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    The Voices of War

    ‘The Voices Of War’ is guided by a simple vision—to scratch below the simple narratives of war.

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    89. Ambassador Robert ‘Bob’ Bowker - Understanding the Middle East: Lessons from Five Decades of Life and Work in the Region Feb 27, 2025
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    My guest today is Dr Robert ‘Bob’ Bowker whose career in the politics and analysis of the Middle East spans five decades. He spent 37 years as an Australian diplomat in the region, firstly on postings to Saudi Arabia (74-06), and Syria (79-81) and later as the Australian ambassador to Jordan (89-92), Egypt (05-08) as well as non-resident ambassador to Syria, Libya, Tunisia, and Sudan. Bob also held senior roles at the United Nations Relief and Works Program for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (1997-1998,) based in Gaza and Jerusalem. Following his diplomatic career, Bob spent more than a decade as an academic, firstly as an Adjunct Professor and later as an Honorary Fellow at the ANU Centre for Arab and Islamic Studies. For a period of that time, Bob also served as an intelligence analyst with the Office of National Assessments. Bob recently published a memoir about his extensive career and personal attachment to the Middle East titled, ‘Tomorrow There Will Be Apricots: an Australian Diplomat in the Arab World’. Bob joins me today to discuss his book as well as his views on the state of the Middle East, its predominant and enduring fault lines, as well as the role of the West in the region. Some of the topics we covered are: · Bob’s introduction to Islam and the Arab World · Misrepresentation of the Arab World’s relationship with the West · Meaning of the book’s title and why it captures the sentiment of the Middle East · Importance of cross-cultural engagement for diplomatic success and understanding of power structures · Memorable cultural exchanges and their impact · The importance of history to societies of the Middle East · Western politicians' failure to consider culture and history when dealing with the Middle East · Analysis of the 2003 Iraq Invasion, its background, and failures · Australia’s involvement in the Iraq War · Whether Australia should debate a decision to go to war in the Parliament · Reconciling the tensions between national interests and promoting certain values · Bob’s work in Palestine with United Nations Relief and Works Program for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNWRA) · Analysis of the Palestine and Israel conflict and why peace remains untenable · Why the ‘Two State Solution’ is dead · The unwavering US support for Israel and the possibility of change · The future of Iran’s relationship with the West and the US · Prospects of Chinese success in mediating between Iran and Saudi Arabia


    88. Will Storr - The Status Game: Understanding Its Significance, Implications, and Why We Play It Feb 27, 2025
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    Today, I spoke with Will Storr, who is an award-winning writer whose work has appeared in titles such as The Guardian, The Sunday Times, The New Yorker and The New York Times. He is the author of six critically acclaimed books, including ‘Selfie: How the West became self-obsessed’, ‘The Heretics: Adventures with the enemies of science’, as well as the Sunday Times Bestseller ‘The Science of Storytelling’.

    He also recently published the book 'The Status Game: On Human Life and How to Play It' and he joins me today to explore how status influences our behaviour, relationships, and how it contributes to so much of what’s good as well as bad in our world.

    Some of the topics we covered are:

    • The Significance of Status: Understanding Its Purpose and Implications
    • Dominance, Virtue, and Success: The Three Types of Status Games You Need to Know
    • Cultural Influence on Status Games: Why Understanding Culture is Key
    • Influencing Social Groups: The Importance of Understanding their Culture and Status Dynamics
    • The Impact of Status on Physical and Psychological Wellbeing: What You Need to Know
    • Status Loss and Suicide Ideation: Understanding the Correlation
    • Genocide and National Status Loss: Examining the Link
    • Status in Culture Wars: Brexit, Trump, and the Role of Status Games
    • The Use of Status Games by Cultural Elites
    • Geopolitics and Status: Understanding Their Interconnection
    • Escaping Status Games: Is It Possible?
    • Playing a Hierarchy of Status Games: Why It Matters and How to Do It

    87. Special Release: Robert Hartley - From War Zone to Ketamine: A Veteran’s Journey Through Trauma and Healing Feb 27, 2025
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    Please note that this entire episode is available on the public channel. To gain access to all other episodes, please subscribe at https://thevoicesofwar.supercast.com/

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    Today, I spoke with Robert Hartley, who is a former Australian Army Officer who served for 12 years in the Artillery Corps before transitioning to a civilian career in the technology sector. During his time in the military, Robert deployed on exchange with the British Army on Operation Herrick XII (12) to Helmand Province, Afghanistan in 2010. In his civilian life, Robert has worked for a number of technology companies, including Microsoft, before joining a start-up where he is an Executive Director.

    Robert joins me today to discuss his life in the Army, how his deployment to Helmand resulted in a PTSD diagnosis, as well as his journey to recovery, which includes being part of the ketamine program that I discussed at length with Dr Alex Lim a few episodes ago.

    Things we covered include:

    • Rob’s entry into the Army and the Artillery Corps
    • Rotation into Helmand with the British Army
    • The thrill of preparing for and going to war
    • Use of artillery as a direct-fire weapon
    • The reality of Helmand as the ‘kinetic province’
    • How the local population perceived the Coalition Forces
    • Dealing with numerous casualties
    • Reflecting on mateship, camaraderie, and sense of purpose
    • The process of desensitisation to war and combat
    • Reflection on the burden of command
    • The challenge of preserving one’s own moral compass
    • The struggle of upholding the delicate facade of morality in battle
    • The price of extreme compartmentalisation and rationalisation
    • Returning home, signs that things weren’t right and asking for help
    • Symptoms, PTSD diagnosis, and importance of command support
    • Short-term fixes but eventual relapse, downward spiral, and continual emotional compartmentalisation
    • The path to recovery and reconnecting to emotions
    • Joining Dr Alex Lim’s ketamine program, onboarding, and treatment initiation
    • A reflection on the ketamine treatment, its sensations, experiences, and insights
    • Why ketamine remains contentious
    • How the ketamine treatment affected Rob’s relationships with his wife and children
    • Why seeking help matters!

    During this discussion, we referred to the following previous episodes:

    Ashley Judd – On combat, mental health and the road to recovery

    Dr Alex Lim - On veterans’ mental health: the good, the bad and the promising

    Given the nature of this discussion, and the fact that many in our audience are veterans, there is a risk that elements of this episode might be difficult listening for some. If this is the case, I encourage you to seek help through one of the many channels nowadays available, some of which are listed below (Australian audiences only):

    All-hours Support Line

    (1800 628 036 / +612 9425 3878 if O/S)

    Open Arms (VVCS)

    1800 011 046

    https://www.openarms.gov.au/

    1800 IMSICK

    (1800 624 608)

    Defence Community Organisation (DCO)

    Defence Family Helpline

    1800 624 608

    http://www.defence.gov.au/dco/

    Lifeline

    13 11 14

    https://www.lifeline.org.au

    Suicide Call back service

    1300 659 467

    https://www.suicidecallbackservice.org.au

    Soldier On

    1300 620 380

    www.soldieron.org.au


    86. Professor Christopher Coyne - Monsters, Empires, and Illusions of Peace: Navigating the Perils of American Interventionism Jul 05, 2024
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    Today, I spoke with Dr Christopher Coyne, who is a Professor of Economics at George Mason University and the Associate Director of the F. A. Hayek Program for Advanced Study in Philosophy, Politics, and Economics at the Mercatus Center.

    He is the author of five books and numerous academic articles, book chapters, and policy studies. He joins me today to discuss his latest book, In Search of Monsters to Destroy: The Folly of American Empire and the Paths to Peace (2022), which is a pragmatic and unashamedly critical appraisal of American foreign policy.

    Some of the things we talked about are:

    • Chris’ background and entry into academia and
    • How and why training in economics shaped Chris’ worldview
    • Importance of understanding incentives and their power
    • An argument against the concept of a 'Hobbesian world'
    • Definition of the American Empire and its governance of 'dominion'
    • Dangers of crony capitalism and its ties to the Military Industrial Complex
    • Issues with broken or non-existent chains of accountability
    • Concerns surrounding the 'revolving door' principle
    • Origins of US militarism and the Permanent War Economy
    • Military Keynesianism and the 'Iron Triangle'
    • Limitations and unintended consequences of American interventionism
    • Unpredictability of complex systems
    • Impact of technological advances and the shift from 'defence' to 'offence'
    • Exploring alternatives to war

    Previous episodes that address similar topics and were referenced in this discussion include:

    • Samuel Moyn - On ‘Humane: How the United States Abandoned Peace and Reinvented War‘
    • Marc Garlasco - War through the eyes of a Pentagon Chief of High Value Targeting
    • Amos Fox - Beyond the illusion of manoeuvre: Navigating the clash between intentions and reality in modern warfare

    85. Dr Elizabeth Boulton - Tackling the Climate Change Hyperthreat: Plan E, Entangled Security and harnessing a Hyper-response Mar 13, 2023
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    My guest today is Dr Elizabeth Boulton, who is an eco-military theorist with Destination Safe Earth, and a research affiliate with the ‘Climate Change & (In)Security Project’ which is a collaboration between the University of Oxford, the Centre for Historical Analysis and Conflict Research (CHACR) and the British Army.
    She joins me today to discuss her thinking behind the concepts of ‘Hyperthreat’, ‘Hyper-response’, and Plan E as a response to tackling climate change. Some of the topics we discussed are:
    • Elizabeth’s background and journey towards a PhD
    • Timothy Morton and the Hyperobject
    • Conceptualising climate change as a ‘Hyperthreat’
    • Uncovering the disguised cause and effect of the ‘Hyperthreat’
    • ‘Entangled Security’ and why understanding it is crucial for tackling the climate crisis
    • The problem of establishing credibility about climate change
    • Corporate capture, competing priorities and corrupted incentives in the ‘Hyperthreat’
    • ‘Plan E’ and the essential steps to fight climate change
    • Reframing the idea of security for a sustainable future
    • Why a localised response is key to addressing the climate change ‘Hyperthreat’
    • Unlocking global creativity to achieve a ‘Hyper-response’
    • Testing the viability of ‘Plan E’ through wargaming
    • Increasing geopolitical tensions as a threat to climate change solutions
    To find out more about Elizabeth and her work, you can start here.
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    84. Amos Fox - Beyond the illusion of manoeuvre: Navigating the clash between intentions and reality in modern warfare Feb 27, 2023
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    My guest today is Amos Fox, who is an officer in the US Army with more than 24 years of service in uniform. Amos has written extensively on war and conflict over the past decade, producing over 60 publications. His work focuses on causal mechanisms to explain patterns in armed conflict. Much of Amos’ current writing addresses proxy war, land warfare, the Russo-Ukrainian War, and military thinking.

    He joined me to discuss some of his views on the state of Western military thinking, particularly our potential over-reliance on the concept of manoeuvre warfare. Some of the topics we covered are:

    • Amos’ background in the military and path into academia
    • Influences of Amos’ first operational deployment in Iraq
    • Understanding the reality on the ground – when intentions clash
    • Defining manoeuvre warfare and its adoption by Western militaries
    • Lack of pragmatism and reality in Western doctrine – what you need to know
    • Why accurate and relevant doctrine matters for success in war
    • Learning from Liddell Hart and his relevance today
    • Debunking the illusion of manoeuvre in modern battles
    • Avoiding misapplication of past terminology in today's warfare
    • Battle of Mosul – Western usage of sieges examined
    • The Precision Paradox – what it means for modern warfare
    • Expanding doctrine to include Sieges, Urban Warfare, Proxy Warfare and re-imagined combined arms/joint warfare
    • Russian invasion of Ukraine – A case in point for modern warfare
    • The importance of questioning preconceived ideas for effective learning

    During our chat, I made reference to my conversation with Marc Garlasco, Chief of High Value Targeting at the Pentagon between 1997 and 2003 where he led targeting teams during operations Iraqi Freedom, Desert Fox, and Allied Force. You can find that episode here.

    Additionally, you can find all the articles Amos mentioned at the links below:

    "Moving Beyond Mechanical Metaphors: Debunking the Applicability of Centers of Gravity in 21st Century Warfare," The Strategy Bridge, https://thestrategybridge.org/the-bridge/2017/6/2/moving-beyond-mechanical-metaphors-debunking-the-applicability-of-centers-of-gravity-in-21st-century-warfare.

    "Ukraine and Proxy War: Improving Ontological Shortcomings in Military Thinking," Association of the United States Army, Land Warfare Paper 148, https://www.ausa.org/sites/default/files/publications/LWP-148-Ukraine-and-Proxy-War-Improving-Ontological-Shortcomings-in-Military-Thinking.pdf

    "Maneuver is Dead? Understanding the Conditions and Components of Warfighting," RUSI Journal, https://doi.org/10.1080/03071847.2022.2058601.

    "On Sieges," RUSI Journal, https://doi.org/10.1080/03071847.2021.1924077.

    "The Reemergence of the Siege: An Assessment of Trends in Modern Land Warfare," Institute of Land Warfare, Land Power Essay 18-2, https://www.ausa.org/sites/default/files/LPE-18-2-The-Reemergence-of-the-Siege-An-Assessment-of-Trends-in-Modern-Land-Warfare.pdf.

    "Sieges in Modern War," Presentation delivered at Harvard Law School, 31 March-1 April 2021, http://dx.doi.org/10.13140/RG.2.2.31870.25929.

    Lastly, Amos has extended an invite to anyone who may with to take this conversation further to email him on amos.c.fox@gmail.com.


    83. Dr Alison Broinowski - How Australia goes to war and the prospect of war powers reform Feb 13, 2023
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    My guest today is Dr Alison Broinowski AM, who is an Australian academic, journalist, writer, and former Australian diplomat. She is also the President of Australians for War Powers Reform. Alison joined me to explore the current debate on Australian troop deployment, compare it to other democracies, and discuss the possible outcome of the ongoing parliamentary enquiry into war powers. Some of the topics we discussed are: · Alison's background and motivation for war powers reform · Changes in Australian defence policy during Prime Minister Howard's tenure · Impact of Global War on Terror on defence and foreign policy · The current approval process for military interventions · Proposed changes to the war approval process and potential impact · Benefits of a parliamentary vote for accountability · Risks of inaction and views on Responsibility to Protect (R2P) · Reflection on US hegemony and ANZUS treaty misunderstandings · Arguments against war powers reform · Possible impacts of Australian involvement in US-led wars · Parliamentary inquiry outcome and report release timing · Alison's greatest fears if war powers remain unchanged


    82. Dr Samir Puri - Decoding the echoes of empire: how imperial legacies shape today’s geopolitics Jan 29, 2023
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    This a reminder that The Voices Of War is transitioning to a subscription model from February. More info here.

    Those wishing to subscribe can already do so here.

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    My guest today is Dr Samir Puri, who is a visiting lecturer in War Studies at King’s College London and has previously taught at Cambridge and John Hopkins.

    He joined me for a deep dive into his two most recent books. The first one, ‘The Great Imperial Hangover: How Empires Have Shaped the World’, explores how empires of the past still influence geopolitics today. And the second one, ‘Russia’s Road to War with Ukraine: Invasion amidst the ashes of empires’, published in late August, explores the role of imperialism in Putin’s ultimate decision to invade Ukraine and traces Ukraine’s fate as a nation caught in a geopolitical tug-of-war between Russia and the West.

    Samir has also served as an international observer at five Ukrainian elections, including during the Orange Revolution in 2004. Soon after the first Donbas war began in 2014, he spent a year in east Ukraine working on both sides of the front line as part of an international ceasefire monitoring mission. Since Russia’s latest invasion of Ukraine, Samir’s analyses of the war have been featured by the BBC, Al Jazeera, Bloomberg, CNN, the Wall Street Journal, and other media outlets.

    Some of the topics we discussed are:

    • Samir’s background and how it influenced his academic interests
    • Defining ‘empire’ and understanding the role of its legacy
    • Distinguishing between a formal and informal empire
    • The consequences of waning US hegemony and Pax Americana
    • The importance of history and lineage to national and individual identity
    • Understanding how imperial legacy contributed to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine
    • How Western democracies should navigate their imperial legacy
    • The significance of Ukraine for Russia and its imperial legacy
    • Proximity to history as crucial in shaping contemporary narratives
    • ‘Great power contest’ as the present narrative
    • Exploring the structural reasons why Ukraine is currently a warzone
    • Understanding NATO and how it might be perceived outside of the alliance
    • Samir’s assessment of how the Russian invasion of Ukraine ends
    • Exploring the impact of the Russian invasion on Chinese post-imperial aspirations
    • Samir’s greatest concern as we head into 2023

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    81. Professor Greg Barton - Understanding radicalisation, extremism and terrorism Jan 09, 2023
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    This a reminder that The Voices Of War is transitioning to a subscription model from February. More info here.

    Those wishing to subscribe can already do so here.

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    Today, I’m speaking with Professor Greg Barton, who is a Research Professor in Global Islamic Politics at Deakin University. Greg is one of Australia’s leading scholars of radicalisation, terrorism and countering violent extremism. He is frequently interviewed by the Australian and international media on these topics as well as on Indonesia and the politics of the Muslim world.

    He joins me today for a deep dive into radicalisation, extremism, and terrorism as well as their causes and potential solutions.

    Some of the topics we explored are:

    • Greg’s background and research in countering violent extremism (CVE)
    • Defining radicalisation, extremism, and terrorism
    • The explanation why Russia is not designated a terrorist state
    • Terrorism as a method
    • Dangers of ‘thought policing’
    • How to deal with extremism before it becomes violent
    • Explaining the ‘Push, Pull, Personal factors’ model to understand radicalisation
    • Systemic hate and its potential to fuel hateful extremism, violent extremism, and conflict violence
    • Similarities between recruiting into a military and a terrorist group
    • The role of social media in radicalisation
    • How online radicalisation occurs
    • Combating extremist propaganda
    • Effectiveness of counter-terrorism measures
    • The short-sightedness of military solutions to combat terrorism
    • How to prevent violent extremism
    • The Indonesian success in combating violent extremism as a case study
    • The growing threat of far-right extremism
    • Authoritarian populism as a key motivator behind far-right extremism
    • The potential risks of military veterans joining far-right groups
    • Pragmatic reflection about the risk to democracy in the US
    • Greg’s biggest fears for the next decade

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    80. Dr Alex Lim - On veterans’ mental health: the good, the bad and the promising Dec 23, 2022
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    This a reminder that The Voices Of War will adopt a subscription model. You can hear the explainer here.

    You can subscribe to the new channel here.

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    My guest today is Dr Alexander YC Lim, who is an Adjunct Associate Professor of Medicine with the Queensland Brain Institute. He is a Psychiatrist in private practice, and now almost exclusively looks after members of the Australian Defence Force, the Australian Federal Police, and the veteran community more broadly.

    In 2019, Dr Lim set up Australia’s first integrated ketamine program for veterans, known as the ReVive Ketamine Program. Starting in February 2023, this program will become the subject of an ethics-approved clinical study into the long-term effectiveness and safety of ketamine for treatment-resistant depression and treatment-resistant PTSD.

    Dr Lim joined me today to discuss some of the mental health challenges faced by our veteran community and to shed light on some emerging treatments that could aid them on their path to wellness.

    Some of the topics we covered are:

    • Dr Lim’s entry into psychiatry and veteran mental health
    • The current state of veteran mental health support
    • Difference between civilian and military/emergency services stressors
    • Understanding the impact of stress, trauma, and PTSD
    • Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder as a multi-system dysfunction
    • Total and Permanent Impairment and associated challenges
    • Moral injury and what causes it
    • How stress affects our physiology, decision-making ability, and ethical frameworks
    • The need to indoctrinate appropriate ethical frameworks as early as possible
    • Importance of developing trust between the patient and their clinician
    • Treating suicidality
    • Drop-out rates in traditional psychotherapy treatment
    • Why medications are not the ‘silver bullet’ for mental health concerns
    • Synaptic Disconnection Syndrome and the effect of PTSD on the structure of the brain
    • The issue of treatment-resistant illness and the promise of ketamine
    • Preliminary findings and prospects of ketamine for treatment-resistant illness
    • How to access the ketamine program for those with treatment-resistant illness

    As mentioned in the introduction, you can find Australian Defence Force personnel suicide statistics here.


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