cast member of “Girl In Space” podcast, as well as the”Write Now with Sarah Werner” podcast
    • The latest news from Podnews
    • MouthMedia Network CEO Rob Sanchez on data considerations in podcasting

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.


    Are podcasts a medium of opportunists or thoughtful content creation? Apr 10, 2018
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    Why podcasts, advertising, and podcast players need to change to grow listenership — plus an interview with Dave Jackson of School of Podcasting, and headlines from podcasting and on-demand from Podnews…

    • The impact of the recent podcasts stats on listenership from Edison research report
    • More monthly actives than Twitter
    • The number of people engaged, listening
    • A lack of differentiating content impacting the growth rate of podcast listenership
    • The need to recapture the people not showing interest in listening to podcasts, requiring reengaging and retraining
    • Are the importance of podcasting and where you can listen to podcasts both shifting?
    • The way people are listening has changed, as radio is also shifting and changing
    • More podcasts are listened to in the car than satellite radio
    • Why we have not reached a saturation point with podcasting
    • How podcast consumption habits are similar to radio without skipping sponsorships
    • A rich audio experience will allow ads
    • Listeners have been prove to take action because of call to action in a podcast player
    • Long-form audio and the willingness of audience to consume ads
    • Content partnerships, giving the listener what they need for their life in return for mindshare as the next level of advertising
    • A push to native content in podcasts
    • Where trust starts, stops, and breaks with advertisers and shows
    • Do ads that are long form shows break trust similarly to influencers who hock clothes and don’t report it
    • The challenge of how to activate Americans who don’t listen and the people who tried podcasts and denied it is not for them
    • Are podcasts a medium of opportunists? Or thoughtful content creation?

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    In this episode:

    • MouthMedia Network CEO Rob Sanchez on where trust starts, stops, and breaks with advertisers and shows
    • The latest news from Podnews
    • An interview with podcasting expert and long-time podcaster Dave Jackson of The School of Podcasting podcast recorded at the 2018 Podfest Multimedia Expo

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.


    Broadening the idea of what podcasts can be in our world Apr 03, 2018
    Show notes

    Does the word “podcast” limit us?

    • The case made for why live performances have a place in podcasting
    • A change in format, live events
    • Example with the podcast American Enough with Vikrum Aiyer at SXSW, having same feel as in the studio despite being in front of a live audience
    • How podcasts can maintain intimacy with the integration into the live event part of the nature of the medium
    • Another touchpoint of blending into the live experience, having the hosts normally in your head and ears and a chance to see them in person and come to life, and that we will see more live recordings
    • How events can make podcasts easier to monetize
    • The tension between the role of podcasting and radio
    • Scott Hopeck from iHeart – unplug vs plug in
    • Radio is cut up to be quickly consumed – plug in and move forward
    • Podcasts are turning out more daily shows, tips, analysis etc/ in a move toward “plug-in”
    • Is there a use-case built that allows the rest of people to engage in a learning mechanism, there aren’t enough tools built for that
    • Will see a shift in the content created as the tools change for the listener
    • Are we seeing a change in demographics of the podcast listener based on how the ease of adopting a podcast came about
    • Idea of personal connection vs. alienation, how a podcast is the personal connection but when visuals are added it becomes alienating
    • Sound design can help build personal connections
    • Important to think of cognitive processes and the science behind them, such as giving context to a sound, play with perception of the world built around an individual, play with experience, immersion
    • Is the term podcast archaic? — long form vs. short form audio?
    • Long form audio as a secondary medium and not a podcast to be played on an iPod
    • Room for live performance in podcasts, inside of cars, in home devices
    • Shift of what audio can be in the world
    • Voice search, voice integrated
    • Broadening our idea of what exists in the ecosystem of the podcast, seeing it larger
    • What is this word for the world we are creating?
    • How expanding our minds is vital

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    In this episode:

    • MouthMedia Network CEO Rob Sanchez on expanding how we see the ecosystem of the podcast
    • The latest news from Podnews
    • An interview with podcaster Doug Sandler of The Nice Guys on Business podcast recorded at the 2018 Podfest Multimedia Expo

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.


    The Age of Active Audio – Long-form Mar 30, 2018
    Show notes

    Long-form audio as a looping conversation…

    We in the podcast — or long-form audio — community sometimes think of podcasts as a passive audio experience. We create an hour or more of audio and then people listen to it. Outside of writing in response, this seems to be the current extent of the creator-listener relationship.

    However, there is more to the world of audio than this. More and more interaction with devices is through voice. In fact, 22% of searches on Google are being done by voice. App creators are starting to understand their apps in relationships to others. Content creators are also understanding the context in which their audio is being listened to. We approaching an age of Active Audio, if we don’t live in it already.

    What does it look like when audio becomes ambient and ubiquitous, search becomes a conversation, and we start to change how we interact with the world? What is this new audio age, this new audio world?

    To understand it, you first must understand the changing systems of content channels. Currently, in America, apps are considered to be mostly solitary channels, rarely interacting.

    At a recent Audio Thought Leader Summit, Will Hall, Executive Creative Director at ‎RAIN creative agency, discussed his experience creating apps in China. In China, apps are built off of each other with WeChat being something of super app. For example, the total process of eating at a restaurant (recommendation, traveling, reserving and paying) may be four distinct apps in the U.S. as opposed to China, where it feels like one seamless transition.

    Content creation can be thought of in the same way. If you have a systematic approach, you can begin to have conversations that are native and organic– that can sit and live in many different places. And you can start to get away from a need to modify your business model. This means a production process structured with multi-channel content in mind or podcast players created with the understanding that the world of the podcast extends beyond audio.

    It is not just audio output that is changing, but audio input. Consumers are also asking for information and content in changing ways. We are still typing in keywords into search engines, but we are also asking and directing or devices to act using our voices.

    There is a major difference into the two forms of communication beyond which body part we’re using to input information. With text you can type in a range of words and create a web or cloud of idea. You can also get additional content via algorithm. Voice commands and questions tend to specific which in return gets specific answers back.

    This is a major change to the current ways of thinking about discoverability. How can related content and information be provided? Will the questions consumers ask need to change? Do devices’ understanding need to become more complex? Or will both happen? These are all questions to consider.

    Finally, the producers must understand the physical world that their audio content exists in.

    Scott Hopeck, President of iHeartMedia’s New York region, discussed the studies the company has done in understanding difference in how listeners process audio content and audio-visual content at the summit.

    With audio-only content, listeners were more focused as they were receiving only one type of sensory information. The voice paints pictures, giving you room for you imagination, and expands what you are thinking about. With audio-visual content, consumers’ minds wandered as there was less information that they needed to fill in about what was happening. Audio transports us to a different world in a way other content does not.

    While audio is captivating, it still has to fit into the context of real world. Who is listening? When and where are they doing it and how? As an example of leaning into specific contexts, Hearst Media is releasing two 5 minute beauty podcasts. The one released in the morning focuses on preparing for the day ahead, while the one released later focuses on recovering from it. Listeners will continue to find time for content, but creators should start creating media that works alongside or with their audiences’ life and schedule.

    Listeners are getting their content new ways, they are asking for and discovering it new ways and they are looking to experience it new ways. The new world of audio is active and already on the horizon, but its a future that is ready to be shaped.

    You have this whole different world we can start to build, where we capture the imagination of people, keep them enthralled and entranced as they go about this world and live in this ambient space, this ubiquitous space, and we really can influence how people see everything around them and literally see everything around them because it’s their mind responding to our voice developing their world.

    Long-form audio is no longer mostly a one-way street, but instead a looping conversation.

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    In this episode:

    • MouthMedia Network CEO Rob Sanchez on “the age of active audio”
    • The latest news from Podnews
    • An interview with podcaster Nick Snap of Make It Snappy Productivity Show recorded at the 2018 Podfest Multimedia Expo

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.


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